Amerifats think they would stand ANY chance

>Amerifats think they would stand ANY chance

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Sure thing, pal.

we have super scary Jason Bourne-tier stone cold alpha killer guys too

really dude? really?

i suppose it was before his transition

sit the fuck down

murica btfo

Fuck off Croat scum

I really fucking hate that camo. It looks fucking stupid

>no plates
The fucking gall of this Croat

Too bad Russian soldiers mostly are shit-tier conscripted NEETs, even with their fancy new gear -- it's Chainah you needs to worry about..

oh, fuck it's you again...
Listen buddy I'm not your pal friend-o

top kek
we're total scumbags, and we're the best at it

The sheer size of my 430lb body will squash even your finest soldier. My protective layer of blubber renders me immune to your knives and bullets. Bring it on!!

Till you blend into the mountain and surprise haji and his big ass turban

Pictured on the right: all three functional rifles in Russia.

kek.

look how fucking malnurished that russian is.

you think that dude would beat in a fight?

You're welcome for correcting your record.

> implying Russian soldiers aren't dumb drunk Slavs that would get decimated by a professional army

Russia FTW, but I'm not convinced by their military.

our POGs may wear high heels but atleast they don't rape each other in the ass for fun

Trump is friends with Putin so nothing bad will happen.

Bring it on Ivan

>thinks that being lean and fit is a disadvantage
woah,really Amerifat?
Really?

its not rape because they consent

Not all of their military is gay you know.

>Haha, stupid Americanskis with their space age technology, we can defeat them with the power of vodka

This is the only pattern I will ever accept.

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Holy shit what is the scale of this structure?

>implying

> implying Russian soldiers aren't dumb drunk Slavs that would get decimated by a professional army
t.Hitler

usa stronk

>implying our infantry soldiers even matter anymore at all
>implying anything besides nukes matters between us and the ruskies

puny russian lead cant defeat superior AMERICAN MADE™ lard

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It's not just a military question. Which nation would keep fighting after the first million casualties?
We have weak leaders hamstrung by PC and minority rights.
We have about 10 fifth columns within the USA ready to revolt at any time.

Honestly, because we allow shit people power in the USA, we will lose every war from here on out. We have lost since Korea when we quit early after our General wanted to nuke the Chinese hoards.

>ROTC
>soldiers

Pick one and only one.

There are two kinds of dangerous men in the world, and he's both of them.

>Russia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunker_buster

Good read

To be honest I'd much rather be rivals and drinking buddies with Russia instead of open foes.

No point we can't call one another 'dickless faggots' and then slap one another on the back then knock back a few.

Nice penis head helmets and outdated gear.

t. Gearqueer

You don't need to be big in military. It's a pure waste or resources and won't give you any advantage anyways

RIP

7 meters.

This. I'd rather get smashed and operate with the ruskies than kill each other. We can end kebab together...

bigger targets

My sides K9 is muzzled stupid faggot

Why are you posting anti-terrorism units when the amerifat posts actual soldiers?

It depends where the fighting take place. Its natural to not support such loss of life on other half of the world, but keep fighting when enemy is on the gates.

We would have to seriously increase our tolerance to vodka before that; they, as all men, judge others by how well they can hold copious amounts of liquor.

And they're professional drunks. The kind that drink to get normal.

>americucks ITT

Thats Ukrainians though

Russia has receded back so far after the fall of the Soviet Union that they're now sanctioned for fucking with satellites on their own doorstep.

They have objectively been contained by the USA.

Also, combat personnel are superfluous to modern warfare. They're for mucking about with proxies, not actual war against an equal force.

> Let sociopaths run your countries
> Sociopaths get pissy at each other
> Start killing each other because the sociopaths told you to

XAXAXAXAXAXA

Of course, why the fuck would you actually make the dog bite and injure someone during QCB training?

its rape because its fucking gay

>tfw when you remember how "efficient" our military is actually made to be

Leave russia alone, bros. Let's start hanging elected officials. Come one, you know you want to.

Nice jammies, Ivan.

>south american
just fuck off back to your favela

In.

False and false.

Russia has spread its influence in the world except Europe and america(obviously) after the Ukrainian crisis.
Combat personnel will be used to keep defensive positions and get air dropped behind enemy lines to sabotage weak spots.

US
>most advanced military in the world
>most well funded military in the world
>many allies
>actually a first world country
Russia
>shit military with outdated cold war weaponry
>funding nowhere near as well funded or large in scale as the US
>nobody likes them
>third world country and more corrupted than satans asshole

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i like russia tho

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they were decimated just look at the death toll
Its only because there were so many and Germany was weak

>Russia
>third world country

U wot m8? I can't even make this up. Britbong education at it's finest.

Did you know, Russia's GDP is roughly equal to California's GDP.

They think looking cool makes an army

There is something amazingly sensual about her

Yeah, give that pissed looking brown manlet an M240b and 1000 rounds of ammo and we'll see who still smiling.

jesus fucking christ you stupid fucking faggot

Get a load of this faggot.

I'll trade you some bread crumbs and a few 8-track tapes for that balerina outfit.

Remember when we used to be in charge over Russia? How things have changed.

>7 meters of concrete
>missile is intact
My basement needs some upgrade...

I was in the Marines. Most of us were fairly muscular. The super lean fags like your picture were only good for running long distance. Put a pack on them or have them carry someone and they tire much more quickly.

So yes size does help you retard

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How's that aircraft carrier doing these days? Has it run out of coal lately


>also
>A
>FUCKING
>RAMP

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sheeit, nigga....

I would skateboard all over that bitch all day, kicking flippers and doodas like Lance Mountain.

you spend too much time on Cred Forums, canacuck. the russian government spreads a lot of pro russian propaganda here. the reality is russia is a complete shit hole

youtube.com/watch?v=tpH5L8zCtSk

Riiight...

I like U.S. as well. Don't let them bring a split

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It is, but their current foreign policy is crushing your ass by far right now.
No worries though, relations between US and Russia will hit all-time high when Trump is in office though.

Lol stand a chance againdft what. Russians? Russia has a horrifically shitty military that the can't afford. How could they possibly defeat us and our Roman tier military. Not to mention Americans with Rhodesia and Nazi Germany for the greatest air and ground cooperation which Russia has almost none of.

>that chuck noriss stencil

I will vow to aim my rifle at my own government before I aim it at a Russian, as long as you do the same.

Lol fuck off pidor. I'm Russian and even I wouldn't turn it against ours in favor of russia. Also
>trusting a vatnik to uphold a deal

This is why we can't let Hillary win. The Obama administration is really fucking things up in Syria and our leftist media just keeps talking about how Putin is the sole provocateur.

Honestly I don't even like Russia but the patriotard Americans who for some reason think our armed forces are unstoppable are idiots. 90% of our military consists of women, spics, niggers, homosexuals and manlet high school/college dropouts. The only reason the US doesn't get entirely BTFO in every single conflict is spec ops, who are trained more for war against durka durkas than actual full scale combat.

Stop shit posting cheekibreeki. Nigger be posting this on my beloved /b

>mfw americans think their army is still great
half of your officers are demoting and punishing guys because they aren't PC and woman-friendly enough because they don't pass women who failed their tests. All thanks to congress.

>they think infantry are the key to military success

more jewish divide and conquer tactics

It's not the only reason.
The main reason is that america claims air superiority in every country they go to.

You won't be laffing when one of our girls swims up and goatfucks your whole country.

>somebody couldn't pass the ASVAB

This x1000

>Largest Air force on earth?
US Air Force.
>Second Largest Air force on earth?
US Navy.

The dominance is real.

>swims up to landlocked country

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe_Day

>Elbe Day, April 25, 1945, is the day Soviet and American troops met at the Elbe River, near Torgau in Germany, marking an important step toward the end of World War II in Europe. This contact between the Soviets, advancing from the East, and the Americans, advancing from the West, meant that the two powers had effectively cut Germany in two.

>Elbe Day has never been an official holiday in any country, but in the years after 1945 the memory of this friendly encounter gained new significance in the context of the Cold War between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

>Monuments at Torgau, Lorenzkirch, and Bad Liebenwerda commemorate the first encounters between U.S. and Soviet troops on Elbe Day. In the United States, a "Spirit of the Elbe" plaque at Arlington National Cemetery commemorates the day.

Even if you fight a war, that monument will still be there.

Considering economic and industrial capacity, as well as international back up?
USA wins hands down.

Militarily? Russia's "top notch" military is for show, it's mostly a degraded force. Still very powerful, powerful enough to give the US a real threat.

a-all this testosterone is too much for me to handle...

GIVE ME MY CUMMIES I WANT MY CUMMIES NOW

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the only reason america is even contested in any conflict is because we try to avoid civilian casualties.

Not saying we are always good at it (or that there arent time when we just dgaf) but we could take a scorched earth policy and defeat any army on earth if the conflict was restricted to conventional warfare (read no wmd's)

but there is no money in that

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This is what foreigners think the American military is

>implying I would ever join up in the first place

This is what it actually is

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just cuck my shit up mate

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DOG BLESD AMERIGAN FREDUMBS :DDDDDD

>them elbow pad straps
Gotdamn his coat is even to big for him

Our soldiers have never been the reason we win wars:

America wins wars through superior logistics, flexible doctrine, and a higher grade of low-end conscript.

You're literally comparing our shittiest solders to the best of the best that Russia has.

Well, our shit soldiers are better than their shit conscripts. And our special forces are better kitted, and are better trained.

Spetsnaz has no reason to train soldiers with tomahawks and acrobatics. Nobody uses that shit. Their adherence to such outdated methods is a sign of weakness.

In all honesty, the US would wipe the floor with Russia. By far the most powerful navy, military bases surrounding them, drone army, superior air force, superior pretty much everything. Russia has more... tanks I guess? Which would pretty much be obsolete in confronting the US. Missiles / nukes, I doubt the Russians have even maintained those things at all.

If it wasn't over in weeks with US troops hauling Putin out of a bunker in Moscow, the Russian economy would soon be destroyed, the country would fall apart. The US is far richer with many, many more allies. The russian military is outdated and old.

Ignore who's soldiers are more "bad ass," its a complete joke to even think russia would have any chance in a full scale conflict the US. They are by far the most powerful military on earth, possible more powerful than the entire rest of the world combined, although I think THAT is possibly debatable.

> Croatia

Your ""military"" is so weak that if you left NATO, NATO would actually become stronger

Dirty globalists want us to fight. Let's be friends instead.

underrated

XD

>wouldn't join
>saves mil pics on harddrive

you lost a girl to a marine, huh?

poor bait, weak humor or both

>he thinks war against Russia would be conventional

They would basically unload whole their arsenal before going down.

Then one must discontinue to all counter effects of effects. Only when one trusts one, can one build towards a future. It is nature, to counter act whatever is being acted, yet in human actions there is a slow representational effect instead of nano second representational effect occurring.

amen brother

lol no, they wouldn't. Putin is selfish, he wants to live. He'll surrender or do w/e it takes to weasel out and retire on his billion+ net worh.

Base commander's social experiment. Walk a day in her shoes or some shit. 12 years so far 6 tours and never wore a pair of heels. Its difficult to kick a door in wearing heels i would imagine.

>some pog faggots turn out for an EO event that has been going on for several years
>at least half those pictured are slick sleeves
>can clearly see other civilian participants in the picture
>the fact they were able to leave their shop in the first place to do this signifies that they're support weenies
I won't disagree that our military is in terrible shape right now, but you're cherry picking and not doing a very good job of it.

Ummm what?

We'll see.

>Vodka power

Activated potatos

>12 years so far 6 tours and never wore a pair of heels
impressive

>invades and threatens counties
>"Dirty globalists want us to fight"

Poor little vodka niggers.

Get your shit together.
This is how we train our cadets, even the grills.
youtube.com/watch?v=NMvRY25T0SY
It's not " omg awesome what a training", it's just decent, imo...

what would happen if russia was a nato member?

only matters when your government overloads you with more equipment than any other point in human history. Seriously, you faggots can't think of making gear weigh less despite the ungodly number of knee and back injuries?

I love how your governments idea isn't to lighten the load, but instead to build fucking power armor. Can't wait till your country collapses, maybe then you can fix it.

>implying anyone would give a shit about spamming 400lb neckbeards with propoganda
delusions of grandeur desu

great job! Now let's fucking kill eachother.

Fucking communists

It is in its nature to counter whatever is being effected. So when after ages an global geographical ideology towards another geographical ideology is established it is like an atom vibrating based on its temperature. It all scales out. The difference between human effects is that its slow compared compared to an atom effecting to a temperature. Realizing this slowness can thus be forwarded to one goal without the effect of anti effect towards the goal. If you have anti effect like anything in nature at this scale of operations, it means the particular atom for example can make the temperature agree to not make the atom vibrate more at more temperature. This means, humanity has to agree and quit the galactic hand guide to the galaxy bureaucracy and make continues decisions unaffected by other humans. This in turn than can be seen as one person or one group making the decisions, whilst it is nothing but creating a most accelerated reality. If those who do not agree by evidence redesign without knowing why do not agree by agreeing with evidence totality, it would reduce slowness.

Tom Clancy? I thought you were dead.

please come back.

did he write about this?

If you can march in heels, you can march in anything

>untrained ROTC wouldn't stand a chance against trained military
They wouldn't stand a chance against an unarmed civilian either considering they're just teenagers in uniforms.

Fuck man, French woman really need to get their body hair under control.

I feel you, french bro.

youtube.com/watch?v=Bqoja3iWWaE

yeah look up the Bear and the Dragon, it was pretty solid. Basically Chinas economy shits the bed and they prepare to invade the new Russian Federation before it's managed to get it's shit together post USSR. So the US who has a really chill president basically tells them to join NATO. It's pretty tits.

g8 b8 m8, i'll t8 8/8

Former 0302 here.

Absolutely agree. At TBS and IOC (look it up you boot pog fucks), they still teach us combined arms tactics. Fire and maneuver has been instilled into our heads like you wouldn't believe.

>inb4 combined arms tactics, fire and maneuver, support by fire, CAS, etc

Yet, even as USMC officers, we still lacked discipline. You even saw this out in the fleet. Once you reach the captain level, you just saw the motivation and level of fucks go drastically down.

I don't think we have the mental discipline to survive a protracted war in foreign soil.

And yes, I did earn my CAR in '11 in Afghanistan.

So, what are you doing now?

>leaf detected

Why would we want to go to war with Russia? The cold war is over.

>med school (allopathic)

>Daddy Russia will protect slav nations
>Daddy Russia won't abandon us
>Daddy Russia noooooo

They're still pissed the trade deals never worked out.

They never got the Cheetos and DVDs they were promised to lay down but at least we let them have the beet soup and old lady porn market.

Aren't ROTC cadets just faggot students that do the occasional weekend exercise?

Nice.

Keep on keepin on.

and then what

You too, brother. S/F.

This is not fair, you have rock n roll music and gatling guns to enhance the motivation...

It's just another level of indoc.

We start them off young and feed them shit until the geeks drop out.

We send the keepers off to do violence on our behalf while we sleep, secure.

We're in NATO,fool.
If anything,we'll fight with you fags,unfortunately.

When I was in, the guys who did gay shit like this ended up getting hazed and beaten in the barracks. I feel like that doesn't happen anymore in the Army, maybe in the Marines still.

Nah, just boot students. Once they get their commission then they have to serve.

>Not a chance
>Equipment updated every few years
>mfw

Well, we perfected both, but we lie when we say we invented either.

We like it loud.

the college rotc cadets around here have daily workouts at like 4am
duno what its like in Highschool

>i was in da muhreens xD
>big stronk!
>ooga booga

kys faggot

>Russians think they stand ANY chance

JTF2 (Canadian Special Forces) literally TRAINS all the other SpecOps (America, Russia, etc).

whatever you say buddy

besides, I don't want to fight Russia because I like what they've been doing with their country, and because we have bigger threats to focus on

if we can just focus down this Islam problem, team up with Russia, we could get it done and never have to worry about it agian

This.

Hood nigga And mexican make best gunner.

QCB? Is that like CQB in Quebec?

>French
>Military

Lmfao. LOGF.

They all train alongside each other now days, but it was actually 22 SAS that developed every other tier 1 western special forces unit, including Delta Force

Btw the Canadian army wants to copy one of our resilience building programs now.

>implying our trannie SEALs still wouldn't jump at the chance to save your ass...AGAIN.

We're gay as hell for France.

>Germany
>victory

>Rock and roll (often written as rock & roll or rock 'n' roll) is a genre of popular music that originated and evolved in the United States

>The Gatling gun is one of the best-known early rapid-fire spring loaded, hand cranked weapons and a forerunner of the modern machine gun. Invented by Richard Gatling, it is known for its use by the Union forces during the American Civil War in the 1860s, which was the first time it was employed in combat.

I know that you can always point to something similar that came before, quantum leaps in technology or culture rarely if ever happen, but I think these two things are actually more american than most of the things we call american.

Also, the brits perfected rock & roll.

This. Nothing beats BDUs.

lets do this.

youtube.com/watch?v=InRDF_0lfHk

Kek. Americans can only fight sandniggers. Even then it's a challenge. Russians would eat them for breakfast.

wasnt the invasion of afganistan the thing that actually led to the end of the ussr?

Now, I could argue about Sam Colt's contributions to the firearm all night, but...

>Also, the brits perfected rock & roll.

You want to fight?

youtube.com/watch?v=C3icBcr1_Tw

yeah they had a real problem with it. we just realize we can never leave.

Russians got BTFO in afghanistan.

I would have been more impressed by the allman brothers.

The modern American military is made up of a good amount of genuine Patriots, but the other significant parts are high school failures for validation and memers trying to get college money.

Our military is crumbling and turning into mercenaries and mall security.

ok wtf is THAT?

were gonna be there forever, forever.

youtube.com/watch?v=r0H6R7xRytk

lol

>Americans can only fight sandniggers.

Shit, we fight each other every couple years just for sport.

youtube.com/watch?v=qn08eHrl0h0

>America takes out a trillion dollar loan
>Make a promise to Russian troops that they will be paid American wages if they defect over to the American side
>Also a lifetime supply of Adidas sportwear
>Conflict ends overnight

t. has never worn BDUs

Trump/Putin brofest incoming, you pathetic kike.

DELETE THIS

you have no fucking idea bro, agreed the russians, europeans and chinese are out of this world in realization and technology, the USA has the exact same minds

LIGHTS OUT GOATFUCKER

I didn't come here to feel.

European ascension was the worst thing to happen to this planet! Whites are literally the scourge of God. I am so happy they are being bred out!

not necessarily 100% true. Russian armor and anti air is surprisingly more advanced than current US weaponry. Ruskies have upgraded their military in recent years as well.

I know you're trolling, but America has:

>A bigger and better navy
>A bigger and better army that isn't comprised of fucking conscripts
>More fighter planes with more experienced pilots
>The dominant world economy (Russia's is roughly the same size as Italy's)
>Countries next door to Russia that would allow America to use them as a springboard for invasion.
>An ability to project force further than their land borders
>A much larger population than Russia
>Considerably less corruption and internal problems than Russia.

Even though Russia has a couple of advantages (a good Air defence network, good AGMs and most likely good Electronic Warfare capabilities) it wouldn't even be a competition. Russia would get curbstomped by the US.

globalgrind.com/2010/10/08/ufos-shut-down-chinese-airport-washington-dc-iran-and-belgium-2/

Reverse image search is magic.

>pupper
so happy

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Look man, I get it. We're cucked. I won't deny that.

But the sheer size and power of our military is just very hard to top without including multiple countries.

Russia can be defeated by our army alone.

armor maybe, but the US has the ew capabilities in the world, I'm not sure that sam technology alone is enough when you have satellites and cruise missles.

youtube.com/watch?v=0acJ3xyhaJo

the video is a sales pitch, but the fact that they claim these things are combat proven leads me to believe we probably already deployed these 10 years ago when we invaded iraq. At the time baghdad was seriously considdered one of the most hardened cities on the planet.

>Not killing the stooges of our Jewish government
fuck off back, liberashka piece of shite

I wish I had those pictures of the Russian soldiers eating cock.

hnnnng

Stupid American "arm-lite" no match for superior Kalashnikova.

I though that pic was from 1972… but it appears that his phone is modern.

Yikes.

My older brother was a MARSOC operator. Just got out our the Marines after 8 years and 2 deployments in Afghanistan. He assures me that Russia would utterly skull fuck us. His favorite example is the fact the JSOC would rather use MARSOC, SEALs, and British SAS for important shit in """the sandbox""" rather than Army Rangers. Rangers play guard duty at black sites and are mostly 40 year old "lifers" who are unreliable and prone to committing war crimes. He also wants to leave the country ASAP. Food for thought burger Bros.

What a nu-male cuck.

If Hillary wins will we end up fighting what are the probability

Implying ROTC fags are worth a fuck, choke yourself butterbar.

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TR-3B

you assume war is fought and won by individuals though and not on many different levels. between production conflicts, intel wars, and the clash of maneuver versus and attrition styles. i mean pruduction wise america could probs beat out russia, for a couple of reasons, the biggest being europe as a whole loving usa more than renamed ussr. so between us and them usa probs wins production of supplies and resources, as well as natural resources that are EASILY mined and not sourced from the place hell froze over at. i would also think, but not guarantee by any means, that our junior officers are probs better, if only due to experience afforded to them and because west point is a decent at what it does. also Navy is probs in us favor as the russian navy has a pretty weak tradition and say what you want about carrier destroying missiles, to assume their is no counter of any nature would be naive, but its also not a certainty on my part. not much to say on airforce aside from russians would definitely have home field advantage but i have no idea what models of plane they use but in the event of Russian invasion yeah they probs have advantage. willing to hear counters if anyone is still here

Sounds like your brother got booted the fuck out, cry baby cuck.

you do know that certain wood weighs different, yes?

I wish this meme that the US and Russia are going to end up fighting would end.

Russia are nice guys. We can all be friends.

Where did I say that, corporal?

>smile when you call me Sr. Chief

Remember the basics of CQC!

She's so beautiful she could probably get a lot of men to lay down arms just by showing up. Coyote strategy.

Either one our aircraft or an alien one. I've heard our highest tech is supposed to be decades ahead of civilian/foreign tech at any given time.

At least those sandniggers are actual sandniggers and not unarmed Slav villagers

>contrails on an anti gravity aircraft
acktually thats a f-117

Assuming it's a no-n00k situation their navy and air force would get btfo before they got anywhere near US soil. We should be siding with Ivan anyway.

>We send the keepers off to do violence on our behalf while we sleep, secure.
>the keepers off to do violence
>keepers
Try again.

>dat patch

youtube.com/watch?v=7JiSLJjPeoo

this mini documentary was based af

wars are no longer fought by men, they are fought by technology.

found full link youtube.com/watch?v=ruyXYkh9-mM

>she looks coked up

youtu.be/sZwM-xQLUCQ?t=26s

Not the case at all. Silver star for Valor in combat. Was in 2 shot down helicopters and 1 humvee that hit an ied. His back is totally fucked and was an instructor for 4 years at the USMC scout sniper school. Forced to retire, fully disabled veteran. Still insists on working when he can. Certified bad ass. Completely ashamed of our country and the fact that he bought into the "MUH FEW MUH PROUND" meme. Would probably be pissed if he knew I was posting about his service on a Portuguese carpet crafting forum.

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Myyyyy preeeeeeeciouuuuus

>using elbow pads

Fucking low level scrub faggot

I'll carry the spare barrel and give him the old tap tap

The burgers would DESTROY the russians.

Russias economy is smaller than Brazil and just a tiny bit bigger than Australia. It is Smaller than Italy, it is smaller than the UK, it is smaller than France, it is smaller than Germany (but remember you also have the likes of the Netherlands, denmark, Belgium etc etc).

It would be clinically insane on a strategic basis for Russia to go head to head with NATO, or just America, or just the European Nato countries on an economic basis.

Secondly, leaving the Ukraine/Donbass situation aside (although a vast number of Ukrainians do not seem particularly keen on Russia...)

Estonians do not like Russia. Russia does not like Estonia. Poland does not like Russia, Russia does not like Poland etc. etc. This is not because of any other reason than history and direct experience.

The proposal in the thread originates in a Rand corporation study and a few people with connections to the western military industrial complex. They perhaps see it as a way to promote weapons sales (and the best kind...ones that will never actually be used, like all those rusting T-72 and 55s the USSR made ). They would probably see sales potential in the likes of Estonia, Poland etc.

However...Russia cannot overrun nato in 60 hours. Russia can make conventional advances and maybe get across the Baltics and some (let's be generous to Russia, lots of Poland).

Gentleman - what happens next?

Now lets take a look at recent Russian propaganda relating to weapons...some real...some imaginary.....

Real....new nukes..'son of satan' etc etc.

Fake...new hypersonic 6th gen fighter by 2025...a joke an absolute joke...for hard science reasons.

So Russia is releasing a lot of vapourware in the weapons space....and why not the Americans did that with star wars but it is not real friends...not real at all.

Things that are true, Russia has built some neat subs but few and they are very costly to make.

There is no 5th gen Russia fighter in serious numbers or deployment. Russia lacks air-to-air refuelling and carrier ability (the sole Russian carrier is an embarrassment, the French Mistrals never arrived and they were only helicopter transport anyhow).

What does this mean?

Russia cannot project airpower over core NATO territories. Cannot.

The Russian state has done good work in cleaning up the 90s mess an they have a capable air force and in particularly their military industrial complex has worked hard on air defense systems.

There are a few problems in trying to engage NATO though.

Russian radar on aircraft is no competition with NATO airborne radar.

There are already weapons that can disable even the most advanced Russian S series air defences (yes really).

NATO has Vastly more (and by vastly I mean a stupidly vaster greater number) of more modern, more lethal fighter aircraft. The US alone has more fighters than Russia and China *combined*. Other NATO and allied nations also have fleets of fighters that the Russia air force (and this is not some refection on Russian people) would technologically struggle to combat. Russia would be facing impossible odds.

So vastly greater numbers of vastly better fighters.

Attack aircraft
The US again has in this class the same number as Russia and China combined. Again other NATO countries have fleets of attack aircraft in Europe that are greater than Russia's entire inventory and the majority are more modern. Russia would be facing impossible odds.

The USA has five times the number of transport aircraft that Russia has. The European NATO members have nearly double. Russia is utterly outmatched, however it could be argued that Russia intends to only invade it's immediate neighbours...a fairly weak argument given that the UK, Germany, France etc. have zero interest in seeing NATO fail and if NATO 'an attack on one is an attack on all' is truly invoked The minimum response will be the complete destruction of the attacking force and a military, political, economic and cultural blockade (Ukraine was *not* a NATO member, Georgia was *not* a NATO member.)

How about helicopters?
Well the ratio of US and western European NATO members Vs Russia is about ten to one. This includes myriads of highly advanced and battle proven immediately deployable units on the NATO side.

How about attack helicopters - well it's not quite so bad here, the western European nations and the US have about double Russia book number. Yes. Double maybe a bit more.

Remember...this is not a guerrilla war. The population of Poland or Estonia *will not be fighting for Russia*.

This is a conventional war.

Now here's the rub. The air force is Russia's most reformed and capable asset. I could carry on, I could discuss the distorted Russia contract figures, the conscription, the inventories of dated soviet era weapons etc. The slow pace of reorganization.
However its really not necessary.

Here's the war game.

Russia invades the bastics and manages to get to the German border in three days. NATO is fully activated.

The Russian air force is destroyed by day 7 and by day 14 the entire attacking Russian force has been destroyed. Dead or captured.

Assuming nukes have not already been used

What happens next?

Russia realising it is facing complete destruction of it's military forces and defeat (this is not 1942) says it will use nukes if invaded.

Best case. The west accepts this but as a consequence Russia becomes a utterly isolated state living with militarised Korean/cold war borders and economic and cultural isolation from western allied nations until it gets new leaders and disarms to a scale proportional to its economy. It is farked and becomes a Chinese vassal state.

Not a good scenario.

Nukes.

There are two philosophies on nukes. MAD and survivable. I agree with mad as being probably total in terms of advanced societies ,. However some say that dispite a lot of places like Chernobyl and mass casualties such a war can be fought. Not just the US has nuclear weapons.

Well. Unfortunately (because it would be sad let's face it) the Russian population is concentrated in the west of Russia, the part most easily hit, into a relatively small area. This is not true of the NATO populations which are widely dispersed, simply put the vast majority of Russians would very soon be dead.....a similar or greater number of NATO member casualties would occur. Maybe 200 million a piece . But Russia, definitely would be destroyed as a population and the rest of the world (maybe) would carry on.

I know that you folk are barraged with propaganda constantly, I get that. I even feel that some of you think you are doing good work spreading it. Or maybe it makes you feel proud etc but the undisputable truth is Russia cannot afford any sort of military conflict with just the US, let alone NATO, let alone just the western NATO countries.

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Nukes.

There are two philosophies on nukes. MAD and survivable. I agree with mad as being probably total in terms of advanced societies ,. However some say that dispite a lot of places like Chernobyl and mass casualties such a war can be fought. Not just the US has nuclear weapons.

Well. Unfortunately (because it would be sad let's face it) the Russian population is concentrated in the west of Russia, the part most easily hit, into a relatively small area. This is not true of the NATO populations which are widely dispersed, simply put the vast majority of Russians would very soon be dead.....a similar or greater number of NATO member casualties would occur. Maybe 200 million a piece . But Russia, definitely would be destroyed as a population and the rest of the world (maybe) would carry on.

I know that you folk are barraged with propaganda constantly, I get that. I even feel that some of you think you are doing good work spreading it. Or maybe it makes you feel proud etc but the undisputable truth is Russia cannot afford any sort of military conflict with just the US, let alone NATO, let alone just the western NATO countries

Proof Amerilard army sucks.
I'm glad earthquake is coming, I can leave the land of butthurt amerifags.

As force on force, nobody can fuck with America.

Hand to hand, I sure would hate to have to fight a Sambo trained russian. Far superior to the bullshit they teach the army, anyway.

What about China and US global commitements making its forces unavailable?

Ahem. I did not count Turkey or even Canada in the numbers above. Indeed I did not count places like Australia or Taiwan, Japan etc. The west an Allied powers have a military capacity that is vastly, vastly, vastly greater that Russia and China. I mean like a four year old trying to fight mike Tyson.

Because of the vast GDP disparity and this is just a plain truth, the technologically advanced ways of killing people that are *already deployable* by the west but yet unseen outclass anything Russia could come up with in the next 20 years. It is what it is.


Now I'm going to get a lot of anger back, this is challenging national pride and perceived wisdom based on false paradigms but why the hell would any Russian wish all this sh*te.

No-one, ever in the west will get any backing politically to invade Russia (it is a meme for dumb), and Russia is nuclear armed. Its amazing Russia has such a great amount of military 'stuff' and is punching way out of its league (gdp) and that's great and all but why?

All this sh*te that is beamed about Russia being a military titan and this completely false notion that Russia can actually win a war against wven western Europe let alone the US is utter nonsense believing it is nothing to be proud of.
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Russia 1

USA 0

What about China and US global commitements making its forces unavailable?

Ahem. I did not count Turkey or even Canada in the numbers above. Indeed I did not count places like Australia or Taiwan, Japan etc. The west an Allied powers have a military capacity that is vastly, vastly, vastly greater that Russia and China. I mean like a four year old trying to fight mike Tyson.

Because of the vast GDP disparity and this is just a plain truth, the technologically advanced ways of killing people that are *already deployable* by the west but yet unseen outclass anything Russia could come up with in the next 20 years. It is what it is.


Now I'm going to get a lot of anger back, this is challenging national pride and perceived wisdom based on false paradigms but why the hell would any Russian wish all this sh*te.

No-one, ever in the west will get any backing politically to invade Russia (it is a meme for dumb), and Russia is nuclear armed. Its amazing Russia has such a great amount of military 'stuff' and is punching way out of its league (gdp) and that's great and all but why?

All this sh*te that is beamed about Russia being a military titan and this completely false notion that Russia can actually win a war against wven western Europe let alone the US is utter nonsense believing it is nothing to be proud of.
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Have you seen this man's 214?

Addendum on air defence and Russian defensive strategy.

There is a lot of propaganda on this because it is an important export and diplomatic tool for the Kremlin. It is however already utterly defeated by NATO military tech. Do we really have to go over why?

When thinking about the first point remember the NATO nations can throw literally a trillion into dual use technological advances. You are using one right now. The internet. Russia cannot. Things like rail guns, air defence disabling drone missile swarms and drones armed with lasers and whatever travesties come next.
More money, more deadly tech toys. Sorry. It is that simple. And they do. Game over. Unlike Russia they do not propagandise a lot of their new core tactical/strategic weapons systems and the first thing you will see of them is when they are used.

On current strategy
The fsb/vsk rule the roost in Russia and are trying to break up nato and the EU and advance nuclear disarmament in France and the UK with a daydream of bilateral pacts with e.g. France and an isolationist US president. OK let us say that happens and you get a best case. You still have to consider there was no Nato in 1939. Alliances form quickly in a climate of military aggression. Within a couple of years the Russian military would find itself just as the Germans did in 1942. New royssia will not happen. Ever. Russian speaking minorities in foreign nation will never rule majority populations. It will not happen. Sorry.
There are signs that the military industrial and military intelligence ultra nationalists have advanced and are ready to replace Putin. Disaster for Russia.

>hanging elected officials
I wholeheartedly support this.
We need to come together with our Russian brothers and flush out the browns.
Make peace with the Asians and agree to population control measures, centering on sterilizing those under 100 IQ.
Eliminate all the muzzles and afros and split up Africa.
Then we can finally project the best of humanity in to the stars.

On defensive strategy.

With good nuclear subs and a GDP proportionate and professional military e.g. equivalent to France and a policy of first use of nuclear weapons on invasion Russia is in fact already secure without this bulls*t. The Russian military industrial complex destroyed the USSR and will continue to destroy Russia. Russia should develop an economy replacing this segment with high tech consumer products showcasing Russian brilliance and enjoy elevating its economy so young Russians do not have to emigrate to have civilized living conditions and avoid shortened life expediencies.

As regards fighting men the vast majority if not all Russian line units are based on a rotational conscript basis and are actually under manned by 40-25%. Irrespective of 'national character' conscripts are no match for professionals and are numerically vastly outnumbered in numbers of professionals including an utter outclass in elite (defined by fast marching pace western line units, paras etc). The levels of NATO line troops alone crushes Russia numerically.

Russian division to battalion command structure are stalled in reforms (that the Russian military has been trying to achieve for 10 years) resulting in a poor command structure in a lot of the army. Spetnatz are nice guys and very civilised and have foreign languages and play a mean game a of chess and can drink me under the table (although I maintain that throwing up to clear your gut is cheating :) ). If you want to hear just how incompetent regular Russian military command chains can be just listen to spetnatz - they really know. It is not a matter of whether you or I like people (I liked some Russian fighters I met very well and thought they were good guys and well educated and very competent). Even they knew that many of their line unit NCOs were drunks and a lot of the line unit fighters are just scared teenagers who have been beaten to a pulp and want to go home. Equipment and supplies are stolen regularly by cliques of NCOs on an incredible scale and the Officers have a real problem exercising any real authority of the NCOs. Much of the NCO core in the Russian army is rotten.The conscript system is a failure and the command system is farked. The divide between NCOs and conscripts is hostile and as a force conscript line units Vs Brit. USA. German, French etc. etc. professionals is an non starter. This is just truth. If there are Russians here they know what I am saying is true and it is not intended to insult them How can the truth be an insult?

youtube.com/watch?v=CLW7r4o2_Ow

Great posts, but they're gonna be considered tl;dr and not PUTIN STRONK in Cred Forums. You're posting towards the lite end of defense analysts but yeah.

Makes too much sense and actually is sound. Again you'd be doing great anywhere... But Cred Forums. No intentions, just wanted to let you know that not all of Cred Forums is mouthbreathing retards.

screenshotted (screenshat?) for later reading and analysis.

Nice one Padraic.

That is why the Russians invest so much time on subversion of western nato members and the EU online.

See Brexit, see Trump, see France, see Greece, see germany, see /POL, see GLP.

That tacti cool operators beard is great until you're in the ruins of Stalingrad 2 electric boogaloo and the lice start nibbling. Then again America never actually fights real wars until victory is assured and they can take credit. (See WW1 and WW2)

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The real story is the GRU and FSB fighting for control of Russia as a second word quasi north korean slave farm.

I frankly wish they would fuck of and keep to themselves.

They use both the extreme left and right to subvert and destroy western nations so societies and it is this pointless Russia Vs the world shit.

The USSR collapsed because it WAS shit not because of the evil Americans.

So the only replies are 'the nazls lost" and some quasi mystical belief in a an almost mystical but unsubstantiated belief in Russian nation militarism.

Would or could Russia have won WW2 alone with all the other European and allied nations the USA backing Germany?

Russia was literally butchered in Afghanistan. Relatively speaking the ISAF force did infinitely better.

Iraq was effectively totalled conventionally. The Iraqi leader was hung. This is not victory.

Vietnam well illustrates my point regarding conscript armies fighting motivated forces on home turf.

What is terribly funny is the idea that forces like the Bundeswehr, French military and foreign legion, Royal Air Force, Polish army Canada, Turkey etc. will not be in play.

Russia has zero chance of winning neither a nuclear (if it can be 'won') or conventional war. None.

Not a single thing posted here by fantasists makes any difference.

It is possible I suppose that the kind of stupidity displayed in this thread at a billion to one odds sweeps into the kremlin. In which case Russia will....loose.

No one will invade Russia but the idea that Russia can invade a NATO state and not see its forces destroyed rapidly followed by humiliating isolation and blockade is a joke. That is just truth. Which is why it will not happen. Russia is vastly outnumbered, vastly outgunned and broke relatively speaking.

I don't think Russia has the population advantage it used to.

Frankly throwing bodies at an enemy is not really the best tactic and that's literally all Russia has beside "muh winter"

It would be nice if the contents of the russian trollfarms conscipted were vaporized so that shitposting supporting the extreme right and extreme left in western nations ceased.

zerohedge
/pol
glp
global research.ca
sputnik news
RT
subversion of old anonymous
the syrian electronic army
the russian 'isis' attacks on europe
the attempts to manipulate PM markets
blm
stormfront
etc etc etc
All russian shit.

The incessant schilling for brexit, racewar, isolationists. open borders,radical feminism, communism, corbyn, farage, the black panthers, blm, creating the EU immigrant crisis etc etc etc

Frankly maybe it would be better if Russia was nuked and the world just took the hit and moved on.

I'd like to see a clean up of Russian agents of influence and those Running proxies for Russian trollfarms.

I think most people voting for trump know hillary is the better person to run the empire. $$$$

I dont think trump is going to ease up on weapons sales, after all, that's kinda our thing.

But hopefully we wont start as many wars, or push for *freedom* for brown people quite so hard.

In the end I think hillary will be *fine* if shes elected. but its the robber barons all over again, its corporatism and its hurting middle class normies. Its impossible to vote for her with a clean conscience, and maybe there really is a way to pull russia in as a true ally.

>that bowshock

Gas the kikes race war now. Don't push the button Ivan. The kikes want you to, but we can work together, and both not die. The kikes want us to kill eachother off so they can rule the niggers and chinks for the rest of eternity. Fuck that noise. I don't want to burn to death.

This is true. This PC bullshit is pushing out a lot of good soldiers out. The army has tons of stupid shit to deal with already so the pussification totally kills the only reason to join.

It's a way better track record than Russia who got BTFO in Afghanistan and Chechnya the first time. Most combat soldiers are actually tough dudes. POGs are fucking worthless.

Those are POGs.

Like 50% of the women in the army are lesbians.

His name's not змeя чeлoвeк

Remove kielbasa

looks like a 14 year old boy.

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Can this please be the new meme

MEME MAGIC
>MEME MAGIC
MEME MAGIC
>MEME MAGIC

HAPPENING IN CROATIA WITHIN 7 DAYS

>Ramp
Learn to carrier Ruskies.

Seriously though, it takes guts to go up that jump and pray you can stay airborne.

>The US Military is so weak, just take a look at this pic

>An ROTC Program with a Shit Head PMS who makes cadets take part in a bullshit anti-rape event vs. The Russian Military

Wow, great argument

>666
France... pls

the Falklands are British

Yeah a country with economy of 1-2 USA states will be on par...
Also since USSR we have a defensive doctrine and have no resources to wage wars far from our borders.

This right here desu senpai

Russia winning.

nah not true I can't say much but one of our infamous units requires you keep your weight under certain levels depending on height doesn't matter if it's 90% muscle.

Show us proof.

That was a wonderful story. I think you could maybe get a B in your creative writing class.

You're absolutely insane if you think anyone has a better tank than the Abrams.
Number 1. Greatest air force in the world? The U.S. Air Force.
Number 2. Greatest Air Force in the word? The US Navy. Fact

Underrated

Eh, what?

We DO have a small number of extremely effective and professional divisions, that can be used in hybrid wars and what not. Otherwise our army is pretty shitty compared to what USSR used to have (and it wasn't even that good, looking back at it).

In a full-blown war though both sides would be fucked pretty much after the first nuke.

Why fight each other, when we can level sandniggers to the ground somewhere in Syria or whatever? It's far more enjoyable.

source your ass

question if you're still here, does russia even have a 5th gen fighter?
is there any plane in the world that can shoot down a raptor by itself?

can you post the screenshot

i'm so sick of Russia stronk threads, Russia can destroy Europe, Russia can take on the world threads

ITT pussies and manchildren

pic related real army
literally called "Nuts" - urban commando
everyone BTFO

>is there any plane in the world that can shoot down a raptor by itself?
>buying into the capability propoganda

raptor is plagued with problems. it's a jack of all trades and the master of none with stealth capabilities. hell, it lost to a f16-f18 in air to air, i forgot which.

Well, next time the nazis are coming to France, feel free to stay at home, buddy.

>doesn't even have an army that doesn't surrender
>needs to have the foreign legion to fight for them

why are the french such pussies?

>raptor is plagued with problems. it's a jack of all trades and the master of none

you''re thinking of the f-35 retard. f-22 has one job and that's air superiority.

>hell, it lost to a f16-f18 in air to air, i forgot which.

i did hear about that, in the Alaskan trials or some shit. But that was after hundreds of simulated dog fights 99.9% of which ended with the other guy losing without ever even seeing the raptor. Raptor losing was a fluke

Why is the USA soldier on a leash?

m8 the abrams is outdated as fuck.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_10 is what the japanese are sporting
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata
latest russkie tech
Even the fucking kikes have newer tanks than you do

There are also people who fought in war in Chechnya. There is also a Chechen army who is loyal to Russia.

>you''re thinking of the f-35 retard. f-22 has one job and that's air superiority.

no i'm not. multi-role purpose fighter is literally printed on f22 info on air force.mil. im in the aviation community and pilots dog the shit of that aircraft

and people say private gun owners should fear the military in the US.

>multi-role purpose fighter
they just put that title on there cuz it can drop bombs and has super cruise. You could put bombs on an f-15 too but nothing ever shot on of those down in a dog fight

>pilots dog the shit of that aircraft
what do they say? too heavy? I'm legit interested

I've only heard that they have to replace the stealth coating 6 times a day