What all UK cigarette packaging will look like by May 2017

Jordan Hughes
Jordan Hughes

Good? Bad? Will this actually deter people from smoking?

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youtube.com/watch?v=ELV5HV6-koI
livescience.com/15115-5-health-benefits-smoking-disease.html
foodwatch.com.au/blog/energy-boosters/item/eating-for-exams-what-to-eat-to-boost-concentration-and-memory.html
news.health.com/2014/07/21/10-foods-that-boost-concentration/
health.com/health/gallery/0,,20434658,00.html
law.cornell.edu/constitution/tenth_amendment
youtube.com/watch?v=ZYlaDdQDsb0
youtube.com/watch?v=TRL7o2kPqw0
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2509609/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning
citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.318.1611&rep=rep1&type=pdf
ecigarette-politics.com/blog/nicotine-high-toxicity-myth-destroyed.html
smartypantsvitamins.com/the-overdose-risks-of-vitamins-why-proper-dosage-matters/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880486/
skadden.com/professionals/bernd-r-mayer
sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1612432/000104746914007932/a2221414zf-1.htm

Isaiah Sanders
Isaiah Sanders

it wont deter a single person

Brayden Brooks
Brayden Brooks

It worked in Australia.

Henry Torres
Henry Torres

Go read Jacob Sullum's book For Your Own Good.

Ayden Kelly
Ayden Kelly

Same shit in canada and smokers still smoke.
Does nothing but make libreals feel good.
Might as well ban drugs.

Chase Jenkins
Chase Jenkins

authoritarian bullshit

fuck off nanny-stater

Leo Roberts
Leo Roberts

My mother just bought a plain case and transfers her cigs to it. We've had those gory packs for a while

Blake Davis
Blake Davis

unironically using the authoritarian meme
Holy shit go back to reeddit leftycuck

John Wood
John Wood

That's really clever, actually. Props to Leaf Mom sticking it to the authoritarian liberals.

Levi Jackson
Levi Jackson

This is so effeminate. If the state wants is to quit so much it should just ban them

Thomas Scott
Thomas Scott

it worked in Brazil too

Juan Nelson
Juan Nelson

leftycuck! leftist!
no, you're the one supporting leftist policies.

le authoritarian meme
says the nanny state faggot

Eli Walker
Eli Walker

It surprisingly works. Since this packaging has been introduced the conversations I've heard about smoking are not as positive as they once were. The branding was a symbol that people could associate positively with, share stories and compare. People aren't as picky about branding anymore and the dollar value has become the driving motivator for purchasing.

Then again it could also be our government's absolute destruction of these products through taxes.

Brandon Taylor
Brandon Taylor

Why don't you go fuck one of your butt ugly aboriginals you eucalyptus chewing wank

Colton Collins
Colton Collins

It worked in Australia.
I'm betting this is one of those ironic Australian shitposts I hear so much about.

Jacob Peterson
Jacob Peterson

I'd like a pack of deadman on a slab please

Daniel Bailey
Daniel Bailey

Lmao irl

Carson Johnson
Carson Johnson

No it didn't cunt

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

but honestly, are cigarettes THAT bad? I seriously enjoy them and this kinda makes me think

Nolan Anderson
Nolan Anderson

I really don't understand why everyone has decided to lose their shit over smoking, but somehow drinking is cool... Also, why do half the people I know that want to ban smoking tobacco simultaneously demand that smoking weed is made legal.

People are weird..

Christopher Brooks
Christopher Brooks

The packages look cool as fuck. Almost like collectables.

If they want to stop people smoking... just make them even more expensive. That's the main reason why people quit anyway.

Samuel Wilson
Samuel Wilson

How many hours of molymeme do you watch nigger?

Go prep your mexican bull faggot

Thomas Reed
Thomas Reed

I promised my late mother practically every day during my childhood that I'd never smoke a single cigarette throughout my entire life. That packaging would make me an instant chainsmoker out of pure spite.

Ian Ramirez
Ian Ramirez

Seems like a great business opportunity for cigarette case makers.

Caleb Murphy
Caleb Murphy

in brazil smokers jokingly say while buying their packs: "any will do except for the erectile disfuction one"

Gabriel Powell
Gabriel Powell

Im to desensitized for that to affect me

Thanks Bestgore and liveleak

Matthew Parker
Matthew Parker

I thought this fucking bullshit was only in Canada we're so alike! We are much whiter tho.

Jace Kelly
Jace Kelly

Why don't they use similar imagery with guns in America?

Noah Mitchell
Noah Mitchell

Kek

Hudson Flores
Hudson Flores

cigarette case 10/10 for panache. makes me want to start smoking again

Jordan Nguyen
Jordan Nguyen

Guns don't cause lung cancer.

William Green
William Green

I used to be a smoker but you get over it eventually. Waste of money, waste of life.

Just weigh the pros and cons. Well, there is really only one "pro" -- ~~feels good~~ and even that is because you're soothing a con (addiction) from occuring.

Liam Lewis
Liam Lewis

molymeme
probably 1-2 tops

2016
being a pussywhipped nanny state authoritarian
kek

Caleb Parker
Caleb Parker

Here's an idea, sell cigarette tins or cases.
Put them in a variety of colors or for an increased price let it be custom made.
You could make a killing!

Austin Morales
Austin Morales

Will this actually deter people from smoking?
It's helped a bit. We should add similar to booze and fast food.

Would you breathe in anything else which isn't air?

We do that too. It kinda makes things worse for some, but stops others.

Christian Ramirez
Christian Ramirez

Reminds me of the bill hicks joke about not buying cigarettes with the lung cancer warning and instead getting low birth weight lol

Carter Martinez
Carter Martinez

No it didn't, taxing it to hell did, fucking nazis. I don't even smoke ciggies, just stop hiking my cigars up.

Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

Stopping the tabbaco jews is le nanny state
eww kike stop talking to me!

Easton Torres
Easton Torres

useless. Any non retard has already stop smoking.

Michael Howard
Michael Howard

studies have shown that they aren't that bad up until you hit your 40s. once people hit middle age, their bodies can't heal as well and the nasty shit in the smoke really fucks you up. people who smoke into their 50s and 60s are basically guaranteed to have some kind of smoking related health problem (hypertension, heart disease, lung disease, etc) and that shit causes a crazy burden on the healthcare system

they do make your skin age horribly, though. it's a bad habit.

Joshua Turner
Joshua Turner

brand new mossberg arrives in a case with picture of nigger blasted in the face from it on top of the case.
That'll work

Oliver Sanchez
Oliver Sanchez

just stop hiking my cigars up.
If you're not willing to pay for a luxury item, you mustn't really want it. Besides, it's only like $250 for a box of good Cubans. Though that might go up with them being legal in America soon.

Juan Morris
Juan Morris

That's great until you get a person with a gore fetish.

Jaxson Hughes
Jaxson Hughes

Why does it show a vagina in the top left

Ethan Mitchell
Ethan Mitchell

worked

The constant tax increase sure is. Many of my mates are considering quitting simply because they can't afford it.

Jaxson Rodriguez
Jaxson Rodriguez

Well, maybe compared to pic related it might.
hey we'll give ya free shit

Gavin Parker
Gavin Parker

All cigarette users should be gassed.

Asher Cruz
Asher Cruz

Oops

Jace Mitchell
Jace Mitchell

Rich people didn't get rich by paying for over priced shit.

Tyler Barnes
Tyler Barnes

Seems pretty fucking silly.

Imagine if every new car sold had a paint job of people involved in terrible car accidents, so we were all driving a portable version of ogrish.

Brody Roberts
Brody Roberts

Dude! Those are fucking awesome! Collectable cigarette cards are back!
Sweet!

Christian Lopez
Christian Lopez

In Australia people were selling cases for cigarette packs to cover those pictures. Pretty sure the government banned them.

Carter Sanders
Carter Sanders

They've looked like that in Canada for as long as I can remember. I'm 24.

Nicholas Green
Nicholas Green

Why even fucking bother with that dumb shit? If you want people to stop smoking either outlaw it or fucking leave smokers alone. It's getting retarded.

Tyler Brooks
Tyler Brooks

thats not even close to what a vagina looks like

Robert Ramirez
Robert Ramirez

hates authoritarianism

sucks Trump cock

Wew.

Justin Jones
Justin Jones

Have the same here.
Must be a new EU law or whatever

Alexander Sanders
Alexander Sanders

I have some bad news for you son

Noah Fisher
Noah Fisher

And there we agree.

They won't. They'll just bitch as it's raised to $40/pack.

Yea, most smokers i know have a nice cigarette case. But the point is just stop someone at the servo or grocery store saying, "gee, that looks appealing. I might give them a shot", at which point the (((industry))) has them.

You should tell that to the 1930s in regards to alcohol.

Charles Reyes
Charles Reyes

No it didn't.
If you're not wealthy, you're not supposed to have shit like that.
just like you shouldn't have nice brand watches, or sports cars.

It looks extremely tacky, and wasteful to see working class people spending all of their money on a car or watch when they should be saving so they can invest and actually afford things like that.

Evan Moore
Evan Moore

mexico has these saw it when I went to Cabo san lucas

Joshua Harris
Joshua Harris

Where are you from? They have huge warnings but still in bright colors.

Noah Fisher
Noah Fisher

Been there done that

Jacob Collins
Jacob Collins

sales of these will probably go up.

i suppose on ban on them is next.

Evan Price
Evan Price

Smoking is degenerate, but people should be allowed to destroy themselves if they choose to.

Matthew Watson
Matthew Watson

Tobacco companies will now have a new stream of income selling LUXURY(TM) PREMIUM(TM) metal cigarette cases.

Jason Gutierrez
Jason Gutierrez

People aren't going to drop their smoking addiction because of the carton either way. It's mostly a deterrent to stop people from starting in the first place.

Alexander Lewis
Alexander Lewis

If only

Lincoln Young
Lincoln Young

Which side are you on Aussie? Degenerate smoker side or jew liberal government side?

Daniel Reyes
Daniel Reyes

all that gore
penis obscured by thumb

Jaxson Russell
Jaxson Russell

Fitness is key to a happy lifestyle.

I just started smoking again and my runtime has already increased after 2 weeks.

Aaron Jenkins
Aaron Jenkins

You realize fedoras came back that same way right? Youll think you have panache, but youll be a baby-faced pube stached little bitch and itll become instantly uncool.

Brody Hall
Brody Hall

It's pretty much like that now over there, 2/3 of one side of the pack is a picture like that.

Robert Richardson
Robert Richardson

It's not that expensive, I have a monthly cigar that costs $20-40.

Leo Nguyen
Leo Nguyen

this only lasted a few months, people get used to the packaging pretty quick and wont care for the most part.

Eli Watson
Eli Watson

So it happened, hey?

youtube.com/watch?v=ELV5HV6-koI

Noah Long
Noah Long

bans plastic boxes
what will they bin their knives in then?

David Hernandez
David Hernandez

I didn't notice the colors. I'm from BC. I thought the pictures of dead people were more important.

Carson Adams
Carson Adams

Weed is less harmful than tobacco. Not kidding.

Oliver Rivera
Oliver Rivera

Neither. Unlike your politics, most things have more than two sides.

Joseph Edwards
Joseph Edwards

Right there

Jacob Morgan
Jacob Morgan

If we put heavy metal band names on the pictures, perhaps sales will improve. And they'll stop putting gore images on the cig boxes.

Jeremiah Hall
Jeremiah Hall

they'd sell more though

Jack Reyes
Jack Reyes

Yes, as long as it doesn't impact on others. Which smoking does (even ignoring smoking in public), at least in places with socialised healthcare.
But then, so does sugar.

Leo Fisher
Leo Fisher

i like this. smokers are >literally gassing themselves

Zachary Watson
Zachary Watson

Actually, that would probably help with sales.
People would see that and go "Damn, this thing really serves it purpose!"

Henry Davis
Henry Davis

brb going for a smoke

Ryder Morris
Ryder Morris

Stop selfishly leaving the house, cunt. You might get injured.

Tyler Green
Tyler Green

Also they have to cover up the displays of cigerettes on the shelves.

Logan Garcia
Logan Garcia

On what? Physical health? Yup.

Mental health and general energy and ambition of the human spirit? Nope.

Luis Watson
Luis Watson

Do you also go in public smelling like you usually do, you unbathed smoke-addict?
You reek

Jordan Diaz
Jordan Diaz

FUCK YEAH!

OLD MATE BRIAN!

Eye cancer is my favourite one though.

Anthony Ramirez
Anthony Ramirez

Been to thailand. They dont give a fuck.

Justin Johnson
Justin Johnson

When i leave the house for work, shopping, or recreation, I'm benefiting the economy in such a way to offset the risk of piano falling on my head. Smoking is of zero benefit to anyone. Well, almost (((anyone))).

Tyler Bell
Tyler Bell

The ideal Jewish complexion.

Henry Hill
Henry Hill

Fuck off you neo-traditionalist little bitch.

Sebastian Scott
Sebastian Scott

Smoking is of zero benefit to anyone
untrue. It reduces certain health risks, treats anxiety and improves memory, concentration, and mood.

Adam Ortiz
Adam Ortiz

it really depends on the delivery method and how it's been prepared. If it's ingested, it's pretty much harmless, or rather no more harmful than the item it's contained in. Smoking it still puts fine particulate and ash into your lungs, there's really not any "safe" level of this kind of exposure. Where tobacco and marijuana start getting really dangerous is in the addition of chemical preservatives and flavorings, these are the things that really get into your pulmonary vascular system and start reeking havoc....but marijuana is rarely treated in this manner, which I suppose is an argument for its relative safety...never fear, with as much as marijuana is worth, it won't be long until some large company starts doing it though...

Xavier Flores
Xavier Flores

Seems like a great business opportunity for cigarette case makers.
People said that in Canada and Australia and for about 4 weeks they sold a few.

Henry Cook
Henry Cook

newfag

Kayden Watson
Kayden Watson

Memeing aside, I actually think along these lines when I come to a stop sign.

Disdain for the state has entered every aspect of my life.

Matthew Jackson
Matthew Jackson

It reduces certain health risks,
False. And still wouldn't be worth the ailments it inflicts.
treats anxiety and improves memory, concentration, and mood.
Far better things out there for that. Namely, diet.

Hudson Butler
Hudson Butler

Saw the pic first thinking it would be about Australia

Daniel Williams
Daniel Williams

We make it look like awesome band art, they can't actually attack the actual bands because the images are sourced from absolutely nobody. If the pictures get popular enough (in an appreciated way), they won't be able to use gore as an effective deterrent.

Jeremiah White
Jeremiah White

You've made a powerful enemy today, sign.

Chase Hughes
Chase Hughes

The only reason for a government to want people to stop smoking is spending less ca$h on welfare/public healthcare (in countries where this is a thing).

So instead of taxing the shit out of smokers and forcing these shitty (but nicely collectible) covers on cig boxes, they should outright give people an option to either quit smoking or keep their cancer/emphysema/bronchitis health coverage. Want to smoke? Sure, we just won't cover you if you get super ill from it, because it's about money anyway.

BTW I smoke a couple cigs a year, never had any lung issues.

Carson Clark
Carson Clark

False. And still wouldn't be worth the ailments it inflicts.
nope, you're wrong.
livescience.com/15115-5-health-benefits-smoking-disease.html

Far better things out there for that. Namely, diet.
That's changing the goalposts. My point is, smoking DOES benefit people in many ways, directly contrary to what you just claimed.

diet
far better at improving memory and concentration than nicotine
source? I don't believe it for one second.

Ryan Anderson
Ryan Anderson

Top meme, my friend.

Ian Morgan
Ian Morgan

What's the big deal? They don't even allow Swedish snus! Even Canuckistan here allows snus.

Thomas Wright
Thomas Wright

my nigga

Julian Wright
Julian Wright

Smoking is cancerous behavior and not just figuratively. Smoking is pure degeneracy.

Christian Barnes
Christian Barnes

couple a year
same health risks as daily smoker

Fucking beaner intellectual

Dominic Watson
Dominic Watson

Why do leftists hate tobacco so much? Ah, It's an estrogen suppressant.

Caleb King
Caleb King

livescience.com/15115-5-health-benefits-smoking-disease.html
Did you actually read the link? It says that smokers have better joints because they're less likely to exercise. Not a boon. And that smokers are thinner (very circumstantial) because they already have one addiction, and don't rely on food. And that cardiac health is improved because you're more likely to have a heart attack, and thus be monitored.
That's changing the goalposts.
Not really. It's just another way to treat those things.
source?
First of all, source on nicotine being great at improving memory and concentration.
foodwatch.com.au/blog/energy-boosters/item/eating-for-exams-what-to-eat-to-boost-concentration-and-memory.html
news.health.com/2014/07/21/10-foods-that-boost-concentration/
health.com/health/gallery/0,,20434658,00.html
Also, nootropics are better and safer than nicotine, with none of the detriments.

Forgot to follow the link in the last thread, but someone pointed out how it only suppresses estrogen in women, which is why smokers often have erectile problems.

Landon Phillips
Landon Phillips

Check the mexican cigarettes boxes some are worst that this

Nathaniel Butler
Nathaniel Butler

Yea, most smokers i know have a nice cigarette case. But the point is just stop someone at the servo or grocery store saying, "gee, that looks appealing. I might give them a shot", at which point the (((industry))) has them.

No one ever starts smoking because of the damn packaging.

Cooper Walker
Cooper Walker

they can't actually attack the actual bands
It's not like the bands would be able to advertise like that, though. So they'd only get popular with the people to whom they're already popular.

Brandon Johnson
Brandon Johnson

no it didn't nor did raising the tax on them
according to their own figures they are counting on smoking increasing

Ayden Taylor
Ayden Taylor

usa
cannot into non-binary thought

Michael Nelson
Michael Nelson

No it fucking won't - the only deterrent is jacking up the prices, and even then people began to roll their cigs years ago, as it's much less expensive than buying cigs. Hell it's very common among youngsters especially because of how cheaper it is to just make your own cigs.

Easton Allen
Easton Allen

Trust me, there are plenty of big names that cross into the "We can have gorey band art for this album" that have a big enough fan base.

Hell, turning the gore into memes. The idea is to just throw the leftists off their game. If we can spin it into something that will increase the sales of tobacco, we'll literally be forcing the hand of the anti-tobacco twats.

Oliver Murphy
Oliver Murphy

treats anxiety and improves memory, concentration, and mood

Literally curbs withdrawal symptoms

Jackson Cox
Jackson Cox

literally Dave Hughes

Adam Russell
Adam Russell

No, but it is a bit of a deterrent. Plus it's a big "fuck off" to those (((corporations))).

Yes, but again, unless someone is already a fan of whomever is enough of an edgelord to have that as an album cover, it won't be seen because you can't have it on display.
Maybe find a more productive way to get at leftists?

Liam Robinson
Liam Robinson

Trash.

law.cornell.edu/constitution/tenth_amendment

I am starting to hope Trump loses so we can have a civil war and we can wipe this nation clear of this filth.

Lucas Reyes
Lucas Reyes

And they have "accomplished" nothing. I am quoting that word because a nanny state cucking its citizens away from so called 'harmful' practices cannot accomplish shit, so much as ruin shit.

Colton Cooper
Colton Cooper

Did you actually read the link?
admittedly not, I just skimmed it and didn't consider that it would play "gotcha" with me
those sources
don't actually provide any studies showing the effectiveness of certain foods to increase concentration or memory, but are speculative that X food's pharmacology should or is associated with better concentration.

Not really. It's just another way to treat those things.
No no no no no. You are trying to make tobacco out to be a bogeyman (in accordance with leftist/authoritarian shill propaganda), and believe there are no benefits to smoking. There are
youtube.com/watch?v=ZYlaDdQDsb0

Also, nootropics are better and safer than nicotine, with none of the detriments.
none of the detriments
kek, the research on most nootropics just isn't there so this is a tenuous claim at best

Xavier Ross
Xavier Ross

Tobacco, like pornography and communism, are Jew weapons. When you realize that, it's easy to reject them.

Oliver Diaz
Oliver Diaz

All it takes is an skilled enough graphic designer and an anonymous message boards. If it sticks, other communities will echo it. But keeping it exclusively as an album cover wouldn't work alone, I see your point. We need to be creative.

Lincoln Bennett
Lincoln Bennett

Probably foam tbqfhf (to be quite fairly honest senpai).

Cameron Ramirez
Cameron Ramirez

this is what lack of capitalism does to you

Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

kek'd

MARCH II O I VI

Jose Diaz
Jose Diaz

You are trying to make tobacco out to be a bogeyman
Because humans aren't really meant to breathe in anything which isn't air. Let alone pay Jews for the privilege.
believe there are no benefits to smoking. There are
Even if there were, it wouldn't be worth the cost. It's like saying there's a benefit to shooting yourself in the leg because it'll treat a lead allergy.
the research on most nootropics just isn't there
Only because they're so new. Still preferable to cigarettes which only work by virtue of staving off cravings. Hell, sugar increases concentration by having some when you're craving it.

So you just want gore spammed online? Because we already have that...

William Flores
William Flores

Yes, praise the invisible hand for its supermarkets full of sugar-filled shit and mutant produce, the freedumb to get addicted to tobacco and alcohol, and sick fools living in the intellectual squalor of television and social media in bland soulless suburbs who have to drive everywhere to do anything.

We still have too much capitalism desu senpai.

Austin Jones
Austin Jones

No, but it is a bit of a deterrent.
No.
It isn't.
Anyone who starts already smoking knows the risks and chooses to smoke anyway. Do you know how much time a smoker spends looking at their package of cigarettes? Exactly how long it takes to find the package and put it in their pocket.
All you've done is make the smoker feel resentment toward the nanny that makes them look at ugliness for a split second every day.
Lets put it in simpler terms for you.
Do you know what else is unpleasant to look at?
Your average vagina.
That still doesn't stop men from fucking women and eating pussy. Why?

The item in question wasn't created for you to spend hours visually admiring it as a work of art. Sure some of them actually are nice to look at, but that's entirely secondary and utterly unimportant to their evolutionary function.

Jonathan Lewis
Jonathan Lewis

You almost got it. Oversimplified, but close. We take (((their))) licensed gore art and have it serve the opposite of their intent. Such as tying the art to big names (that can benefit off the art) or including it into jokes or memes. (((they))) won't be able to attack/sue anyone and will be forced to abort their gore campaign.

Adam Jones
Adam Jones

All you've done is make the smoker feel resentment toward the nanny that makes them look at ugliness for a split second every day.
Good. Hopefully it makes them feel shame, too.
Do you know what else is unpleasant to look at? Your average vagina.
Must be a lot of tarts in your area.

You're ignoring that the vast majority of people aren't keen on gore, and will just associate whatever you add to it with being repugnant.

Grayson Hill
Grayson Hill

Because humans aren't really meant to breathe in anything which isn't air.
Everything on this planet was born to die. I don't really see the issue if some people choose to abuse their bodies and die a little earlier to enjoy themselves.

Let alone pay Jews for the privilege.
you seem to be in favor of massive cigarette taxes which don't seem to have any curbing effect on tobacco use, but just seem to unfairly tax the lower classes?

Even if there were, it wouldn't be worth the cost.
sure but if you're actually interested in doing cost-benefit analysis then you should acknowledge the benefits people receive from smoking, which can be significant.

Only because they're so new.
...which means that there is no reason for you to believe they are particularly risk free.

Isaac Sanchez
Isaac Sanchez

It works

Jacob Thompson
Jacob Thompson

I smoke and do chew.
Fucking debate me.

Christian Lee
Christian Lee

people become addicts because they feel like shit. smoking stimulates the brain which makes them feel better temporarily. by putting those images on packages you just make them feel even more shit and guilty which in turn makes them want to smoke even more to get rid of the shitty feeling.

Connor Cox
Connor Cox

I'm a non-smoker and this is disgusting.

Daniel Phillips
Daniel Phillips

I don't really see the issue if some people choose to abuse their bodies and die a little earlier to enjoy themselves.
I concur, but they're being a detriment to others as they do so. Like with trannies getting the snip on the NHS.
you seem to be in favor of massive cigarette taxes which don't seem to have any curbing effect on tobacco use,
Meh? Luxury items don't deserve such protections against tax.
but just seem to unfairly tax the lower classes?
unfairly
If the plebs thought it was unfair, they could choose not to pay for the pleasure of hamstringing themselves.
sure but if you're actually interested in doing cost-benefit analysis then you should acknowledge the benefits people receive from smoking, which can be significant.
Except it's still not worth the cost. And the benefits are only on those who are already at a disadvantage by smoking. Because they simply cannot test it by having someone start smoking. Catch-22.
...which means that there is no reason for you to believe they are particularly risk free.
True, but given that they benefit non-smokers, and aren't harmful to people not taking them, they're already ahead.

Jack Russell
Jack Russell

Any movement has to start somewhere. Sure, I agree. No one wants to look at someone split open or a fucked up looking foot or face. But there are groups of people who can tolerate it. We start there. Enough creative people pitch in, we can virtually do anything.

Jayden Cooper
Jayden Cooper

All drugs should be tax-free and legal, with cyanide put in.

Luke Powell
Luke Powell

It has had a huge effect in places where it is implemented. I remember only 10 years ago you could see people smoking all over Oslo every day. Even I smoked, but now you only see a smoker maybe every other month.

William Hernandez
William Hernandez

You can get a decent cigar for like $4. It's hardly a rich man's hobby.

James Reyes
James Reyes

by a nice cig case
buy cigs by the carton
transfer into case
laugh at liberals

Andrew Turner
Andrew Turner

That's my point. It's already a "thing", and people don't like it unless they're on /b/.

Dominican
Cubans are a trope for a reason.

Jace Garcia
Jace Garcia

we still have branding and everything. we just need the graphic warning on 1/4 of the box, which is otherwise exactly how the maker designed it.

in australia and elsewhere they have plain boxes with just the warning on the box and the product name in plain text. supposed to take the "cool" out of smoking.

another thing I heard is they want to make cigarette boxes lime green as it's apparently the least appealing/"cool" colour

Isaiah Green
Isaiah Green

Good. Hopefully it makes them feel shame, too.
Why would it make them feel shame you mong?
Do you understand how resentment works?
It's an outward emotion not an inward one.

Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

Every time i think of individual liberties being assaulted by busybody, false-pious, know-it-alls it makes me sad.

Then i just look at stupid europe and laugh.

Christ this whole world is going to the fucking hippies and the housewives.

Levi Rodriguez
Levi Rodriguez

Why would it make them feel shame you mong?
For being a drain on society. The same way i hope fatties and alcoholics feel, as they're basically the same thing.

Hunter Hall
Hunter Hall

No it didn't cunt. Not one person that I know who smokes has quit because of these pictures.

Jason Bell
Jason Bell

Actually, I got a good idea right when I posted that last thing. We use their licensed gore art and tie it to big names that everyone loves. Mcdonalds, Walmart, Pizza Hut, etc etc etc. Just tie it to things with the same or similar message that "X" will kill you.

Devalue (((their))) message. Makes cigs acceptable again.

Ethan Baker
Ethan Baker

In Russia 1.5$ per pack did the job. 45$ / month too high payment.

And no matter it 1$ or 2$ cogarettes it all low quality shit. 10 years ago it was much higher.

Wyatt Flores
Wyatt Flores

I like the varied artwork. Who will be first to collect them all?

Easton Clark
Easton Clark

thanks for correcting the record cancuck

Caleb Hernandez
Caleb Hernandez

And I thought ours were bad

Nolan Baker
Nolan Baker

I always try to take the ones about pregnant women in hopes of feeling less concerned.

Elijah Lopez
Elijah Lopez

Only as long as hardworking people exist to give the lazy a free ride.

Caleb Thompson
Caleb Thompson

I don't even smoke but these seems really gay. Either way idc

Josiah Gomez
Josiah Gomez

show dead babies and mutilated people
cannot show benis

Aaron Morgan
Aaron Morgan

smoking the herbal jew

Jeremiah Howard
Jeremiah Howard

We use their licensed gore art and tie it to big names that everyone loves.
It's illegal, but sure. If it can bring down those other poisons, go for it.
I doubt it'd benefit (((cigarettes))), though.

Cameron White
Cameron White

How did it work?

I still smoke the tobbacjew just as much.

Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward

but they're being a detriment to others as they do so.
le second hand smoke kills meme xddd
sure, blowing smoke in your kids face isn't healthy but most people have common courtesy.

Meh? Luxury items don't deserve such protections against tax.
DESERVE
economic sanctions
leftist drivel.

If the plebs thought it was unfair, they could choose not to pay for the pleasure of hamstringing themselves.
Why are you so unconcerned with the economic interests lifetime smokers who will probably never quit? Far from being public menaces, some of these people are great family men and most of them are lower class to begin with.

Except it's still not worth the cost.
Yes, but the prohibitions and regulations against it also impose significant costs, and things need to be kept in proportion if you want to have actually beneficial policies instead of just jumping on le prohibitionist nanny state bandwagon.

Julian Diaz
Julian Diaz

unironically puts a globalist faggot in charge of his country

loving every laugh

Jason Murphy
Jason Murphy

I see.
You're a fanatic and your opinions are rooted in your feelings rather than reality.
Well have fun resenting the cool kids faggot, I'm sure you'll go real far.

Jaxon Torres
Jaxon Torres

top cigarette

Bentley Flores
Bentley Flores

Pure fearmongering, why aren't tobacco companies suing the fuck out of the government for millions in losses?

Caleb Scott
Caleb Scott

Hah. You just stated the folly of your argument. With an anonymous message board
heavy implying
It'd be possible to get the big corporations squirming in panic. And anti-tobacco companies? What can they do? Put double or triple gore? It'd blow over.

Because no one is going to let go of walmart or mcdonalds. No one is that sophisticated anymore. Or just for the sake or argument, there won't be enough people leaving those big names just because of a few shitty pictures stolen from the anti-tobacco ads.

Win-win

Hudson Robinson
Hudson Robinson

but most people have common courtesy.
Smokers? Haven't seen it happen yet. Outside public buildings, one often has to walk through the toxic miasma.
leftist drivel.
Wouldn't leftists be in support of people being "free to choose"? The point still stands: it's a luxury item, with no benefit to society. Why shouldn't fools be parted from their money?
Why are you so unconcerned with the economic interests lifetime smokers who will probably never quit?
Because it's bad for the economy. Duh. At least you septics have the benefit of the money staying (partially) in your country.
Far from being public menaces, some of these people are great family men
If that were true, they wouldn't smoke. They'd care more about their children.
and most of them are lower class to begin with.
And if they weren't so stupid as to waste their money on poisons, they might not be.
Yes, but the prohibitions and regulations against it also impose significant costs
Here at least, cigarette regulations make a pretty penny for the state. Which is why they're not banned.

Well have fun resenting the cool kids
Ah, so you were projecting, and it's your opinions being rooted in feels. Otherwise you may have tried to refute my points, you weak willed peasant.

Grayson Young
Grayson Young

Most tobacco executives are white, not Jewish

Most Anti-tobacco groups are Jewish.

Makes one think.

Zachary Lopez
Zachary Lopez

You only see the packaging when you pull it out of your pocket. Its not that big of a deal.

Gavin Barnes
Gavin Barnes

the whole reason for this is because the tobacco companies were sued to shit. that's why they started to put the warnings on the packs. now i guess they are allowed to do this too and the tobacco companies can't do shit about it. it doesn't matter really. smokers are gonna smoke and cigarettes are very cheap to produce

Hudson Powell
Hudson Powell

Walk ouside in Brazil and most of those happen anyway

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

It'd be possible to get the big corporations squirming in panic. And anti-tobacco companies? What can they do? Put double or triple gore? It'd blow over.
Why would they care? I'm just not getting why you think it'd affect anything, especially given the small scale it'd be on.

Most tobacco executives are white, not Jewish
implying
Besides, one doesn't have to be a semite to act like one.

Leo Morris
Leo Morris

implying

Great retort.

James Kelly
James Kelly

Just put a picture of a healthy, happy white couple on the packages. That will get brits to stop using them faster than anything else

Henry Carter
Henry Carter

It's on par with your post, newfriend. The crux was that they act like your typical kike CEO.

Xavier Morales
Xavier Morales

Bigger question is why I'd care if they care. My only focus is on anti-tobacco groups. Devalue their gore pictures and make it a norm to ignore gore and still go for the product despite exaggerated warnings. Considering the big names and the many consumers who'd defend and debate it, it'd roll into it's own meme on auto-pilot. Maybe it won't remove gore off of cig boxes, but it'd make people give less than a fuck about it.

Jayden Peterson
Jayden Peterson

projecting
What do you call this post user?
Your personal feelings about smokers, fatties, and alcoholics are irrelevant to their opinions of themselves. They don't give a shit what you think and never will either.

Carter Hughes
Carter Hughes

Just started smoking regularly and nicotine is good .

Luis Hill
Luis Hill

muh corporations
muh CEOs
go back to leftypol

Aaron Campbell
Aaron Campbell

My only focus is on anti-tobacco groups.
Why?
but it'd make people give less than a fuck about it.
Except very few people would be seeing it, so it'd have no effect.

I don't think you understand the term...
Your personal feelings about smokers, fatties, and alcoholics are irrelevant to their opinions of themselves.
Of course. I wasn't arguing otherwise. I was just stating my desire that those who are a drain on society feel shame for it. To be projecting, i would have to be a fat, alcoholic smoker with those feelings.

Julian Cooper
Julian Cooper

Just had my morning smoke, nice autumn colors and crisp air.

Angel Foster
Angel Foster

Too much of a capitalist/nationalist/white for it.
Or did i just hit too close to home, Chaim?

Josiah Price
Josiah Price

Smokers? Haven't seen it happen yet. Outside public buildings, one often has to walk through the toxic miasma.
the toxic miasma
the smell of cigarettes
this is as bad as secondhand smoke
oy vey, it's anuddah shoah!

Wouldn't leftists be in support of people being "free to choose"?
I was referring to your view that luxury items are evil and taxes aren't really a big deal

The point still stands: it's a luxury item, with no benefit to society. Why shouldn't fools be parted from their money?
let natural selection take its course, if you are so sure of the evils of smoking. There is no need to exacerbate the poverty of smokers.

Because it's bad for the economy. Duh.
lifetime smokers are part of the economy, and who's to say that whatever your nanny state spends its blood money on is better than what smokers would spend it on?
inb4 they'll spend it all on smokes!
No, probably not. Smokers generally have a very fixed quantity that gradually increases, regardless of the costs.

And if they weren't so stupid as to waste their money on poisons, they might not be.
That's bullshit. 95%+ of the cost of cigs is the tax (in your country, anyway). All of the income from the tax translates to an even larger amount of dead weight loss.

If that were true, they wouldn't smoke. They'd care more about their children.
More bullshit. Just because you can't quit doesn't mean you don't love your kids. People who are addicted to smoking can be just as good fathers as people who don't smoke. The fathers that I know who smoke are better than the average of the ones who don't, in my experience.

Jace Wood
Jace Wood

tobacco is a gods herb and should not be disrespected like this

Anthony Moore
Anthony Moore

too much of a capitalist for it
advocates nanny state interventions for every social "evil" under the sun
doesn't even appreciate why CEOs are paid well
kek

Ethan Price
Ethan Price

(((Their))) messages has pussified the public. To the point where one's decision to make friends with another could completely hang on whether he/she smokes or not. People are afraid of second hand smoke and think cigs are literally satan wrapped in a sheet of paper. The original surgeon general's message was literally good enough, but they didn't stop there.

Except very few people would be seeing it, so it'd have no effect.
You have no statistical proof of that.

Elijah Hughes
Elijah Hughes

Did they raise the tax on tobacco?
They have the pictures here and it did nothing. They raised the taxes and people stopped smoking

Dylan Wright
Dylan Wright

tfw eager as fuck to smoke some cigarettes but everything is closed

Mason Gonzalez
Mason Gonzalez

I don't think YOU understand the term.
You're projecting your emotional desires upon other people. They don't care.
capitalist
lol
Whatever you say Che.

Gabriel Jones
Gabriel Jones

Disgusting. Go back to your cuckshed.

William Phillips
William Phillips

We have that shit here
And no it doesnt work

Joseph Ortiz
Joseph Ortiz

You fucking liar no it didnt

Jace Lewis
Jace Lewis

the smell of cigarettes
this is as bad as secondhand smoke
That IS secondhand smoke, genius. And some people don't like smelling like shit.
I was referring to your view that luxury items are evil and taxes aren't really a big deal
My bad then. I didn't mean to imply luxury items were evil. Just that cigarettes are a luxury and a detriment, which are thus deserving of scorn. Taxes are only no big deal on such things.
let natural selection take its course, if you are so sure of the evils of smoking.
Happily. But again, the problem is when affecting others.
There is no need to exacerbate the poverty of smokers.
Is that not contributing to the natural selection, though? It's just a dick move that taxes from cigarettes aren't put back into the healthcare system. Why do you think they dindunuffin, and are so deserving of their wasted funds?
lifetime smokers are part of the economy,
Follow the money. It's wasteful for that money to go towards cigarette companies.
and who's to say that whatever your nanny state spends its blood money on is better than what smokers would spend it on?
Not me. The taxes are usually wasted.
That's bullshit.
If they didn't spend $20-30/pack every day or so, they might be able to do better in life. Same with many other vices.
The fathers that I know who smoke are better than the average of the ones who don't, in my experience.
A lovely anecdote, but a good father would preserve his health for his kids.

doesn't even appreciate why CEOs are paid well
Hell no. I'm not some communist who thinks CEOs "Don't deserve their pay." I just think CEOs of cigarette/fast food/alcohol companies are massive Jews profiting from harming white people.

Sebastian Hill
Sebastian Hill

mfw

Dominic Watson
Dominic Watson

People are afraid of second hand smoke
As they should be. People don't like breathing in car exhaust either.
You have no statistical proof of that.
How many people see gore at the moment?

They don't care.
Again, duh.
lol
Capitalism means you can't have ethics or care about your nation
JIDF used to be better disguised.

Cooper Collins
Cooper Collins

It didn't do shit here. Biggest waste of fucking time in politics.

Ian Scott
Ian Scott

There is nothing unethical about tobacco son.

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

(((you)))

Christian Hernandez
Christian Hernandez

Toxins can be cleared out pretty effectively, mucous clearance of smokers is crazy efficient despite cilia paralysis. It's the carcinogens that get you 2 to 4 decades from now

Bentley Jones
Bentley Jones

See starting at 9:40

youtube.com/watch?v=TRL7o2kPqw0

Angel Evans
Angel Evans

A pussified world. All thanks to a group of drama queens. Well I'm satisfied with all your answers and convinced that my idea could single handedly disassemble this gore strategy from the anti-tobacco groups.

Oliver Miller
Oliver Miller

it's a fuckin band aid, so mothers groups feel good about themselves. Waste of money and time imo.

Jaxon Harris
Jaxon Harris

COLLECT ALL 30 !!!

Gabriel Powell
Gabriel Powell

This is a lie. The combustion of weed actually has more carcinogens in it than combusted tobacco, like an insane amount more. Plus it's pretty heavy in Ammonia byproducts.

The only reason stoners don't get lung cancer is because they don't chain smoke. Those studies that correlated tobacco and cancer were in those that smoked more than 20 cigs (a pack) a day. Can you imagine smoking 20 joints a day?

Parker Edwards
Parker Edwards

Probably public smoking regs too.

Charles Allen
Charles Allen

Everyone dies somehow.

Ryder Scott
Ryder Scott

for niggers

Grayson Garcia
Grayson Garcia

A pussified world.
Yea, we should also drink lead based paint and sniff mercury. Otherwise a Costa Rican will think we're pussies.
But hey, good luck to you with your vague and stupid ideas.

Kayden Hernandez
Kayden Hernandez

Not true. See

No radioactive polonium and lead in weed. The radiation causes most of the cancers.

Grayson Taylor
Grayson Taylor

That tax revenue ain't

Though it's literally feeding off people's addiction, draining them of cash when they can't get help or quit. Never knew how that was morally sound

Justin Gonzalez
Justin Gonzalez

See also:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2509609/

Jaxon Baker
Jaxon Baker

No radioactive polonium and lead

What are you taking about? Heavy metal are hardly the most contributing carcinogens in smoke, of any plant. Majority are PAHs

Joshua Edwards
Joshua Edwards

putting gory screenshots from dark souls on cigs
not metal as fuck

Lucas Richardson
Lucas Richardson

Hey that does sound pretty badass. To drink lead based paint and sniff mercury. You should do it and I'll take a shit in honor of the leftist straya and it's shitty family. Don't be such a pussy, m8

Samuel Martinez
Samuel Martinez

That IS secondhand smoke, genius.
secondhand smoke is a serious health risk when people smoke outside
jesus you are deluded

and are so deserving of their wasted funds?
wasted
what the fuck man, you really are a nanny state authoritarian. Being unhealthy doesn't mean you forfeit your right to have money

Is that not contributing to the natural selection, though?
by imposing upon natural selection, you may be changing the outcome.

follow the money
DEAD WEIGHT LOSS

It's wasteful for that money to go towards cigarette companies.
No it's not. Cigarette companies promote job creation and economic exchange, and anyway most of the money goes to government which wastes it on things like pic related.

If they didn't spend $20-30/pack every day or so, they might be able to do better in life. Same with many other vices.
it would only be $0.50/pack if it weren't for people like you who think it's OK to fuck up people's lives if they're a "deplorable"

Not me. The taxes are usually wasted.
so you admit that cigarette tax money usually doesn't go to do society any good? You're not going to be installed as dictator any time soon, user, so supporting these taxes only supports creating DWL.

A lovely anecdote, but a good father would preserve his health for his kids.
people aren't perfect, and anyway the anecdotal evidence i have is of fathers who are currently living into their late 60s. By that principle, people who have kids late (in their 40s) are also bad people

Charles Hill
Charles Hill

Yea I agree it's not morally sound. It's the same as a doctor going "hurr you don't know what it's like working in emergency' -still takes paycheck for 1mil a year.

Jacob Myers
Jacob Myers

Nope. People just buy covers.

Also a carton is something like $160 and people still buy them.

Ayden Allen
Ayden Allen

I love smoking and I love the smell of diesel exhaust. Reminds me of afghanistan

Nolan Torres
Nolan Torres

The polonium in tobacco comes from the use of fertilizer. How confident are you that your weed farmer doesn't fertilize his crops?

Christopher Gonzalez
Christopher Gonzalez

I don't know about anywhere else but all I've ever heard was people shitting on smoking. It doesn't stop a single person who's interested in it. There are probably still 24/7 anti-smoking ads too. Funny how you see way less alcohol warnings and everyone and their granny loves getting piss drunk cause wew drinking culture.

Adrian Young
Adrian Young

it worked

everyone who smokes still smokes.

Ayden Morales
Ayden Morales

We have this shit in Australia. I don't even fucking smoke and I disagree with it. Unless they put it for anything that increases the odds of death by a similar percentage to smoking on average.

Levi Johnson
Levi Johnson

I think it will lead to an increase in aftermarket cigarette containers.

Hudson Brown
Hudson Brown

I just think CEOs of cigarette/fast food/alcohol companies are massive Jews profiting from harming white people.
That's what I think about government goons who make cigarettes $20-30/pack

Carson Rivera
Carson Rivera

Hydroponics use premade nutrient solutions, there is no soil patch to fertilize.

Elijah Sanchez
Elijah Sanchez

There are few consumer products intended for consumption that are as likely to lead to death as nicotine.

Owen Smith
Owen Smith

Although some tobacco company researchers genuinely believed that the amount of PO-210 in cigarette smoke was too small to be a major risk factor for lung cancer induction, this opinion was not shared by company lawyers

Pretty much sums up that article. It's simply trying to push the Surgeon General to put "May be radioactive" on cigs, it doesnt provide any evidence polonium is a significant risk factor in tobacco smoke. Polonium most definitely is a mutagen, that's been well established, but its hardly driving force in the carcinogencity of smoke

Hence why that labeling never got passed, it's too much ad hoc and too little casualty.

Landon Perez
Landon Perez

maybe if you're smoking on psychedelics

Josiah Moore
Josiah Moore

implying all weed is grown with hydroponics

Charles Clark
Charles Clark

This^ im surprised there isnt a 15% tax on coffee yet

Henry Taylor
Henry Taylor

implying I buy all the weed grown in the world

Nolan Kelly
Nolan Kelly

Buy cigarette case
Throw pack out after transferring them

Eli Baker
Eli Baker

nicotine
more likely to cause death than McDonalds
kek, you mean cigarettes right? Nicotine is actually pretty harmless as long as your method of delivery isn't cigarettes

Angel Russell
Angel Russell

We've had these shock pictures on cigarettes and loose tobacco for a while now. All the smokers I've asked don't mind at all. So once you're hooked on that stuff, it doesn't have any effect on you.

It might deter teens wanting to smoke for the first time. Thankfully the numbers of first time smokers are already down, among most teens smokers are seen as losers.

Tyler Bell
Tyler Bell

You mean like vapes? but that just puts water into your lungs.

Xavier Thompson
Xavier Thompson

pussy cant handle it, those are fucking metal cases

grow a pair kid

Ryder Diaz
Ryder Diaz

that just puts water into your lungs.
Plus nicotine and whatever makes up the flavour. It's not healthy, but healthier than the smoke of burned stuff.

Lucas Martin
Lucas Martin

Pure nicotine is deadly as hell even a small amount can leave you blind or in a coma they even have to constantly rotate the people who harvest it so people don't get sick, dipshit.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning

Robert Long
Robert Long

Your reading comprehension is horrible. Alpha particles are the bowling balls of DNA damage. Nothing else in cigarette smoke comes close. That is why Polonium 210 is so popular with Mossad and KGB.

Jordan Bailey
Jordan Bailey

vapes
yeah but also gum and cigars and snuff.

but that just puts water into your lungs
and? it clearly lacks all of the main problems of cigs, and I don't think small amounts of water really cause lung damage

Eli Richardson
Eli Richardson

a lot of thing are deadly as hell in doses that are 10-20 times the normal dose

Evan Morgan
Evan Morgan

Nicotine has one of the smallest LD50's of known substances. 50mg of it will kill 50% of people. That is 2.5 patches worth.

Joshua Nelson
Joshua Nelson

implying pre-made means anything

Really silly now. I mean, there is radon in your water. There are isotopes everywhere. Polonium is inherent in fertilizer, you think growers are getting their stuff from some radiation free niche?

Levi Rivera
Levi Rivera

vaping water

I have now realized I am way under my league here. Good day, believe what you want

Ryan Phillips
Ryan Phillips

Nothing that is not controlled as a prescription pharmaceutical.

Parker Bennett
Parker Bennett

But now you've just shifted the problem from carcinogenics to pneumonia which would probably be worse considering how people abuse antibiotics and super viruses are slowly emerging.

Hunter Bell
Hunter Bell

Its bad and it will not stop people smoking. Even if it did, its not up to the government to intervene in people's habits.

Gabriel Garcia
Gabriel Garcia

There is no recommended dose of pure nicotine because it is caustic and dangerous and the other thing I mentioned had nothing to do with dosed, simply handling raw tobacco plants.

Angel Smith
Angel Smith

A). We're not talking about your anecdotal personal weedman, we're talking about marijuana in general
B). The fact that you use a "premade nutrient solution" to grow your hydro, does not change the fact that plants need phosphorus to grow. The primary source of agricultural phosphorus is apatite. Apatite contains significant amounts of rare-earth elements which is where the polonium contamination comes from.

Do you think the tobacco industry went to the metaphorical fertilizer store and said "give us the brand of fertilizer with the polonium contaminated phosphorus in it, we're trying to kill people!"?
No they bought the same agricultural fertilizer from the same sources as every one else. The exact same fertilizer sources the hydroponics industry goes to get the phosphorus to create their "premade nutrient solutions".

The truly sickening part is that the only play this polonium contamination scandal is getting is as an angle to attack smoking. Phosphate fertilizers aren't just used to grow tobacco you know...

Parker Rogers
Parker Rogers

Worked in germany. Tobacco lobby is working overtime right now to undo the change because after like a dozen price raises and other things that didn't get a single person to stop, this one cut into their profits significantly.

Fuck smokers.

Jose Richardson
Jose Richardson

implying the risk of pneumonia is as significant for vapes as cancer is to cig smokers

vitamins

Gabriel Thompson
Gabriel Thompson

All I know is doctors here warn of vapes and e-cigarettes because they do damage to your health. On the other hand they recommend them to people who just can't quit smoking, because they do less damage than burning sticks of tobacco.

Jaxon Phillips
Jaxon Phillips

I think they did it all backwards, a few years ago they made it law that cigarettes can't be on display in shops, so nobody is going to see the packaging until after they buy it. A wall of gore would be more effective at stopping people smoking because they wouldn't have to start to see the supposed health risks.

Luke Thompson
Luke Thompson

My numbers are off, but it is still roughly equivalent to the toxicity of sodium cyanide.

Christopher Howard
Christopher Howard

I'll trade you a Low Birth Weight one for your 9 Out Of 10 Lung Cancer one.

Caleb King
Caleb King

If you chain smoke the thing like people do with normal cigarettes already then yes it would be a real risk.

These people should just slap those nicotine patches on their arms and move on with their life.

Adrian Murphy
Adrian Murphy

Which vitamins will blind you or kill you if you take 10?

Jaxon Lopez
Jaxon Lopez

If you do a little research you will learn that phosphate fertilizers do not account for the polonium content of tobacco. It is present in tobacco grown with or without fertilizers. The reasons are as yet unexplained, but have to do with the unique properties of the tobacco plant.

Luke Foster
Luke Foster

A). We're not talking about your anecdotal personal weedman
see
How confident are you that your weed farmer
your weed farmer

tl;dr the rest, if you can't get the first point right, why bother continuing.

Lincoln Davis
Lincoln Davis

If the polonium concentrations in cigarette smoke were that high people would be dropping like flies, and I don't mean in twenty years I mean in a few weeks.

You really think the KGB would allegedly use Polonium to kill people if they have to wait twenty years for it to kick in?

Jacob Gutierrez
Jacob Gutierrez

Here you go, one of the fundamental papers of carcinogens in tobacco. Over 700 citations

citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.318.1611&rep=rep1&type=pdf

I have been reading up on this polonium fertilizer stuff and it seems to be all published in no name 'predatory journals' or are literally blog posts (I'll let you look up what that means, since I have a feeling you aren't actually in academia).

Seems they are all pushing for the same thing in their conclusions, that is to label cigs as a radiation risk. Its a good cause for the anti-smoking league to pursue, people are terrified of the word radiation. But again, hasn't happened yet because, like I said, these are junk publications with little merit.

Like, please, just think critically for a second here: why has this label never come out, in all these years they have been pushing it? Its not like the government has anything against labeling tobacco as dangerous anymore.

Blake Ward
Blake Ward

Nobody who seriously smokes in the UK buys their cigarettes in the UK anyway. It's pretty much all gone black market.

Jacob Torres
Jacob Torres

Kek

Brandon Clark
Brandon Clark

spam detection so I can't post the primary source. Follow the first link here ecigarette-politics.com/blog/nicotine-high-toxicity-myth-destroyed.html

James Martin
James Martin

I did do a little research. That research led to fertilizer.

but have to do with the unique properties of the tobacco plant.
What it magically spawns the element polonium out of thin air?

Aaron Garcia
Aaron Garcia

When do we start getting photos of diabetic foot ulcers on bottles of coke?

Sebastian Hill
Sebastian Hill

pedantry
honestly thinks hydroponically grown plants don't require fertilizer

Jose Martin
Jose Martin

see the link I just replied with

If you chain smoke the thing like people do with normal cigarettes already then yes it would be a real risk.
this is just speculation

Jack Scott
Jack Scott

there is literally nothing wrong with smoking.

Christopher Price
Christopher Price

Please just ignore him, I don't think he understands

Christopher Torres
Christopher Torres

Water in your lungs is bad, more water in your lungs is even worse.

What part of that is just 'speculation'?

Easton Phillips
Easton Phillips

are you stupid

Angel Thomas
Angel Thomas

Yeah, way off. That low ld50 was done in rats, which is usually pretty viable data, except we have cases now of people ingesting a gram or more and surviving

Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

Doesn't seem to work in Singapore.

Justin Parker
Justin Parker

fuck smokers
he says as he downs his second double quarter pounder of the day down his fat gullet

Hunter King
Hunter King

Will they put it on cigar boxes too?

Elijah Ross
Elijah Ross

that vaping is a serious health risk because of the water

Evan Wood
Evan Wood

Also you don't need to say sodium cyanide, just say cyanide, that's the deadly part. Sodium is just there to balance out the charge. You look like an idioit when you do

Adrian Ross
Adrian Ross

Good, there's nothing I hate more than waiting in a line with someone smoking 3 cigarettes in a row and filling the area with smoke, fucking drug addicts.

Gavin Nelson
Gavin Nelson

The impotencia one cracks me up. Looks like he is trying to reason with his dick.

Bentley Davis
Bentley Davis

water

There is no water in eliquid, only trace amounts, much less than that's already in your lungs. I mean, do you know how much energy it takes to bring water to vaporize? Not to mention, it would kinda burn a lot

Jason King
Jason King

If it is so bad for you, why not ban them? Increase the legal age every year until everyone is too old to by them. Oh right, taxes.

Tyler Foster
Tyler Foster

Oh shit, you have a source so reputable, its labeled as spam, can't wait to check it out and see how it is definitely conclusive and not at all vague and questionable it is.

Anthony Ramirez
Anthony Ramirez

see the link I just replied with
You forgot to include the vitamin link I guess, I don't see a link about vitamins that kill if you take 10-20.

Dominic Taylor
Dominic Taylor

Fertilizer is specifically applied to soil, no soil, no fertilizer, only nutrients because you have different concerns if you aren't using the ground to plant in.

Oliver Morgan
Oliver Morgan

K-E-K

Thomas Perez
Thomas Perez

People survive several gunshots to the head too, that doesn't mean it isn't a fatal dose of lead, they just got lucky.

Colton Walker
Colton Walker

I support any and all government measures to reduce tobacco consumption, including greatly increased taxing, plain packaging, further restrictions to where smokers can smoke and advertisement campaigns. Luckily it is going down in Australia.

Parker Cook
Parker Cook

water
Isn't ejuice made of alcohol and random solvent type chemicals?

Hunter Foster
Hunter Foster

So what's the story behind the banning of cigarettes around the world?
Is it so insurance companies can continue milking people for longer, and hospitals can cut a few costs?

Give me the radpill Cred Forums.

Isaac Fisher
Isaac Fisher

well I was going to be completely fair to your side of the argument and try to see if there was anything to your argument by checking your source out, but it looks like Cred Forums's spam filter blocked you from posting it so your scientific publication article
kek

smartypantsvitamins.com/the-overdose-risks-of-vitamins-why-proper-dosage-matters/

James Baker
James Baker

hurr when you put the nutrients in duh soil it's fertilizer but when you put em in duh water it's different!

Christian Evans
Christian Evans

Upping the prices to 34 aus$ a pack you degenerate. Really makes you think

Jaxon Taylor
Jaxon Taylor

read the reply chain, I'm not the one claiming that

Brandon Howard
Brandon Howard

yes, holy shit, fuck smokers.

Walk down the street? Fucking smoke in your face
Walk outside any fucking building? Fucking smokers lurking the minimum number of feet legally required from the entrance blowing smoke in your face.
Rent? Fuck you. Your apartment smells like an ashtray because the asshole two stories down blows smoke out the balcony 24/7
etc etc etc

Ban cancer smoke from public.

Isaiah Cooper
Isaiah Cooper

muh lethal dose of 0.001 mg!

Tyler James
Tyler James

You couldn't make an argument, though, you googled the first thing that seemed like it supported your point and felt fine that it was basically just spam to sell ecigarettes.

That says you have to take 50 times the recommended dose over several months to build up to a big tummy ache over vitamin D and the only time it mentioned something fatal was talking about giving children under 5 iron.

Ethan Phillips
Ethan Phillips

Vestigial war on plants and Paganism by the dominant Abrahamics who have a history of self hate with anything of the natural world, the Puritans, Quakers and all that too. The legalization of weed is really just a technocratic Inquisition as they are taking names combined with extreme fascist licensing programs and will dole out punishment in the way of blacklisting later.

Yeah, living much beyond 70 except those in very good health - many smokers actually, is kinda brutal. We didn't evolve to live much past that and when the brain organ goes it gets really ugly which are the brunt of new age old folks diseases.

Robert Kelly
Robert Kelly

It is different nutrients by necessity because fertilizers have things that don't break down as easily and completely as liquid nutrients, thus will never be metabolized by the plant, so you need to make the distinction so people use the correct tool for the correct job.

Angel Brooks
Angel Brooks

well read the paper I linked, I'm not going to rewrite it here for your convenience.

vitamins
yeah it's a bit of a stretch but so is the LD50 of nicotine

Blake Gomez
Blake Gomez

No it's the exact same nutrients just in a liquid suspension.

Eli Butler
Eli Butler

Also, it would hurt your position to have to summarize it and realize it is vague, biased, and inconclusive.

Ian Adams
Ian Adams

Hey that does sound pretty badass.
Guess that Darwin Award stuff is legit.

deluded
Go suck on a tailpipe, then.
Being unhealthy doesn't mean you forfeit your right to have money
No, but being unwise generally does. And yes, I am an authoritarian, because too many people make stupid choices. You're proof of this.
by imposing upon natural selection, you may be changing the outcome.
Changing the tax rate =/= affecting natural selection.
Cigarette companies promote job creation and economic exchange
Are they the absolute best with no detriment? If not, they could be better used in different ways.
it would only be $0.50/pack if it weren't for people like you who think it's OK to fuck up people's lives if they're a "deplorable"
Those people are intentionally fucking up their own lives, my moronic leftist friend.
so you admit that cigarette tax money usually doesn't go to do society any good?
Nah. It could, but sadly does not. Still, better than not having it.
By that principle, people who have kids late (in their 40s) are also bad people
Agreed.

You probably won't do well here, with all the Nazi types.

That's what I think about government goons who make cigarettes $20-30/pack
How is that harming white people?

Dylan Gray
Dylan Gray

it was basically just spam to sell ecigarettes
Archives of Toxicology, January 2014, Volume 88, Issue 1, pp 5–7
kek

Josiah Bennett
Josiah Bennett

Smokers, druggies and alcoholics all deserve to be sent to the gulag.

Kevin Flores
Kevin Flores

They do here, but you can usually peel it off.

Christian Williams
Christian Williams

calling me a leftist
being a nanny-state supporter
kek

Alexander Phillips
Alexander Phillips

I prefer the term "Heinlein State"

Zachary Kelly
Zachary Kelly

is that why dick is small?

Jaxson Nguyen
Jaxson Nguyen

you fucking mong, I'm not citing the ecigarrete-politics link, I'm citing the article it links that Cred Forums spergs at for no apparent reason.

I prefer the term, nanny state.

Jackson King
Jackson King

Lobbyists for tobacco companies pay for studies to be done all the time look at
Food and Chemical Toxicology, Volume 40, Issue 1, January 2002, Pages 93–104

John Miller
John Miller

Cigarettes do shit to your hormones, so smokers end up impotent. Which is why Jews like people smoking, so they can sell them viagra.

Because you're a leftist with no foresight, or concern for your people. Or you probably only care about (((your people).

Jose Watson
Jose Watson

doesn't reduce the validity if the methodology is correct.

Nolan Powell
Nolan Powell

1. not a leftist
2. I am concerned about people. You're the one who dismisses the real human costs that $20/pack has on smokers, many of whom are our political allies and many more of whom are patriarchs and productive members of society.

Chase Green
Chase Green

You're the one who dismisses the real human costs that $20/pack has on smokers
That's like caring about the cost of a key of cocaine. Why should anyone care about the cost of willingly poisoning oneself?
many of whom are our political allies
(((Yours))) perhaps.
and many more of whom are patriarchs and productive members of society.
They'd be more productive without such a toxic vice.

Parker Nelson
Parker Nelson

That is why it is LD50 and not LD100. Jesus this board has gotten stupid. LD50 of nicotine is 6.5 -13.5 mg/kg. So for your fat ass, 650 mg will kill you with 50% probability. Same as cyanide.

Alexander Cooper
Alexander Cooper

If its the one by that journal number
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880486/
by
skadden.com/professionals/bernd-r-mayer

which are the lawyers for this company
sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1612432/000104746914007932/a2221414zf-1.htm

which
We are a world-leading e-cigarette company. According to Frost & Sullivan, we were the second largest e-cigarette designer and manufacturer in the world in terms of both revenues and production volume in 2013.

So the reason that ecig company had the link is because their lawyer lobbyist shill wrote the study and paid to have the advertising put it at the top of the search results.

Sebastian Jones
Sebastian Jones

Except the numbers are based on the dry weight, which is not ionized, moron. Go have a smoke.

Dylan Evans
Dylan Evans

m8 your arguments are all shit, and even if I did point the flaws out to you with perfect eloquence you would hold to them. You're a 16 year old edgy shill who supports creeping fascism, not only for your ideal government, but for the leftist nanny state Aussie government.

Connor Reyes
Connor Reyes

well if you read the article you might have seen that the evidence for a 60 mg lethal dose really is lacking, regardless of their motivations for pointing that out.

What evidence do you have (primary source) for such a low lethal dose in humans?

Connor Flores
Connor Flores

even if I did point
But you won't. Because your position is based on feels, probably due to your nicotine cravings.
but for the leftist nanny state Aussie government.
It's a right wing nanny-state. Curious to see what Hillary will do to yours.

Chase Roberts
Chase Roberts

I have been the more reasonable of us two. Nice b8

australia
right wing
HAHAHHAA I can't believe you exist. Yep 15 year old nanny state feminazi confirmed

Andrew Foster
Andrew Foster

I have been the more reasonable of us two.
Really? "Duuude, smokes are like, really important for families and shit. Anyone who disagrees is a fascist."

And it's not surprising you don't recognise Australia is rightwing. Given that you probably think the USA has "Freedom™ "

John Moore
John Moore

Duuude, smokes are like, really important for families and shit. Anyone who disagrees is a fascist.
yeah I guess that's how my argument would sound if you interpret everything as an emotional 16 year old nanny state shill, kek

Dylan Reyes
Dylan Reyes

Forensic Science International
Volume 195, Issues 1–3, 25 February 2010, Pages e19–e22

Justin Stewart
Justin Stewart

yeah I guess that's how my argument would sound if you read back through the posts
FTFY.
You've really not put forth a compelling argument for compassion towards smokers or other addicts.

Benjamin Hernandez
Benjamin Hernandez

I can't get past the paywall. Is
The postmortem data reviewed by Maehly and Bonnichsen (1963) and more recently by Corkery et al. (2010) and Solarino et al. (2010) revealed minimal nicotine blood levels of 2 mg/L, but rapid decline of blood nicotine after death (Sanchez et al. 1996) may have led to underestimation of the actual lethal concentration in delayed autopsies.

accurate?

You haven't put forth a compelling argument this thread

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