Why do wars in China always kill an absolutely ridiculous number of people?

We are most brutal nation please sit down

>High population density, increasing the size of armies and casualties
>lots of social protocols, easy to piss of another noble family
>obedience to authority, men follow orders to the letter

right for the first 2, but obedience to authority? Why do you think CCP had to go police state just to maintain control?

Just poor plebs that got conscripted on the way to the front.

have you ever seen chinese movies OP?

they are the most blown out of proportion exaggerating people on the planet

Human wave doctrine.

Is this an actual quote anyway?
Stalin: we now have a weapon that can kill lots of people in mere minutes
Mao: good, we have a lot of people.

There are a lot of people in China so the capacity of each combatant to field an army and use it is much higher. Plus I'll bet that those figures aren't all battlefield deaths but disease and famine as well. A war that disrupts agriculture will kill a lot of people from famine, and when a population is that big more people will die.

I also look at famous battles like red cliffs and think those numbers are exaggerated, like many battles of ancient Greeks and Romans probably are too, but the fact that the armies are so huge makes those inflated numbers more plausible

Asians are the most evil of races.

See;
>every mad steppe-nigger conquest
>imperial japan
>imperial and communist china

because there is more than a billion of them

The Black Plague wiped out a lot of people. I believe it was on the high end of some 60-80% of people.

Yeah Chinese historical revisionism is incredible

what were the historical accounts about rape? and please describe in full details

nanking never happened faggot

Interesting, never heard of this before. Where do the numbers come from, how were they calculated?

>they just don't make enemy officers like they used to

>t. Hiroshima Nagasaki

Because thats an incredible amount of dumb people following war leaders to fight against each other .
If individuals can think , they will not mindlessly join the war .

Because the Chinese are foolish enough to pursue Lu Bu

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>>a guy gets pissed because the other guy won't buy his bamboo poles
>>sparks a massive war that killed up to 20,000,000 people

Those numbers sniff like exaggeration. I know it here were great deaths but those numbers are retarded.

These numbers are most likely exaggerated. Just look at the estimates of people killed under Mao. Up to 70 million? And this was in the second half of the 21st century. And yet we don't know any of their names. People who grew up during that time dont know of anyone personally who was killed. And these numbers are often cited from Deng Xiaoping's inner circle of academics, who led a campaign after Mao's death to slander his legacy.

I'm not defending Mao here, he was one of the worst leaders in the modern era in terms of the damage he did. Hundreds of thousands, if not even millions, of people were killed in his ideological war. But 70 million? Give me a break, not even close. None of the reliable sources suggest anywhere near that

Basically, China has a history of exaggerating the trials that they have suffered. Brutal stuff, to be sure, but nothing like the estimates you're referencing here

Part of the problem is that "china" was such a nebulous term until recently. When you count the entire interior as far as Central Asia, the numbers are completely fucked.

Large population so lots of participants.

Ambition.

There was always tension between the Han and Muslims in areas they lived in and then over a succession of brawls and tit-for-tat attacks over minor things or just regular crime, the last one which lead to shit getting serious was over a han bamboo pole salesman

> One of the many brawls and riots that contributed to the rebellion was initiated by a fight triggered over the price of bamboo poles that a Han merchant was selling to a Hui (muslim). This eventually led to a massacre of Hui in many area villages when they refused to agree to the price of the poles.

It wasnt the main cause, the war wouldve happened anyway, there were just too many muslims in China living with non-muslim Chinese.

Chinese vs muslims

To be fair, the Three Kingdoms was an entire era that spanned a number of generations in a densely populated culture. And they may be counting what was technically the run up to the Three Kingdoms (either Yellow Turban Rebellion onward, or the Dong Zhuo Regency onward) as well as the Three Kingdoms period proper. 40,000,000 deaths over the course of nearly a century seems reasonable. The fact that the era proper was basically one giant stalemate (think WW1 with spears and arrows) until the very end didn't help matters much.

>Why do wars in China always kill an absolutely ridiculous number of people?
The Chinese use numbers to overcome their enemies, not unlike ants. For every soldier killed, their women will pop out four more.

1. >rare
2. So, basically the Chinese had the same problems with Muslims that everyone else has. Guess we're not so different after all.

Benevolence

Because was always a overpopulated country.

>f
I too have played Hearts of Iron

It's even more insane when you realize that they attack themselves more than they attack neighboring countries.

Human waves are hardly just an Hearts of Iron thing. And don't ever dare to reply to me if you played only HOI4.

China has whole mountain ranges that have been sculpted into fertile rice fields.

China is and was very populous. In order to sustain a very large population you need advanced farming infrastructure and a complex economy. Massive warfare damages both causing food shortages and poverty. Like always in nature the population is reduced to sustainable levels. 10, 20, 30% of people die of famine and disease. Of course some die a violent death in battles, massacres and whatnot, but just like in the thirty years war most depopulation is in the end caused by a drastic drop in food production and an economic collapse, not by direct violence

tl;dr there are and were a lot of chinks, when 10% die due to war its a big number.

Because we fucking raze and massacre entire cities and such.

Hell people here absolutely adore Cao Cao but even he massacred some cities when he conquered them.
Liu Bei and Sun Quan were more well liked because there were no documents about the former genociding cities and the latter only genocided subhuman Vietnamese and assorted SEAniggers

Sure put my neurons to work.

Starvation and disease acting on a massive population. It's basic Malthusian stuff. You have to look at the death rate to make any comparisons.

Rotating garlic health items.

Cao Cao was never depicted as a good man though. He was always seen as a bad guy.

pretty much this
even the biggest wars of europe didn't entail much too much of it land-wise
and europe is surrounded by ocean all around, which makes food-aid possible to be provided everywhere - thus no section becomes completely landlocked and starves to death after people raze their farms.

Because they're willing to turn on each other in a blink of an eye, destroy agricultural areas that support civilian populations and that they've never really been unified in their history with all their warlords for sale shit.

Well there were actual historical records written in the Wei court that documented such. The same was also the same in the Wu court when it came to killing Vietnamese people.

Kongming actually banned any historians from recording shit so we don't actually know if he ordered any genocides on cities. Shufags later on just went on and said he didn't despite there was no evidence whether or not he did or didn't

1) There is a lot of people in Chine
2) Those numbers are probably highly exaggerated
3) Absence of the modern european concept of chivalry (that stems from Christianity), where you mostly don't kill the enemy civilians.

The romans also killed a huge number of people in their wars. It was standard practice to raze cities to the ground and kill/enslave all the inhabitants.

Drastically exaggerated numbers.

European casualty estimates are tempered by what most modern western historians see as their obligation to tell the truth. The Chinese are a pragmatic people and culture, and feel no such obligation.

>and europe is surrounded by ocean all around, which makes food-aid possible to be provided everywhere - thus no section becomes completely landlocked and starves to death after people raze their farms.
oh and to add more to this, the trade network in europe was so well built up that they could just buy off food from non-warring countries so they didn't even need to produce it themselves.
with very few exceptions like complete naval superiority + completely landlocked provinces aside.

During natural disasters (especially floods) there would be widespread starvation as food stores were not always adequately maintained. This was in times of peace, so imagine that happening in times of war.

During seiges or other drawn out wars there was deliberate flooding and the razing of food stores. China carried out "dam warfare" and would simply reroute rivers to fuck up their adversaries.

Starvation and disease killed millions in their conflicts. They had some bloddy battles but in their history but only a fraction of casualties came from spears, arrows or swords.

why is this guy a god in China?

He doesn't even have a good musou attack.

>/his/

Bunch of Marxist faggots

Shu propaganda from Ming Dynasty.

>He doesn't even have a good musou attack.
don't those change every game they put out?

The vast majority of the deaths were not due to combat, they were civilian deaths caused by starvation and pillaging.

death numbers are only one half of the story.

Looking at kill/death ratios, you will find that Western civilisations are really champions at war, extermination and genocide. Something to be proud of!

Asians are smarter, blacks are more athletic, arabs are more used to authority, whites are just top-notch at killing other people.

Also, there are much more chinese guys so more dying isn't really a surprise.

>China carried out "dam warfare" and would simply reroute rivers to fuck up their adversaries.

Forgot to point out they did this as recently as 1938. They rerouted the yellow river during their conflicts with Japanese forces and used the flood as a weapon.

They sacrificed a half million of their own people and created 10 million refuges just to slow down the advancing Japanese forces. Some death toll estimates are as high as 900,000 (almost all of them their own Chinese civilians).

They destroyed millions of lives and left a massive region of towns, cities and farmland silted over for a decade just to delay an enemy army for a few months.

This is normal for China.

Is using two swords a good idea in war?

most probably starved to death

This guy was my favourite in 4.

>that Worf voice

Geez... And they call the Japanese the bad guys.
youtube.com/watch?v=AYJjEwLM-Jg&list=FLNyl1d98OJUFbA5O1TEwN1A&index=4

I wonder what Kongming's motivation for doing that could possibly be. It's a total mystery.

Them fucking chinks is soulless man. Nothing but drones following the orders of the emperor or empress. Dang they had some cute empresses back in the day too. Would kill to do a little time traveling and ravage one of them in their tight chink butthole

To be fair that river and flood plain was where most of the ancient (and modern) cities existed and where most of the wars were fought. There have been dams and levees since antiquity. The river has barely remained under human control at the best of times and it frequently found new routes (sometimes killing millions in the process).

It makes sense that flood warfare became such a normal concept to them. Before nukes existed, the dam break was their "nuclear option".

>one of the largest countries in the world
>the most populated country in the world
>the referenced wars last very long periods

the wars are fought between several kingdoms/dynasties/large tribes its like watching entire Europe fight not just two or three countries.

More deaths doesnt mean more savage
Jap behavior IS savage

Because they have a fuckload of people there so wars are in bigger scale.

>subhuman Vietnamese and assorted SEAniggers

Funny, coming from a people who got raped nonstop by horse nomads for 1500 years.

Millions of poorfag peasants who think they can get some land and money if they pick the winning side

lol no it was always a meme

Only three times out of the 13 major dynasties we had.

1st time during the Jin Dynasty
2nd time during the Song Dynasty
and 3rd time during the Ming Dynasty

The difference is that the Han people cucked them all in the end and they eventually integrated into the society whether by interbreeding or education.

Three words:

HUMAN
WAVE
ATTACK

Seriously though, being born Chinese throughout history must've been horrible. Chinese history is tragic.

Because whenever there is a big war the chinese conscripted way too many people and then there was noone left to make food so starvation shot the nubmer of deaths so high.

Pic. my neighbor

In my opinion China is wonderful because they are the many culture and history nation

Why I hate China? Communist.

I also hate Korea because half communist.

I hate Korea less, because only half.

Positive side is that we get reminded of our 5000+ years of dynastic history as frequently as you folks get reminded of the 6 million that died taking a shower in Prussian bootcamps.

>Checked
>Zozzled

>Muh dynasties.

A tiny upper class that uses a billion peasants as cannon fodder.

For almost 3000 years the 'dynasties' were the most technologically advanced civilization on earth so yes that's sort of an accomplishment.

And all it took was a couple tons of opium to bring it crashing down..

If they were so great then why'd they get wrecked so hard by the Mongols and Japanese

>then why'd they get wrecked so hard by the Mongols and Japanese
you forget that mongols wrecked absolutely everything
probably all of europe would have fallen to mongols if the khan wouldn't have died, creating a contested vacuum of power.

>Mongols
Because the Song Dynasty was fighting Jurchens at the time and their only good General (Yue Fei) got backstabbed by the PM who was a Jurchen plant.

>Japanese
An asshole named Yuan Shicai crashed the ROC with no survivors back in 1920.

But it doesn't matter, all great dynasties and civilizations fall one way or the other. Just like Persia, Rome, HRE, USSR and now western Europe to Arabs.

Anglos have the credit for maintaining their integrity for some 500 years though.