Trump: Bashes working class people for not paying federal income tax...

> says he will deport all Mexicans

But he didn't.

> says he will brand Muslims with Auschwitz-style tattoos

But he didn't.

> Fat-shamed Miss Universe

But he didn't.

> said middle-class Americans that don't pay taxes are traitors

I'm not even going to bother debunking that shit. How many times do you think you shills can cry "wolf" before people just stop listening?

>anything besides giving himself tax cuts.
>he needs to give himself tax cuts so he doesn't have to pay taxes he already avoids
Nigga you full retard

CNN said yesterday that Trump's tax documents reveal him as a genius

>mfw posting trump tweets is shilling

Sad when your bombshell argument against Trump is that he didn't pay more in taxes than he is required to by law. Stupidest shit I have every heard. How many progressives throw the IRS a few more bucks for the fuck of it?

>> Fat-shamed Miss Universe
>But he didn't.
>> said middle-class Americans that don't pay taxes are traitors
>I'm not even going to bother debunking that shit. How many times do you think you shills can cry "wolf" before people just stop listening?
Those happened you fucking retard.

Nice source fag

If he gives tax cuts that benefit his businesses, is this considered a conflict of interest and grounds for removal?

>he exploited loopholes
>therefore it's ok!

It should be.

No. He's got so many that would make any tax cuts impossible.

He followed the law so yes it is fucking okay, he would be retarded not to, seriously your argument is literally that Trump only paid what he was required to by law, KYS.

Reminder not to engage the shills.

They're not even loopholes. Carrying forward a loss has been in the tax law for decades. Do you honestly think he wanted to show a billion dollar loss just so he could avoid having to pay on his annual return for a while?

>he exploited loopholes
You mean laws Clinton passed. Thinking anyone would just give the gov more money than legally required is some sever autism

>it makes me smart to rip the goverment off and then brag about it while chastising others for doing the same thing
WEW
E
W
No wonder his numbers are tanking

You're not getting it. Either Trump lied to the IRS in order to not pay taxes, or he's such a shitty businessman that he lost a billion dollars at a time when EVERYONE was gaining money. Either of those things means he's a fucking liar.

All trumps taces show is that he's completely legal and legitimate.

>the same thing
>leaf
Just go

>the worst thing the left can say about Trump is that he followed the law

it's almost like you have never followed anything he has said. he's always been saying he knows the loopholes better than anyone because he's used them to his advantage.

He lost a casino in Atlantic City that year along with every other entrepreneur in the city. Good business practices can't stop a hurricane from destroying your town.

If there's nothing wrong with it why did he refuse to show us his tax returns? Don't bring up the fucking audit because the IRS specifically gave him permission to.

>either hes a liar or this other thing
>both mean he's a liar
Your discourse is showing

And that one casino was bringing in so much money that the loss of it put him in the red? Was it his only business? That one casino would've had to have been the majority of his income.

Can someone tell me what tax laws Trump broke? Has he been reported to the IRS yet?

Trump told us that he should be elected because he's a brilliant businessman, and this board has been touting that since the start. If he lost a billion dollars he's not a good businessman.

he didn't break anything he used a loophole that allows him not to pay taxes

>If there's nothing wrong with it why did he refuse to show us his tax returns?
He knows the average voter is too fucking retarded to understand

>no argument
>flagposts
cool

He reported a billion dollar loss that year, which means either he's a shitty businessman or he deliberately lied to the IRS in order to not pay taxes.

>paying taxes to a JWO oligarchy
>somehow a bad thing for legally avoiding
Um no

You kikebool virtue signallers need to stop acting like paying taxes gets you likes or some shit.

>You mean laws Clinton passed. Thinking anyone would just give the gov more money than legally required is some sever autism

>he's a selfish prick
>but it's ok because he's a billionaire!

The irs is not part of our government

His followers take his word as gospel. That's retarded.

>If he lost a billion dollars he's not a good businessman
He lost a billion, a fucking billion, and is still in business. If nothing else this is a testament to his ability

He was not prosecuted for tax violations, therefore he did not violate the tax code. Where does this misconception that money was falling from the sky in the 1990's yes certain sectors did well but it was not the roaring 20's.

That's not even that big of a problem, the problem is that he chastises the middle class for not paying taxes when he himself doesn't.

Same loophole Hillary used. The same loophole signed into law and pushed by Bill Clinton.

Weird.

Do you pay more taxes than you're legally obligated to?

>selfish
>doesn't retardedly pay extra money he doesn't have to

Thats the problem with you liberals. You think taxation is charity

>if you lose a billion dollars, you win
Wow

sage shitpost threads

>Thinking using the law to keep the kikes off your money and having 17 kids to increase your tax deductions and welfare is the same thing
Cool

How the fuck do you make a negative income of a billion dollars in one year?

Hillary used those provisions as well.
It's not a loophole. It's a carry-forward of losses to help offset the costs of keeping a business running.

Business owners get tax perks because their continued running of and expansion of their business is a greater net gain than them paying taxes.

When exactly did he chastise the middle class for not paying taxes?

They take the largest brunt of taxes since the tax brackets taper off after around 100k

What's the difference? Both are just ways to get more money, the only difference is one of them is done by a person you like.

He lost $1 Billion in property and revenue lost. It's a large number because he builds expensive things. Compare this to the $4B that Hilary lost while she was Secretary of State, I would say that $4B > $1B. Especially when he went around and become a multibillionare after his loss.

>he's a selfish prick
Why haven't you given all your money to the gov? You know what a good job they do allocating it....

...

>Do you pay more taxes than you're legally obligated to?

I'm not a billionaire faggot.

You're not understanding. In one year, his income became a loss. More than 50% of his income would've had to have been lost.

Posts like this are beyond stupid. There is no evidence of that. I guess that makes you a cheap shit liar? Typical.

Because regardless of its legality, it is simply fucking stupid release your tax returns during an audit.
>hurr b-but da IRS said they were fine with Trump releasing information that might help them prosecute him???

Why can't you retard lefties understand this? Jesus christ you really don't know anything do you?

That's referring to people making less than 40k.
That isn't the middle class in any state.

Both are abusing the system for free gibs. Embarassing at face value, but even worse when given the context of him chastising others for avoiding tax

If you lose a billion and can keep playing, you are winning.

That's fine and all, but do you pay more taxes than you're legally obligated to?

Nigger you're moving the goalpost. He chastised the general public for not paying taxes, is that better?

If this guy is really on the side of the working man, why isnt he campaigning on closing the loopholes that allow him to pay no income tax? Look, I get the tax relief on losses is totally justified (maybe not spread out over 18 years tho), but how about the unbelievably generous tax breaks that real estate developers get? I mean, really...

And FYI, TARRIFFS ARE TAXES. And regressive taxes at that - they will impact the middle and poor much more than the rich. Meanwhile, good luck bringing back good manufacturing jobs - they left for a reason (it does not make economical sense in this country with our high standard of living to be paying those sorts of wages when the work can be automated or offshored, those jobs are never coming back.) Meanwhile, we will all face higher prices after Trump ignites a trade war. Silly Trumpkins need to get educated. Vote Johnson or hold your nose and go for Hillary. Trump is a fucking joke loose cannon con artist piece of shit that in no way is loking out for the middle classes interests

>not knowing how finance it accounting works
>still projects his stupidity in shit posts
Maybe you're too dopey to know when you don't know anything
Your parents failed at whatever they were trying to do

trump isnt going to win. feels gud

-Working class American doesn't pay income taxes , takes advantage of welfare

Trump shills: Freeloader, leech

-Wealthy 1 percenter doesn't pay any taxes , takes advantage of government subsidies

Trump shills: he's just taking advantage of the law . He's being smart. He's should pay any more than he wants to .

>Gibs use other people's money to buy shit they can't afford.
>Those same people are forced to lower their living expectations because they have to support other families

That's not the same as

>Trump got to keep his money

One isn't stealing from other people actually paying taxes.

>if you lose, you win
Outstanding

but didn't you know? Hillary is the champion of the little people who cares if her record says otherwise

Because this particular loophole is actually VERY VERY VERY good for small businesses.

Small businesses can report their losses and carry them forward during times of famine to help offset the costs of running.

>Is there anything Nimble America/Kremlin Trump shills will not defend?
Yeah. Hillary.

Actually when Trump was getting btfo in AC, all the other casinos were doing very well

>ThinkProgress

Nice try.

CTR is in overdrive today
There is a reason

sage this shit

>Trump shills: he's just taking advantage of the law . He's being smart. He's should pay any more than he wants to .

This is what happens when your entire party becomes a cult of literally worshiping the rich, to the point were a billionaire oligarch is your nominee.

>free gibs
Keeping your money and getting free money from others is not the same

He still has 4 billion dollars, which doesn't include all of his property and other assets.

How has he lost in any way? How much wealth have you accrued, leaf?

>If there were a way to avoid paying taxes I wouldn't do it

Said by no one ever. Face it, the only reason your average worker doesn't avoid it is because of the meager amount they would avoid paying and the hassle they would have to go through to do it.

Not really. He's not chastising them. The reality is they're not pitching in anything into the tax base because they're all living off of welfare.

If you make less than 69k, you're playing a loser's game. It's advantageous to make 27k at your shit job and collect as much gibs as possible. The welfare & tax code have created perverse incentives to succeed.

The same perverse incentives lead to Trump paying 0$ in taxes.

Everyone is gaming the system, because the system was created by morons.

>gibs abuse the system to take money that could have been appropriated to build schools and roads
>trump abuses the system to take money that could have been appropriated to build schools and roads
Embarassing

Okay, and the tax code was signed by Bill Clinton, whose own wifr used the loophple to her advantage. Fuck the government. We should pay as pittle tax as possible. It's like paying to die.

Tax avoidance is perfectly legal tax evasion is what gets you fucked. Any fucking accountant would have done Trump's or anyone else's taxes the same. Is he not supposed to take the loss on his tax return and pay taxes just to placate your fee fees?

I would never vote for a candidate that carries over their loses on their tax returns.

That's why #imwithher

>mfw shills think taking peoples words out of contex is not shilling

You will never fucking win you worthless fuck
less and less Dems care about this election each and every day due to the way DNC fucked them over

More and more people are voting for trump everyday do to how fucking pissed off it makes the Dems.

you
can
not
win

He avoided taxes because he had a massive lost. It's not like he's abusing a loophole.

When did he "bash" working class people?

That's cute, but do you pay more taxes than you're legally obligated to?

Answer my question you five penny fuckup.

I wasn't given millions of dollars by daddy, but I make a good living as an engineer. Certainly have never lost a billion dollars, and if I did, I wouldn't use le weed man logic and pretend it's a good thing

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Tax cuts to businesses don't help the average man.

>The reality is they're not pitching in anything into the tax base
And neither is he.

>Taxes

Literally theft.

They were non-compulsory back before WWI (which is why they had the bonds and stamps and shit you were supposed to buy to chip in) but fucking A how anybody can not think taxes set-up how they are now is not outright theft is beyond me.

>They pay for programs and shit

What if I don't want to support those programs? What if those programs actively negatively influence my society like all the government hand outs that keep niggers afloat in poverty because the apes are too stupid to go earn their keep?

I am fine with paying for border protection, military services, infastructure, and medical/retirement benefits, but not a lot of shit.

Hell, I don't even want to pay for education as a default. Schools better produce and then do a donation drive and I will throw in. Shitty inner city ghettos producing niggers who can't spell their name deserve no funds at all.

It's a fucking tweet. There is no context.

You have answered neither of my questions and have refuted nothing. Good job, retard.

Not paying more than you are legally obligated to pay is not tax evasion, retard. How many checks do you send directly to the treasury out of the kindness of your heart?

>Tax cuts to businesses don't help the average man.
>the average man is self employed and doesn't need a business in anyway

>basic business tax
>brilliant business
Is this how little Americans understand about the tax system?

>More and more people are voting for trump everyday do to how fucking pissed off it makes the Dems.
hahahahaha nigger have you even seen the polls? trump is imploding

Don't you mean Hilary's voters?

That's retarded and you should feel retarded.

>trump abuses the system to take money that could have been appropriated for more gibs.

60% of your tax dollars go directly to dem programs.

>if you lose a billion dollars, you win
This refutes itself.

when in denial just call them a shill, thats how Trumpfags operate

I didn't say that. You have refuted nothing. Good job, retard.

I realize you're here to shill, but you can't ignore the entire post because it explains the actual symptom of the problem we're seeing here.

Bootlickers gonna bootlick OP. It's just NEETs meming their hollow lives away thinking that if Trump wins he'll elevate them to his elite club, because what's holding back these entrepreneurial titans isn't the fact their society is rigged against them by the rich and powerful, it's that they're personally targeted by LIBRUUUUULS.

I'm glad you're a model citizen who pays more than what he's owed. You're very charitable to the government, I'm sure.

That's exactly what you said. Are you taking it back now?

I bet you pay twice what you owe in taxes right? Because money is so trivial you can just give it all to daddy government. Maybe if you were better with your money you would consider it safer in your hands instead of Uncle Sam. Maybe if you were better with money you would look for ways to legally reduce what you owe.

Trumps not doing anything that smart people don't already do with taxes.

>being this retarded
If you can't understand that the ability to lose a billion and stay insanely rich is a good thing, there's no helping you

Everyone can do their part you raging faggot.

He's not avoiding taxes, but doing his taxes EXACTLY as the irs prescribes. You only pay taxes on net profits.

See
The was around the time Romney was bashing the 47% for not paying income taxes

thank you for reminding me how imporatant it is for Trumpfags to complete their GED. God youre all so horrendously gullible and stupid

> Saying someone eats like a fat pig on TV
> literally not fat shaming

You ducking guys. I love you.

>seen the polls

Intentional heavy sampling of democrats is a poll, but not an accurate one. Even the polls acknowledge they are D+x

Looks like Trump the Record is out in full force I see with the same talking points.

There is nothing to take back because I didn't post that. This is Clinton-tier delusion and mental gymnastics.

You have refuted nothing. Good job, retard.

>if you lose a billion dollars, you win
I can't stop laughing

>If there's nothing wrong with it why did he refuse to show us his tax returns? Don't bring up the fucking audit because the IRS specifically gave him permission to.

Why don't you publish your tax returns on /pol?

>Businessman keeps profits for himself and shareholders and doesn't give his employees a raise

If turning 10 mil in 6 bil is so easy then why aren't you a millionaire yet leaf? You say your smart but it doesn't seem that way.

Tax cuts helping businessmen like trump don't help non-businessmen. That's not how this works.

>The was around the time Romney was bashing the 47% for not paying income taxes

Yeah and trump was part of that 47% of welfare queens.

>I wasn't given millions of dollars by daddy

Borrowed a million dollars from daddy, repaid it and got 450,000-1,000,000% ROI, a hot wife, property all over the world and a chance to become the president of the United States.

I knew Canadians were dumb but this takes the cake.

>lose ~1 billion (dumb move for sure)
>turn it around and make many times more than that in the years afterwards

It's like a baseball team losing hard in the first quarter of the season then coming back hard in the rest. You cannot refute the fact that he came back and came back hard, no matter how dire the first loss was. Eat shit, leaf.

Yes, because you won't answer the question. Do you pay more taxes than you're legally owed?

>Ignoring trumps nearly constant contradictions

whats it like inside your head?

>I-I-I didn't say it
Now you sound like your hero. Maybe head on back to your hugbox at the_donald, kiddo

It's basic economics, no one is going to give away more money to the government than they have to.

Especially when you'll never see much benefit from it. No matter how much money you pay in taxes, there's little likelihood that your street will be repaved any time soon. All you did was buy Shaniqua a new TV and pad the retirement account for some HR rep in city government.

>doesn't give his employees a raise
Then they leave and the free market figures it out

>archive.is/UuXBj
Who cares about an old tweet. lets actually compare Hillary's and trumps tax plans.

He didn't bash anyone in that tweet. Of course it's pants pissing liberals thinking about all of the things it could have meant. He could tweet about like hotdogs and you'd be pissing your pants saying he hates hamburgers. Kys.

Link the post where I made that statement.

You continue to refute nothing. Good job, retard.

>Do you pay more taxes than you're legally owed?

No, because I'm literally poor and work a 9 dollar an hour job. Trump is rich, so he should PAY HIS FAIR SHARE IN TAXES

He's talking about welfare recipients alone...not a year of business not doing so well

youtube.com/watch?v=4uT68riwrFI

It's not a loophole. A loophole is abusing a weakness in the law to bypass the intention of the law. Using losses to offset profits is an intended purpose of the law so using it cannot be called using a loophole.

This is why it takes 1.5 maple bucks to make an actual dollar

Taxes are the lowest they have been in us history and we are in the shitter. BUT HEY LET'S JUST KEEP IT TRICKLING DOWN!

Your bum ass should get a real fucking job because I pay 30% in taxes to support your pot & funyons habit.

>He's talking about welfare recipients alone..

Trump IS THE BIGGEST WELFARE QUEEN IN US HISTORY

Who do you cuckservatives think you are fooling her?

I agree that losses should be able to count towards ofsetting future earnings, absolutely. BUt what about the crazy tax breaks for real estate developers like Trump? Or any of the other countless loopholes that only seem to benefit the very rich? If he was really on the side of the middle class, he would be going after that shit....while still reducing middle class taxes.

@CTR91471685
Kill yourself CTR faggot
hiding behind Canadian proxies isn't going to protect you

>If you lose a billion and can keep playing, you are winning.
Hahahhahhahahhahaha Jesus Christ
These are your exact words

>>Trump criticized a billionaire for avoiding paying federal taxes.
>tweet reads: Facebook billionaire gives up his U.S. citizenship in order to save taxes.
>implying this isn't disgusting and should go unmentioned

>>Trump criticized other Americans, mostly low income people, for not paying income taxes.
>their proof is a tweet Trump made that was reposting an internet article claiming 50% of people don't pay taxes. Literally said nothing else about the subject, just a repost.
>no criticizing, no mention of low or high income - literally nothing supports their claim

>>Trump tweeted that “successful people” are “punished by heavy taxes.”
>their proof is a tweet Trump made that says "Successful people work their asses off to make it, only to be punished by heavy taxes which are then squandered recklessly."
>"""which are then squandered recklessly""" missing from their claim
>literally taking a quote out of context and editing it to push an agenda.

>>Trump complained about an Obama speech because he helped pay for it with his taxes.
>tweet reads: You know what is the worst part of @BarackObama's Tuesday speech playing class warfare--we paid for it with our tax dollars.
>either implying that the only way tax money is recovered is via IRS (what is sales tax), or implying that most people don't reference "we".

It's yet another liberal propaganda internet article wow i'm so surprised.

>Be Trump
>Literally get audited every year
>If I break a tax law the IRS will be all over it
>Idiots keep trying to tell me I am a liar that doesn't pay his taxes

Never change CTR

>Taxes are the lowest they have been in us history
wrong

show me proof he fatshamed her?

>Your bum ass should get a real fucking job

Wow the Trump voters are showing their true colors towards people struggling like me in my income level.

HURR DURR GET A REAL JOB

>implying good jobs even exist anymore.

Read my fucking post again dufus

No he wasn't. Welfare queens don't work and gets freebies from the system. Trump was working, but had a setback and gained a temporary reprieve from it.

Then shut the fuck up about Trump not doing the same. Considering he lost ~1 billion if he didn't pay any federal income tax he WOULD BE paying his "fair share". He didn't pay taxes on a loss just as you wouldn't. It would create an infinitely looping negative deficit.

Also, get a real job so you can stop being angry about people making more money than you.

>PAY HIS FAIR SHARE IN TAXES
>trump should follow the law!!
He did
>yea but I mean so it benefits me!!
Gtfo

>claiming legal deductions
>tax evasion

CTR, I know you don't pay taxes, but this is basic.

Gibsmedats:
>Getting other people's hard-earned money because you're gaming the system
Tax Dodgers:
>Keeping your own money and not giving it to the government

>bash working class Americans
Where? You started that.

It is so easy to stop CTR, because they try to promote hillary, thats it that is all it takes , because people that are voting hillary are not on Cred Forums they are on facebook and twitter and have blocked out all opposing views.

And welfare usage is also the highest in history.

It's not a loophole you retard, it is a understandable and righteous moral principle common all over the world in tax laws. It would be incredibly unfair if the tax laws are with you all the way on profits but not on losses.

Seriously how do you become so retarded and clueless about basics of society to think he did something bad?

Did your mum drop you on the head when you were small?
Are you aware btw that Hillary Clinton and NY times have done the exact same thing they "accuse" Donald of.

It's not a loophole, it's codified into federal law under the internal revenue code you colossal faggot.

Basic economics 101 for our Canadian friends.

You have 100 apples. You spend 50 apples. You gain 200 apples. How many apples are remaining?

I didn't post that you stupid piece of shit. Go back and check the ID's.

You're a newfag, and didn't pay attention to the ID's. You're embarrassing yourself, leaf.

Good job, retard.

>implying good jobs even exist anymore.
As I'm currently looking for someone to hire for an 80k+20k position.

Hillarious

I gotta hop on a conference call. Peace out you bum faggot.

Somehow just saying "half the population don't pay taxes despite govt debt" is bashing the working class.

That tweet doesn't come off at all like he's saying anything negative in regards to all the low-earning non-taxpayers. Given the things he says against how the US Govt blows its tax dollars on shit, it comes off more like "hey, look at all these people who either can't afford to or refuse to give money to a government that squanders their tax money."

On the other hand, Trump is explicitly targeting other very rich folks like the POTUS, Facebook, and Amazon deliberately evading paying taxes they owe.

*80k + 20k in benefits

You are using plural even though it was a loan of 1 million that he paid back. Are you seriously suggesting you could make 3 billion if you had 1 million?

Funny how you can't make 10 000 dollars into 1 million, since the difference is much smaller.

You get a 10 from the Russian judge for the mental gymnastics it takes to support those contradictions

You're being conned, trump gives 0 fucks about anything besides himself. Such a great person yet his Charity has been shutter by the NYAG for shady dealings.

wake up sheeple

OMG YOU LOST 50 APPLES WTF LOL. WHAT A LOSER!

I want to bash every CTR shill's head off the sidewalk, the way they make these fucking threads

>implying good jobs even exist anymore.
If you went to college you wouldn't have that problem.

a fucking leaf

This post is good at showcasing just how retarded liberals and CTR shills are. How do you go through life with so little understanding of society. We truly live in a nanny state, these people should be starving on the streets so their defective genes can disappeat from the gene pool.

A fucking retard.

I wish regressive shits like you providing no actual discourse could be reported and banned so we wouldn't have to sage your shit threads.

Fuck off CTR shill.

The Clinton Foundation is wholly tax-exempt. She is the last person on earth who should be trying to make taxes a talking point when it's pretty widely known she has taken foreign interest (((donations))) for political favor, even during her term as Secretary of State.

>le "convince people Trump is /just/ as bad as hillary" meme

No response? Didn't think so.

Good job, retard.

>Implying he didn't.

Art degree only prepared him to flip burgers.

>he's a selfish prick

Lad, I vote for president not for cuddly grandpa.

Yes actually that is exactly what it is, most businesses have up and downs and many successfull businessmen have at times gone bankrupt.

Sorry senpai, most of the pathetic Fuck wits up here don't understand what being great and livibg out your dreams through your work is all about.

On a related note, our government is thinking about pushing the names of "succesful" Canadian entrepreneurs into our brains so that we will naively assume that this is the land of opportunity too.

>if I switch ID's and quote trudeau, I win
absolutely embarassing

Are you counting the employer portion of FICA as part of their salary too you kike?

Not sure there's much point, most leafs are beyond repair

If you lose a billion dollars, you win.
I never thought trump supporters would use trudeau logic, but there it is. Incredible.

see
I take no issue with REAL losses to offset future profits (if it is indeed legit losses and not some accounting gimmick). Its the ridiculous tax breaks for real estate developers that get me pissed. You can depreciate an asset that will last 200 years over 5 years in real estate. That might be the source of much of Trumps 900 million dollar tax break we see in 1995. We dont know because we cant see the attachment to the return that justifies that enormous write down.

>switch ID's
>switch ID's
>switch ID's
HAhahaha! Good job, retard.

There it is boys. At the root of the criticism is just a pile of salt. So predictable. If you want to make envy the center of your political ideals join Bernie.

No one does that.

Beyond repair

also...fortune.com/2016/10/04/donald-trump-tax-returns-salary-irs/

>his argument has devolved into trudeau quotes and calling people retards
Jesus christ dude, just give up already, you're embarassing your alt right buddies

>implying shillary doesnt have offshore funds in swiss bank
>implying she doesnt abuse the system just like him

have a free (You)

Go be a good goy and make sure the neo liberals continue running this country. Our salaries need to be further supressed.

So in other words you have only baseless speculation based on a sketchy moral code that assumes that it is morally wrong to use the current legal tax code.

Are you seriously suggesting he should risk his own business just to pay taxes he don't owe to the government.

You do realize btw that if he paid these non existent taxes the IRS would return the money he does not owe to him?

Your argument is still retarded dude.

MFW shills try to Cred Forums and /biz/ when in reality they should be on Cred Forums.

But muh loopholes.

This is a reminder why you will always be a shill or an employee and never an employer, because just like too many politicians you don't understand the fundamentals of business or how money is generated.

loop·hole
ˈlo͞opˌ(h)ōl/Submit
noun
1.
an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules.
"they exploited tax loopholes"
synonyms: means of evasion, means of avoidance; window, gap, opening
"a loophole in the regulations"

>You can depreciate an asset that will last 200 years over 5 years in real estate

That only works for newly constructed building I believe. That tax break was there to spur economic growth and doesn't apply to existing buildings.

- accounting student.

the only thing more embarassing than this trudeau quoting american is when canadians try to act like right wing americans. You're like a wigger.

>using the country's laws to avoid paying taxes somehow makes you a bad person

loving
every
laugh

I've never seen benefits quantified in a dollar value like that. Is that counting shit like PTO?

It's less embarrassing to call someone acting retarded a retard then actually acting retarded.

protip: you are the one acting retarded.

I'll ask again. Donald Trump is still insanely wealthy. How has he lost? How much money have you made?

Did you think if you shitposted hard enough everyone would just forget?

You're embarrassing yourself leaf. Absolutely pathetic.

>I've never seen benefits quantified in a dollar value like that.

Everything has a cost. That's literally how your employer sees it.

Taxation is theft. Good on him for dodging taxes. If anything the working class isn't paying enough taxes for all the gibs they demand.

I have probably made 2 million before taxes so far but I also wasnt given a small loan of a million dollars. I own a couple houses.
If I lost 500k on one of my houses, I wouldnt exactly call it a win.

NO I"M FUCKING SUGGESTING THAT IF HE WERE REALLY LOOKING OUT FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS HE WOULD GET RID OF THE LOOPHOLES THAT LET ASSHOLES LIKE HIM AVOID PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES. Not because of real business losses, those are indeed justified deductions. But we dont know if the 900 million dollar write down wasw a legit business loss or if it was an accounting gimmick. I assume that whatever he did was indeed legal or he wouldve gotten caught. Just sayin, we don't know if he used tricky accounting or if he had true losses, the info has not been released on that. the forbes article here contends that it is most likely an accounting trick and not real losses, among other ways Trump avoided taxes that year

>looking out for the middle class
That's what progressives do.

>law = ethics

Alright.

>I have probably made 2 million before taxes so far
Okay and Trump has over 4 billion dollars.

He wins. You lose. Get fucked, leaf. :)

>what is insurance

Yeah, that's not where the loss came from unless the casino was severely undervalued and performing way past expectations.

Nice try.

You fuicks are retarded if you think Donny Trump has you on his side. he has never lived a day in the life of anything but being a rich entitled prick and his business record shows how little he cares about stepping all over the little guy to enrich himself.

Not even remotely true. It doesn't make him a poor businessman nor does it mean he deliberately lied. These are just 2 possibilities and by the sounds of it you want it to be true.

Take gambling in the UK for example. Sports betting and poker, they are taxed but it is the bookie/cardroom who is taxed on their takings. They are also discreetly taxed in other ways.

To make gambling winnings taxable for professional gamblers in the UK you would have to allow losing gamblers to declare themselves professional and allow tax write offs against tax on their day job for the people who lose money. Then the money gets taxed onces it's been through the bookie and the bookie and winning player declares it.

This is one reason why skill based gambling isn't taxed in the UK.

There are loads of stupid examples of how much of a farce tax can be. I mean lets think about people who get tax write offs or reduced tax on carbon emissions driving electric cars which are then charged up coal power plants. Oh but the coal power plant pays its own carbon emissions tax so it's OK. But there is nothing stopping me going to the petrol station, buying a can of petrol and just selling it on fire and watching it burn out.

If Trump paid out of his pocket for a building that wasn't completed, that could be a loss. He has the asset of the half built building. But that does not mean the market price of a half built building is half that of the final value when it will be completed.

Therefore he has a loss that year. Very simple.

Most of the tax codes only apply to those who work for other people, which is the overwhelming majority of people. Trump wants to simplify the tax codes.

It would certainly be easier to collect taxes from Billionaires who are writing off loses with simplified tax codes.

how much has he lost though, thats how you really determine winners, right?

What trump did was also ethical. Are you suggesting losses should not offset gains?

so its okay when Trump does it but not Hillary?

lol im not even a Hillary supporter... just stopped in to laugh at poorly educated basement dwellers like yourself

cheers

technically he isn't dodging anything, he used a loophole allowing for his losses to exempt him from paying.

A man who understands the tax code like that is the kind of person you want running a country, not the woman who's had a say in the tax code over the past 30 years but doesn't have a clue how it works.

No, I don't want the middle class to be looked out for. Progressivism is bad.

Wrong

And actually, the tax changes that have occured under Obama have been heavily skewed towards favoring the middle class at the expense of the rich. And those have led to (FINALLY) some real growth in household income in this country - 5% last year. Read something, prick.

>You fuicks are retarded if you think Donny Trump has you on his side
We don't demand that the president be a nanny and hold our hand. We don't expect him "to be on our side"

But I thought if you lost a billion dollars, you won?

>muh (((skewed))) polls

We don't give a fuck about calling a fat pig a fat pig. Shit, the term for Americans on this board is either Amerifat or Burger. Save your butt hurt for gender studies class faggot.

Why should tax code penalize the elite to help the middle class? The elite are the only people that really matter.

Come back and post when you turn that million into $3.9 billion.

sounds like trickle down has treated you well, eh friend?

I once agreed with this. Am a rich fag by the way

Legal tax deductions =/= money laundering foundation

You should stop posting.
It's painfully obvious you're too young to be here.

Again the forbes article is baseless speculation. This big of a deduction would without a doubt make the IRS inspect him closely, basically a gurantee that it was no accounting gimmic.

Do you want a source on the IRS definetely inspecting him for such a large deduction: IT IS IN THE NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE.

Just admit you were wrong mate, you are not a retard if you admit it was a mistake based on shitty massmedia reporting, but you are acting retarded when trying to go with this stupid narrative when your argument has been blown to pieces.

It's ok we all make mistake, just back out of the corner, the paint will only stick a short while.

Seems to have worked pretty well so far

Inequality and hierarchy are seen as good on the Right. Income inequality is not a bad thing, in fact it is very good.

You've become weak then.

>The elite are the only people that really matter.
you have no idea how right you are. if their pockets are deep enough they can literally get away with murder

>if you lost a billion dollars, you won
Are you retarded? Yes, you are.

Nice that it doesn't include benefits which has skyrocketed in recent years.

>ITT: Circlejerking and people replying to themselves.

>Hillary
>not a fraud

The fuck you talking about?

Accounting gimmicks are legal loopholes, douche bag, the exact kind Trump would actually be talking about if he were really advocating for his typical voter

>So it's shilling for bringing up facts?

One HUGE fact is nobody pays any more taxes than they legally have to.

So what IRS form do you use to pay more taxes than you legally owe?

Except he said reporters were calling Miss Universe "Miss Piggy," and went on yo say Miss Universe is the most beautiful woman he knows, anf insulted the reporters for insulting her.

But have fun letting the media tell you what he REALLY said. You're just not fooling anybody but yourselves.

Google loophole please.

baseless speculation.

youtu.be/-WTfoT_y-BQ

Since most CTR shills don't seem to recognize what is a logically sound argument, here I'll showcase it for you:
- Your posting is retarded
- People shouldn't post retarded shit on the internet
=You should stop posting on the internet.

>TFW there's people who uniornically don't support Gilfwaifu Stein.

>was also ethical

You're right, egoism is also a school of thought.

Grow up and stand on your own two feet manlet.

Why don't you go and enlighten us on exactly how Trump dodges taxes when middle class people don't.

You can't see his tax return. So you can't. You just speculate this bullshit saying he doesn't pay taxes. You assume the IRS doesn't do their job correctly.

It's like people who say his clothing is made in Thailand. So fuck, if it was made in the USA he would have to raise his prices and then he couldn't compete and then he'd have no profit to tax.

All these fucking idiots who can only see one step ahead. But urgh he makes his clothes in Thailand what's your point... when they are sat there with a wardrobe full of clothes made in China/Thailand etc...

The point is you, the motherfucking thick as pigshit credit card maxing consumer, wouldn't buy the clothes if they cost more. So he can't make clothes in the USA. But erm... these 3 companies which make leather shoes and belts are located next to a slaughterhouse, made in the USA, Trump should do the same. So duh why doesn't trump just make his clothing there, in the USA, with American workers like the other companies.

But Trump skips tax, and his clothes are made in Thailand, and he hired foreign workers... So I don't see your point.

You ever wonder why people just don't answer your questions? They just walk away for you are you're stood there like... Oh he walked away. I must have won the argument.

If Trump were to release his tax returns like every other serious contender for POTUS in the last 40 years, no one would be speculating
I know what a loophole is.

You are getting conned so fucking hard m8

Trump is just here to make Hillary electable

no choice as always in Amerikkka

Bitch, I'm rich already. I just find it distasteful that I get away paying less than 20% taxes when average Joes pay more.

>anticapitalist
>environmentalist
Get out of Cred Forums.

Because the rich create jobs while the average joe is a drain on society.

A privileged white female hippie, who never held an actual job in her life and thinks nuclear power plants are literal A-bombs. She preaches unicorns and rainbows because that is what her daddy, and then her rich husband have handed her her whole life.

Fair point. Absolutely. still doesn't justify how badly the 1% are running away with too much of the nations income due to tax policies since Reagan. Wasnt this country great in the 50s-60s when we had a more progressive tax code?

Paying unnecessary taxes is dumb. If he can legally avoid paying certain things then yeah, he is being smart.

What? The average joe? Meaning who? Do you not understand tax brackets?

>Trump: That makes me smart
He is smart. You don't get to fly around in your very own Boeing 757 by being dumb.

Oh, I also do the carry forward of loss. In real estate here. It's really no big deal, but a good idea to have a professional accountant do that for you.

And OP, please drink bleach.

...

Can't say I've created a whole lot of jobs recently. Sold my business, living off investments atm. I will start a new business soon enough, but fucking tax rates are not going be the deciding factor if I start a business or not.

It's a matter of scale. It proves he is smart, and he is worth what he says he is.

kill yourself shill

If they are no jobs anymore, why on earth do you support hillary? Are you actually retarded? Or is it just pretend?

If you've got a problem with the tax code, then donate more of your money to the IRS. There's no law against it.

Im not sure how voting for a career politician, whose husband signed the carry forward deduction into law, is a solution.

No, it was great because it was almost completely white. it would be better for most people to live in poor, homogeneously white, religious, socially conservative country than it would to live in a rich liberal multiethnic country full of degeneracy.

>Worried about no good jobs existing
>Voting for Hillary

>The Clinton Foundation
is corruption incarnate. fuk off shill

Give it up and get another anonymous proxy, CTR shill. You were caught in a lie claiming Donald Trump fat-shamed Miss Universe, nothing posted by this ID can be considered valid any more.

>getting my record corrected this early

Fuck no, aint paying more than the next guy in my shoes.
Why shouldn't it be institutionalized that rich people have to pay more tax? That's the idea of our tax code but not how it functions in practice.

It was because we had a manufacturing base and we still had the gold standard to back our currency. Our manufacturing has been gutted and inflation has killed our currency. But, let's pretend that the solution is giving more money to the government or voting for a candidate who is a literal shill for the industries that have been outsourcing jobs.

>NO I"M FUCKING SUGGESTING THAT IF HE WERE REALLY LOOKING OUT FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS HE WOULD GET RID OF THE LOOPHOLES THAT LET ASSHOLES LIKE HIM AVOID PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES.
that means the rents on my properties (and all rentals) would go through the roof.

drink bleach shill

No, manufacturing has died because entitled proles want to be paid too much money for something a Chinaman can for far less.

>why shouldn't it be institutionalized

It was until our politicians began representing multinational corporations instead of the people. It's no coincidence that every multinational and president is backing one candidate.

1% aren't the problem at all, 1% is my boss owner of a small business of 15 employees who makes 1.5-2 million a year who pays over 50% in income tax while damn near fucking 50% of the country pays ZERO% income tax. Move over a decimal place or 2 to get to the real players that fully take advantage of the tax system to pay as little as possible (which is what my normally smart but in this instance idiot boss should be doing). It's not that hard to get a trust started and donate to charity to get outstanding tax breaks.

If you want to blame anyone blame the politicians both at a county, state, and federal level that make the path of least resistance available so that US companies pay their taxes to foreign countries that offer cheaper tax alternatives.

Thanks for reminding me that Clinton Sheeple think that getting a degree in Women's Studies makes them smart.

Sure, there will always be someone who can do it for less money, especially when their cost of living us much lower. That doesn't mean we should send all our manufacturing overseas. A protective tariff on manufactured goods would benefit our workers. Cheap consumer goods shouldn't be the ultimate goal.

I am a working class person and I do pay federal income tax.

Fuck you I hope you die in a fire.

>Is there anything Nimble America/Kremlin Trump shills will not defend?

You assume they're thinking with their brains.

Trump's biggest base is uneducated white males. They'll vote for anything that (1) is caucasian and (2) has a penis, against anyone who isn't both.

No matter what kind of derelict or nutjob their guy turns out to be, they will never see him as anything but great.

>Wasnt this country great in the 50s-60s when we had a more progressive tax code?
It's the debt STUPID, it's the DEBT.
pic related

>implying

>Our manufacturing has been gutted
Falling for the dey tuk ur jerbs meme
US manufacturing is alive and well and growing. Its just done by machines and fewer people than it used to. Offshoring is a symptom of the same problem (that our standard of living is too high in this country for high paying time intensive manufacturing labor to be a significant input cost in any goods we produce). But offshoring is ~20% of the jobs lost vs 80% due to automation. And the jobs lost to offshoring would be automated soon anyways

What do you mean "we"? The owners of manufacturing companies have every right to move their production overseas. They have no allegiance to American workers.

He said she was fat. If she wants to consider that a mark of shame instead of just a vice, it's up to her.

That's fine. If they have no allegiance to our workers then a tariff should be slapped on every one of their products.

>Coming from a Hillary supporter
Can you even tell me what her plan is to produce more jobs and get the country out of debt? What about her plan on the immigration problem? 80-90 billion dollars are lost due to undocumented immigrants annually. Let's see you use your big nigger brain.

>If he gives tax cuts that benefit his businesses, is this considered a conflict of interest and grounds for removal?

Yes, it's legal.

But it also means he's a huge sucking tax burden on the working class who's subsidizing his lifestyle.

I don't want to keep paying for him and his businesses to use roads, public works, security, defense, research, and human capital infrastructure (schools, colleges and etc that support his workforce) FOR FREE.

It's legal, but he's a massive welfare queen on a scale that could pay welfare for millions of people who are nicer than he is.

>China enters the WTO in 2000
>manufacturing jobs fall like a rock in 2000
>LOOK IT WAS AUTOMATION

You spent all that time making that gay image but couldn't be bothered posting any sources to support your argument. Proof you have a dick in your butt OP. Go ahead and pay taxes out of the goodness of your own heart bc thats the American way hahahahahahahaha!

>The working class subsidizes his lifestyle
You have that backwards. The rich subsidize the lifestyle of the working class.

China has dark factories now. Most American workers are not smart enough to get into a top college so they have no prospects. Too bad for them.

>Trump doesn't need to pay more taxes than he is legally obligated to.

>Hillary should be held to a higher degree of standard than she was legally obligated to regarding her emails.

>get BTFO
>sh-shill!

never change Cred Forums

p.s. look forward to your tears in november kiddo

Praise Kek. Hail Pepe. Rest in Parkinson's, nigger CTR shills.

yet somehow our manufacturing output continued to increase...

How about the case of Japan with its protectionist pocies, they havent held on to their manufacturing jobs any better than we have....and they are not sharing in the benefits of free trade the way we are, with low prices and better exporting opportunities.

>thinkprogress

>muh free market

College enrollment, and debt, is at an all time high. Education isn't worth a damn if there aren't jobs for the people when they get out.

Look at the date on your graph -- before the debate. Your tax-subsidized welfare queen is becoming a lot less popular with the working class since the debate, and after his massive taxpayer subsidized losses and living tax free on us, gets factored in.

He's contributed nothing to the country, and he's not only using all the public goods and services for free by living tax free, but we've been subsidizing his business losses, too.

He's no working class hero. Look for his polls to drop due to the tax thing around the start of next week.

Even Joe and Mika say it's nothing.

But thanks for trying to Correct the Record!

Elite colleges are worth the investment. Mediocre colleges are not. If you can't get into a top college, too bad for you. Accept a lower-middle class existence.

>1- We hate liberals and will vote Trump no matter what
You people don't even know the difference between liberal and conservative anymore. When you manage to take a crack at a political opinion other than "I hate niggers" I'm shocked at how often you sound like somebody who would be considered a liberal just 10 years ago.

Look at the graph again. You guys keep saying only stupid, poor whites vote for Trump, but the evidence doesn't support that at all. He has a 20 point lead among the middle class. Only poor people with liberal arts degrees are With Her®.

You do know of all the crimes she's committed right?
>B-but Trump didn't pay taxes
He did, just not anymore than he had to.
>H-Hillary's emails aren't that big of a deal
Then why did she delete them afterwards?
>H-Hillary still hasn't done all that much wrong
Let's forget the emails and talk about Benghazi, or do you want to talk about how she was paying the terrorists that did 9/11? Or would you rather discuss the fact that ISIS was being created right under her nose and she didn't do a single thing to stop it?

Anyway you put it, the middle class is shrinking fast. More education doesn't seem to be the answer.

One was written into law (Trumps first use was in 1995, two years after it was instituted) the other was a clear violation (of a law code that's been in effect since the 1980s).

>Can you even tell me what her plan is to produce more jobs and get the country out of debt? What about her plan on the immigration problem? 80-90 billion dollars are lost due to undocumented immigrants annually. Let's see you use your big nigger brain.

Good infrastructure spending (not spewing money out cluelessly like Obama's wasted stimulus). Expanded national service for young people that gives them work experience and helps them build a career. There's so much stuff in her plans, it's really a long list.

She also gets the anti-trade deal anger (I think they all do, even the GOP) and won't be supporting any blanket trade deals anymore (nobody in Congress will if they want to get reelected).

Joe is a Republican shill who loves the Koch brothers and will say anything the Koch brothers pay him to say.

>Because the rich create jobs
In China.

A liberal is one who promotes liberalism, as in, social liberalism, atheism, feminism, multi-ethnic society, and equality. A conservative is one who promotes social conservatism, Christianity, patriarchy, ethnic homogeneity, and inequality.

What answer is needed? Those outside the intellectual elite are useless. Who really cares what happens to them?

cant tell if this guy is trolling or really believing this shit

Because a society of masters and slaves isn't a healthy society. The more people who are economically and emotionally involved in the country, the better off we are. They middle class is the cornerstone of democracy.

>You have that backwards. The rich subsidize the lifestyle of the working class.

I think you've missed the whole point of Trump's welfare queen massive tax writeoffs story. The guy has literally not paid taxes for most of his adult life, while we've been subsidizing his losses.

The taxpayer has footed the bill for Trump for about $1.8 billion dollars in writeoffs from his business losses ($915 million) and tax breaks he got for his buildings in New York ($885 million). All while paying practically no taxes at all in his adult life.

This guy is one of the world's biggest tax-code exploits welfare queens.

So she's going to spend more money training young people (Which is what they're suppose to do one their own by going to college) and that's going to help the country earn enough money to get out of debt?

Also we'll still lose almost 100 billion dollars on undocumented immigrants.

She called TPP the golden standard. Do you really think she'll do anything about it?

>Look at the graph again. You guys keep saying only stupid, poor whites vote for Trump, but the evidence doesn't support that at all. He has a 20 point lead among the middle class. Only poor people with liberal arts degrees are With Her®.

Well, let's wait and see when the polls come in early next week. Those will have the new shocks about his business tax bomb and never paying taxes thing factored in.

Anything we say right now is just guessing.

When is the last time you paid more taxes than you had to? We should be punishing the people who deliberately wrote the tax laws to allow this, not the people who use it. Pic very related.

wtf i hate trump now

THIS

It's not guessing at all. Look at the data. He's held a steady lead in the middle class for months now.

Hillary only consistently leads in college educated and poor people. I wonder which group of people this consists of?!

Problem with that is that if you go after him, you'll also need to go after everyone else that used the same written tax plan, and we both know that MANY BUSINESSMEN have done so too. One that may very well be against Trump at this very moment

I'm out.
You fuckers should probably shallow these red pills. But I'm guessing you fuckers are too chickenshit to actually give this a chance. Its literally the most important issue facing this country right now - how Bernie and Trump have blown up this false 'they took our jobs' meme. And are pushing towards erasing free trade which will have disastrous effects on our economy and will provide little/no benefit for our employment. We need to set ourselves up for the jobs of the future and not yearn back to those 20th century good factory jobs that will never come back.

Not to mention, Bill is the one who signed the deduction into law for this explicit purpose.

forgot to link these...

Just like all you Brits are terrible teeth having, tea drinking pansies who have given their country over to muslims. Ill see you when we send the next generation of Americans over to try and liberate you cuckolds from your own politicians. Its fun to make generalizations isn't it? How lovely

This! So much this!

Why is Trump being hated for using the laws in the way they were made? Loopholes are damn near essential in becoming successful in today's society.
>If you were trying to buy a ps4 but didn't have 300+ dollars and find someone selling a brand new ps4 online for 250, would you get hated because sony didn't get an extra 50+ dollars from you?