MGTOW blown the fuck out

Mgtow is just informing you of your options before you throw your life away. No reason to not fuck women. More butthurt women trying to steal shit from men. Lol being a neet is a-okay if your parents are rich.

I know one of these migtow guys in real life.
He has literally never even asked a girl out yet blames women for all the problems in his life.

kek, nice. This is spot on. I hate MGTOWs. Even if I'm effectively MGTOW. None of this should be actively encouraged like they do. It's OK if you chose to not get married or to not bother with women. It shouldn't be shamed like it is. But no one should be encouraged to be like this. Not putting women on a pedestal, or not marrying some cunt who just want a provider, etc, is one thing. But deciding that all women are bad, or that you'll never be able to successfully deal with them in a long-term relationship, and swore them off on principle, is just retarded. If *all* women are bad, then there's something wrong with YOU desu. There's no reason to swear off romantic relationships and marriage completely. Keep the option open, even if you're not looking for it and don't care much. Don't hate on all women. Most MGTOWs just aren't coping with their negative emotions very well.

There is a VERY VERY good reason to to have sex with women, and that's because adultery is a sin!
Sex between a husband and his wife that is a WOMAN not WOMEN is the only form of sex allowed.

And why is "checking out" inherently bad? The answer is that it isn't. If you are happy living your life without women, then good for you. It isn't problematic or bad by any standard.

preach

MGTOW are even more pathetic than those Nu-male SJW cucks who would cut their balls off to see their fat feminist friend (not girlfriend because strong indypndent-wymon no need no man).

*naked

>But who will pay for the 200 dollars hour sessions now? This must cease. We must shut it down.

>MGTOW
>trump general

pick 2

You quite literally said it in your post.

>hurr men and women are degenerates
>hurr it's only the men who don't deserve a decent girl, I won't mention how women don't deserve decent men if they don't earn it.

Faggot. You woman worshiping Cred Forums faggot.

Everyone will just ignore it because of my flag and talk about how degenerate they are, then will go make a thread about how they can't find a non degenerate girl then post half naked blonde girls

Kek, all the MGTOW guys I know are like that, too. And boy, are they bitter as fuck.

Oh, wrong post.

>Therapist resorts to ad homs instead of addressing their points.
>Best insult she has is that they sound like women

She is part of the problem.

SHOW ME WHERE I SAID
Men don't deserve a decent women
I will pay you $1,000,000 if you can find where I said that

>Waah waah why are they not OBSESSED with my pussy like those other beta orbiters are waah virgins betas hahaha cant have sex sour grapes lol WAAAAH

I'm bitter on the subject of women too; but that's because I have routinely made the mistake of trusting them (in 'romantic relationships' specifically)

listen to this based leaf, ya'll mothafuckas need jesus

>
>These men don't deserve a decent girl
Pay up kike.

instead of examing the claims and reasoning of mgtow stupid women like this call them little girls or say its sour grapes

this is why men go their own way, to get away from the utter retardation that is most women

His actual greatest fear in life is that he will go to a party, get drugged, rapped by a woman and sued for child support.

>smoke, drink, watch porn, masturbate, aren't physically active and probably do drugs.

What's the problem here?

You think a man who watches porn, who masturbates, who does drugs, who's a drunkard deserves a decent girl?
A decent girl who is prudent, who is modest, who is godly, who does not watch porn or masturbate should be with a guy like that?

I don't date or get women's hopes up because I'm mentally unstable/unfit and I know it.

I guess I'm a mgtow, but the idea still seems childish. There are shitty women and shitty men alike, if you want to protect your shit just don't get married, simple as that.

Everything

>Happiness and Success is dictated by how much pussy you get

have a nice big fat cup of YOU'RE WRONG.

>how much like little girls they sound
epic burn, cause women are always whining and complaining lmao!

It's bad for society. It's completely understandable that people would check out nowadays though. Strong societies require that men have a certain sense of duty, and have a certain selflessness. At the very least for their families. But that's going away. No surprise really. Young boys are being taught in school that they are oppressors and their culture is bad. Why bother.

...

I'm not vested in your stupid argument. You asked someone to point it out, and I did. Tick tock leaf, I'm waiting on my money. Ask Trudeau, he's always giving gibs me dats to people.

>implying feminism hasn't devolved into a petulant revenge strategy

If women seek alimony for the "careers" they would have had if they weren't stay at home mom or girlfriends, why can't men seek prostitution money for all the other female sex partners they missed out on while being with this one girl?

Jesus please tell me this is a joke.

I never said and I quote "men don't deserve a decent woman" I said THESE men meaning degenerate men don't deserve a decent woman. Check your own quote

Right? That's the response from a college educated therapist? What a cunt.

kek why doesn't he get a vasectomy then? Then he might hope it'll happen. Besides, most MGTOWs are dysgenic, women wouldn't want his child even for the child support money.

>I guess I'm a mgtow, but the idea still seems childish.
That is because they are childish in how they handle this. If they really were "going their own way" they wouldn't be constantly talking about it. They would simply move on and live their life. Instead, they are constantly talking g about women or signaling to establish their "strong independent man who doesn't need no woman" status. It is fucking pathetic.

he thinks its worse than being an STD ridden skank.

Don't swear them all of, just some
Not every girl is out to play games
What this fags don't want is to settle, understandable

Right in your last post

Men have become pathetic and so easy to be manipulated. The real cucks are men who accept radical new age sluts to do as they please while they are treated like a dog on a leash. At any given moment being left for a more obedient slave. Have some self respect.

Honestly fampai, I've become a recluse in my 30s. I'm completely turned off from women with my experiences with them through my teens and 20s. But I don't really care one way or the other about MGTOW.

I just don't want to deal with some emotional cunt rambling about whatever shit is in her head who's going to take half my lifetime accumulated wealth when some blog tells her that she's a racist if she doesn't cheat on me with som nigger or some bullshit. Why the fuck put yourself through that?

But at the same time, I'm indifferent to the whole thing. Being a recluse works for me, I don't really give a fuck what you do.

How about you check your privilege.

A FUCKING WHITE MALE

>You cannot have a successful, happy life when you check out. I mean, that's what they're doing is checking out.
If MGTOWfags think the deal is rigged against them, why shouldn't they leave thetable rather than continue supporting an arrangement against their interests?

>how much like little girls they sound,
>that just doesn't have a good feel at all
>“It sounds like sour grapes to the max
all it's missing is characterizing the group of virgins[spoiler] which they are desu[/spoiler]

there really needs to be a women arguing bingo sheet

Is anime degenerate too?
What about 2D porn?

We are talking about MEN go their own way, this thread is about men. We can make another thread about degenerate women if you want. The fact is both genders are mostly degenerate, this is what I said in the beginning 99% of me are degenerate and 99% of women are Read this Check this guys quote Now check my post Can anyone on this read?
>These men don't deserve a decent girl, they're sick degenerates who will likely end up in Hell
>these men
Do you know what this means?
The men I talked about in my post who don't here degenerate activities. I can't believe I have to explain this, school isn't finished yet why are you kids posting here?

this, just get good taste in women

cheat code for avoiding shit women: women whos parents arent divorced

I thought MGTOW was about marriage laws and long term relationships

When did they choose to be celebate? I don't want to be married (more specifically, I don't want to find myself divorced at any stage) but that isn't going to put me off getting laid unless I'm misunderstanding something?

Pic related, more what I'm thinking of

>A decent girl who is prudent, who is modest, who is godly, who does not watch porn or masturbate should be with a guy like that?
have you been watching too much disney or what?
how exactly is watching porn with the missus bad? female masterbation can also be a good replacement for TV,..
what you do in private has nothing to do with decency.

Men can play this game to. Join the he-man woman haters club.

ALL porn is degenerate, anything that is sexual in nature besides sexual intercourse with your husband (if you're a woman) or wife (if you're a man) is degenerate.
I don't watch anime but I don't see the problem with some decent ones, the edited version of dragon ball Z is good because they got rid of the gross sexual jokes (Japan seems to like them a lot) and I know one company (I think it was nippon animation?) that makes animes based on classic western stories like Anne of green gables and a little princess. I don't see a problem with these, it's better than most western children's cartoons and I think it's good for kids to learn about these classic stories when they're young so they get interested in reading the books.

Red the bible

>this, just get good taste in women
>cheat code for avoiding shit women: women whos parents arent divorced
Cheat code for avoiding the shit women? you should get out of the house more also when it comes to shit women most of them are shit and it does not matter whether or not they have a father in their life.

The thing is to avoid all long term relationships with them including marriage and only using them for sex or if you really find a hot one use it to have your kids but other then that no.

I think you should have said: "these degenerate people don't deserve good people."

Having been on the dating scene for over 15 years, while dating a variety of women I have come to the following conclusion. Women, no matter the age or demographic, are overgrown children.

They cry. They have emotional outbursts. They have no concept of consequences. They love being pampered, but hate pampering.

If you don't like children, don't date. The level of emotional maturity is the same. There is literally nothing wrong with not seeking long term relationships.

>inb4 its bad for society.

The same society that shits on men non stop? With the way things are going now, I could give a fuck less about society as a whole.

Let it burn.

>only using them for sex or if you really find a hot one use it to have your kids
Yeah OK sure, nothing wrong with you.

Literally nothing wrong with choosing not to have half your shit taken in the court

Most couples don't have fucking kids anyways

What's the point of having sex if you're not going to have kids? Answer: there is no point

These men is clear enough, if the grade niners on this site can't understand something as clear as that that's not my problem. And to be honest I think they're just shitposting because of my flag, everyone suddenly turns into the most degenerate person in the world when I quote the bible

>Yeah OK sure, nothing wrong with you.
I already know i am a scumbag tell me something new Canadian cuck?

>>You cannot have a successful, happy life when you check out. I mean, that's what they're doing is checking out.

What the fucks wrong with checking out though? I'm 36. I've been single probably 6 months total in my life. Even then I was still banging chicks. I'm twice divorced. I'm breaking up with my current girlfriend because I want to be single. I don't want to date anyone for several years, maybe longer.

Does that mean I'm a woman hating crybaby just because I don't even know who I am outside of a relationship and I just want some solitude to find myself? Do I automatically get lumped in with the MGTOW crowd too?

Not amounting to anything.

Go make something of yourself, nerds.

>decent
>girl

Pick one

All I can say: thank fuck I'm among the 1% of the population with no sexual attraction. It's actually helped me a lot in situations where other men would have been manipulated by their dick

>How can migtau cucks ever recover? By having sex, maybe?
Recover from having 100% of my time spent on things I like, 100% of my money spent on things I like, no whinging or moaning or orders or chores or bitching.

However will I recover from this?

If you look at this response to MGTOW it's the same as every blue pill reeponse to MGTOW, it's full of shaming language which is designed to control the actions of men by attempting to make them feel bad and consequently change their behaviour.

Only it doesn't work against MGTOW because we understand blue pilled normie behaviour and we dismiss it.

Oh I'm a kissless virgin, I've never touched another girl, my dick is literally less than 1 inch, my balls are like raisins, women don't respect me, they'd never talk to me let alone fuck me, women are so the best and they don't want to have anything to do with me, I'm such a cuck of the highest order...

What has that achieved? Nothing, I'm still a MGTOW and I'm still opting out. Shaming doesn't work, it has never worked. There's never been a sentance aimed at a MGTOW that said "well you just can't get pussy" and that MGTOW has said "ohhh you're right, better not be MGTOW then and services womens every whim"

>ALL porn is degenerate
Honestly, I think porn is kind of bad, but not DEGENERATE. If I didn't watch porn I'd probably have bought hookers or possibly got lucky with some random cunts or got into a relationship with the first one giving me some attention, even if she made me miserable. Possibly catching STDs. It keeps a lot of men out of trouble desu. You can't just wish away the male sex drive. It's not reasonable to expect everyone to be able to ignore it, it's not going to work.

>A woman belittles the maturity and sex appeal of the man as an argument
Jeez what a shock.

this

Schopenhauer thought they were caught between some weird point between childhood and adulthood

There are females like that?

Where? Maybe in Islamic countries?

Newsflash: those women are not "good" they're that way because they're kept under control

Decent people don't feel sexual attraction because lust is a sin
You're addicted to a drug, that's why you can't admit it's degenerate. Trust me and try and quit your life will improve I guarantee it

This

Go ask a faggot

Go ask someone like me that doesn't get sexually attracted at all

>God

Just like finding a decent guy who tries his best to follow the bible is very hard the same is true for women.
The bible says a prudent wife is a gift from God, can you honestly say "I deserve this gift from God?" Honestly most if not all of us here probably don't, just look at this thread with all the people saying it's okay to watch porn and do drugs. They won't find this gift from God because they reject God

Just bide your time and find a good girl, buddy. It'll happen. Honest advice look for a Christian girl. Any 'Worldly-traveled Atheist' is going to cheat on you in 2 months as she'll get bored.

>Based Schopenhauer.

Is this not true though? I've dated enough women to notice trends in their behavior over periods of time.

>My political leanings becomes theirs.
>My sense of humor becomes theirs.

Once they feel as though they have "dominated" you, they get comfortable, and stop trying.

If you're MGTOW can't you still fuck women though?

I mean they raise some valid points - it's not just some hidden internet group of aspies, men are checking out in large numbers everywhere.

What part of MGTOW says you cant fuck women? Isn't MGTOW about fucking women on your own terms, not becoming attached to them, and living your own life for your own self not on their terms?

If so I don't see the problem with it. Until the legal system is changed, marrying or dating women is a loss. You would be better off keeping your options open and fucking who you want.

This is coming from somebody who seriously wishes we could go back to the times where relationships were worth it. Nowadays 90% of the time you are going to get burned bad.

Men are much more powerful when single following they are not an aspie. The options for sex are crazy - you can fuck as many women as you want using apps like Tinder. Why restrict yourself to being enslaved in a relationship? Settle in your mid 40's or something with some mid 20 to early 30's year old if you get lonely. Youth is fleeting, hold on to your market value while you can.

>avoid
Sucks that you have to go out of your way to avoid them, they are so pervasive that u actually have to make changes to your life just not to run into one,
Like a clingy ex who can't get the hint and just dissapear.

>What has that achieved? Nothing, I'm still a MGTOW and I'm still opting out. Shaming doesn't work, it has never worked. There's never been a sentance aimed at a MGTOW that said "well you just can't get pussy" and that MGTOW has said "ohhh you're right, better not be MGTOW then and services womens every whim"
Heh I guess you're right. For the real MGTOWs anyway. They would need an actual reason to change their minds. Probably has to come from within themselves desu.
But shaming might work on the pretend MGTOWs who are just bitter. Or on those who might be starting to see the appeal of that childish attitude since other people are doing it.
But the real MGTOWs shouldn't try to convince other people of being this way. They're encouraging too many people to just give up and pretend they didn't want it. They should just preach to them to be CAREFUL.
And there are also those that truly don't want it and need to stop lying to themselves that they do. But this is A LOT more rare.

mgtow here, ive been asked out several times and i turned every one of them down

>thou shalt not edge yourself to scat porn on the sabbath
oh fuckkkkk

>Decent people don't feel sexual attraction because lust is a sin
that's just sad dude, what's wrong with sexual attraction? provided you act responsibly anyway.
a life without attraction sounds boring as fuck.
do you brainwash yourself into ignoring it or you just actually never felt it?

That's actually really sick you would make a joke like that, I hope you don't partake in disgusting activities like these.

I'm in my early twenties and I agree. I wonder how he'd feel if he was plowing chicks left and right. Every girl I've trusted has bent me over. I'm jaded, but I keep falling back into long term relationships. It feels nice to have a partner

Sexual attraction is dehumanising, also it's sexually immoral. It's why there's so many problems in our society today, people don't feel attraction on whether someone is a good person or not just on their sexuality. It's sick and it's wrong.
Sexual attraction is not attraction, see this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about, you don't even know what attraction is without sex being involved.

No, this guy is right Again, you specifically singled out men and said they aren't entitled to good women, yet you omitted to mention the inverse for women. And that's because, like Cred Forums, you worship women and you're a faggot.

The very fact that you disagreed with the guy who said you should have said "people" is blatant proof you got caught and now you're trying to do damage control.

I do all of those things and have a gf. Stop making us leafs look bad, it's hard to travel outside the country these days.

>"What struck me was, how much like little girls they sound,”
well how's that for a professional psychiatric opinion

>family therapist
>therapist
oh wait, she's not even a real doctor. She's just a scam artist who profits of dysfunctional relationships.

wonder why she's trying to maintain the male-female status quo

>MGTOW does the exact same thing feminists do
>It's sour grapes when men do it though

Wow, talk about getting rekt. I don't think MGTOW will ever recover imotbphwyf

I don't like MGTOW, but Nise sounds like she's upset. It sounds like she's mad that you can't be a whore without consequences.

PSA for women - If you've ever had sex with a man, no other man can ever truly love you.

I'm not even religious and I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But...
>Decent people don't feel sexual attraction because lust is a sin
you're not being reasonable.
I think society is wayy too sexualized and that people don't appreciate each others enough for who they are and their values, and don't get their lust under control, etc.
But you're pushing this too far. Sexual attraction is DEFINITIVELY something that humans feel. It's unavoidable. It doesn't have to control them, but still.

By your late 20's the brainwashing will subside, and that feeling will wain.

I know

But I have a legitimate doctor confirmed condition where I cannot get attracted or have meaningful sex or even just fap. Even if I had a wife and tried to have children no sperm would come out so basically I have chosen to not have relationships because lack of attraction and lack of ability to have children would mean I am simply taking a woman from someone who can have kids

I can only assume I was put here for purposes where attachment and children would be a drawback. What that purpose is I don't know yet. Maybe I'm just destined to become a martyr or sacrifice for the greater restoration: no kids nobody to miss me
Or maybe I'm supposed to be a leader of something and am like this so I cannot be manipulated

>"What struck me was, how much like little girls they sound,”

SEXISM IS OKAY WHEN WE DO IT!!

WHEN DID I SAY I WORSHIP WOMEN? I DONT WORSHIP ANYONE THATS A SIN!

I SAID THESE THESE!!!!!!!! MEN DONT DESERVE A DECENT WOMAN! CAN YOU READ!
IM SICK OF THIS SITE IM DONE ALL YOU ATHEISTS CAN JERK OFF TO YOUR ANIME AND COMPLAIN ALL YOU WANT
Make us look bad because I'm talking about the bible? I'm not saying you have to avoid that to have a girlfriend but you won't get a decent girl if you're a sicko who watches porn.
READ
THE
BIBLE
LUST
IS
A
SIN!
It's not a hard concept to understand

>reminder that while /pol9k/ virgins spend their weekends tabbing out of TF2 to whine about women on here, even skinny Chinamen are scoring QTs

>masturbating means you don't deserve a good woman
Enjoy your 50%+ increased chance of prostate cancer dumbass, which already affects 1 in 3 men. Empty your balls every few days.

Do you seriously trust these (((scientists)))?

looking for a mate based on physical attraction has always been a thing, look at nature, just because some dude wrote a book saying it's bad does not make evolution wrong.

you are attracted to physical beauty then stick around if she's good to be around, and don't if she's a bitch.

and inner beauty alone is for ugly people,.

>Heh I guess you're right. For the real MGTOWs anyway. They would need an actual reason to change their minds.

Right, MGTOW behaviour comes from cost/benefit and risk analysis of the options available to men with modern women, so reasons to change your mind doesn't come from women and other blue pill beta males shaming us, it comes from actual changes in situation for me. None of which has occurred or likely ever will occur.

Yeah there's always accusations that some men aren't real MGTOW and they're just using it as some excuse, will shaming work on those men? Who knows. How about this? Is there any evidence what so ever that suggests men adopting the MGTOW label have gone back to chasing pussy?

Where's the verified accounts of MGTOWs describing their MGTOW-like behaviour and then describing how they stopped and became normal again?

It doesn't exist, yet many people who claim to be Red pilled on this forum and on many other places online, still continue with the "lol beta male pussy whipped retard" comments, almost as if reality doesn't matter, they're just going to sperg shit no matter what.

Finding someone physically attractive isn't sexual attraction! Get sex out of your mind for one second of your life, you can say hey that's a good looking girl without it being sexual.

honestly, I think the least productive thing you can do to understand or convert a MGTOW is have a woman call them childish. They're like Trump supports; being hated or misunderstood "by the majority/popular culture" or whatever, is their identity. They thrive on it.

But AGAIN, you specifically complained about men. Why did you not mention how women don't DESERVE a man by default either? You even disagreed with the guy who said you should have said "people" instead.

I don't watch anime, I'm just contesting this narrative modern western society has that men are bad and women are good, and that men are sexist and horrible and misogynistic if we don't date women. I disagree with those ideas and I am opposing them. Why are women OWED male validation, but men aren't? No, I refuse to accept that.

The point is not whether you can score them or not. With today's sluttery you have to be a hobo o not score somethig. The point is that they will cheat on you, divorce you, make you pay alimony and chid support and the government will happly obligue her every extortive whim on you.

This. Real men don't need any tricks to affirm their ambition.

Does MGTOW still fuck women?

Well... Lust is defined as a "very strong sexual desire". Soooo, how strong a sexual desire do you have to have for your waifu to be able to fap to her? I'd say moderate desu. I mean, it's clearly not just physical, she's not even 3D.

Fair enough

I don't watch porn (except what they used to test me to see if I had any sexuality at all)

The only "drugs" I have ever done are very moderate alcohol use (like maybe 2 beer every be of the month with a friend type of thing) and legal medicines when I am sick

Yet I still have figured out that god or whatever has decided I'm not supposed to have a wife

IM IGNORING EVERYONE WHO KEEPS SHITPOSTING ABOUT HOW I SAID SOMETHING WHICH I NEVER SAID

SHUT UP WITH THESE STUPID QUESTIONS YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ASK DUMB QUESTIONS LIKE THIS!.

>Cred Forums worships women
Just how new are you

You're delusional. If prostate cancer was a jewish conspiracy, they'd be selling you pills to disintegrate excess semen, not saying "hey this process that takes 5 minutes and you can do yourself with no outside aids on your own time is a great preventative." Get your fucking head checked leaf, but then again, I'm sure this is just an elaborate shitposting campaign.

Kek

Yes, just no long term relationships

No. Reply to me and and address what I said. You got caught and now you are trying to do damage control. Why are you running away from this? Don't. Examine your anti-male hatred and change it.

WHY ARE WOMEN OWED EVERYTHING YET MEN ARE OWED NOTHING??? WHY DO YOU THINK THAT????

All discussion of this topic that does not mention no-fault divorce, or the penalization of masculinity during the government pedestalization of femininity, is spam. As soon as you mention those things the "video games" psych-out is vaporized. There is nothing immature or petulant about fearing an out-of-control government.

I've been here for over 2 years now, FAGGOT.

Masturbation is sexually immoral, being sexually immoral makes it harder to get into Heaven.
Can you connect the dots?

Sex is overrated
I'm a KHHV, 22 years old and proud of it.

>according to the MGTOW dudes who are either A: bitter divorcees or B: long-term virgins with no relationship experience

A balanced crowd, no doubt.

People would be less mocking of this shit if it wasn't 95% dudes who are like 25 but have never felt a tit. Unfortunately, it is, so....

I don't have a problem with it. Rope yourselves off from society - it just increases the percentages for us normal people - but shut the fuck up about it. MGTOW are basically like trannies in that regard.

WHEN DID I EVER SAY I HATE MALES!?!?!?!L!!!!!!
STOP SHITPOSTING IM TIRED OF THIS!
ITS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO TALKAB OUT THE BIBLE ON THIS GARBAGE WEBSITE EVERYONE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAS TURNED INTO THE MOST DEGENERATE ATHEIST YOU CAN IMAGINE

>Does MGTOW still fuck women?

Look at it this way; think of the normies you know who get laid on the reg and think how many of them would know what the fuck you were on about if you mentioned 'MGTOW'. Yeah, exactly.

If that was true you'd know the general attitude on Cred Forums towards the average modern woman, and also you wouldn't paint the whole board as if it's one person with one opinion. You're probably a gamergate era refugee from Cred Forums

You're going to base whether proven medical science is a (((conspiracy))) or not on your worship of a jew?

>STOP SHITPOSTING
>IM NOT SHITPOSTING THOUGH WHILE ROLLING ALL CAPS
High quality discourse befitting the board. I've gotta stop replying to leaves. This will be my last.

>Does MGTOW still fuck women?
Some do, most typically it's rejection of marriage and children and some MGTOW reject LTRs but certainly not all reject sex, mostly through friensd with benefits or fuck buddies.

>People would be less mocking of this shit if it wasn't 95% dudes who are like 25 but have never felt a tit. Unfortunately, it is, so....
I ask this of everyone that quotes stats, is this empirically verified, is there some hard data you have on MGTOW that none of us are aware of? Or is it what we all suspect, that it's nothing more than your emotional reaction to MGTOW.

You do know that emotional reactions such as this, things which make you feel more comfortable about the lies you tell yourself, is the very definition of blue pilled behaviour.

It's awesome if you have evidence, care to provide your sources?

ever since trump all you Americans turned into complete leftists.

Cancucks

>cost/benefit and risk analysis
It's hard to think like this desu. Love and a family is something that most people want so damn bad. And they should too, it's a good thing. But there just aren't enough good women for everyone. And by good I just mean that they don't plan in advance on driving you mad, cucking you and divorcing you. But one should still strive to find the good ones.

But yeah, if you don't find a good woman I agree to NOT get married just for the sake of it. Because society encourages you to do that. And it's ridiculous.

But many of the MGTOWs go farther than that and seem to generalize all women, claim that all marriages are too risky for everyone. Statistically it seems risky. But you can put efforts into making it less risky, for your case, and try to meet the right women too, and maybe treat them differently. I don't like how some MGTOWs seem to claim that marriage is always a bad deal.

>It's bad for women.

FTFY

I like the idea of MGTOW. If only more guys did it. Cock-starve these cunts.

Do people like you just have race mixing images and webms saved on your computer? Are you really this sad?

>joining an autistic virgin rage group because you hate women
>not just being gay and not give a single fuck about cunts one way or another

Not an argument

Everyone giving this leaf so much hate. What he's saying is if you act like a degenerate you don't deserve a good woman. You deserve a good woman when you make yourself a good man through your habits.

The leaf isn't saying (at least from what I can tell) that somehow degenerate women deserve affection and companionship whereas degenerate men deserve nothing. On the contrary leaf is just specifically addressing these men of MGTOW, and that THEY do not deserve a good woman if they do nothing but cry and continue to be degenerates.

Women and what they deserve is a separate topic entirely

>being mentally ill
I think I'll pass.

Faggots are worse than women. They have the worse traits of men, and also the worst traits of women.

No. I was confused by the whole gamergate thing, FAGGOT. But Gamergate was the response to the feminist slut toxicity that has consumed the internet since 2013. And to be honest, GamerGate only put a small dent in that. But when it was happening, I was too depressed to care about it at the time.

YOU SAID YOU HATED MALES FROM YOUR FIRST POST UP UNTIL THE ONE I'M REPLYING TO. SERIOUSLY. YOU EVEN DISAGREED WITH THE GUY WHO SAID YOU SHOULD SAY "PEOPLE" INSTEAD OF "MEN".

WHY DO YOU THINK WOMEN ARE OWED MALE VALIDATION WHILE MEN ARE OWED NOTHING???

Damn I gotta use that move. Well played

>too many modern women are too degenerate to wife
>so join the ultimate degenerate subgroup that is homosexuality
I expect better out of you, Spadre

>real men

Yeah, you're right, dude. I need to have performed an extensive survey of MGTOW dudes to reach the conclusion that they're weird virginal types with limited social lives. It's not as if they betray that with every utterance.

Also, please post a pic of yourself shirtless in front of a mirror because have an inkling most of your bros are fat as well.

>guy gets repeatedly sent his own way by women
>"I-I'm totally g-going my own w-way, you guys!"

>MGTOW argues that they don't want to "man up" and deal with women's bullshit
>rebuttal is "man up"
not one of these losers but jesus christ

I was born into an upper-middle class family and a lot of my friends are quite wealthy. I happen to think that there is more MGTOW behavior among the higher classes than anywhere else.

Rich men are afraid of losing what they have through divorces and mostly just use attractive women for short term dating or sex. There isn't a bitter hatred towards them, but there is definitely more avoidance of things like financial commitment or getting the state involved in your love life. If you listen to them talk, their concerns sound like a less whiny and more pragmatic version of the MGTOWs on /r9k/.

>family therapist
>still doesn't understand what drives men to give up on women
Sounds like just more damage control to me. They'll say anything to avoid having to change their sociopathic behaviors.

It's not hard to think like that, at least it's not naturally hard. What makes it difficult is when men base their self-worth off what women want and what other beta men want, that we become subservient to women. That's when you see people using peer pressure to shame men into behaving the way that they want, and the article quoted in the OP is the perfect example of this. "Oh don't MGTOW sounds like little girls", it's designed to trigger the opposite response in your mind "well i don't want women to see me as a little girl, better do everything they ask, even if it costs me and benefits them"

Look if that's what you want to do, benefit women at the loss of your own soverignty then go right ahead, MGTOW aren't stopping anyone. We're simply saying that we're a group of men no longer going to stand for this and we've given this collective disobedience a name and that label is MGTOW. Adopt it or not, that's up to you.

Yeah too right there's fuck all good women, between the whores and the women raping men via alimony and child support, the massive divorce rate, the reliance on government to fuck men over for the benefit of women. It's the sane men that ask "how will this end for me?"

Marriage isn't always a bad deal, some men do very well out of it, a good marriage lengthens a mans lifespan, decreases stress, gives him a sense of fullfilment.

But then if I told you that it's OK, and I hand you a box of grenades, and tell you that only 50% of them are live/working grenades, and the rests are duds. Are you going to start enthusiastically pulling pins. That's a rhetorical question, something to mull over in your spare time.

What if the Jewish conspiracy is to feminize men?

If you don't fap your test spikes to a 150% increase on day 7, then settles down to 30% over baseline after that.

So someone who never faps would have a 30% higher test then someone who faps everyday.

That's not even getting into Chinese theories of Chi being wasted during ejaculation (which I sincerely believe has truth to it).

Yeah. We should be in it together, but we're not.

As it is, men contribute to society and women benefit from it. The service industry is artificial and doesn't provide what civilization truly requires to function. It's subsidized by the petro-dollar scheme. Welfare for single mothers is a yuge tax sink and workers pay for that, even if they're single.

But this is being done on to us on purpose. We're divided. Gender against gender, race against race. Class warfare has never been so strong (with mass immigration and globalization).

Those that check out of society are being replaced by immigrants.

It's demoralizing. Our culture is dying.

have you actually met many gays?
Gays are not some group you join, the implications in my post are that it's better to be gay than a low energy mgtow follower

MGTOWs are stupid.
I understand the not getting settled down part but damn, calling off all women is just deplorable.
It means all they do is fap.
Imagine that.
Never getting any tail. Just mitt.
Ridiculous.

>Yeah, you're right, dude. I need to have performed an extensive survey of MGTOW dudes to reach the conclusion that they're weird virginal types with limited social lives.
Pic related.

Face it, you're doing the same thing that every other blue pill person does when they react to MGTOW. You're reacting emotionally based on how you feel, you're not basing your opinion on facts or data, and when pressed to ask you for some you just assert your opinion.

I can assert my opinion too, that all men who aren't MGTOW are beta-slaves to women and are automatically cucked. Without any evidence I'm just shit talking.

Being red pilled is SPECIFICALLY the rejection of comfortable lies in order to accept uncomfortable truths and the uncomfortable truth here is that 95% of MGTOWs being fat/lame/virigins/kissless or whatever, that's your emotional response and it's not based in evidence, and we KNOW that's the case because even when you're explicitly asked to provide some evidence you're unable to.

And you fall back to the arguement that "you can't prove otherwise", guess what shitheel, that's not how actual rational belief works, if you assert something then you have the burden of proof to back your claim. Either provide evidence for you claim or accept that you're being irrational.

>not one of these losers but jesus christ
I know right. It doesn't matter if you support MGTOW or not, if someone tells you, "hey I've decided to do my own thing because I think shaming men to control them is against my best interests", and the response is to try and shame them into behaving the way you want...then you're being retarded.

Workout regularly and you won't have any issues with testosterone deficiency. I'll take that instead of increasing my chance of prostate cancer, not to mention staying fit and building muscle is something men should be doing anyways. Again, if this was a (((conspiracy))) the advice would be the OPPOSITE of something that will lower your chance of cancer and thus payouts to pharmaceuticals.
Chi shit has no basis in reality, and that idea likely came about from monks noticing they get a little sleepy post-ejaculation.
>My energy has left me! My chi!

>benefit women at the loss of your own soverignty then go right ahead
That's the reasoning that bothers me. You're thinking in terms of groups of people. It's "us against them" with men and women. Marriage is between two individuals. Who should love each others and want a family. One shouldn't get married for any other reason. A lot of the MGTOWs seem to have a very odd attitude desu. They don't seem very romantic. I'm not saying a woman won't screw you over even if you love her, but still. It all depends on WHO you're getting married with. The generalization makes no sense to me. I could agree with MGTOWs more if their message was more to be EXTREMELY careful about marriage, and that it is probably not worth it. You have to be ready to not get married to make a good deal. Like Trump says kek.

all MGTOW guys have small dicks

>I'll take that instead of increasing my chance of prostate cancer

The whole point is those results could have been faked simply to get guys to lower their test levels. Of course working out is good too, but it's not as if they are mutually exclusive. Doing both will raise your test higher and allow you to build more muscle. Ejaculate also contains nutrients you are wasting.

Also, as someone who actually studies and practices Qigong, I can tell you the Chi stuff does indeed have a basis in reality. You dismiss it when you know literally zero about it. The definition of a closed mind.

>fapping reduces test
Is that true?? I think I might have too low test.
I lift and I'm starting to get pretty strong, but I have really bad insomnia issue and I think it messes things up.
If fapping decreases test, why doesn't sex?

Or you could just get a doctor to check your test levels instead of all this broscience crap, you can even get testosterone replacement therapy (legal steroids) if you actually have low testosterone

10/10 shitpost

>Marriage is between two individuals.
No, that's wrong, it's a contract with 3 parties, man, wife and state, and the state hands power and control to women so that they have the upper hand should the marriage end in divorce.

It's not the message of MGTOW that all women aren't marriage material, but rather there's no way to tell what specific women will rape your life and which wont.

100% of people get married thinking that THEIR marriage is the one that's going to work and beat all odds, where as only 50% actually do.Everyone likes to think they're in the 50% that will work but no one ever has any evidence of that.

delet this

>Pay for something you can improve naturally

You rubbing your hands together mate?

Degenerates don't deserve anyone, but we're talking about MGTOWs right now. Those are men. Are you following yet?

What's up with Canada today?

Meh, I don't particularly care anymore.
I have no real love of women due to a fucked childhood around lots of worthless women, so as far as I'm concerned it can all burn.

>paying for medicine
onlyamericanthings.png

Degeneracy isn't about decency. Degeneracy is that which ruins the temperament conducive to civilization. The problem with liberals, SJWs and libertarians is that they don't understand this principle. They think you can make a society built around orgies and smoking weed and it will be just successful as one built around monogamy and duty.
Sexually libertine cultures include:
>African tribes
>Native American tribes
>Germanic tribes
>American blacks

Discipline based cultures include:
>Roman Empire
>Victorian England
>Ottoman Empire
>1950s America

>No, that's wrong, it's a contract with 3 parties, man, wife and state, and the state hands power and control to women so that they have the upper hand should the marriage end in divorce.
If that changed, MGTOWs would change their views right?
>It's not the message of MGTOW that all women aren't marriage material, but rather there's no way to tell what specific women will rape your life and which wont.
Hrm OK. The effect would be the same though: don't get married ever.
>100% of people get married thinking that THEIR marriage is the one that's going to work and beat all odds, where as only 50% actually do.Everyone likes to think they're in the 50% that will work but no one ever has any evidence of that.
Depressing. But statistics aren't necessarily meaningful to the individual. Most people are dumb. I believe most people aren't very loving.
Couldn't MGTOWs advocate more of identifying which 50% you're in? Really depends on you and the woman. It's not like there's NO WAY to tell. This is not random. Marriage fails not only because society actively encourages women to be bad and to divorce (and blue pills will deny this), but because you fail to defend against it. There are still men marrying women not strong enough to resist those negative influences, or not weak enough to be subservient to their man kek. I have a theory that it's the in-between that is a no-go.

>Haha what a bunch of loosers
>t. Julie Nise

Anyone else MSTOW (men sent their own way)? I mean, I guess it's better that the women in this country want nothing to do with me than they be degenerate race-mixers, but it still sucks on a personal level.

test

No i am fine with chicks however i don't want to marry one.

>mfw fit and have college degree with no debt
Roasties mad af

Same goes for rich women too though. My mom refuses to remarry because the financial aspect makes it not worth it.

>Anyone else MSTOW (men sent their own way)?
Yup. Me too.
>but it still sucks on a personal level.
IKTF. I try to be zen about it though. I don't allow negative emotions to affect me too much. Relationships aren't for everyone. I'm not THAT bad, I'm just autistic, awkward and not very attractive. I don't hate women, but most of them are bad. Some of the nicest people I've ever met were women though. But I don't really frequent them because it makes me think of relationships too much. They keep talking about it too, sheesh. And always socializing.
At least I'm not getting into bad relationships and letting people take advantage of me and making me miserable. You have no reason to be miserable when you're by yourself, only you to blame. I keep busy. And VR waifus and robowaifus are coming.

>MGTOW is a kike subversion group.
>Just like feminism, but for guys.

Feminism leads to globalism
MGTOW leads to ???

Besides low birth rates, what are the consequences of MGTOW gaining traction?

when did people start using feel in place of feeling? I've noticed it more and more frequently lately

pretty accurate

>wahhh it's not fair I hate losing at monopoly so I'm just going to quit playing
t. mgtow

Women only like outgoing and muscular guys. Shy and average guys have no chance of getting a girlfriend or getting laid. MGTOW merely consists of people who have realized this and are trying to accept this fact.

leaf is right. If you are too autistic to be social in a social society, your genes do not deserve to pass.

>Besides low birth rates
It's pretty damn serious senpai.
Without progeny, most men do not care about society or its future. There is such a thing as investing in the future. Most men won't do it, and won't care about their government doing it, unless they have children. Women might care, but they're too easily manipulated.
When a citizenry does not care about its nation and does not voluntarily contribute to it and perpetuate its culture, their government has to subjugate them and assume these responsibilities. The elite will be fine though, they'll always be fine. But the people, maybe not so much.

>Ottoman Empire
>not built around orgies, no harem at all
a fucking leaf

I don't like MGTOW either but some criticisms are degenerate as well.

What men desperately need is to stop falling for the divide and conquer that is going on between them and start getting together once again in a healthy pursuit of masculinity, which definitely goes far beyond the petty and pathetic goal of simply convincing some cunt to give you some kids.

Not that the latter isn't important for society and isn't fulfilling with the right woman, but still, males should look beyond that.

What MGTOW fails on its part is that the unwillingness of pursuing women almost constantly seem to turn into a pursuit of the most degenerate and bovine materialistic frivolities.

This has important political consequences.

God makes perfect body. Oops forgot to remove penis skin. Rabbi r u feeling hungry? Fuck off with your kike god. Stop mutilating children before you claim any moral high ground

the people are always drained by the elites anyway. Europe will collapse within our lifetimes. Bringing a kid into that, and making a stable nuclear family is close to impossible. We lost.

>Nise

I think what he means is there is no such thing as a "real man."

Yeah, well put.
>What MGTOW fails on its part is that the unwillingness of pursuing women almost constantly seem to turn into a pursuit of the most degenerate and bovine materialistic frivolities.
I think that when they abandon having a family, a lot of men have no other goals. They are dispirited. They have freedom. They should take advantage of it. They seem too busy having fun just to spite women kek.

I'd love to have children, but there's no hope for guys like me.
see

>The supreme lord of the universe denies me eternal life if I consume a subjectively 'too large' amount of ethanol
>The point where it's too much is conveniently decided by human society and has nothing to do with an absolute universal quantity

Religion seems really silly if you look at it from a broader perspective

>the people are always drained by the elites anyway.
To different extents. If society cannot function without the elite regulating everything, then the exploitation will be greater, and the people powerless.
>Europe will collapse within our lifetimes.
Not sure. I think the Kalergi plan is being implemented. Maybe it will work. But the quality of life will probably go way down.
>Bringing a kid into that, and making a stable nuclear family is close to impossible. We lost.
Maybe. I really don't know...
I thought Poland was doing better in that regard?

Yeah, anybody can become muscular though. I'm getting there. It's easy. The weights go up and down brah.
Shy is no good though, you cannot be shy as a man, women will not tolerate that. Not unless you're really cute. And then again it probably stops being cute soon enough. They can detect a single instant of insecurity and self-doubt. You have to be confident.
But you can fix that too. Honestly I could probably learn how to socialize better. It would take a while though. And it wouldn't help with my face.
If your face is OK then you are a normie and you need to lift and leave your house REEEEEEEEEEEEE.

>They love being pampered, but hate pampering.

I don't know about the flat assed Irish, but my hispanic gf always pampers me when I am sick or tired. I get back rubs, food when I ask for it, pretty much anything really.

All this shit talking on Mexicans here has made you blind to a culture that has some benfits.

>inb4 race mixer

We are both half hispanic and half white, so in reality I am sticking with my own kind.

All these faggots in this thread, my God. You'll think differently after your divorce, believe me.

Glad I have my kids, but I wasted a lot of years on a worthless POS.

It's pretty simple - if you're a man, don't get married. Go the baby mama route if you want kids. If you're a woman, of course you should push for marriage and all the legal protection it provides.

Not true, by the way

someone gets it

>If that changed, MGTOWs would change their views right?
Yes it's likely that if the conditions that surround marriage that make it unfavorable to me, then changed to be more favorable to men, that more men would opt back in.

>Hrm OK. The effect would be the same though: don't get married ever.
The message is don't take unnecessary risks, if arraignment became low risk for whatever reason, men would opt back in.

>Depressing. But statistics aren't necessarily meaningful to the individual.
Depends on the statistics, if you have reason to believe you're outside of the mean average of 50% divorces then provide your evidence and your sources. Provide evidence that these marraiges when they fall apart women will resist the urge to use the power of the state to rape you.

As previously discussed MGTOW are men who are making cost/benefit analysis and risk analysis, if you have evidence to show that the risk is lower than what MGTOW assert, then by all means provide it for analysis.

kek

>"What struck me was, how much like little girls they sound,” Nise says.

Did she degrade men by using women as an insult? Like being a girl is a bad thing? Can this be used against her?

Here is a thread for adults

Are you seriously going to imply that everybody lived the same way the emperor did?
>Muslim empire
>Built around orgies
kill yourself

>Check out any mgtow forum, those guys know they're getting negative press from big names, they just don't give a shit lol.

I posted on an MGTOW forum some years ago. It's hilarious because nobody gives a shit, so they tear the fuck out of everything.

The irony is lost on her.

My nigga
>I know that feel and it feels gr8 m8

>divorce
I gotta say it's terrifying. Just the woman you loved leaving you is bad enough and would make me want to off myself, dealing with all the other shit on top of that would be too much.
>baby mama
How does that work?
I wish they'd remove all those marriage laws. They were supposed to make marriages more stable, now they're actively making them less stable. It looks like at some point they just saw it as a cheap way to get men to pay for children. They didn't care about the other consequences of divorce. Now less people are getting married and having children because it's too dangerous. There are more single mothers than ever and the government pays for it. They should just give welfare to divorced mothers, like the rest.
And yeah, you can't find proof that your marriage will work because of such or such factors being there, or you being part of whatever group of people... Love isn't supposed to work this way senpai. You're both supposed to be special to each others. No idea what I'm talking about though. I just know how it's supposed to be kek. A lot of marriages work out just fine and something must have gone right. I'm sure lots of people tried to analyze that and explain it but it must be full of kikes. Anyway, if you're not a dumb fuck or an asshole and you didn't marry a cunt, your odds are probably way better than 50%, for a start.

Ow the edge

>Instead, they are constantly talking g about women or signaling to establish their "strong independent man who doesn't need no woman" status.

Because it's good to hash things out with like-minded people when the rest of input from society opposes it. There are different perspectives.

Also it's entertaining as all shit.

>I thought MGTOW was about marriage laws and long term relationships
>When did they choose to be celebate?

It's not. There's just a small fraction of MGTOW who check out completely. The media wants to paint this as the dominant group within, to discredit it.

GET OUT DESERT RELIGION
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>If you're MGTOW can't you still fuck women though?

You can do whatever the fuck you want.

...

...

>germanic tribes
>not based
>leaf
delet this

>Roman Empire
>not sexually libertine

u wot m8

this too kek

>shitposting in CAPS LOCK
leaf holocaust when

It's about what you want to do there isn't a set guide book on how to be MGTOW just do what you feel is right

Yeah caligula and nero had strict monigamous relations lmao read a history book you retarded leaf.

just because some patricians were pretty degenerate(and were despised for it) it doesn't mean the fundamental culture of the Romans was degenerate
god I hate you cherrypicking triple niggers fishing for (You)s

I thought the MGTOW types are mostly just guys who never had any chance with women to begin with and now they're trying to save face by associating with this new cringe movement. You can still fuck them, you don't have to marry them.

MGTOW was about dealing with women on your own terms and ducking the obvious cultural/legal biases like marriage, yeah.
It just got hi-jacked by incels.

Based and successful are two completely different things. It doesn't matter how cool their culture was because that doesn't change the fact that they got mowed down by Romans.
Sexually libertine on certain holidays like Saturnalia. A few days a year, they lived like modern young people live their entire adult lives, yes. Most of the time though, they were not like that.
What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, the emperors weren't ascetics obviously, they could do whatever the hell they wanted. Most people, the people who constituted the broad masses, the army, the work-force etc. were monogamous and reserved.

yeah and those were two very loved Emperors right?
why don't you also cite Augustus and his strong push for moral conservatism and disdain for degeneracy?

considering women start 98% of divorces you are better off staying single and just getting one night stands

The route of the holy man is less travelled.

it's all relative and opinions, if someone is happy doing those things why should they change to fit your narrative?

i'm 34 and had a lot of experience with women in my early twenties that really surprised me.
I was a 'loser' virgin type until leaving school then i realized that women are stupid, and testing that theory i fucked 20 women in the span of 1 year all using the same 'trick' tell them what i think they want to hear. At first I thought no way, they will see right through that shit, but no in nearly every case just lying to them worked. then i found a whole other class of female, the ones that are more 'mature'(in mentality) these ones had no opinion or belief of their own.they simply took my opinion on as their own and wanted to please me into making them pregnant.
after that i found 1 woman that had opinions of her own and all my tricks didn't work I married her and have been very happy since.

Still can't get her to watch The wire though, too many Googles.

I've had my share of long and short term relationships and many one night stands, that video you posted makes me cringe, I would not want that annoying broad hanging on me at all, enjoy your breakups and divorces

How many of you white knights got pussy for defending m'ladys here today?

disregard females, acquire currency

Who are we defending kike?

Even if I wanted to find a woman, I have no time, so I'm 'MGTOW' I guess.

>work
>gym
>home
>shitpost
>find time to eat

That's my life right now, which leaves no time for any sort of relationship or sex life. The most sexual excitement I get these days is on the high test threads at /fit/.

This. I hate when my gf clings onto me. I like to pretend we aren't even dating whilst out in public

I think choosing to give up romance can give you a huge amount of time and focus that can be channeled into something healthy and productive, but if you do it out of bitterness than thats where all that extra energy will go and you will just kind of stop growing and refining yourself as a person.

What are the girls like in hebrew-land? Are they as neurotic as the NY Jewish woman stereotype?

>sense of duty and selflessness

To ungrateful entitled women who constantly accuse them of oppresion?

Thats for the cucks

Also meant to ask if they act like typical western girls

THIS.

MGTOW and NEETdom, and ESPECIALLY BOTH TOGETHER mean you are the ULTIMATE goyim SLAVE KEK

>seething

MGTOWs on suicide watch, literally SEETHING

>Dealing with American """""women"""""

The pain, the horror

>that just doesn't have a good feel at all
ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: Women.

Nise isn't wrong, but what I think is interesting is how none of these people noticed how MGTOW parallels feminism in its childish petulance. In fact, I'd go so far to say that they are afraid to mention the parallels because they don't want to get fired.

>us normal people

>Submit to women and you are a kikes slave
>go your own way without women and you are a kikes slave
> working for a buisness making a wage while the neets live off the taxes you pay makes you a kike's slave
>being a neet makes you a kikes slave

WEW LADS, is there any way we can free ourselves?!

>I will pay you $1,000,000 if you can find where I said that
>said that
>that

Not very bright are you leaf?

All of that claims were maed by those whiny virgins about women is 99% true. But they fail to see that women were same thousands years ago too. Men were aware of the truth and they created moral obligations, abstract rules, religions, laws etc. in order to control women simply because of the necessity of survival of their tribes/clans/societies.

MGTOW seems to me is one of jewish tricks. Good goys, white man should stay away from the competition thus negro can impregnate your women. You fools are going to extinct. But survival of the fittests after all. If you are really stupid to dont understand what is happening to the west, you are probably not deserve to exist after all.

wanting to reply for an obvious bait thread, oh well.

you are a man. you can do whatever the fuck you want. you can create,study,explore innovate etc. make a new group, a new community. a new place to live. whatever you want.

woman can't do that. i mean (((technically))) yes they can. but only a handful of them and only at very harsh times.
if woman are having so much trouble finding a decent none manchild man. why they won't start their fucking movement? all i see is woman bitching about guys for having issues while they don't do shit to address the issue.
men playing too much video games? then shit, give them an alternative. don't just sit around and complain.
men made MGTOW because we start shit, woman can't start shit,literally.

For fuck's sake, there are in-betweens.
Don't submit to women, but don't forsake them.
Try to get a better job or start a business.

>all i see is woman bitching about guys for having issues while they don't do shit to address the issue
>expecting women to do anything instead of bending the world to their whims
sexist af, Dalai Lama

He offered no counter argument what so ever

>durrrr they don't post anything positive about women

Gee, I wonder why

>durrr you can't have a successful happy life without women

The hell you can't

reminder that Schopenhauer had a terrible love life

the truth is woman are perfectly content with how things are. they are content with very competitive sexual marketplace. its like selling hotdogs for millions during times of inflation.

they only bitch because they know at any second this shit will collapse like a house of cards.
no more favorable employment, no more benefits. just input/output society.
this is woman's biggest nightmare and people like OP fail to see the big picture

Does anyone hre know how to talk to girls and get love in your life?

could you guide me because love is all there is and i can't get a girl to like me for shit

thx senpai if you have link or guidance. i was adopted
>i'm white tho

>terrible love life
he was a Chad...

reddit r/seduction

Dating which was created by Jews in order to destroy traditional marriage happens only in movies and tv though.

So here's what I find interesting. 15k sure thats a lot of traffic and or people, but why does this matter to anyone? We all know statically if we stick our head out of the ground that plenty of those men were unlikely to find a partner anyway.

The fact that a bunch of men who were unlikely to find love anyway are checking out is a concern to a bunch of men and women show just how much these people hate the idea of someone trying to be independent.

I don't get why anyone would want to be mgtow myself but if they do who fucking cares so long as they don't harass anyone.

It's just like how some people hated wizardchan despite them wanting to just be left alone

I ask you Cred Forums why do people get so booty blasted when men checkout of a losing game?

i was told that was full of cry babies but tahkn you dude i will check it out!

One does not find love by searching for it. It comes to us unbidden, then we give it to others.

youtube.com/watch?v=XB2iSm_BQDU

You need to accept the fact that a woman CAN NOT be "trusted" any more than you would trust your infant child. They are naturally subservient and are happiest when they're being led and dominated by a strong man with options.

Never, ever, EVER consider them as your peer. They are for fucking, kid-making, and fucking. And doing all the shit you don't have time or interest to do, like cleaning and cooking.

They are now, and have always been, 100% accessory.

>I don't get why anyone would want to be mgtow
you will

bro stop being a fucking leaf. a fucking song doesn't help me

i'm looking for guide lines and rules about shit because you can't expect someone with aspergers to be "normal"

but i'll listen to your shitty song, leaf.

Let's get right to the crux of the issue:
sex is a competition, and all competitions have a loser.
This being so, why then is it bad that a significant portion of the male populace that would lose the game anyway simply opt out of playing and put their efforts towards something more accomplish-able, especially since a rudimentary risk-assessment will conclude that the benefits of relationships are far and away outweighed by the risks?

I never understood the whole mgtow community thing, I mean sure the mgtow is a sensible stance, but the whole 'community' is made up of bitter virgin losers and possibly some people who got fucked over by divorces, which is understandable but the fact that they're spending time being losers and talking about how they're strong men who don't need no womyn is just dumb attention-grabbing whining meanwhile people who actually practice this are out hiking or working and minding their own bussiness and living the bachelor lifestyle.

Nah shekelberg I'd like a family one day, even if I get fucked later I can finally rest easy knowing that my genes have been sown,there will be plenty of time to mgtow later in life once I've been turfed by a harpy

Alternatively I might just luck out and have a loving family, you never know!

Involuntary celibacy is nothing to be proud of. It's a slow, pathetic, torturous way of living that leads to early death from the chronic stress and depression of knowing you're unfit for society. MGTOW is just a method of coping for society's undesirables.

t. incel

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You shouldn't be trusting anyone, women or otherwise. Trust is kind of a bizarre concept to me, because it doesn't benefit you and makes you more vulnerable and easy to manipulate. I don't know why it's considered a good thing to totally trust someone. To me it's just foolish.

I've been through a brutal divorce and lost custody of my children to a woman that cheated and abused my seed. I fucking despise women and kikes and that's all there is to it

Just be yourself dude!
Supposedly lots of MGTOWs are players.
People try to shame them by associating them with incels. I think it's wrong if incels pretend to be MGTOWs when clearly they're not happy with it.
But shaming the incels isn't right.
Yeah, the competition is pretty intense. And it never ends, even when in a relationship/married. We can't all win. It sucks.
But women like the competition, and the attention it gives them, and they like to have options. It's all fun for them and they benefit from it. They don't want anybody out of the game.
This has economic effects probably. Men work harder for women. Women are good consumers too.
Heh, yeah. Not all MGTOWs are incels though. Are you even supposed to call yourself MGTOW if you've just given up? Even if you give up, you probably still want it, you're not really MGTOW.

Well, women won't be needed soon.

It's too late for me friend, I'm red blue pilled, I accept I'll be fucked,but playing the game is all there is unless we collapse, as long as I can create I don't mind what occurs, artistry in any form is the best way to at least game the system.

yeah, don't forget about the (((divorce lawyers)))

-Checked- XYZ4 -Senegal-

>"Men, you can't have fun without us!"
>meanwhile it is women who demand that men return to the dating pool

It's working. Women can't enjoy life without men, but men have always been able to be happy without women, going back at least as far as the Greeks.

Ahh yes because you can have a happy life with the overwhelming majority of marriages ending in divorce with the women claming "emotional rape" or "child abuse" so she can claim half or more of what she never earned. Not even MGTOW just a raging alcoholic.

The funniest part about this and that they seem to think someone would care.

>Group of betas swears off having sex with women

>wommen collectively dgaf

well said leaf

same reason women hoot and hollar at the day time public mainstream television shows that are passed off as the true culture and the commercials catering to only women, you know the shows that tell all the women that they don't need no man and how much of a fuck up every male is today. probably the same legit reason. its like people are losers to you because they talk to other people and want to share information.

She's just to use reverse psychology. Fuck her.

Germans had an idea, but you didnt like that

>Heh I guess you're right. For the real MGTOWs anyway. They would need an actual reason to change their minds. Probably has to come from within themselves desu.
>But shaming might work on the pretend MGTOWs who are just bitter. Or on those who might be starting to see the appeal of that childish attitude since other people are doing it.
>But the real MGTOWs shouldn't try to convince other people of being this way. They're encouraging too many people to just give up and pretend they didn't want it. They should just preach to them to be CAREFUL.
>And there are also those that truly don't want it and need to stop lying to themselves that they do. But this is A LOT more rare.
Would you please drop fucking dead? Go and marry then you dumb piece of shit. The only thing men want is to crush pussy and leave not make families.

The entire movement only exists because women don't deserve to have any power in society whatsoever.

Who says Im checking out?

Im 26 years old, make 80k per year as a sailor, work only 6 months out of the year, and travel the world for both work and pleasure. Im 6'2", in great shape, blue eyes and full head of hair.

For one to two months every year I fly over to Thailand and fuck a new woman every night for roughly $30-$50 per chick depending on if I want her to stay around for the entire night or not. Numerous 18-25 year old prime, tight 9/10 pussy- Every. Fucking. Night. I am so oversexed and numb by the time the trip is over that I have no desire to even look in another womans direction for months at a time after I return. I mustve fucked hundreds of different chicks by now, no joke.

Im not officially apart of the formal MGTOW "movement", but I am certain I will never get married. Why bother when I live the life that I do? Anything involving women beyond sex is surely to lead to nothing but trouble down the road.

BTW if BRAD PITT cannot even keep his marriage together then neither can you.

Period.

What? Where is the blown the fuck out? You can still be mgtow and fuck women.

Just focus on the career and makes lots of money and enjoy yourself. How is that difficult? Is this a clickbait thread to get us to open the article?

>“You cannot have a successful, happy life when you check out. I mean, that's what they're doing is checking out.”

im very happy with my purchases when i checx out of the store, but lets assume they mean "harsh talk about women" and or "swearing off on romantic relationships with women" when they say "checx out"

if a successful happy life is defined by having romantic relationships with women. that means they are saying anyone who won't have such a relationship with women including trans and homosexuals along with straight women and every one else who don't date women will never be happy.

second of all i feel pretty happy and i have only been romantically involved for about two years out of my 23 nearly 24 years on this earth.
even if they changed the definition of happy then fine i don't need happy im fine without it. i decide what i want and need. not some used up whores carrying around jamals kids wanting me to play daddy

>OH NOES. BETA BUXES ARE WISING UP
>WHO"S GOING TO PAY FOR OUR VAGINAMONY AND DRIVE ME AROUND!?

More power to Mgtow I say.

>The only thing men want is to crush pussy and leave not make families.
I don't think that's true senpai.
usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/wellness/dating/story/2011/02/men-women-flip-the-script-in-gender-expectation/43219110/1
>Findings show men are more interested in love, marriage and children than their peers in earlier times; women want more independence in their relationships than their mothers did; and hooking up and one-night stands aren't necessarily meaningless sexual encounters.
Welp. I regret looking that up.

>are they bitter as fuck

yeah... kinda like that time you took your first red pill, amirite?

>Rabbi r u feeling hungry?
well if I'm doing the whole celibacy thing, it's not like anyone else is sucking my dick. Do you think Rabbi's will see me yearly or every 6months for a touch up? ...like how they do with LASIK eye surgery? Can women be Rabbis?

Ok?

If women care so little about MGTOW as they say this shouldn't bother them.

Tits or gtfo.

That's interesting about the common law marriage thing, if true. Last I heard, most of the states were phasing out their common law marriage laws.

>get married and cucked for the rest of your life
does this sound like winning to you?

your definition of "losing the game" is flawed

you don't have to play any "game" whatsoever, yet you can still win all day

isn't it possible to go your own way without being spiteful of women? I'm sure plenty of those guys are justified in their position, but frankly I'd rather just be alone