College vs. Trade

>soldering a PCB
>holding the metal part thats probably 600+F

2 things

First, motherboards like that aren't hand soldered, they're generally done in things like wave solder machines.

Secondly, see the part she's holding? That part would be too hot to hold. The brown part is the insulation.

>that's the joke

That's the hot part.

>HR care more about vagina and brown skin than your Github account
Pretty broad statement, lots of companies are run by people with brains and engineers are part of the hiring process

Jesus, how did something like that slip through the cracks? You think someone during that shoot would know about that, considering someone had to supply them with the solder thingy.

Only go to college if you have an ambition to become a doctor or a lawyer or something of that height. And nothing else.

This
Go to college if you want a degree that will guarantee a good career out of the door, otherwise avoid it all together.

(OP)
>So far the only thing college is doing is putting people in ridiculous debt and brainwashing them into socialists

yep

For a hundred thousand years there have been two genders, now I'm supposed to believe there are hundreds because the snowflakes around me will do anything to be victims and feel special.

Engineers are only part of the hiring process after HR have filtered the hundreds of applicants caused by inflated unemployment. The people with "brains" hire sociology graduates to filter these applications, yes, the same courses designed to instill anti white male sentiments.

get certifications, do apprenticeships. make bank

I went to 2 year community college and it did nothing for me (obviously); I got out, knew someone in a company and now I'm starting a new job at top pay for like 100k+ a year at 23. Working on an app in the meantime for residual income; really all you have to do is something and try to make it through whatever you can.

Women

Stock photo

Lucky.

Are you seriously implying trades are poor paying occupations? I don't know who the fuck is paying someone so stupid ANYTHING. Ostensibly you are a waste of money and paying for your school would have been throwing good money after bad.

You don't solder that shit
You don't hold the soldering iron there, unless you wanna be burnt
The actual background of the lab she is in has a fume hood and sinks and what looks to potentially be a centrifuge - she's in a chem lab, you wouldn't do this there
Those aren't real safety glasses - and you sure as fuck don't wear them for soldering
No labcoat, smock or safety equipment you wear when working with chemicals

Chances are she's from HR or is a student or a receptionist, that they just did a photo op on. Probably arranged by someone from HR who has no idea how the lab itself actually works.

I went to school for free. But do go on. Tell me about what type of trades earn 100k+ at the age of 22.

>Stock photo
You sure about that? Seems llike some sort of picture they'd have on the college website. Stock photos usually have watermarks all over them.

Around my location, Welders out of school get about 40 an hour, and thats when you first start off, gets a lot higher. Thats already 75k before you even reach 22.

I am an interior/graphic designer and when I just started out I worked for a firm. My co-workers would be passive aggressive towards me because I didn't go to college and specifically saying that I don't deserve to be there because I didn't go to college and that I am taking a job from people who did

What's Cred Forums's view of this? Personally, I find it childish and it's masking your incompetence behind a degree

I got a six figure job before I graduated highschool for welding. No debt or anything.

Trades are for men who live the redpill and do real work. Honest work for honest cash, no dick sucking or jewry involved.

75k in leaf money is around 50k in real money.

I have a friend who granted he is 29 but he owns his own business as an electrician, has several other employees and about to open a second location. He keeps telling me his income is only limited by his ambition, the more he works the more he makes. If you are making what you claim, is that hourly? Salary? regardless you will only make what someone else determines you make, unless it's sales, then you're just a masterful lying scum.

At 22, you can have your 2nd Class Steam Ticket - low wage for that in Canada is around 91k, higher end is 116k if you're a shift supervisor.

Yeah but I'm only 5'6'' so it all evens out somewhere.

That's only partially true it's not an absolute.

Again, nobody fucking cares about leaf money.

>people ITT didn't go to school for underwater welding

You think trades aren't useful?

You do realize where physical systems come from, right?

We can fix them with more diversity

Both tradesman and higher ed grads are needed in the world you moron. When you get a useless degree or one in a saturated job market is when you have a shit time getting hired after school.

You can't be this stupid, burger.

Exactly I fell for the college meme and now I run my own business and the way I was trained in small business management was by running a Wendy's while going to college. At least something worked out thank god.

Plumbers will always be necessary. you think some pretentious nu-male would deal with the shit? No they think they are above that guy even though he makes twice what a college professor does.

You can't do a business unless you know how to do a SWOT analysis and a social audit.

How do I get into those manual jobs where you work long hours and make good money and overtime? I hear pipe welding, machinist-being is like that. Do I go to a specific school, can I apply without any related experience, or do I just have to know someone?

I do my own plumbing, anyone can do it. It's not hard.

Burger, please stop. You're clearly triggered because you went to school for some liberal arts degree. Don't get mad at everyone else.

i believe you, but at the same time doubt you, sorry friend.

College should be reserved for intelligent people. Flooding universities with 10 gorillion IQ 105 mouthbreathers who can't into non-meme degrees drags the entire country's institutions down while sending prices through the roof

I didn't. I studied engineering and make more than you ever will.

What you guys who push "trade jobs" so hard don't realize is that if everyone listened to you, every single trade out there would be super-saturated with workers, the jobs would be scant, and the competition would drive the wages way the fuck down.

It'd be the same exact thing, only in other fields.

If you have a trade job, I suggest you shut the fuck up and enjoy your trade job.

It takes a college education for someone to hold a solder gun like that.

>and make more than you ever will.

Well, I studied super engineering, and I make double what you will, always.

You're doubting me about the price of welders? Just look it up. Its not opinion.

Trades are saturated too. You have to compete with Mexicans.

THIS

College should not be pushed as the default option after high school. The reason we're so fucked right now is because you have millions going into college, half assing the experience with emphasis on partying, getting some worthless degree in a subject that sounded good to them and now entering into adulthood with debt and no marketable skills.

I started getting paid $105k a year full benefits right out of highschool at 18 for welding as a plumber/pipefitter for a local HVAC company

Two friends from my class are making $1000 a day welding in Montana and Utah for a drilling company. They work for a few months out of the year and do whatever the fuck they want for the rest of it. I also have a friend who just finished school in Florida for underwater welding who's about to make $100k+ a year starting.

We all graduated from the same class of 19 kids. It was a two year course we all started as juniors in highschool. In all it cost less than $800 and was counted as a highschool credit course. The only person who paid for school after highschool was the underwater welder, who will probably make twice as much as me in a couple years.

Absolutes don't mean shit. Work ethics do. Niggers will make nigger tier pay. In trades you get paid based on the hard work you do.

t. 265 28 year old living with single obese mom in dilapidated apartment full of fast food trash and parasite infested cats

kys

Study math. You are guaranteed 300k starting and extensive benefits and 40 hour weeks.

>more than you ever will

I dropped out of high school at the 9th grade never even got my ged and i own a multimillion dollar company that I built from the ground up.

Soldering is so easy

i love all these cucks bragging about working

>t. investor class

Sure you do.

It's not pushed, more of a brag. A brag as in, I will never have school debt and always have work. Also it doesn't matter how pushed it is. College is a money scam. College will always be 10x more
Pushed because it's a business.

>do a trade

im a graduate student. i worked summer jobs with guys from construction, all of whom are in their 40s and 50s telling me i have the best thing going for me. Well paying trades are nice they say, but by the time you're in your mid 30s your body is broken from all the hard labor you've had to do and you go into something less paying and easier. its a "young mans game" they say whereas im getting the opportunity towards something I can do my entire life.

the very people who have worked in trades and left tell me not to do them. trade is just as red pilled as it is suited for the young and naive.

Dont listen to them. They are butthurt you are beating the system. Keep on hustling.

Couldn't be less true unless you're doing spic tier trades like landscaping

It's kinda implied were talking about skilled trades

Well pal, you are one in a million. They say you shouldn't even be a journeymen until your mid 20's and not considered a good one until 30. So either you are a super hands on welder or a shitty one with an employer who has too much money to care.

How easy was it to find a job in welding when you finished high school? I know welders are needed, just curious if I'd be able to find a job for welding locally or if I'd have to go out of state to work again. If I'm raking in six figures it doesn't bother me that I'd have to work out of state.

Also what sort of certification courses would you recommend for someone with no experience in welding but is very interested?

theyre butthurt just ignore them and once you build a nice portfolio move to a different firm where youll make friends

>zooming in on the hand like its the only problem
that's the wrong side of the board to work
that's not even a lab for electronics work
a woman has no place in that sort of environment

m8 im 21 working as a Geo-technician, easily pulling 120k plus company car, stop being a pleb and try at something for once

fgts when I was 7 months old I dropped out of middle school and started my own multi trillion dollar youtube asmr channel

>brainwashing them into socialists

Not even socialists... something way worse. regular old socialists like most of their professors are just aghast at these persecution-complex whiny fucknuts.

They are not being prepared for the real world

The problem is they will get out and with their degrees get jobs teaching in public schools and the indoctrination will spread. they will grade on a scale, enforcing their own personal affirmative action. they will treat little children like shit just because of their skin color and penis, doing longterm psychological damage to them.

They will get jobs in management, in human resources, and enforce insidiously abuse their position to enact their twisted idealogy.

WE NEED TO BUILD A DATABASE DOCUMENTING THESE FUCKERS AND THEIR BELIEFS BEFORE THEY GO DARK AND ENTER THE WORKFORCE

Otherwise we will never be able to filter them out, never be able to root them out, never be able to monitor them, and never be able to sue them out. Yes, sue them. Make them cost-prohibitive to their employers.

And if they start a violent civil war, we will know the enemies within.

***SJW DATABASE***

im sure shes just installing more ram

Damn.. No bro lol. Every trade is different. Those 40 to 50 year old guys also grew up in the era of no safety. Things have changed. Also when you say construction I'm assuming you are talking about carpentry in which case is the nigger slave of all trades and shouldn't even be compared to /Refrigeration/Electric/Plumbing and I guess welding.

The only way that'd be true is nepotism.

>go to community college for associate's
>finish up BS in uni
>mfw major in math and CS
>mfw $300k starting

you have two options

believe a stranger on Cred Forums arguing that he made 6 figures at 18 years old as a plumber

or believe that getting a useful* education will lead you wealth like roughly 90% of the upper class today.

choice is yours.

You are correct at that assumption user, just tell them to fuck off desu. You have no idea how many people tried to feed me shit because I learned my trade in the workshop instead of a college. All of those people today are job drifters and me, at 28, own my own business and pick and choose which job I want to take. If I listened to thise jackasses I would be in the same position today as them.

>Finishing a job thursday then I am theoretically done for the rest of the year.

Anybody here do cabling? Telecom cabling in particular (network closets, ground fiber, etc).

Thinking about dropping college for the time being and doing that instead, until I at least have enough money to go back without resorting to loans.

quora.com/How-much-does-Microsoft-pay-a-new-grad-software-engineer
quora.com/How-much-does-Google-pay-a-new-grad-software-engineer
quora.com/What-is-the-salary-for-new-grads-starting-at-Dropbox-in-2016

desu when your that age and in the trade industry you really should have your own business going with a couple apprentices doing all the hard and heavy stuff. atleast thats pw it tends to work in aus

Feel the same way. I was hoping the professors and the schedule would be tough, like really tough. Never really was all that difficult.I think it was all nerfed to not hurt feelings. I ended up going to another school for graduate studies and it was more or less the same outcome. Maybe only 5-6 schools I would've enjoyed attending. I did attend for a meme degree, though. CS.

Those are flawed graphs. They also take into account apprentice wages.

>Massive debt
It's the fucking idiots who no matter what want to go to expensive institutions. I go to a community college and my financial aid was more than enough to pay everything, in fact I got some money back.
$0 debt.
And it's actually respected institution in my state, great school, great professors.

When can a pressure welder make good coin the the old US of A?

that's just classism, they have a social system set up to exclude people from opportunity and you broke through... somehow. suck dick?

do you not see how it takes those into account and files them appropriately?

You guys remember this one?

Gotta love kike propaganda to shill just how ""capable"" non-white, non-males are at whatever bullshit libshit kikes take for granted and are not genuinely interested in anyways.

White male, job as SDE straight out of college making six figures.

But I also don't suck so there is that

Dropped out of school at 16 and making 150k as a plumber at 17 years old.

University is going to be tuition free in my province of Ontario if you qualify. My mom is on welfare, I qualify.

I make 175k a year at 23, was out of school not even a month before I got hired. Try majoring in something worth a shit. Trades suck, the pay is decent but it slave work. No girl wants to date a plumber/welder/electrician etc

>tfw biology degree
>tfw $9hr at home depot

College is just a business now. You got money to give in the form of up-front payments or a loan that hangs over your head for the rest of your life? Come on in! The amount of two-digit IQ 'tards who attend them just to party it up for a couple of years and study some bullshit humanities bachelor or whatever should make this clear enough.

in which case you're making effectively 50K because the high cost of living in the area of those employers, and working so many hours that you're really not making that much when you break it down.

>useful education
you seem to have missed out on economics 101

when demand is higher than supply prices rise

wage is a price, it's the price for an employer to buy a person's time

if demand for some skill is completely eclipsed by supply, wages will drop

this is why your average teenager working at mcdonalds flipping burgers gets minimum wage, but a doctor gets 200k+. the doctor is rarer. if 50 million people suddenly acquired the education to be a doctor and started competing, his wage would plummet.

by forcing everyone into tertiary education and shaming them if they choose to do something else, you are working to raise the supply of educated and skilled individuals and are thus lowering the wages associated with high skill jobs.

in some cases it actually may be better for someone to get a job being a plumber or electrician, if the skill of labor for those jobs are restricted and as thus demand is high.

stop being an obtuse classist fuck.

Good for you buddy.

There's probably some nepotism element or you're in a red state, I don't know. Maybe you're just full of shit, because I even see a lot of Americans complain. I'm from Melbourne so things are relatively bad here.

Good luck on your career, may you rot in hell if you're the type to lie on anonymous boards.

I'm in the office from 9 to 5 and spend 30 minutes eating the free breakfast and 45 minutes eating the free lunch. I pay $1400 a month for rent which is pennies compared to my income.

Care to explain how three other "one in a millions" came from the same class of 19?

I'm a good welder, but I'm smart and have a good work ethic among other skills. Anybody whose not retarded and has a good work ethic and some wit can do the same and more. I didn't win the lottery. I networked and got hired on as a welder/plumber/pipefitter through a union for an HVAC company. The HVAC company likes me so much for my dependency and reliability that they request me regularly and offer me higher pay (minimum for me now would be around 75k). America has the STEM field filled well and a ready industry, just nobody capable of running the industry itself. It's supply and demand for skilled tradesmen. Companies need unions now, not workers. Skilled trades are the #1 hardest job to fill in the USA and its holding our economy back.

Extremely easy, provided you're a hard worker. I got a job offer for the summer of my junior year which was about halfway through the course.

I live in Ohio which has a pretty killer economy with a low cost of living and nice places to live. Also based gun laws, the only shitty thing here is the inconsistent weather.

As far as recommendations go for someone new to manufacturing, I'd recommend Hobart Institute of Welding Technology in Troy, Ohio. It's about a 9 month course but they're widely recognized and one of, if not the, best welding schools in the nation/world.

If the 10k trade school course isn't your thing (even though you can pay it off wicked fast), then I'd suggest your local plumber+pipefitters union. Many offer a very nice deal and will train you provided you're smart enough and not a nigger. Mine is very nice, they even offer to pay for an associates degree for you through the local community college and sometimes OSU

Okay script kiddie settle down.
I'm a master electrician bringing home about 57k.

People like you who sit behind computers typing away at keys almost make me sick to my stomach. You wouldn't know good honest hard work if it bit you in the ass.
>I'll bet your hands don't even have callouses

Just because you can learn how to code sitting in your moms basement and you got a job doing it doesn't make you better than anyone.
What would happen if software engineers just stopped? Just went on strike.
NOTHING. People have been learning to code on their own time without degrees since the dawn of the internet.
You know what happens when men with trades like plumbers, electricians and carpenters stop?
The infrastructure starts to fall apart, people don't have electricity, people don't get water and they get really mad.

There will always be a need for people like me whether you like it or not. Right now you're sitting in a home where someone like me spent hours wiring it up just so your happy hip hop hooray ass could complain about people with trades.

Be grateful because we won't always need software engineers but we will always need plumbers, electricians and carpenters.

In short go fuck yourself the men are working hard to make America great again.

>Canada
>must be on welfare
Isn't your whole country on welfare though?

What did you major in? And some examples of majors that are worth a shit

I never called a plumber or electrician in my life. I learned how to do those things when I was 12.

>Skilled trades are the #1 hardest job to fill in the USA

You see this in job surveys year after year. One reason is the employers don't want to pay enough. Another is they are using that excuse to hire illegal immigrants and push for "work visa" programs, just like how H1B is being used to fuck over American STEM workers.

Worthwhile majors (4 year degrees):
>accounting
>nursing
>computer science
>engineering (minimum 3.00 GPA)

yes user i'm sure the power grid and the sanitation grid just magically repairs itself

Wtf is steam ticket anyways wtf??

You're a master electrician bringing home 57k? do you chose to not run your own business, and work 30 hrs a week for someone else?

combine trade with liberal study

theres too much theory and too little practicality and application in university.

the arts that impart skills like weaving, painting, sculpture are okay programs
everything else they need ro pick up an art or a skilled trade

make internships and apprenticeship mandatory

lol. there are plenty of people who do not go to college believe it or not. if you havent looked it up for yourself, you can google "X trade salary" and see that the salaries being thrown around here are being inflated by almost 200% in some cases. The top 10% of plumbers making near $80k.

I hear you, but I dont believe you. there is no credibility on Cred Forums when people are trying to argue that a plumber is going to make more than a scientist/CS/engineer/etc. it doesnt take talking down to me about "economics 101" to see that plumbers and welders are not seated in wealthy communities.

Public service work is always done by mexicans for pennies. If you are making a significant amount of money as an electrician or plumber you are overcharging out the ass doing residential calls, and from my point of view the equivalent of a geek squad monkey from a usefulness standpoint.

Okay this is a lie, if you were being paid $175k out of college you would've been recruited for a position like that while you were still in school. This post was made by a LARPing basement dweller.

Pulling cable sucks, but it's honest work. Strength is necessary unless you want the job to kick your ass.

It gets weird when the job calls for lube. Sometimes the cables are being outright bastards and you need the extra elbow grease. If you're pulling anything that's both high voltage and lubed; well every man in the crew knows exactly what it feels like. The sensation is something like you and the rest of the crew are jerking off Poseidon's favorite stallion.

As an aside, your bants will become world class. There's no doubt in my mind that the upper crust of American Bants and Shitposting comes from the Blue-collar sector.

>theres too much theory and too little practicality and application in university.
>make internships and apprenticeship mandatory
They really should. Some programs do this but most don't.

Can confirm, bantz (!=bullshitting) all fuckin day. Took awhile to get used to it, and its great.

What do you do

Oh yeah champ?
You wanna tell me what kind of outlet you would put in your kitchen?
>The technical name please that you would ask the guy at home depot
You want to tell me the type of wire you have to run into a breaker box?
You want to explain to me the difference between a single pole and two pole breaker?
E=IxR?
What's the only way you're allowed to run wire through conduit or a knockout?
What's the difference between maximum current rating and actual current rating?
>Also please explain the reasoning
What are the two requirements all outlets must have in order for it to be passed on inspection?
Why can't you run wire across the beams in your ceiling?

You probably know how to wire up an outlet with your phone in your hand with a guide on youtube.

You don't know shit.
>I'll bet you'll google most of these I won't know but you will

>I hear you, but I dont believe you.
see pic.

also i don't know how it is in america, but here in australia something like 75% of all high school graduates are expected to go to university.

>there is no credibility on Cred Forums when people are trying to argue that a plumber is going to make more than a scientist/CS/engineer/etc
it's simple

there is a specific amount of work that needs to be done

this work is sectioned up into various industries, each one requiring a set of skills

there is a set amount of work to be done by scientists, engineers, plumbers, etc.

when you take 3 generations, force onto them the idea that the only way to become wealthy is to go to university, then demonize trades, you end up manufacturing a deficit of people working in skilled labor jobs and a surplus of people working in skilled office jobs

thus, and you WILL see this happen over the next decade, as older tradies retire there will be less young people willing to enter into trades, and the wage for trades will spike

supply and demand 101 user, if you can't comprehend it i somehow doubt you've gone to university

...user, electricians who work on houses are not the same as the people who maintain the power grid, but you'll find both groups entered into their industries via trades and probably weren't the best at book work

of course there will be fancy ass engineers who went to university, but the workers still need to be skilled

Illegals can't fill skilled trades desu,

Illegals fill meme tier trades like carpentry, construction, and landscaping.

They can't fill the worthwhile positions of pretty much any welding and sheet metal fabrication job, plumbers, pipefitters, specified mechanics or really any genuinely "skilled" trade. Skilled trades are the gardens to fill because the workforce of people actually capable of filling those positions is minuscule thanks to absolutely nobody being introduced or pushed into them in modern day US high schools. Or by their parents. The reasons for that are up for debate ranging from safety concerns, to the S1-S2 program during Vietnam. But those are the facts.

enjoying that 50k salary over there you're inflating on the internet?

So what's a good trade to get into? I'm looking at a community college that has tons of trades to choose from

>Air condition
>plumbing
>mechanic

The even saddest meme is if these people werent so gravely in debt they could at least contribute more to society by being able to pay taxes and buy goods in the economy. Now they just throw money in an interest hole that never ends before they realize how much theyre paying.

>I'll bet you'll google most of these I won't know but you will
Thanks for proving my point. Your job must be so hard if literally anyone can google how to do it.

>Are you seriously implying that I am incorrect for assuming being a laborer is inferior to working as a skilled worker with value, character, passion and genuine intelligence

Electric lineman. Easily make 200k with over time. I know a guy that made 95k his first year

Uhh the guys that work on the grid make $40hr, plus awesome healthcare and great pensions and annuities. Overall their compensation is more like $60/hr for the basic guy. Many of the guys who have been doing it for 15 years are multi-millionaires.

Drawback is you are subject to Presidential order whenever there is a big natural disaster, but you work so much overtime with free food/housing during those situations, its all federal emergency block grants so nobody gives a fuck, its juicy if you don't have a family.

If you are a programmer look into a H1B to come to the US. I work with some shitty engineers that need to be kept on their toes.

Lol, I'm already damn good with the bantz. I do it every day and I currently work IT (alongside my student obligations).

I'm pretty much the guy that makes work fun.

But yeah, I don't mind hard work as long as I'm not doing it myself. That's the only thing I'm worried about. Hate doing shit all by my lonesome. Work is infinitely more tolerable if I have a buddy or crew to work with.

By brown skin you mean Indians right? I'm an engineer and almost everyone I see is white/Asian/Indian.

College has been stupid easy for me so far, cruising through Bio and Math at about 95-97% I hope they're actually teaching me enough to cope with the stuff I'll need in Uni.

Fucking kek. I'd love to hand him some 0805 SMD resistors and tell him to get busy, while I record the results.

>inflating
Nobody really needs more than 2k/month unless they're unfulfilled in their personal life and trying to substitute.
I'm quite content with my salary.
>literally anyone can google how to do it
Yeah good luck. I have to certify again on my NEC just to keep my license. Most of the NEC is unavailable for free online so you have to either have that or an UGLY book to know what you're doing. Otherwise you're going to space your outlets 11.34 inches from each other and your inspector is going to red tag the whole building.

I can just imagine the cluster fuck your attic and box are. Just a complete house fire waiting to happen.

Unless you can answer these questions as well as the minimum requirement for electrical work space and the voltage requirement for said work space you don't know shit.

You still don't know shit but when your panel blows out because of your shitty wiring job because you forgot to polarize your outlets you'll call someone like me and you'll come bitch about it again.

Stay mad.

by electing Trump

Companies will have 5 journeymen on the job and 30 illegals. Yeah they are sloppy and inefficient and unsafe, but they are cheap and exploitable, this is happening.

I'm talking about non-union companies of course. Unions will still have illegals sneaking into the ranks but they are paid on par with everybody else. Triad Electric is a massive nationwide non-union company and they use a shit ton of illegals, for example.

I have a question about this "College is a scam" meme. What if you want to do something like chemical or mechanical engineering? How do you anons get into a field like that? Do you just start at as a plumber or something at 3M and work your way up to engineering, learning things like thermodynamics on your off time and slowly showing them that you know how it all works? I feel like I'm doing pretty well right now early in my career and I believe that I can do engineering, even if I can't become some amazingly respected engineer making hundreds of thousands a year, but I don't think I would have been able to do it on my own and with no direction.

Depending on which school you're at you can usually skip the HR filter via career fairs.

Being fire risks, you always see amateur shit done that causes their KW-hr usage to significantly increase on their monthly bill.

I member that

Torrent books for free and self teach.

I appreciate the recognition, if you lurk long enough you'll figure out who I am and eventually find my github, basically all the facts you need to be assured I'm actually decent at what I do.

Unfortunately, I can't afford to move. This is the issue with poverty in the west, the third worlders seem to be able to afford to move here but we can't afford to move anywhere. We're stuck by having double digit bank accounts in places with triple digit flight costs.

Yeah, I guess.

They'd actually prefer (black) Hispanic and black but they settle for Asians. It's basically hire whoever but don't hire the white male. This is becoming transparent as fuck.

I tried that, you get a bag full of brochures and that's it. Career fairs are a lie.

If you're still at uni/college, thanks for the advice but no thanks. Back then, I too didn't believe it was as bad as it is. I actually thought I'd get a job easily just by being obviously good.

But again, HR don't read githubs.

Should I do Accounting or become an Electrician?

Please respond.

25% of students graduating is more than enough people to fill trades. obviously people coming out of the university arent able to find jobs in their lib arts field, so theres a possibility they will go to trades as well. I know people who have.

You're also assuming all work is equal, and theres just a quantity that needs to be tackled with brute numbers of people. Research science doesnt operate that way, engineering doesnt operate that way, programming doesnt operate that way. It requires skills that more people today are getting than ever before, yes, but few people can do it sufficiently. These are the people that matter in these professions. you can replace 5 dumb engineers for 1 smart one easy. the material and skill is very difficult to understand.

Trades are not difficult to understand. they take practice, strength, and abilities working with your hands. potentially anyone can do them and they are paid appropriately. IF what you say is true and there is some kind of void of trade workers that needs to be filled these days (there isnt, I have an electrician in my family) you will still not see "wage spikes" like are being described in this thread. Never in my life have i heard of anyone in a trade approaching $100k/year. that is bullshit.

again, take a look at the people living in wealthy communities. they arent plumbers and electricians. They are engineers, scientists, lawyers, and doctors. There is something severely wrong in the argument you are trying to make when this fact exists. No one is getting rich off fixing your sink except your boss with the MBA.

The point of college is that your parents pay for it, you goof around few years instead of having to worry about a job, get up to a masters level, in a good place, and you are guaranteed a high paying job by then.

College isn't to prepare people, quite the opposite, it is a way for kids with welthy families to have an easier time reaching the high paying jobs, it is less competitive than having to rise through the rank of the work force or being indepenent and making it big.

For most people that do not fit tht criteria, or pick a very lucrative career, it is a waste of both time and money.

But people are still motivated to go through with it, because that is just the accepted and parroted "truth".

You go to a great university for that field in engineering. Google it.

It's the most common problem of a high power bill. They install the wrong shit in the wrong way with the thought that they could do it just like a pro.
>MFW amateurs install dual pole breakers on a 120/220 system

College is too expensive but it's easy to payback your loans if you aren't a retard and pick a decent field/take advantage of internships and connections. The people voting for Bernie and demanding free college while being $100k in debt were sociology/english/art majors who just followed their passion and didn't realize that's not enough in the real world.

If it's one of the jobs that require you to have a piece of paper saying you know what you're doing you're fucked.

That's like asking if a maintenance person in a hospital can self teach into a surgeon.

You're right for the most part, though there are some people who learned this stuff themselves.

I'm an electrician and electronics hobbyist, everything I know was learned through dicking around as a kid and 56k internet.

Then again I've loved it since I was a kid, I'm 24 now and actually put effort into learning about it.

>mfw load not balanced and they are paying 80% more than they should

>college is putting people in ridiculous debt
Only if you're stupid. Seriously, there's no reason to get into debt and that's all on the student, not the college. Also, what is financial aid, grants, scholarships. I'm currently going to school with zero debt; i've only paid a small deductible >100.
Also, trade schools are just as expensive, depending where you go.

Trades are based

Get rid of guaranteed federal and state aid. Colleges only charge so much because they know they can. They know they'll always get paid in the end.

What's the job?

You can't entirely blame the student for falling for the college meme.

Not only is the idea pumped into their brains since Middle school and all through high school, Universities actually allocate a shit ton of money on advertising themselves to students to get them to sign up. It's actually pretty ludicrous.

I only graduated last year and got my position thanks to talking to the recruiters and doing well on their phone screen. Before that I was applying to internships at the same company via the website every year and got no response.

I forgot about welders, underwater and pipe fitters. Crane operators. Some mechanics, if you wanna consider the oil industry part of the trades branch there is that too.

What kind of work do you do? Looking at going into geotech.

I love hearing kids talk about how much they make, yadda yadda. Doesn't matter what you do. If you're motivated and semi intelligent you'll make real money. Being a genius means fuck all. Being a miserable edgy cunt will get you no where. Just pick a job and get along with people you work with. Don't throw anyone under the bus.

I'm a welder and a boilermaker. Worked my way up to supervision roles. I've crawled up from having tools thrown at me by miserable old cunts to motivating those same miserable cunts to work. I love those miserable cunts.

I've worked for multiple companies this year. This is my current one. Maybe another month of pay before this one is done.

To be fair job applications are mostly a crapshoot, I had people more qualified than me get rejected because they happened to be candidates for a different team.

>Not becoming a teacher so that you can ensure that the next generation is redpilled

I'm sure you don't go out and offer your services to others though. It's one thing to burn down your own home it's another thing to burn down your buddies gazebo after you wired it up with your limited electrical knowledge.

You gotten a NEF yet? You'll need it to know codes and standards. UGLY is just as good if not better with their references but doesn't look good on the job.
Both are worth it if you're going to be doing some DIY work on your house and don't want it red tagged.
>MFW they think more amperage on the breaker makes it more stable and efficient

Yes, it is there fault. They say this in highschool and they've said this in college: there is no reason to put yourself in debt.
If you can't afford the class, then don't take it. If you can't afford to go to a university, then go to community first. There is absolutely no reason for a student to get a loan and go into debt. Finishing in 4 years is the meme.

This is true. Too many people are pushed into college and are taught that it's the only path to getting a decent career. Standards are lower so more people are admitted who probably don't belong there. Colleges don't care because it gives them an excuse to drastically raise tuition prices and the government can give students loans like candy without regards to their credit history. The amount of kids who go to school just because they were told they were supposed to or because they want to "find themselves" is just staggering.

Financial aid covers a lot but not everything. I lived in the dorms and had to take out loans to cover that (although my tuition and books were covered by grant money so I only had to pay like $10k for room and board for a year). If I didn't fuck around as much in high school I probably could've had scholarships cover it.

Thats p. good. How much over time do you work? Whats the second line with 50K?

Is that monthly or bi-weekly?

I've been somewhat convinced for a while now that if you're in college majoring in something other than STEM you're being scammed out of your money and your time.

So there was some amount of nepotism involved, okay.

The crapshoot belief is what motivates diversity policies, if it's just luck then why not place your chances on the minority instead of the white male?

This is my real angst, everyone expects white male graduates to either get jobs through connections or create their own jobs through self employment, despite neither really being possible. When you're a graduate, people are wary of you trying to game them for connections. When you're a graduate, you simply don't know enough about the industry to start your own business.

People are too eager to place self responsibility on white men. That's not fair.

Those majors are also cheaper to facilitate for the universities.

If you're going in for a soft science or an art major, you're getting fucked coming & going.

>If you can't afford the class, then don't take it. If you can't afford to go to a university, then go to community first

But see, that's the thing. They DON'T tell you these things in public school. It's manipulative as fuck and they always word it like "do what's affordable for you" whilst subtly nudging them towards taking out loans.

They almost never mention community college, reinforce the "finish in four years path" meme, and overall pound into your head that if you don't go to college you're basically going to become a McDonalds loser (as FUCKING ironic that is).

You must understand that not many people are very bright and they're being taken advantage of by the schooling system to pump them into the college system and pump them right back out. Uni is more of a business than an academic institution at this point.

Do you consider talking to recruiters to be nepotism? These were people I have never met before.

>That's not fair.
I don't see how thinking like a victim will help.

>normal Joe
>foot in the door, get trade certifications, and be >a supervisor

Except for really the "normal Joe" uneducated twat lives the vapelife all day and doesn't do shit
University is what you make of it, and hard workers go on to produce. Maybe learning is a good idea.

Dirty secret, almost all community colleges have lower divisions that are better suited for 1st & 2nd year majors and also are better paced than quarter system universities.

You can walk away without knowing anything about multivariable calculus after spending 2.5 months on it at a top-rated UC.. but you'll know it inside & out spending 4 months on it at a community college.

The reality is, all of the lower division shit is foundational, and if you don't get it; you're going to get fucked later on.

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Well, you seemed to know them through the internship you did.

It also shits me that the second I point out some unfair and provably unfair I'm told I'm playing the victim as if I should just accept responsibility for being rejected. You know what, what if I am the victim? Where's my social rights movement?

Just using that word doesn't discredit my experience.

Yep. Don't forget these are 18 year old kids who've never lived on their own before or had limited experiences with finances we're talking about here. Even when they mention community college there's still this stigma that it's somehow inferior. I fell for the meme and enrolled in a 4 year state university despite the fact my parents only made $35k a year from my dad's construction job, but I was lucky because I was able to get a decent software development job and lived with my parents for a couple years while I paid off my loans (plus grants/aid/fafsa/part time job in school covered a lot of it). Many people in my situation aren't as fortunate.

But don't you think that labor jobs will be needed less and less as time progresses? Automation is already in higher demand than labor and it's speculated that a technological singularity will occur somewhere around 2050. So if office jobs can't sustain because of an inevitable mechanical mind replacing them, what keeps labor from being replaced by mechanical muscles? Supply and demand doesn't really apply to humans in a robot dominated workforce.

Right. I found this out after I was well into my freshman year so it was too late for me.

I was wise on pretty much all other aspects of Uni, however, thanks to |POL|.

It really is a scummy ass thing they do. I mean, I swear and shit you not, I'm sitting in some of my gen-ed classes with people who seem like they can barely fucking read at a 7th grade level and speak even worse.

Literally retarded.

Currently hiring for enterprise system dev job. I will give benefit of the doubt to my friends whom I know lack the necessary skills on day 1, simply because I can coach them on how to not be a fuck up.

Some random jack ass from the internet, is probably not going to get that same luxury. It is what it is.

Depends on who is asking and what they want, unless it is something dead simple then I refer them to my friend who is licensed.

I've been slowly fixing the clusterfuck in my parents old house. Full of ancient aluminum wiring mixed with copper (And not in the safe or approved way either) that has caused fires in the wall before. Actually found some insulation melting when I last visited, light switch plate was actually hot to touch. Whole place should be torn down honestly.

I do marine electrical, currently on an 80 foot power boat with 2 transformers, 3 generators and 4 inverters. Pic related just got hooked up and finished.

I spent all of last month rerunning massively undersized wire (16 and 14 gauge when the minimum requirement for that run was 8 gauge).

It is pretty crazy how unregulated marine electrical work is, there's always something extremely fucked you find along the way.

So you'd rather someone either fix your problem or be forced to fix your problem?

Am I obligated to give you money to help fix your problem? Or is that guy? And why?

>they don't tell you these things in public school
I was told this, so that's subjective. Either they really didn't tell you, or you never paid attention. I know people from different states who are well informed about community vs uni.
Is it really the school taking advantage of students, or is it the students fault?

Exactly. Classes are much smaller so you get more interaction with professors rather than a university. Also, you're paying for the exact same classes but way cheaper or, in some cases, free, this including all levels of math and physics required for engineers

If they mentioned it, they mentioned it in passing, putting 5x more emphasis on University rather than CC.

Tax man

grusome

Get paid weekly

Should have added that I have a few different editions of NEC textbooks along with being ABYC certified.

Nothing is a substitute for the actual legal standards.

Mr. New Mexico, hows New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology school? It seems small as fuck if you even know what it is desu.

Lol, yah

But you're not giving consideration to the guy who doesn't need coaching, that's when you fuck meritocracy in the ass. If your go to is just someone you know or the pretty black girl you'll probably subvertly sexually harass whilst coaching, you're being a dick

Assuming that being unhirable despite being clearly decent at what I do is part of the problem, your assumption that this is something I can fix is entirely the problem. You want to believe this is entirely my fault and my responsibility to fix because that's easy. It's easy to blame me, it's how the coward "solves" problems white men face. They solve it through blaming them entirely. You are a coward.

Throwing money at this problem isn't the solution, we need fines and repercussions for inequality of opportunities rather than the opposite which is fines for not having a diverse enough business.

The dirty secret is that applying to a good college after 2 years of community college just isn't going to happen. Colleges don't take a whole hell of a lot of transfer students, they'd prefer if you spent all 4 years (and obviously pay for all 4 of those years) there.

>aluminum copper wiring
That's a job and a half right there. You gotta rewire that whole thing. Be glad it's already run for the most part and you can just fish most of that through where it already was.
Was the wiring at least insulated?
>marine electrical
I've never had the chance. I hear horror stories though of uninsulated wire being run through knockouts. I have a friend at GSL who does marine electrical and he's always complaining about amateurs doing their own wiring then complaining about the red tag.
>MFW that lack of work space next to those outlets
Looks beautiful user you really did some good work. I'd get on you about work spacing but you're on a boat so I'm not sure what the standard is for that.

>But see, that's the thing. They DON'T tell you these things in public school. It's manipulative as fuck

This was my experience, my highschool reinforced the idea that if we didn't take out a loan and go to a 4 year college, we would be minimum wage failures for the rest of our lives.

Funny thing is that I only know one person who went to college that doesn't make minimum wage.

And for OT. A retarded amount. Some weeks are 91 hours. So it's not easy money.

your singularity bullshit involves a post-scarcity world. economics doesn't apply there.

>25% of students graduating is more than enough people to fill trades

>Trades are not difficult to understand. they take practice, strength, and abilities working with your hands

>You're also assuming all work is equal, and theres just a quantity that needs to be tackled with brute numbers of people.

for all three above, see pic. we're talking on two different levels. what i say isn't going to make sense to you.

>again, take a look at the people living in wealthy communities. they arent plumbers and electricians.
actually yes, in australia a ton of electricians and plumbers are millionaires for exactly the reason i described.

I have no idea, honestly. I'm fairly certain that if it's not NMSU or UNM, it's pretty worthless.

You must realize that NM is the second poorest state in the entire union (last I checked at least) and the state itself is in a financial shit pile meaning the state uni's are getting shit funding which equates to poorer level of education.

But as far as NMIMT specifically goes, sorry I wouldn't be able to tell you.

There are several things at works in the Community College vs. University lower divisions.

>1. University classes are filled with people that have taken that class 2+ times
It really fucks up the grading curve when a few people that have taken the class a shit load of times are taking the same test.
>2. University grades matter when getting a job, Community College grades only matter for transfer to a University
This creates a lot of competitiveness. Cheating becomes rampant, and you guessed it.. fucks up the grading curve
>3. University teachers are interested in failing 20% of the class. They will make their tests so absurdly difficult that you're not sure if you actually learned anything at the end (or if you're just really good at guessing)
The professors are under pressure by the department to keep impacted majors impacted by failing a huge chunk of low performers; hopefully enticing them to leave or switch majors. This has an adverse effect on people that do well enough to pass. It makes you feel like you haven't actually learned anything. You've never really applied any of your knowledge. You've only gotten everything 60% correct, but due to a grading curve, you got a B+.
>4. Community college classes are significantly longer, and can withstand unexpected breaks & holidays
>5. Community college classes are smaller and attention can be given to individual students, and there is no pressure to fail people. The tests match the level of expectation from the material & the department to deem you "competent"

I've got a lot more, but this is shit that really bothered me while I was doing my undergrad.

Pretty much. It's generally easy to spot the shitters in most GE classes, like Human Comm Studies where you have to give low-tier speeches.

>Speech about why LGBT should be able to have kids really easy.
>Speech about gender wage gap
>Interjecting "like" after every word

There's a few good peoples, though.
>Speech on Obesity that makes several fatfucks squirm and scowl
>Speech on mental illness that slyly installed gender dysphoria in it.

Granted, I'm 31 so I have a different frame of reference from most of the other students.

lol at the massive chip on your shoulder, and the need to try to prove yourself to random people on the internet. Maybe you could have gone to college, but couldn't afford it, or didn't have the balls to go because you knew deep down there was a chance you'd fail out of physics or calculus in your first year.

You may have misread my post. I applied for internships and never even got a response from them, not even a proper rejection.

I wasn't saying I thought you were "playing" a victim and you were somehow wrong to do so. My point was that even if you are a victim it probably doesn't help to think like one. You're the only one who can take charge of your life, nobody else is going to do it for you. Life isn't fair, unfortunately. Nothing I can do about it.

Had a photgrapher visit our lab.
I work in sales and haven't done any "real science" for 20 years
I am in shape and not a horrorbag though. so photographer keeps asking me to pose.
All the photos on our website are now me subtly doing things wrong.
Jimmies rustled of lab monkeys

You're kidding right. Have you never heard of a transfer agreement?

You keep above a 3.0 (stupid easy) with an agreed upon list of courses for 2 years, then you have an automatic acceptance.

If you want to play it thug-life, you can do one without a transfer agreement, but you're not going anywhere with under a 3.8

Real investors have jobs investing other people's money unless it's your daddy's job to invest your money

Lol, yeah I'm taking a comm class this semester. I've chosen Culture as my topic(s) and tried to inject some subtle redpills as far as I could, but really it doesn't matter because I know for a fact that literally nobody gives a shit and is more than likely just tuning everything out until it's their turn.

Also another thing that pisses me off btw, just today in class, there's about 15-16 people in my class and I shit you not, literally I and one other person were the only ones that weren't glued to their fucking phones.

Smartphones were a mistake.

>But you're not giving consideration to the guy who doesn't need coaching
Who said I wasn't? I would glad hire someone that walked in knowing what REST, ORM, Maven, etc was. The reality is, most applicants are fucking retarded.

>If your go to is just someone you know or the pretty black girl you'll probably subvertly sexually harass whilst coaching, you're being a dick
Why would I coach some random skank? Also why would I take on someone that's going to be a liability that doesn't even respect me as a friend?

I think you're missing the part where if it's a friend, they're more likely to be open with me and reach out to me if they need advice or help. A random person will not do this; because our relationship will built upon professionalism first & foremost. A friend will not feel shame in admitting they're in over their head; knowing that I will try my best to help them.

If I bring on a person that I know to be lacking in experience; I am liable for their fuckups.

Laughable. You'd have companies who don't need anymore of X position fined and sanctioned for not having any positions of X to fill?

I assure you, your race isn't the singular reason for you being "unhireable" This is what we mean by responsibility. Taking the "it's not my fault" stance is rarely true. It's just as easy to blame someone else than to blame yourself.

No one forced you with a gun to your head to undertake the actions that led you to where you are, yet here you are claiming the opposite.

Since your situation is apparently hopeless and no one is silly enough to go with your foolish solution, the obvious best choice is to end it all and make better life choices and career paths when you come back in another life.

I did go to college. I got my generals then got my Bachelors of Science in Developmental Psychology from WSU in 2014.
College was great but I couldn't make any money in psych. without a doctorate so I fell back on my electrical license. I was already doing the work to pay for college but I realized it was all for nothing. I paid too much for a degree I thought I could use to open a private practice to be comfy but after I found out I had to get a PHD and another license I decided it wasn't worth it.
I took physics and quantum mechanics (pass/fail) when I was getting my generals. Physics was fun and all but I can't just sit behind a desk or in a lab. I've got to be out doing something that gives me fulfillment. At least if I wire up a new addition the person thanks me personally because it was something they needed.

I don't get that feel from people who are bankers and shit. They always seem like they have tons of money but aren't fulfilled.

It is insulated, but the insulation is falling apart, connections are shit tier, everything is either rusty or corroded.

There's also a leak in the roof that drips water right into the breaker box.

Boat wiring is terrifying sometimes, lots of things undersized, improperly grounded (If even grounded), not crimped properly.

Half the time something stops working it's because somebody decided to twist 4+ wires together, cover it in tape and call it good.

The light switches are 24v DC, and there really wasn't anywhere else to put them. Owner is trying to cram way too much shit into this boat.

Pic related was the pain in the ass that took a few months, that is how it was when the last guy decided to stop showing up to work and was never heard from again, behind the pilothouse dashboard.

Either it isn't labeled, or it was labeled "Spare" without any indication of where the hell the other end went.

And, of course, all the 24v DC flood lights hooked up to 240v breakers. Happy nobody turned them on before I noticed that.

Again, whether or not some HR whore who only sees a white man vs black woman spectrum for worthiness to have their names passed along isn't my responsibility. There is nothing I can do to change her mind or get her to believe in equality, as I've told Sargon, these kind of people exist in echo chambers and are deaf to arguments of liberty.

I think assuming responsibility in this case isn't helpful, if I did I'd feel completely incapable and start believing it's completely hopeless rather than just a chance game to find the 20% of HR who are men and the 10% of them who are redpilled.

If I didn't believe I was a victim of something unfair, I might be convinced it actually is my fault, that I'm beyond help and that my only option is suicide.

Do not convince the tortured that they're responsible.

I understand, but think like a blue pilled moron that thinks there are too many white men in STEM and the way to fix that is by allowing 1.0gpa brown women into the jobs instead.

See, how does this help? What's your point? What's your deal? Or do you just get a kick out of making NEETs feel bad like a sociopath who probably deserves to be lynched?

ITT: Butthurt kiddies that didn't try in highschool and didn't get full rides

I'd be fine if leeches sat quietly in their hovels. I take exception when they start demanding things, as if society, or anyone, owed them anything for being leeches in the first place.

You owe me equality and fairness. That's what our society is based on, isn't it? If you're advertising an opportunity, you owe it to me to equally vet the candidates. You owe it to the free market to let me compete equally. You owe fairness and equality, or you don't deserve the society built by fairness and equality.

You don't owe me your tax money, which is why I don't collect welfare. You don't owe me entertainment or time, so you can fuck off right now if you think I'm not sitting quietly in my hovel.

I'm so sorry if my demands for a right to pursue happiness causes you to take exception...

...you fucking faggot.

What trade should I get into. I'm old. Help me please. I'm not scared of hard work.

He's right, it's more like 60k in real money.

>junction box with all the knockouts punched with no conduit going into it
The guy doing this should have been shot.
>And, of course, all the 24v DC flood lights hooked up to 240v breakers. Happy nobody turned them on before I noticed that.
>MFW

I hate amateur electricians so much this is ridiculous.
That leak if it's big enough though you can just get some expanding foam to seal that right up. At least you know where the leak is kinda.
>cover it in tape
That seems to be the solution to every amateur electricians problem. It's like they don't know what wire nuts are.

So the last guy didn't label anything at all?
What a dick.

You're continuing to misunderstand me. You appear intent on blaming your situation on something. What I was originally saying had nothing to do with whose fault it is. When I talk about responsibility I'm referring to what can be done to make forward progress on your situation.

>I might be convinced it actually is my fault, that I'm beyond help
This is exactly why I was saying that it doesn't matter whose "fault" it is. It's not relevant, and it's not helpful to dwell on it.

Did your parents ever teach you to focus on solutions when you're facing a problem, rather than focusing on who is to blame? Do that.

Electrician, get into data and solar panel installation, you'll have no end of work but you'll have to do things like climb underneath houses and into roofs. It's not pleasant, but the only danger I've heard of is a friend of mine scratched his eye with dirty hands. He almost died as a bacterial infection came close to his brain.

No one owes anyone anything, that's the issue. I'm quite certain that there are jobs out there you can take right now. It might be flipping burgers and might be minimum wage, but it's out there. Refusing that, for whatever reason, then claiming people owe you something is ridiculous.

You're free to argue with said employers about "what you believe your are owed" but the offer will stand firm at $9/ hour.

If I were in charge of a "free" market, I'd simply hire only women who wear slutty secretary outfits and heels. So companies having free reign over who they hire may not necessary mean people still get what they think they deserve.

I fell for the trade meme and became a plumber when I was 20.

I'm 26 now and have chronic back pain from constantly squatting down and picking stuff up all day

I can't imagine doing this for another 30 years

You're misunderstanding my point.

Not talking about whose responsibility it actually is entirely the problem. Blaming me is sociopathic, it's blaming the victim and I honestly suspect people doing this are lefty trolls (). Not blaming the educational facilities teaching future HR to unequally hire is becoming permissive of the problem.

Again, all I want is fair treatment, which considering how good I am at programming means getting at least one job offer. No, society does actually owe me fair treatment, you're a fucking troll or authoritarian anti-liberal regressive if you disagree.

You literally dont understand the free market, stop posting, you're a really shitty troll.

>actually yes, in australia a ton of electricians and plumbers are millionaires for exactly the reason i described.

thats enough internet for me tonight

You really think "no one owes anyone anything" and "personal responsibility" is lefty trolling? Seriously?

i told them and they ignored my post about working with people who warned me about trades.

The guy i knew was 33 with a fucked up back because he did carpentry in his twenties. 45 buckaroos an hour. now hes back at barely above minimum wage because he cant work anything else.

Unfortunately, your argument has no ground. Again, if your claim that you are unhirable is because you are white, you are wrong. For that to occur, every possible potential employee would've had to of turned you down because you're a white male. You'd also have to prove this. While I'm certain one or two places may have passed you over so they can fill their minority quota, the notion that EVERY place you've applied at is doing the same thing is simply retarded. If you truly believe so, then you really need to get the fuck out of your country immediately.

If you had a degree in compsci and a decent GPA, you would be undoubtedly hired by any number of companies around the world, as a white male. I guarantee it. You are nothing but a victim of your own shitty choices and have plenty of options for you to fix it. Stop trying to get other people to fix it for you.

He's actually right, tradies are overpaid here, they make more than lawyers. Millionaire tradies have a life like
>get paid during apprenticeship
>get paid during first five years of work
>steal clients from old boss and become self employed
>hire new apprentices to do your work for you and pay them a pittance
It's literally a thing. We call them cashed up bogans.

I think bitching about me bitching about affirmative action is lefty trolling. I think being complicit with affirmative action makes you a sincerely bad person.

That's what I'm arguing about, diversity policies.

You are literally arguing by incredulity, basically you simply don't believe a high skilled graduate can't find work. That's not an argument.

No it's you who doesn't have an argument. Your entire post is a non argument.

If even one place denied me for being a white male, then I am a victim. Deal with it.

Are you going to wait until laws are implemented to protect white males from discrimination? Are you going to hire a lawyer to try leveraging any existing laws that may protect you from discrimination? If not, then think about the solution to your situation in terms of what you as an individual can strive to do for yourself.

cool cock ahmed

You have proof of this claim? Or are you unable to grasp that you either have a shitty degree, shitty GPA, shitty people skills, and need an excuse that directs blame anywhere but yourself?

You harp about opportunity and you had it. You chose to waste it on a career field or degree that no one really hires for, or is extremely niche.

And no, I don't believe a high skilled graduate can't find work, they can. You need to actually look for those jobs beyond 5 miles of your basement. The opportunity is most definitely there, you just don't want to take it.

Wal-mart is always hiring.

I've been thinking about it to be honest, I have a short list of employers who have rejected me for suspicious reasons. This would make me completely unemployable though since it'd identify me as a problem caused.

I have a good gpa, impressive github, decent people skills and literally the worst thing about me is that I'm amazingly attractive. Yes, handsome men are proven to have a hard time finding work, Google it.

Wal-Mart does not hire mid 20s, most part time work only hires teenagers to pay them less. Don't give me that shit.

Interesting, every time I walk into the Wal-mart here there's a distribution of college kids, middle aged people, and old ass veterans. This is you avoiding your own responsibility again. I cannot truly believe that there is no work available where you live, at all. If there isn't, you live in a wasteland and should probably hop on an airplane somewhere else.

You should come to the US. Despite there being plenty of villified white men here, we still have an unemployment rate half that of blacks despite them having preferred employment status. Kind of weird.

I wouldn't hire you regardless just based off of your knee jerk reaction to blame someone else for problems rather than asking a simple "So what could I have done differently?" That's woman-thinking.

Hell you could even enlist in someone's military. if you're in your mid 20's. Veterans get preferential treatment all the time, I would know. Or just stay in the basement and wait.

Honestly though, what general qualifications are on your resume? I really doubt they are so amazing that you couldn't find a way to at least improve them. "Impressive Github" doesn't necessarily mean much to me, depending on to whose standards it would be considered impressive.

Knockouts are actually still in place, just a weird box. They're further in at the end of the threads.

Conduit is rarely used (On the boats I've been on, anyways) mostly just water tight connectors like pic related and tie blocks or similar (and a max spacing between wire supports of 18 inches).

Wire nuts also never get used because everything is (should) be stranded.

Fuck electrical tape in 99% of situations though. Glue lined heat shrink, always. I only use electrical tape for the snake.

Most everything wasn't labeled or mislabeled, or written on in shitty pen that had smeared. Label makers are my best friend now.

Have my clock/tachometer.

>First attempt at SMD soldering

>I wouldn't hire you regardless just based off of your knee jerk reaction to blame someone else for problems rather than asking a simple "So what could I have done differently?" That's woman-thinking.

Honestly same here. It screams immaturity and entitlement. Enlisting in the military might help with discipline and learning some humility.

Though I still think it would be more productive to ask oneself "What's done is done. What can I do with the cards I have been dealt?" than dwell on regretting the past.

College was never devised as some sort of "investment" in order to ensure gainful employment. The whole (recent) popular American philosophy of university education as a "return-on-investment" has resulted in what can only be described as God's perfect nightmare. The effect is actually the opposite from what you're describing. Instead of generating a wave of "socialists" or "SJW's" or whatever you might identify left-leaning, educated, professional class types as - the most ubiquitous product of the American University is a listless class of soulless, lifeless STEM dregs that went to college for employment and, in the process, grounded the light, pop scientism of social studies that we are all suffering from today.

You can get a soldering iron for $15 at a craft store.

The board she's "soldering" is from a very old computer that wasn't very good in the first place.

college for the right reasons > trade for the right reasons > trade for the wrong reasons > college for the wrong reasons

The point is that universities all over the world are rewarded for having highest possible amount of students so they will lobby to get EVERYBODY on board.

College professor goes to his graduate who's big fish in Hollywood and asks him to make romcom about student's life being full of partying and just all around cool, so idiots go there en masse because they totally can't party like that while working, which is obviously bullshit. Especially for men(the best years in men's life are when he finds a decent job and moves out of his parents while still being single, period).

It doesn't matter if the unis are private or not as well. Here in Poland public universities get money per student from the budget so as you can see it doesn't really work better than private ones.

Trying to get the biggest amount of students on board ends in creation of useless degrees.

To sum it shortly - universities(private or not) have incentive to get the largest amount of students on board rather than to provide good education and as they have connections with art, media and marketing they run propaganda that tries to fool people into going to college and getting any degree because reasons.

High school is pretty stupid too.

Kids should start to specialize earlier. Forcing the dumb kids to take precalc to graduate is as senseless as making the nerdy kids starting offensive linemen.

>SMD soldering
Put a trigger warning on your post next time

the entire piece was produced by women

>PhD in Mathematics
>any job I want
>$300k starting

>When there is no entry-level position with such a salary, including and especially those relevant to an advanced Mathematics degree

>when your bot fucks and posts your thread in another thread
slide threads everywhere

Insurance and trading/banking. Risk/cost calculations.
You have to be reaaaally good at advanced statistics.

Yes, it's possible in these industries to make that kind of take-home pay in these fields, but that's nowhere near the base salary for that kind of job. The money is made in bonuses from good performance, which - as you said - requires skill beyond an advanced degree.

SHART

I got a six figure debt right out of college.
It sucks.

>master electrician
>only 57k

>further in
Oh yeah? I can tell just from the plate that it's all water sealed at least. I sometimes have to do pumps for pools and run boxes for them. They're great but that black insulation it comes with is so easy to lose or doesn't seal right so you gotta fidget it just right.
>glue lined heat shrink
Lewd but satisfying. You always feel like a wizard. Heat shrinking is one of the many pleasures of working in electronics or electrical.
>stranded wire?
Why in the world would you use stranded? Is it because you have to go into such tight spaces? Convenience?
I would assume it's like car audio in that case. Car audio is fun too.
>label makers
Everyone who does any wire work should have one. It saves your life in so many situations. What brand?

Also Kleins in your work or do you use quick strips?

>25
>Master Electrician
>making the national average

Don't hate. My wife works too.
>only reason to get married is for the tax benefits

I'm in software

I started six years ago at 50k
I'm at 140k now

...I don't look down on you and I agree you provide a useful service but we're in different income leagues bro

I'd rather kill myself than have to associate with the brain-dead tradies for 10 years of my life until I can maybe go solo

And even then I'd need to employ the cunts at some point for my business

Yeah I fucking love football hehe let's talk about it 24/7 and nothing else

Nothing wrong with trades.

I'm a demolition engineer. Blowing shit up is cool. Working with lowbrow construction scum isn't however.

Only so many conversations I can have about "muh dikk nigguh" and "herrderr sports scores SPORRRTTTSSSS". Monotonous.

I halfway agree with that but it's also the bastardization of humanities to make them useful to the job market that also diluted how awesome they could be to a person's average life.

Stranded just for flexibility/vibration resistance, and it's a lot easier to run. Except 4/0, that is never fun to run.

Heat shrink is the second best part of the job, the first is watching everything you spent months working on power up.

Label maker is a panduit, pic related. Works great, thermal transfer kind and you can switch out the cartridge for longer/wider labels.

Kleins everything. Crimpers, strippers and quick strippers, except for cable strippers (The kind with the adjustable razor, slip it over a big cable, spin it and then run it down the length to remove insulation).

I think there needs to be more done with AS and BS degrees being a best of both worlds.

>we're in different income leagues
That's fine but don't come at me with this "my life is better because I make more" meme. You can be rich and still have a shitty life.
I own a home. I pay my taxes. I have savings. I have 4 cars. I can pretty much do anything I want.

It doesn't matter how much you have in life you can't take it with you. Don't look down on others just because they don't earn as much as you is all I'm saying.

Maybe certain people work certain jobs because they enjoy it and make it work.
So what I don't have a benz in my garage or a rolex on my arm.
I love my job, I love my family and I love my country.
>besides 140k/yr.≤ 10k/month
>10,000 USD every month

No thank you that's too much money. I don't even think I could spend that much each month even if I wanted to.

I don't look down on you either. Just a little disappointed in you believing in meritocracy.

>MFW it powers on
That's a nice label maker. I'm still analog with my labels. Need to upgrade.
>Kleins
Das it mane. My dad had a pair of kleins and I could never use any other brand of strippers ever again. I don't like quick strips though. For stranded sure but not for solid. They become a pain in the ass to get into the right spot.

The people you meet in Cred Forums. You sound like an honest right hard working American rolling your sleeves up every day.
Please tell me you're voting Trump.

>Be grateful because we won't always need software engineers but we will always need plumbers, electricians and carpenters.

Inb4 those professions gets replaced by robots invented by the jewish software engineers.

who took forever to finish college?

>5 years pushing on to 7 years when I will graduate with BS in Elec. Eng.

>implying the union would let that happen

>The people you meet in Cred Forums. You sound like an honest right hard working American rolling your sleeves up every day.

We still exist, but it does seem like everyone else I know around my age is either jobless, heroin addicted or on welfare.

>Please tell me you're voting Trump.
How could I not?

Probably won't make a difference in my state, I can't see Washington going blue anytime soon.

Not happening until we all live in generic cookie-cutter houses with exactly the same layout, and even then it would take a very long time.

He's a fucking idiot isn't he. I wrote a long response explaining some of us were doing Fleming in our early teens but thought what's the fucking point. He probably wouldn't know what the fuck I was even talking about. It's just magic from Thor to him anyway.

>I can't see Washington going blue anytime soon.
*Red anytime soon

The state is pretty much ruled by two counties.

IN

I feel the same way. Everyone around me is just failing out completely. My buddy from high school lives in a trailer with his parents, wife and kid. Completely pathetic.

If your pic is typical in marine electrical I couldn't do it. That makes me sick to my stomach.
>washington
If you're in portland I'm so sorry. I've heard nothing but terrible things about that state.
Your vote is one of many.
We're making it happen right now.

Wireing is not a hobby. Call a professional.

Sounds about right. Something about the small town I'm in just seems to kill people if they stay here after school, physically or mentally.

Pic is of /diy/, but it wouldn't surprise me to see it. Just a few days ago I had to replace a battery that had the lead terminal melt and turn into a puddle.
>The wire isn't even wrapped around the right way

Portland? That's in Oregon.

>Wireing is not a hobby.

Electrical stuff is fun, you can do some pretty neat stuff with microcontrollers, especially with cars that have a CANBUS.