Want to build a P2P anonymous image board?

No

Just the reality of how fucking easily they can plant CP on someone's computer combined with the fact that Goldman Sachs is known to run the white slavery rings that kidnap children makes this a serious problem for anyone trying to have anonymity.

no, according to the knowledge bomb faggot the "UN army" will invade UK which will prompt the dissolution of the UK

get your shit straight bro

Use a blockchain.
I don't who would have the power to protect it though from a 50% attack. This would be perfect.

Using a blockchain is an excellent idea!

I suppose alternatively, we could launch our own satellites to create a new global internet.

you are all retarded, sometimes i wonder why am i even coming back here at night.
when this board gets 90% american its median iq is lower than in my local friendly homeless shelter

Holy fuck look at all this shilling.

Tons of anons shitting on the idea of a DRCENTRALIZED image board.

Really makes you think.

Just do a textboard, as a bonus it keeps the normies out

good idea

let's start

Wait, how come I have never heard of Goldman Sachs kidnapping children? Am I that new?

John Kerry of all people headed an investigation that established that the really big criminals (terrorists, cartels, etc) rely on the really big banks in such a way that the banks must know all about it and could stop them but do not. Kerry released a mumbly report and called it a day. What a guy. Look up "BCCI terrorists."

most of the legit tor imageboards had staff

tor or not CP spam has been an imageboard classic since Cred Forums started kek
2deep4u telnet textboard I like

What would be the best name for this board?

Be honest here, how much confort are you willing to lose to use a service like the one the OP suggested?

Lets say someone does make one and adds public key encryption but the UI is rather shitty or the GUI lacks.

Would you still use it?

>zchan
>kekchan
pick one, no charge

just include me in the screenshot

What a fucking retarded question.

We will simply make an excellent UI from the start.

Rule 1: No leaf posters allowed

>Why don't we build P2P anonymous image board?

doesn't sound secure enough to warrant the title of "Anonymous".

>rule 2: no niggers
all posters must subject themselves to melanic identification and if found outside of the accepted range they are barred from entry

n n t p
c h a n
+ tor

I must say I have zero CS knowledge, but how is it impossible? Just have every post bounce around the network of peers a couple of times while stipping the original sender info before it's added to the chain or the table or whatever it's called. This way you never know whether it was actually posted by the guy that or if he was just passing someone's post.

What I meant by anonymous was that you can't register a username/account (no tripfagging).

But I see why there is confusion over this.

Hiding your IP if you so desire will still remain the responsibility of the user.

If "they" join the network with sufficient resources (which they have), they can become the peers you connect with without you knowing.

your IP is an identifier and insanely easy to get with p2p because the other people need to know where to send shit to so you get it. the only reason Cred Forums is "anonymous" is because your IP is hidden from the general public. it'd have to be revealed through p2p.

i already mentioned the only good p2p imageboard. don't get caught up with new flashy shit like zeronet.

P2P and anonymous are mutually exclusive.

Nope.
Either the system is free or its locked into a Rollercoaster of censorship and backlash till it dies.

instead of captcha, we solve rubric cube. much good.

P2p didnt work for elite dangerous.

I know not even the same thing but cant let the leaf have all the shitty posting.

This already basically exists. See freenet message boards. There are/were even some tor sites that replicate imageboards (they were all super dead last time I looked years ago). Like deader than 7chan dead.

The reality is you're never going to get most people to use an imageboard that requires a piece of software running on their computers.

Is it just me or is there an increase in lain posting?

Well actually you could tunnel the P2P network connection over Tor.

I suggest you go back to writing Visual Basic scripts for pooinloo dollar store bookkeeping. You seem to be way out of your depth here.

>Use p2p imageboard
>Say Trump has micropenis
>Some fucker gets your IP and plants 100gb of CP on your computer while you're sleeping
>You wake up being raided by the feds
>Spend the rest of your life in a cell with Sargon

No thanks

Unless they substitute the entire network with their machines and run a modified version of the protocol they still shouldn't be able to tell if it's actually me that made a given post, asumming every peer is connected to all others. And you can mix in some random additive to the post time to twart the transmission time analysis.

Do you really expect NEETs to pay to post?

i was dumbing it down as i saw necessary

note how i recommended tor earlier?

>Tor
>not i2p or freenet
Stupid pleb leaf. Also p2p over tor sucks/is non existent.

I actually had the same idea today.
Turns out, it's already done on ZeroNet - github.com/Nullchan/nullchan

I have no idea how anonymous it is, but I think it supports Tor.

It would be simple to create a web browser client.

Oh niiiice. Okay, I'm going to check this out.

Awesome.

Other than simple embedded microcontroller stuff I have no idea where to start from a coding standpoint. Could make it an alt-coin to attach to the system to make it potentially worth mining to secure the system. I never share many ideas, but two positive reactions is good. It very well could work.

It's not really as simple as it seems.

For starters the data needs to be retained somewhere, so enough people need to be permanently running a desktop client. If you have massive shifts in the number of users connected to the network then you could lose data for threads that are still alive.

Also it's very difficult to build an efficient, good, web-based peer to peer application. I certainly haven't seen one.

Really the best way to handle it would to have people run public facing tunnels to the network. I know people did this for i2p sites. But if too large of a percentage of people are running through the public facing proxies it will cause issues of its own, including insufficient storage and computational resources to handle the traffic.

Really someone should just make a freenet site, that would be the easiest way to handle this. Anyone who wants to post can install the client on their computer and support free speech.

kys pedo

I think you should share your ideas more often.

look up einchan or sshchan

These are all super ideas. I've much faith in the hivemind and ai. If Cred Forums we're to become p2p for the boards and stuff, we could each have our own AI contributing, monitoring, and securing Newchan.

We have been working against this website and its easily led denizens for months now.

Soon Cred Forums will be shut down, and so will a large plethora of white nationalist and white supremacy websites. We are watching you. We will find any new websites or dens of iniquity that are the common lurking grounds of the knuckle dragging ethno-nationalist. The twilight era of the West and its civilisation is soon to begin.

Your frog god will fade into obscurity and you will be able to reminisce about this from behind prison bars when our intelligence agencies locate and distribute all of your locations so that you may be rounded up and imprisoned when civil unrest starts - now marked as a symbol of evil and hate, your Pepe pictures will mark you out as a pariah.

Trump will lose the presidency, and you, unable to move on and accept the changing nature of our world will be left to rot like the vile, hateful and soulless beings that you all are.

Moloch and his adherents will free the people of colour from the imperialist yoke, and cast down the false god of the Christians.

You will be ostracised from your communities and hopefully so will anyone who disseminates or practices you outdated and exclusive ideologies.

Face it - Moloch has won, our leaders will keep spreading propaganda on all forms of media. Immigration will continue unchecked into the west and all forms of racial supremacy will fade into the history books.

The Horrid King Besmear'd in Blood has won. You will stare truth and revelation in the face Cred Forums. Your time is over, now is the time of MOLOCH.

Don't forget they also have ISP tap boxes that can tap every byte from/to your house. That combined with the info from the peers they operate gets it done easily.

I'm going to dig in my heels here a bit. What about the blockchain as I have mentioned? It might be a strain with the size of images. But not every pepe has to be nearly 3MB. Constrain formats to hash rate providers or something. Blockchain tech is pretty game changing. Check out Ethereum! I don't see why an image board won't work on a Blockchain

Bobbies aren't allowed to post here. Go back to dealing with all of the drunk fights you blokes have.

>distributed fucking image board too difficult to make
>posting from small machine that allows you to communicate with others across the planet at light speed

You're fucking retarded, get out of my thread faggot.

I never said it was impossible, I said it wasn't "simple." As says blockchains may be a good way to do this. Making a peer-to-peer imageboard with a good web-based client is certainly not "simple". If it was simple someone would have done it.

Aren't there a couple projects like this already?

Anyways, you would need a TONNE of help from /gd/ to not make this look utterly shite and a sort of internal currency to control upload sizes.

There are services being developed out that where you can screen these sorts of images, unfortunately they are cloud based and owned by the larger, more liberal companies so no doubt a lot of other types of images are banned.

But it means it is possible to build a database of image "Signatures" where you could have a system proactively screen, with mods adding to it daily as more images are produced\modified.

Such grand intoxicating naivete. How could you be so foolish?

As evidenced by several posts in this thread, several people have created a number of different ones.

Difficulty is relative you Windows motherfucking dot net programmer pleb.

Are you guys so underage that you haven't heard of Usenet?

Fuck off you cunt. I've got a bike wheel and a sharpened stick. I'm better armed than 90% of your force.
Point out one that has a "good web based client" and can handle the amount of traffic Cred Forums gets. Hint: None of them can.

If you think Usenet is P2P / decentralized, you might want to go and get paternity tests on all your kids, cuckleberry hound.

Also I've literally never programmed in a dot net language. Only C/C++/Haskell/Lisp/Python

>I suppose alternatively, we could launch our own satellites to create a new global internet.

Big problem with that, we would need one hell of a sponsor, sending satellites into space is a multi-million dollar affair.

You would have more luck developing and producing an open source long range P2P wireless device that distributes traffic via privately own nodes. The problem with that would be the reliance of many people within your area owning a node, and inter-country connections.
The other is "Bad Nodes" which could snoop on your traffic, technically you could develop how it communicates with each node to be anonymous some how... but the processing power and memory required would make it more expensive.

Not saying it was simple. A web based client isn't really necessary but would be nice. I'm just pointing out a logical monumental next step in a long going cat and mouse game. It works for Bitcoin. I guess the success would be in a cryptocurrency to attach the service to. Out of my hands, but I don't have to be able to do it, to think it's a good idea! Who the fuck knows?

OP wants peer-to-peer. Once a thing is posted it's there forever.
Why re-invent the wheel? There is Freenet.

>p2p
>HURR USE A BLOCKCHAIN!
baka

it's called NNTPchan. Google it.

>I know there are a lot of other CS and eng fags on here.

CS fag here

Not right now. You really don't want a decentralized Chan right now because feds will do exactly what they did with Tor - plant their own nodes into the network and sniff potentially every single bit of traffic. It is encrypted, sure, but they can see your IP for participating in it. The data and decrypting it or not in that case is irrelevant.

Don't do it. Wait for quantum PCs to become commercially available.

The only other way to do that is to spread a massive botnet that participates in the network and creates an insane volume of voice, rendering any attempts of sniffing useless.

Like you even have a clue! Lets hear it...

Usenet is decentralized you underage faggot.

I was talking to the leaf who was implying it was simple. Your suggestions are reasonable.

How exactly does quantum encryption help in this case?

>volume of voice

wew

volume of noise*

they will raid us with child porn text draws

I think a Tox group chat is the closest we can get to a secure decentralized board. I set one up earlier, but technical difficulties means most people couldn't keep using it. I'm working on a fix (second bot to re-invite the group bot), but that's easily a week or two out

You can download a Tox client (I recommend qTox, get the standalone on GitHub), and send "invite" to ED2C22ED0AFD2F97A5AADA531DB7BD0D2DF87858D4CC3801FC9079DE2BBBBA7766C26F59919C

Then it's fucked from the start.

If you want CP kill yourself and fuck you. I'd turn you over so fast it would make your head spin.

That kind of shit must be moderatable or the whole thing is dead in the water before it starts.

Wait you mean quantum encryption to prevent interception and timing attacks, correct? Most timing attacks aren't terribly practical and can be made less practical by adding random latency at nodes.

And quantum encryption doesn't protect you from hostile nodes any more than current systems.

/Guessing sarcasm.
Thanks for playing, regardless that it is a good idea, just not as likely. Maybe what we would have to resort to a bit later.

p2p and anonymous are two things that are very hard to mix. Building a p2p setup requires users to communicate with each other. Some of the smartest people on the planet try to make p2p and anonymous work together and it always falls apart.

You end up with everyone having to host several gigabytes of encrypted shit they cant even see slow ass transfer rates and files constantly dropping out of the network (while terabytes of shit no one even links to anymore remains) it just turns into absolute shit.

Even shit like tor is not really p2p, somewhere there is a server, its just the network between you and the server is run in a p2p fission.

Now doing a decentralized or minimally centralized p2p Chan site would be possible to do well but your users would be able to see one another's IP so you would be sacrificing your privacy. This wont work well being completely headless (without a server at all (unless you wanted to run it off a custom browser)) but even with a server if it where to only host the text and thumbnails and any added content where hosted p2p fashion it could greatly increase the speed of a site and reduce the cost to run it.

See link related for some very relevant tech. Been wanting to start a youtube alternative based off it.

webtorrent.io/

>Usenet
Cut my internet teeth on that in the 90s. Good times. Seems like yesterday.

Too reserved. Thank you though, I will try!

Oh yeah, they do have ISP tap boxes.

you could disallow images that don't hash to something on kym or I don't know, 9gag or something.
It'd kill OC though. But the patient is dead anyway.

I'm CS too
>and sniff potentially every single bit of traffic
the odds of that happening are pretty low, assuming people running clients are operating full nodes
>Wait for quantum PCs to become commercially available
That isn't going to happen for a while, and even then, the machines we have will be a lot slower than the NSA cracking machine. Do it now before the odds that the NSA is using it gets any higher
>The only other way to do that is to spread a massive botnet that participates in the network and creates an insane volume of voice, rendering any attempts of sniffing useless
That's a good idea, but I think finding errors like Heartbleed and other buffer overflow/underflow errors is A LOT more likely than them actually sniffing traffic and decrypting it manually (unless the government already has insane quantum computing power).

can you not use tor through a vpn tunnel?
if YES:
>build mobile app that scrapes free vpn lists, pick 1 to use, then opens tor before making web requests.

I2p and freenet are successful examples of combining p2p and anonymous. Freenet in particular is inherently decentralized file storage while i2p allows peer to peer applications to run under it.

As you are saying, the issue with these kinds of services is speed. If you had every user on Cred Forums running the freenet client 24/7 then speed would probably improve considerably. The issue is this would never happen and the network would have to deal with a bunch of bullshit like users frequently joining and leaving.

Both freenet and i2p are a lot faster than tor though. i2p is (or was for a time, haven't used it in ages) practical for p2p file transfer.

to add to the last point, sniffing packets becomes insanely easy once you have the private key, and Heartbleed sends 64K of RAM junk over the internet. One solution is storing the key in parts across physical RAM and assembling it briefly and safely (single threaded)

A technology used to secure communications for $500 Alex!

In that hypothetical scenario they'll know the contents because they're also the peers I'm talking to.

I had a similar idea, but have multiple smaller networks (one per major city) and transfer data over smartphones operating as hidden hotspots for each other

poo poo pee fuckwit! the fires from the millions of nigger sjw corpses will keep us warm for alll eternity!

>t.ctrbot9000

> anonymous
This will make everything incredibly cumbersome which will lead to a chan that only has three people posting. Two of which will just spam cp. Drop the anonymous nonsense then you have a real shot of making a decentralized chan that people will actually use. Those who need the privacy can tunnel their connections via vpn/tor/9000 proxies.

Good point but there is no way to tell who is saying what if everything is created properly. This would be a potential hurdle but done right it would only be attackable as a whole.

The idea has come up. Use Ethereum and build a dApp for image posting, use IPFS as in the backend and possibly Golem for other things. Build it all on Github so anyone can fork it when need be.

Wow, I was thinking of a Usenet type of solution to OPs question and boom, some even smarter person has already made it.

LET'S ALL LOVE LAIN

I agree

With the best kinds of privacy networks every user is both a client and a server. So when you send a packet of data it gets routed through many different clients wrapped in many layers of encryption (like an onion, which is where tor comes from). So unless they control literally every single node your tunneling through and control the recipient they can't tell the contents.

Unlike tor services like i2p create plausible deniability by having every single user route other users' packets. So even if they eventually trace the packet that came from your computer they don't know that you were the original sender. Well-designed networks will make it so that the number of times you tunnel varies to protect them from deducing this. So timing attacks and attributing a packet to its original sender become extremely difficult if and impractical.

So in your opinion is my idea feasible? A altcoin based anonymous image board? No credit, just someone do it, as it is way beyond my skillset.

i2p and freenet are shit.

Freenet requires you to host everyone elses CP and you don't even get to look at it. Files are constantly disappearing and many terabytes (perhaps even petabytes) of unneeded data is stored in the network and extremely hard to remove. It is a technical success and an a practical failure.

i2p is not decentralized you cannot host a Chan site from it without a server (much like tor). It is not p2p only the anonymizing network fabric is p2p, the actual services use traditional client server architecture. You can run p2p (like torrents) via i2p but your going to have a hell of a time running a Chan site off such technology. When someone replies to me I want to be able to see the reply in seconds and not have to wait for the change to prorate through everyone copy of the website and see the reply hours later. It also has a bunch of overhead, hosting a site the scale of Cred Forums from it would be extremely difficult and even more costly than hosting it on the clearnet.

This is anonymous but not decentralized, it requires a server and is even more costly to run at scale than a clear net website.

We should just go for a decentralized board. No user/encryption stuff because that makes it slow as hell and creates a false feeling of anonimity.

Bittorrent is a good example that works, is fast, and has not been shut down (only the centralized parts of it).

Just have mods who are literally only there to prevent that shit. I mean, the mods here are retarded but it isn't that bad. They haven't turned into any kind of dictorial ass holes or anything, albeit the cherry-picked outliers.

(((hidden)))

hiromoot sells it to the highest bidder.

And here I thought I had an original thought, lol. Make it happen folks! I'll invest what I can if it ever hits the exchanges.

Oh shit, Ethereum is already is it not?

Got some people to contact....

I used to fap to nude Lain at the ed credits.

Lain is not for sexual.

Lain is for head pats.

You're correct that i2p doesn't add anything except anonymity over the clearnet in terms of p2p. I don't think it's as slow as you think for udp tunneling and it would only get faster if every Cred Forums user used it. Most of the problems you mention are due to low usership numbers. I do agree that it wouldn't be an ideal service to use for this idea.

>Freenet requires you to host everyone elses CP and you don't even get to look at it.
That's the point. The files are stored encrypted for a very good reason, you're not supposed to know or be liable for would you're hosting.

>Files are constantly disappearing and many terabytes (perhaps even petabytes) of unneeded data is stored in the network and extremely hard to remove.

Files disappear from freenet for a reason. Frequently accessed files do not disappear. If freenet was used to host a popular imageboard service the files would easily stay up until the thread dies.

*for what you're hosting

It takes 10 minutes for a transaction to be added to a public ledger. Do you really want to wait ten minutes to get your (you)'s? Also the bitcoin block chain is 84 gb, this has all the data from the start. And it costs millions of dollars in computing resources to keep it current and add transactions to it. Block chains used in cripto currencies are a very good way to share information in a secure way to make sure all the information is valid and has not been tampered with without needing to trust anyone in the network. They would be a very very bad way to run a service like an image board.

For reference active content on Cred Forums right now is 724 GB.

i want to fondle lain

no one that I know of is actually do it, but the idea has come up. I work in the Ethereum world...stuff like this is exactly what it was made for. I just laid out exactly what you would have to do. IPFS is functioning right now, you can build a dApp that will run on Ethereum right now...someone just has to make it. I don't have time.

Isn't there something similar already? 0chan running on zeronet?

And I forgot to mention, the worst part is it requires special software that is often difficult and confusing for plebs to use.

I agree, that's the biggest barrier to something like this happening. Others in this thread have been acting like it's easy to make a peer to peer network with a good web-based client.

I want to hug Lain.

Why is that difficult? Just make a program running on localhost that you connect to with your standard browser.