Do you find this character offensive?

>House Keeper
It was her house.

I though she was hot.
Also, because I'm not murrican I also though she was just a giant mouse.

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I saw it as a kid in Nigeria. Never knew it was supposed to be offensive.

Where'd you get this picture of me?

Not really. I still found her a lot more funny than any other owner. She fucked up Tom a lot and that was hilarious. I remember this one time Tom got really drunk and he kicked her in her sleep and she just jumped on him.

I want her to give me a handjob.

I also used to think she was a hamster or some gigantic rodent.

Yeah, she's almost the same color as Jerry.
No wonder my retarded 10-year old brain back then filled the blanks with "giant mouse woman".
Still hot, tho.

Oh totally.

No, I don't find her offensive. At least, I don't find her to be a character with the intent of being insensitive for the time period it was created. When divorced from context, she can be misconstrued to be a racially insensitive caricature.

What's more, I found her to actually be a valuable third character that is sorely missed from later incarnations of Tom and Jerry.

>Black home ownership

Now thats offensive!

This. Owners of Tom and Jerry are incredibly boring... except her.

how is it insensitive at all?

I don't know. Maybe the way she is dressed is stereotypical in the US?

a dress and apron? Strange that people would find that offensive, of all things.

We never did get to see her face so it was fine

user, don't be obtuse.
She obviously resembles and to a degree acts like Sassy Mammy stereotypes. Dissect it as much as you want and try to divorce the aspects from one another but we know what she is.

>Sassy Mammy

I honestly don't know what the fuck that is. But she looks like my grandma.

No..... Now that fucker Jerry? He pisses me off so fucking bad.

even as a little black child I never found her offensive

The real question is who was the voice actress and what other work/roles did she do we can check out?

Considering I'm not murrican and I grew up in the 90's, no.

Rather she was part of how I formed my stance on housewives who saw themselves as the ones that managed the home. Anything that went against her view was a problem that would be dealt with in a harsh way.

Sorry for being a faggot and not just looking it up: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillian_Randolph

Mammy Two Shoes... so it is a stereotype. I don't get it, but I guess it is.

Still looks like my grandma and that aunt that makes my dick feels funny.

Stereotypes tend to be founded in reality. This one is just the result of the role many black maids and housewives found themselves in during the early and mid 20th century.

why ask? obviously it's a black caricature

No.

ok, but is there any porn of her?

a black housekeeper, a common profession for black women in old times
now thanks to Rosa Parks they get to drive the buses, and the Mexican immigrant ladies have to clean our houses

... Are there... Are there fetish pages dedicated to them?

We never saw anyone else, so I personally saw her as the housewife rather than the nanny. In any case, I don't think she was offensive. She was never put in a demeaning position. Always the straight man/mediator of the household.

That mangy fucking cat, on the other hand. Can't even catch a single mouse, and fucks up the whole house in the meanwhile.

Never understood what was the problem, honestly preferred her over all the other owners they've shown.
Especially that anger management guy, any scene with him was just plain unfunny.

>black.
>female
>probably a hardworking woman who needs no man.
>has own house, a really good house
>is educated about rodents can carry awful diseases.
>house is mostly impeccable, despite a mouse and cat do a lot of mayhem on a daily basis.
That woman should get a medal, not being considered offensive.

>the life achievements of this woman that progressed in adversing times for black people and women were censored because all her work is considered offensive to black people and women now.
This is an insult to her and all black people in the industry.

I think people might have a point if she was a housekeeper, but it starts to fall apart when you take into account that she was always shown as the owner of a nice house in a good neighborhood. She was independent and never took any shit. And I think the worst part of all is that replacing her is covering up the work of a good black actress.

>MFW Mammy gave me jungle fever

I find her hands weird and bear-like, but nothing offensive.

I wouldn't know I'm a 3DPD heretic

No. Mammy Two Shoes was the best.

PROGRESS

I always thought she was the owner.

Considering she was always doing housework, it fits she would be dressed like that. And it's pretty much agreed on that it's her house since no other person was ever seen in it.

Nope.

You actually did but it was edited later.

Not at all, and I watched the shorts as a kid when they still used her original voice. None of that redubbed Mammy shit.

old womans really dress like this in my country, so i never saw her as a maid so no
She is just a babushka

Not really. Yeah, it's a little weird watching old movies or cartoons and seeing stuff like that in it, and I'd be lying if I said it didn't make me cringe a little now and then. But it's nowhere near as offensive to me as fucking white liberals coddling me and apologizing to me every time they see or say something they worry I might find offensive. There's nothing more annoying and condescending than someone bragging about how 'like, totally not racist they are' while at the same time tiptoeing around you like they expect you to chimp out and eat their face if they say the wrong thing.

You have to really ask?

i first thought you made a list of things that made her the perfect waifu kek

This

>i never really saw her this way but who cares let's talk about some american politics trash because that's fun and it goes somewhere

When I was a kid I had never seen blacks irl (even the design of cartoon american houses were kind of alien) so I never knew those caricatures were supposed to represent them, I thought they were a made up species for cartoons. I used to think she was an antro bear or something like that.I was too inocent.

>Cred Forums unironically looking for things to get triggered about
hello Cred Forumsmblr

My point is that people make a bigger deal out of it than it's worth, and if anything people trying to be so oversensitive and overprotective is more offensive than the supposedly offensive shit they're complaining about.

No, it never occurred to me that she was even supposed to be a black stereotype.
Even as a kid I thought she was just an everyday lady trying to keep her cat from fucking shit up.

I saw someone post some of the comics here once and it was some legit stereotypical minstrel caricature bullshit. In the show though, no, I've never had a problem with her. When I was a kid I didn't even think she was a maid, I assumed she was the owner of the house. I think in some of the later episodes Tom really did live with her.

I don't find anything truly offensive.

She is the perfect waifu.

Language, user!

Here's a good question.
Is there any porn of her?

How do you make porn of a character who doesn't have a visible head?

I don't exactly remember, but was she a maid or was she the owner of the house? It'd be offensive if it was the former, but not so offensive if it was the latter.

NAW WOT'S THIS JIBBEHJABBUH

Now that I think about it, she's the only interesting human Tom & Jerry character.
Do any of you even remember the names of the other humans?

Owner of the house atleast in some shorts.

Should've been all the shorts desu

>No, the racist caricature isn't racist. But do you know what is racist? White liberals.
>I'm totally black, trust me.

No, why would I? It's not a caricature, there were actually people that looked like that and sounded like that.

Black user here, not really. It was a different time back then and it has no real effect on people now, especially when you consider the fact that this pales in comparison to people getting outright murdered for being different. Truth be told, I can get a chuckle out of a few racial jokes and caricatures at the expense of other blacks, asians, whites, etc.

But he didn't say that.
He said "I'm not as offended by an old cartoon as actual people treating me differently and making shit awkward."

I'm more offended that they've gone back and redone her voice, effectively erasing the accomplishments of her original voice actress, the first black voice actress in US animation.

This guy is correct.

I always just thought she owned Tom in the cartoons she appeared in. Woman liked jazz too.

IS YOU IS
OR IS YOU AIN'T
MY BABY

Where do you think you are?

Yes I am offended by headless people.

I see it now but as a kid I just saw some woman who owned a cat. And was understandably pissed of by the crazy things the animals in her house did.

She might be a housekeeper but I don't remember or never noticed that, I thought it was her house and she just wore an apron because she was cleaning her house.

Yeah, I can't remember any other people who were were ever in the home.

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I watched the show as a kid in 2000s Southeast Asia, and I ditto the "Tom's owner" thing AND her being the owner of the house. I only knew of how it could be interpreted as a supposedly racist maid caricature because of America-centric sites talking about T&J.

No I don't even understand the controversy she's just an old lady, are black female characters never allowed to be older than 40 or something?
She reminds me of my grandma.

>She obviously resembles and to a degree acts like Sassy Mammy stereotypes.
And...And, why are those bad exactly?

a context of historical race relations and the belief it perpetuated the image of black subservenience and buffoonery.
Even if Mammy two Shoes was never exactly that I imagine people would see it that way at first glance.

Stop posting my mom

I think it IS her house.

Unintentionally culturally insensitive at worst. Far from racist but very much a product of a different era. We shouldn't shield people from it, but we should at least provide context.

Because there were NEVER big ol' black ladies that acted like this, nope, never. Just an evil racist idea.

I prefer this 100 times over just erasing these cartoons entirely because muh feelings.
Also, it was definitely her house.
>Single black woman successful enough to own large house in the suburbs with her cat
>Always has a house stocked with food and fine china for the cunt mouse to steal and break
>Clearly has money for all this shit
>Offensive because people don't like the accent
My fat hairy ass.

No. But then I'm not american so I'm not obsessed with racism.

She's not a housekeeper, she clearly owns the place. In episode Saturday Evening Puss she puts on her jewelry and a thick fur coat for a night out of town with Tom partying it up in her house with other cats, she even says it's hers when Jerry calls her on the phone to alert her of the party.
It is.

youtube.com/watch?v=yimfjlFx_7A

youtube.com/watch?v=DO1fpNWy83U

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With how much she would lay into Tom when that little shit Jerry was being a prick you're kind of right.

>Literally the only thing that separates diversity and racism is an accent
Fucking ridiculous

I thought, she weared brown gloves.

Only tumblr, reddit, and Cred Forums.

No. Why would I?

I never knew, living in South America and all. They clearly had a black woman do the voice in Spanish too, but as a young boy it never clicked on me the significance, just assumed that yeah, she was a black lady with a house and a cat. Maybe things have changed since last time I had cable (almost a decade ago) but there used to be Cartoon Network marathons and they aired these episodes like no big deal in Latin America.

>Cred Forums falseflags as blacks again
Every time.

Yes. Yellow socks and red slippers? You bet your ass that's offensive.

Reddit is a shithole filled with casually racist liberals, so no, they’re just as autistic as Cred Forums.

This

but people look like that, even today.

No. She was the best human character and best owner Tom ever had. No idea why americans get triggered so hard by her, but her episodes were hilarious. Unlike the average faceless boring owners, Mammy had charisma for a "old racial depiction".
Jesus, that woman was scary as fuck tho. In the party episode, she goes fucking ballistic and rips off a door and drags it to the living room.

Holy shit ma mama look like dat g

Also, I'm not American. As a kid this never looked racist to me, in fact racism only existed in my world from watching American humor.

Those jokes about some higher power within the US that tries to stir up race wares isn't so far-fetched. Anyone, whether they're sjw or the counterpart, is just trying to mess with your minds.

Mammy two shoes getting white washed was offensive to me.

>he doesn't know
Cred Forums is nothing but self-hating blacks and latinos.

Not at all. She always looked like an middle aged, older woman having to deal with the destructive antics of the duo in her house. She never looked as a maid to me, just the owner of the house.

I'm black and growing up I never got the impression that she was a servant. I always thought she was the owner of the house.

There were, like there are also Amoral Greed Jews, Terrorist Muslims, and people who even physically resemble caricatures. A lot of stereotypes have some basis in reality, though their basis tends to be misrepresented a lot of the time. The issue a lot of people have/had with stereotypes like this was their prevalence, flatness, and insulting nature. Their fear is the saturation of these characters puts forth the idea that they're just a borg of these one dimensional beings made worse with subtexts of either savagery or subservience, as well as being outright insulted. If that's true or not is another debate but I feel that's the typical issue people have with that. However an issue with this is how they tend to throw baby out with bathwater. Like I said in another post, Mammy seems to be mostly a superficial stereotype. She's not exactly a deep character but she's not particularly any worse than the rest of Tom's owners. She's not a ridiculously over the top stereotype either, but the issue is more what time she's from than her herself that triggers the offended.

See, this is the shit I was talking about - 60 year old cartoons don't bother me as much as 'benevolent racists'.
>What's this? A person of color who doesn't conform to my stereotype of being hysterically offended and enraged by every vaguely racist depiction in media? He must be faking it! I would know - as a tolerant white person I'm uniquely qualified to tell you how black people are supposed to behave.
That shit drives me fucking nuts.

Hell no, she is based as fuck.
Only SJW snowflakes would get triggered by her.

All the same racial, religious, and national stereotypes exist today, the only difference is people were more open and upfront about stereotyping about it half a century ago. Society hasn't become less prejudiced, it's just warped that prejudice into a kind of perverted effort to pass it off as being tolerant.

This. Screw Jerry

I think you're blowing things out of proportion, and we're definitely less prejudice than the past, like objectively so.

>we're definitely less prejudice than the past, like objectively so
>t. white guy

She's offensive if you're a sheltered 20-year old who has never met this type of woman before.

She's a real person if you actually leave your safety bubble and meet your friend's parents/your own older members of the family.

I think her for being partly responsible for my mammy fetish.

remember that disney movie where people confused prejudice with oppresion?

I'm living in a world where I can vote, marry a woman of any race I please, have a wider opportunity of careers, and can't be legally barred from entering certain facilities purely because my ethnicity.
I'm not saying we don't have prejudice or even that most people don't have prejudices in them, but all in all, people are certainly less aggressive about it.

Just because people aren't actively oppressed based on these prejudices doesn't mean the prejudices aren't there and aren't still actively affecting the way people think and respond to other races, religions, nationalities, etc.

But people are also obviously more willing to be tolerant and even accepting despite any apparent or latent prejudices.
It's the difference between most whites going from being offended by the prospect of sharing facilities equally with blacks to at the very least tolerating their right to do so. Even if it took decades for it to happen.

the only offensive thing is the lack of porn of that BBW choco milf

I've always hated both Jerry and Tweety.

Tom at least won against Jerry couple of times, meanwhile Sylvester...

I loved Mammy. She's animated in a way that I could watch forever. A good character.

No.

Some of the people on this board aren't 'Merican. I only knew what the Mammy stereotype was after I read about it on TVTropes a few years ago.

When I was a kid, Mammy Two Shoes was just the funny, fed up owner of Tom. Later I understood that she was probably a racist caricature, but not of what.

Also, it's really important to remember that just because most all of us were too young for it, at least half of the population in this country still directly remembers the Civil Rights era happening. We're still living in the aftermath. You really do have to account for that. I think when you realize that most people you see in news footage of civil rights era riots, marches, and trials are still alive today, it is impressive the kind of progress that has been made but it's also not at all surprising how things still aren't great (or even aren't good if you want to be pessimistic). Humans take a few generations at least to really adjust culture in a significant manner.

Tweety and Sylvester never bothered me. They were in the same kind of situation as Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner - Wile E./Sylvester were always the ones starting shit and it backfired on them. Tom and Jerry always pissed me off because most of the time it was Jerry instigating shit.

I find taking offense to be offensive!