>"If neither [CO2] price nor cap and trade is in place by 2018, the government of Canada will implement a price in that jurisdiction," he said.
>Trudeau said the proposed price on carbon dioxide pollution should start at a minimum of $10 a tonne in 2018, rising by $10 each year to $50 a tonne by 2022.
>Provinces and territories that choose a cap-and-trade system must decrease emissions in line with both Canada's target and with the reductions expected in jurisdictions that choose a price-based system.
>Whatever model a province chooses, Trudeau said, it will be revenue neutral for the federal government, with any revenues generated under the system staying in the province or territory where they are generated.
>Trudeau insisted the plan will be good for the economy, good for innovation and good for jobs.
There you have it folks. Taxation and quotas on fossil fuels will be GOOD for an economy that's nowhere near a booming inflation, and having less money in the hands of the private sector will surely allow them to step outside their comfort zone and innovate.
Trudeau thinks he can spend our money better than us when he seems to have failed Econ 101.
>Be one of the largest oil producers in the world >Muh offsets
Gavin Adams
carbon tax is fine.
In BC I get a tax rebate of over 1200per year from the carbon tax because its revenue neutral.
its him spending money on all this other useless shit like rapefugees that worries me
Evan Bennett
>Cuckdeau successfully reduces Canada's carbon emissions >China and the rest of the world continues shitting out dioxides of carbon by the assload, perhaps even making up for Canada's loss Even if Trudeau wins, we lose.
Lincoln Smith
if you don't tax carbon emissions, they win
Isaiah Gonzalez
to be fair, oil is not a commodity in modern society (rather, it is a *necessity* for many people e.g. to get to work), so it is not dictated by the normal supply/demand mumbo-jumbo (since people cannot go without it, the demand stays more or less constant).
In theory, a carbon price would work if the market has enough time to adjust.
I doubt Trudeau understands this tho >muh progressive causes
Jordan Reed
Will tax rebates even apply to businesses in any meaningful way? Farmer Bill, who uses oil-based farming equipment, may have to board up his barn because the cost of his diesel shot up way too much.
Brody Gutierrez
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Even if fossil fuels costs more, people are still forced to buy it because they absolutely need it. Carbon usage may go down because of carbon tax -- but because people become bankrupt.
Luke Hall
Canadians deserve this.
Adrian Turner
if your business is dependent on oil you will be fucked by it.
if you don't use oil then you will make a lot more money from it.
it will cause a shift away from fossil fuels to renewables or other energy sources. Its revenue neutral so there is no net gain or loss, just individual winners and losers.
Carson Davis
I'm all for switching to renewables, and I wouldn't even care (though neither support) a tax that forces people to adopt them. It's just that fossil fuels are cheaper, more efficient, and more available than renewables right now. Trudeau is doing this far too early, having us jump ship from a yacht to a rickety boat.
Nathaniel Garcia
R U jokin M8?
The price of oil has gone from $2 to $4 back to $2 then $1.70 then $3 then $2.50 all within the last 5 years.
Do you really think adding a $10 tax per TONNE of CO2 is going to make a difference? That equates to like fucking 5 or 10 cents a gallon!
Christian Moore
LOLOLOL there are literally billions of people on this earth who use next to no fossil fuels, and would LOOOOOVEEEEE the life enrichments brought upon by them
Cuckdeau and anyone advocating carbon pricing should be hanged for treason as they are committing economic crimes against the nation and will destroy our standard of living
do these retards no understand basic economics
>use less fuels >price of fuels goes down >poorer nations can afford fuels >poorer nations use more fuels
literally transferring the wealth of energy from canada to third world nigger holes
Luke Anderson
most renewables dont pay for themselves economically or resource wise (solar being prime example)
hydro , geothermal and nuclear should be world staples wherever feasible
biodiesel idnt efficient enough yet solar doesn't make up for panel construction wind is limited to specific areas
Henry Stewart
retarded idiot thinks taking money from companies and people by way of taxes and using that money to have GOVERNMENT created jobs actually counts as improving the economy
Joshua Ramirez
>Tell college "friends" not to vote for him >All of my college "friends" voted for him because "dude weed lmao" >still hasn't legalized weed, sold our remaining gold resources, stood by and refused help from U.S, Russia and Mexico to aid the Alberta forest fires, poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague upon our houses
Dominic Lee
>if we take money from businesses and spend it all on infrastructure, nannies, smoothies and moving residences, surely things will look up!
Blake Wright
He really believes his own memes. He thinks if Canada dies it's enemies lose. But does Canada really have any enemies?
Benjamin Young
When are they going to cut down on all the CO2 emissions from flying planes to "fly-in" reserves on a daily basis?
It's time to save the planet by gassing the indians.
Jason Brooks
I want off this ride. I want my ai gf
Zachary Ramirez
lol Canada could cease to exist and climate change projections would remain virtually unchanged. Literally. Every single person in Canada could be raptures and all its industry stopped, and the net effect on climate change would be approximately zero. How do liberals talk themselves into fucking themselves and others over for no reason?
Joseph Morris
Carbon tax is a fucking joke, were carbon based life forms. Theyre taxing our existence. Its apathetic attitudes like this that allow shitty politicians to make shitty decisions like this.
Benjamin Price
lol Canada could cease to exist and climate change projections would remain virtually unchanged. Literally. Every single person in Canada could be raptured, and the net effect on climate change would be approximately zero. How do liberals talk themselves into fucking themselves and others over for no reason?
Ryan Bennett
/thread
Caleb Lee
>and it's still on fire
Bentley Hughes
>If you put the fire out it wins
William Nguyen
THE WORST PART IS THAT THERE ARE BILLIONS OF FUCKING AFRICANS AND ASIANS THAT WILL USE THE FUELS WE DONT USE FROM THIS SHIT
FUCKING REEEEEEEEE
Jack Thomas
>discouraging use of dinosaur bone and fern based energy is bad this is where we part ways ideologically Cred Forums
Anthony Jones
Maritimes are gonna get fucked so hard... highest taxed and about to lose any last bit of manufacturing. Fuck me. We are screwed.
Nathan Diaz
Haha trump is going to throw this guy in the trash
Jack King
>lets fuck up one of our best industries
This faggot must have been getting some really good weed.
Samuel Cruz
Thank you Trudeau t. American oilfield
Parker Jenkins
Pls annex us america.
Julian Howard
Can't wait for all the people here in NS to get laid off that work in Alberta (barely as it is). They can come home and get good jobs as Tim Hortons employee, welfare leech and government dumb fuck.
Evan Jones
I hear that, brother. People are already packing up to leave.
Owen Young
>alberta still on fire is this real?
i thought this happened like 3 months ago.
James Diaz
Canada's greatest enemies are Her citizens.
Benjamin Watson
It's times like these I'm glad I have job security. Can't wait to pay 12 dollars for a head of broccoli though with no raise in sight. Thanks weed man!
Jonathan King
If you burn fossil fuels, they win.
Banter aside, the leafs that aren't the shitposting proxies that CTR bought to make you guys all look like cucks are actually okay. Please kill Trudeau and all the """"refugees"""" he's bringing in.
Dylan Long
no man canada is actually full of cucks
only okay people are in alberta and rural areas, which makes up a small % of canada it's really as bad as the shitposters make it seem
even the """"conservatives""" here want massive immigration
Lucas Miller
Thats what you get for electing a C average college student.
Xavier Lopez
>More taxes are fine
Fuck off
Brayden Richardson
That's why you don't elect a drama teacher/snowboard instructor to lead your country.
>inb4 we have Obongo
Juan Anderson
I'd let you cool leafs move here if you wanted, but I can tell we're going to need two walls if Trudeau keeps flying in sandniggers.
How does that even make any fucking sense to fly them halfway around the world as """"refugees"""? Fucking retards man. I don't understand.
Hell if I lived in Europe I'd insist we shot them at the border, but at least they traveled using their own means (aka Soros money). Flying them over an entire ocean is so god damn retarded.
Jayden Lee
>refused help from U.S, Russia and Mexico to aid the Alberta forest fires He did this? Wow.
Landon White
Just eat the weed instead friend
Colton Perry
If you kill your enemies they win so yeah.
Nolan Kelly
He accepted help from the South African ones though.
And then didn't pay them, if memory serves.
Jack Walker
>tells other countries who were willing to help that Canada is fine on its own >imports firefighters from fucking Africa who ultimately nogged off and did not do their job Thanks Trudeau!
Brandon Roberts
If you strengthen the economy, the racists win.
Hunter Russell
Sounds like I need a northern holiday
Brandon Lee
Wait isn't the Canadian economy in the shitter? Why would you add regulations if the economy is struggling.
David Ortiz
Can't wait for the Republic of Western Canada to form and separate from this shit hole.
Austin Wright
It shouldn't be the Federal governments job to decided who the winners and looser a are. They might tax something you like next.
Thomas Baker
>>"If neither [CO2] price nor cap and trade is in place by 2018, the government of Canada will implement a price in that jurisdiction," he said.
So he can still sound "tough" while kicking the can down the road and allowing himself room to reverse course if it need be.
Smooth.
Joseph Morgan
>is this real?
The fire is pretty much contained it's going burn out on it's own soon enough
Adrian Foster
>refused help for forest fires he brought the very progressive south african rain callers in to help though
Tyler Powell
fucking rite bud, dumbest fucks here go berta to make bug bucks then fuck it all up with the old snow nose and come back here on the EI, fucking cunts
Jayden Perry
So Canada removes all of its gold reserves in its entirety.
Now he is collecting industrial farts from industrial factories.
What is this mans end goal...
WHAT COULD HE POSSIBLY WANT WITH THAT MANY FARTS
Owen Garcia
When can you have your next election, Canada?
Julian Parker
In the past it seemed it could happen whenever we got mad enough but now we're forced into 4 year terms for federal elections.
Daniel Perez
Didn't this guy quit after his people voted to leave Europe?
James Morris
lol didn't they go on strike?
Hudson Cook
I'm already planning on it man, been seeing an awesome lady I met in Texas for the past 3 years and we're getting married when I finish school
Noah Foster
>Alberta voted NDP in >They already pushed a carbon tax system >They pushed 15$ minimum salary >Chinks are buyi9ng houses in Calgary and Edmonton in drove
Have fun with your crippled industries, heavy inflation, living cost going up and Chinks
Cooper Wright
Carbon tax is useless now, we're reached 400 ppm in the atmosphere. There's a positive feedback loop and nothing will stop it unless emission are cut to exactly 0.
Might as well make a recycling tax while you're at it.
t. environmental scientist
James Sanders
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Mason Rodriguez
>NEP 2.0 Western Canada separation referendum when?
Zachary Collins
You typically have to work before you go on strike.
Aiden King
Holy shit, /sci/entist here...
I'm working on several projects right now to turn common garbage into usable gasoline. I can't wait to start selling this shit on craigslist for anonymous cash payments. I'm gonna make a killing charging pennies on the dollar and this crooked asshole won't see a red cent of it.
Wish me luck Cred Forums, our car culture depends on it.
Lincoln Hughes
>been seeing an awesome lady I met in Texas for the past 3 years and we're getting married when I finish school Sheeit well good luck in the future man! Always good to hear stories like that.
>a leaf is getting his life together and marrying a qt while you can't find a woman worth the fucking time of day even though you're already established in your career making decent pay God damn why do women have to be such shit famalams? Probably doesn't help that I put no effort forth.. I think I'm just not ready. Still kinda living my single life and enjoying it. I know sometime I'll want to give up independence for a relationship but it just hasn't seemed to happen yet. I'm 27 now so it probably needs to happen soon. Oh well, I'll let it happen naturally.
Anyway.
Cameron Jenkins
Godspeed, trashman.
Jonathan Hughes
But user, if you put out the fires, they win.
Charles Jenkins
You mean the Chinese Republic of Western Canada
Levi Ortiz
This. They get on welfare because you can't word high and can't afford non intoxicating foods
Matthew Martin
It hurts. Like attracts like.
Ethan Watson
If oil costs more, the market will force people to adopt more efficient lifestyles that require them to use less energy.
Blake Allen
>adopt more efficient lifestyles Gas was $4 a gallon here and no one changed shit.
Carter Martinez
Carbon tax is bullshit. Burn cleaner fuel. Methane is 15 times worse as far as greenhouse effect goes. Stop industrial meat production, problem solved.
Kevin Rodriguez
>if housing costs more, the market will force people to adopt more efficient lifestyles that require them to use less shelter
Caleb Martin
Because your country is a third world shithole inhabited by complete retards.
Asher Rogers
projecting much?
Angel Reyes
They aren't even hiding it anymore. The chinese are invading Canada (Chinada now, I guess), the spics are invading America, and muslims are invading Europe.
gg no re, the kikes won. WW2 allowed the creation of Israel for the supreme race, and now they are stamping out the white man for good to make sure the "final solution" never happens again.
Ryder Butler
It will at least prevent more ugly, inefficient suburbs from being built everywhere, taking up space and creating even more traffic and it will help clean up the air.
It's definitely worth it.
Thomas Sanchez
So crazy idea
Fuck the carbon tax and build some fucking nuclear power plants already
REEEEEEE STOP FUCKING WITH SASKATCHEWAN YOU KEKS FUCK YOU JUSTIN
William Flores
If you kill your economy, it wins :^)
Colton Cook
Tonight the last embers of my once firey love and goodwill towards my neighbors to the north are extinguished.
Time to glass it all, from British Columbia to Nova Scotia: even Nunavut.
Jace Parker
Look at all these smiling fucks. Probably all elites who live fat while the rest of the chinks live like dogs. Then they go around buying up the rest of the world with the blessings of our leaders.
Aaron Taylor
>peddle drugs, lie and cheat, do whatever to obtain dirty cash >launder it all in Canada's housing >no one can do shit because people will take it seriously when you call the whistleblower a racist Fuck me in the ass.
Ayden Scott
I want to suck a black cock with Trudeau desu.
Adam Martin
Oh but the fucking Newfies and Labrador are fine? Fuck off cunt.
Lucas Thomas
Trudeau would've been a fine intermediary prime minister to oust Harper if the idiots didn't give him a majority government
Dominic Hall
fuck off eh
Jaxon Cruz
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Nathan Gomez
>good for the economy
Andrew Cruz
>implying harper did anything wrong
Hudson Ward
>be chinese elite >ruthlessly exploit natural resources of your homeland >globalist factories everywhere, smog so heavy you can't see the sky >citizens can barely eat while you drive 4 sports cars >the platinum one is dented from running over a family earlier today, but you already got the officials bribed so nothing will happen >fortunately the family all died so there are no witnesses, and you send their bodies to the local black market chop shop >log in to your bank account to find so many 0's there's not enough things to spend it on in the shithole of a country you've squeezed dry >see little potato smiling with open arms across the pacific
Landon Mitchell
The fact that Canadians haven't marched to toss Turdeau out of office already leads me to question how far you people really want to get cucked before you break.
Every day you don't evict that cretin is a day lost, senpai.
Jackson Howard
What bothers me so much about this is that you know the factories they own and the wages they pay would be completely illegal here, yet we let them come over and buy up all our real estate and fuck housing up so bad even if you live an hour from Toronto you're starting to feel the effects now. I don't even want to think about how fucked BC is.
No wonder Hortons is only hiring temperary foreign workers in large cities, for whatever god damn reason we give them free housing.
Evan Edwards
The globalist machine is being kicked into overdrive. Within 30 years there won't be an intact Western country left.
Justin Harris
B-but we came here grow economy, provide opportunity!
Jeremiah Roberts
Some of my favorite dogs are from there.
Isaac Collins
Harper was a Neocon that wanted to sell out to China
He did a shit ton of things right from an administrative standpoint but he was taking Canada in a bad direction.
Mason Gutierrez
I am in BC. You can come into contact with people straight from China very very easily. They can't speak English well, yet they're attending university due to top laundered dollar. They're basically here to secure citizenship and buy up property even easier.
Luke Long
kek
Jackson Wilson
>that pic
They're openly laughing at us, and why shouldn't they? We were spineless enough to let them in in the first place.
Joseph Clark
How is the new pipeline going to be able to pull this off?
"Suuure. you can have your new pipeline. just meet these CO2 Caps".
expert trolling, Justin.
Jack Reed
>perhaps even making up for Canada's loss there is no perhaps, china shits more out of their asses than we generate through industry
Jason Brooks
Wait...
...can he even do that? Is energy a provincial or federal jurisdiction?
Justin Ross
>>Chinks are buyi9ng houses in Calgary and Edmonton in drove newsflash pal, been that way for years.
Samuel Diaz
It's even worse. China takes in more cheap manufacuring and produces even more CO2 and pollution than we would have anyways. The whole carbon tax shit is logically flawed.
Joseph Ramirez
They fail at basic logic. They came here for a job, presumably. That job now can't go to the natives, right? Unless they deposit more than they take, they're parasites.
Josiah Barnes
Labor implemented this in Australia, a ton of mines stopped rolling out and got taxed in the ass before liberals repelled it straight away in the next election. Damage was already done.
Carson Martin
Canada's entire economy is kept afloat as a big low tax zone for mining corporations (base in Canada mine in Africa) if we start charging a carbon tax on them we'll be even more fucked than you were.
Hudson Reyes
Liberals used to be able to run economies now they are going ball to the wall retarded. Selling all the gold, all the debt, now forcing business out. What a moron
Jason Ward
you're forgetting
>smugly answers "who cares" when crony friends spend 200k on moving >smugly "reminds" Alberta MP that, in response to his question during question period about possible ramifications about a carbon tax on jobs like his constituents have seen, Trudeau quipped "you're not in alberta"
YOU'RE
NOT
IN
ALBERTA
HE FUCKING HATES EVERYONE NOT BAY STREET/LAURENTIAN ELITE.
As if anyone in the west, east, or rural anywhere needs anymore reason to hate him
Christian Phillips
I think he was about to say MIGHT I REMIND YOU THAT PROVINCIAL PROBLEMS CAUSED BY FEDERAL POLICIES ARE NOT RELEVANT TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
Adrian Nguyen
Good on Wall. Good on NS and NFL as well.
that's getting old fast. It's not tenable to throw your life away by risking the charge of "racist" but soon people won't care.
Brexit and Trump show that name-calling and attempted shaming have lost their zest.
Thomas Cox
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Jose Cooper
>implement excessive regulations on carbons >businesses can't survive unless they move production to China, which is basically unregulated. >Businesses pollute more now, and supply less Canadian jobs.
I think the environment is the most important issue we face today, but this is not the way to solve it. No carbon tax will benefit any nation until we deal with the China problem.
Grayson Butler
Is it a good idea to move to Nunavut to avoid all the degeneracy
Jose Martin
It's exactly how the Australian economy has kept its self alive this long as well. Sydney is slowly turning into a finance capital to negate it but not fast enough with plummeting ore prices and alike the last 2 years.
The fact Canadians own more than several large gold mines in Australia and felt this through us first I hope they lobby the fuck out of it to get it stopped or he's replaced before then.
Jonathan Price
Why the fuck are corneas so expensive?
Aiden Richardson
...
Jacob Walker
Developing glasses.
Josiah Campbell
I think his contempt for Alberta was open enough when he said that shit a few years ago about AB being the problem in Canada and saying that Quebec was the best province ("this country... belongs to us")
Brandon King
I know a woman who has been a social worker up there for years. She says it's all drugs, abuse (sex and violence) and shamanistic witchcraft. So the answer to your question is probably no.
Cooper Kelly
Honestly most people weigh the idea of having a healthier planet over an ideological drive to keep a libertarian drive.
Mason Watson
Dank
Lincoln Carter
Didn't work here
They just removed the tax in the end
Evan Howard
>Its revenue neutral to the GOVERNMENT its revenue neutral everyone else gets to enjoy skyrocketing energy costs
Hudson Morris
I welcome our Prime Minister's choice to force (((innovation))) on a strict deadline.
If you want to pay even more out of the ass for food.
Andrew Hernandez
The worst part of it is that if you are taxing energy usage in Canada it will legitimately get people killed.
>Canada is responsible for 1.8% of global emissions >GUYS WE NEED TO REDUCE OUR EMISSIONS, PAY MORE TAXES OK >no change is felt globally
Carbon taxes are just another excuse to continue the erosion of the Canadian middle class.
Andrew Bell
Obviously, these quebecois politicians are intentionally harming the country & looting it
Jayden Kelly
Water encourages people growth, so you should walk into the ocean and breath deep.
Juan Morris
If our governments actually wanted to reduce emissions they'd put a trade embargo on China and other super industrial countries.
But like hell that'd ever happen
Gabriel James
>get invaded by chinks
>destroy your own economy to try to save the planet while a hundred times as many chinks on the other side of the planet recklessly destroy it a hundred times faster
Carson Martinez
>to be fair, FOOD is not a commodity in modern society (rather, it is a *necessity* for many people e.g. to SURVIVE), so it is not dictated by the normal supply/demand mumbo-jumbo (since people cannot go without it, the demand stays more or less constant).
>to be fair, LAND is not a commodity in modern society (rather, it is a *necessity* for many people e.g. PEOPLE NEED SHELTER FROM THE ELEMEMTS TO SUVIVE), so it is not dictated by the normal supply/demand mumbo-jumbo (since people cannot go without it, the demand stays more or less constant).
You fascinatingly, frighteningly ignorant and you speak with no understanding of what you are saying or even what is being discussed.
Caleb James
>If you elect me, I will legalize marijuana! >lol I meant in 2018 >If you elect me, I will protect gay people and eliminate the wage gap! >lol I meant in 2018 >If you elect me, I will save the environment! >lol I meant in 2018
Trudeau was literally elected by WOMEN because he's a qt3.14 drama teacher.
Tell me again why women should be allowed to vote?
Owen Myers
So corrupt politicians and businessmen can manipulate them
Doesn't matter because we have nothing to lose. City people are mad because housing costs are too high and non-city people are also mad because commuting takes too much time. The conservashits' "limited government" mentality allowed for all this unplanned, inefficient, purposeless construction to happen and basically turned the entire country into shit. At this point any government action is welcome.
Benjamin Allen
bump
Alexander Lee
Trudeau got in on 39% of the vote most of whom were either protesting against Harper or realized that NDP were a 20 something college student's idea of Communism after reading the manifesto while high.
Elijah Sanchez
But three of them in human history had problems. It is too dangerous you maniac.
Juan Nguyen
>canada gets rid of all its gold >taxes its own oil
What will canada have left? Maple syrup?
Oliver Kelly
Coming to north america soon.
Julian Foster
aids
Leo Rogers
We are Siamese if you please We are Siamese if you don't please
Leo Bennett
>that 'stache
blech
Caleb Collins
Not an argument.
Dylan Kelly
Sucks to be you Canacucks... but this is karma for your endless shit posting and you know it. Repent. Perhaps you will be spared.
... lol nah, j/k, you're all fucked.
Jeremiah Taylor
2019 can't come soon enough. We need liberation from this cuckoldry.
Juan Scott
Can someone please in point form explain what the liberals have done wrong since taking power?
I remember last time they were in office they were rife with corruption and "claiming" as much money as they could take.
Gabriel Sanders
You elected an idiot. He could not figure out how to run a cash drawer, and he's running your country. Housing skyrockets Infrastructure burns Economy plummets > let's tax the only thing still making $
Jump the wall, broseph. I prefer you to Mexicans. That place you call home I'd going to crash and burn shortly
Jayden Martinez
Every country who had good relations with canada offered to help for free. But he chose the niggers and pay them but they didnt end up working and just whined
Josiah Butler
>and he still payed for charted flights and training, housing, food, diplomatic costs. Bloody brilliant, who could pay more... for less?
John Gomez
I pour my used motor oil down the storm drain. Thats literally worse than driving your car for a year (and I do that too)