Do you agree that as long as the character is recognizable then it is on model...

That pinata is a 1:1 replica if we're going by "it's recognizable" standards.

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Shit, he looks way better since he left Sugar.

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What's under your hair, doctor?

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OKKO is a speshul case, let it go.

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>Do you agree that as long as the character is recognizable then it is on model?
No. Sounds like an excuse for poor management and an art team with no cohesion.
>Do you agree that sloppy design and animation makes a cartoon cute and quaint?
Yes, Superjail was amazing.
>Do you like Ian's art style?
Yes, RPG World was the shit when I was a teeanger.

Definitely would, desu

Even the cheapest anime series can stay on model. If you want to be respected, don't go off model.

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OK KO goes out of its way to include unique drawings

i cant believe there are seriously people who consider boring tween stuff like Loud House or Pony Show to be "good animation".

i personally prefer on-model animation but i will take imperfection over sterility every time

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Who cares? All that matters is I can enjoy the show.

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Well, for example. Krillin from Dragonball constantly shifts form. But as long as he's shorter than Goku, no one really cares. There's limits to this of course and it really all depends on how grounded in reality you want your series to feel.

No, no and no

>Do you agree that as long as the character is recognizable then it is on model?
To an extent, yes. Obviously there are plenty of counterpoints with exaggerated or offputting models not used in the context of a joke/dynamic action scene.
>Do you agree that sloppy design and animation makes a cartoon cute and quaint?
To an extent, yes. There were plenty of criticism for Ed Edd n' Eddy's style back when it was airing. Teen Titans also received criticism for its anime-esque reaction faces. I enjoyed both series for its quirks or simply didn't mind, as a kid. The same goes for OK KO, though there were a few instances in early episodes where Mr. Gar just looked fucking wack. I hope they never slip back into that particular style for him.
>Do you like Ian's art style?
Yes.

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I see. Then jerk off to your trash anime in Cred Forums.

Those aren't tween shows. Tween shows are the likes of WITCH

>Yes, Superjail was amazing.

Superjail was not fucking sloppy dude, are you high?

No one is criticizing minor mistakes in flashy dynamic scenes, prick. Almost every example of what people are mad about is from some boring scene where the characters are standing talking to each other but they're inexplicably the complete wrong size or with garbage proportions.

youtube.com/watch?v=72JW4S1_exI
Detailed stuff, but I guess it kinda gives off a 'sloppy' vibe? Maybe I'm wrong.

OP is trying to force bad argument

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but doesn't that just mean they devoted less time for quality checks in what would be perceived as a "boring scene". That happens quite a bit in anime where corners are cut as often as possible until there's a few seconds in an episode devoted to high quality animation.

What do you mean I'm trying to force a bad argument?

>people are mad about is from some boring scene where the characters are standing talking to each other

people are mad about BORING TALKING SCENES?

who the fuck cares about that shit, if anything i want weird drawings during boring scenes to spice things up

>is on model?
nyet
>cute and quaint
nyet
>Do you like Ian's art style?
da

ye. There a thread just before this one. I guess they're still thirsty.

I get what you're trying to say but people were using the word "sloppy" in this context to refer to the SU and OKKO animators being fucking lazy and going off model in dumb ways that make no sense. Superjail had fucking amazing animation that the animators worked hard at and only went off-model purposely for the benefit of a scene.

I would be okay with this kind of stuff if the OK K.O. characters were actually difficult to draw. Western animation characters tend to be made out of basic shapes so that they're easier to draw for the animators over and over again, but somehow the professional "artists" on this show can't get it right.

Fuck off Ian.

No, dipshit, nothing this bad happens in any anime that people actually watch.

if this is the kind of thing that rustles your jimmies you should get a fucking life, who cares about this shit

Yeah man I get what you mean, I want everything to look as shitty and retarded as possible at all times, because that's more fun to watch...??

>Fuck off Ian.

durr if this person disgrees with me it's da creator

you fuck off. I get to like what I like, your opinion sucks

OP here, I didn't even know there was a thread about this before. Do you have a link to it?

>show sucks
so... don't watch it. Yes, it's obviously mismatchy with the proportions, but this show is so blatantly upfront about it I can hardly consider it an issue.

These sorts of shows are clearly in the minority and generally produced by CN, probably as a cost-saving measure. Watch literally anything else outside of CN, my friend.

what the fuck is that image.

>because that's more fun to watch...??
it is tho, unless you genuinely like when conversations look like pic related

I would beg to differ with early Dragon Ball Super and early Sailor Moon Crystal.
>that people actually watch
well there you have it. Nobody talks about the shitty anime and only parade around with only the very best ones. Why can't you treat western animation the same and just jerk off to Disney/Pixar?

that looked pretty cool, does this show have frequent action scenes? or does it consist mostly of talking?

it's action comedy. There's generally at least one okay-ish action scene per epsiode. Why are you in this thread if you haven't seen the show?

Design isn't sloppy, the animation is although by intent which is what makes it good.
Sometimes you really CAN pretend to be retarded.

because it's the first one i saw

yeah theres about one action scene or fight every episode. it's fun and the fights are usually pretty goofy

Wow so the only two choices possible in the world are standing still talking while being on-model or standing still talking while being off-model and looking like fucking dogshit? Could have sworn I watched a lot of cartoons where the talking scenes involved emoting and were interesting to watch without going off-model like it was drawn by a fucking retarded chimpanzee, maybe I'm delusional.

>I would beg to differ with early Dragon Ball Super and early Sailor Moon Crystal.

Shit with an established audience that can be phoned in without affecting ratings doesn't count.

>well there you have it. Nobody talks about the shitty anime and only parade around with only the very best ones. Why can't you treat western animation the same and just jerk off to Disney/Pixar?

So you agree that OKKO is shitty? Wtf are you doing in this thread defending it then?

Technically this thread isn't supposed to be about OK K.O.. Just whether people agree with what was posted in the OP.

NOTHING about Superjail is sloppy. Those people worked hard at animating it and were good at their jobs. You are retarded.

OK KO is my guilty pleasure. I like the show like a retarded puppy who does cute shit. Would you defend your retarded puppy if people constantly walked by and tried to make fun of it?

No I would not defend it in fact I would join them in roasting the stupid thing.

>Could have sworn I watched a lot of cartoons where the talking scenes involved emoting and were interesting to watch without going off-model

Which cartoon has that? could you give a name?

It depends if you show your retarded puppy off in order to entertain people.

Right, just like how the animators on Steven Universe work hard at keeping them on model.
Stop being a butthurt soyboy.

ah, we're resorting to memes and insults now.

top kek, bro. You're a funny guy.

I personally want a mix of the loose, cartoony style mixed with some basic guidelines so that the characters aren't constantly changing, but still not too perfect or exact.

it's only okay when serialized comic books have changes in character models and/or art style

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This right here. I remember when everyone used to make fun of this show for being so bland in its presentation, but once OK KO hit everyone has been shitting on it for going off model. Yes, let's just ignore the fact that the off-model philosphy makes conversation scenes more fun because you literally never know what faces or poses they will make. Likewise, I feel the action scenes are helped because the simple designs and ability to go off model allow the show to throw in a surprising amount of actually decent fight scenes, far more than any other 11 minute comedy I've ever seen.

>calls someone retarded
>surprised when he gets insulted
I can see why you think Superjail is top tier in aesthetics

For the first part- Yes. As long as I know who it's supposed to be, I'll accept it as that character.

As for the second point- No. There's a considerable difference between someone's personal style (which is unavoidable), and being completely lazy at your job. Steven Universe is the most often noted example here, but also stuff like R&S or most other 80s and 90s cartoons like G1, TTA/A!, TMNT '87 or The Real Ghostbusters are also very good examples to this rule. They all have multiple teams behind them (the understandable part) but there's plenty of cases where they drop the fucking ball with the animation quality (the less than acceptable part).

As for point 3- I'm not too familiar with Ian's style, so no comment.

Not him but there's plenty of examples, i say Courage the Cowardly Dog or KND if i have to give any names

>always the same height
Mr. Logic would like to have a word with you

>those frame before the leg passes
Why

Superjail is produced by the same studio as OK KO and has similar artistic sensibilities. Both shows have great animation, Superjail just had 10 episode seasons as opposed to the 40+ episodes per season OK KO has, so naturally they had more time to put effort into their animation. But Superjail was very sloppy. The whole point of the style was that it was supposed to look like doodles from a high schooler's notebook come to life, and OK KO seems to follow a similar idea where it looks like a child's drawings come to life. Both succeed at what they attempt to accomplish artistically.

the action is hit and miss, it honestly depends on who's boarding, but there's a good amount of them

>OK KO seems to follow a similar idea where it looks like a child's drawings come to life.
>looks like a child's drawings
Or in other words Ian's average skills in drawing.

Simple or rough isn't the same as sloppy you retard

I wouldn't lie and say that it isn't retarded to begin with. Just because you like something doesn't mean you have to go around defending its honour, people can have different opinions to you and just in general there's no rule saying that everything you like is good or that you're only allowed to like good things.

Kek

you had this thread yesterday and it was boring then too, just give up already

You do realize that posting the same picture does not make me the same person Mr. Salt?

get a life omelettecounty

You people complaining all the time are probably just jaded adults who forgot what it was like to actually be a kid. He is very clearly a talented artist, and you'd have to be an actual autist to think otherwise. Just because he chooses to focus on simple designs for his television shows doesn't mean he isn't talented. Have you fuckers ever considered that it might be fun for kids, the actual target audience, to see characters that they can be inspired to draw? When I was a kid I used to try to draw more complex characters like Optimus Prime and I sucked so much ass. Must be fun for kids to look at KO and think "I wanna draw that" and even if their drawing looks kind of like ass, it could pass on the show proper. It is encouraging, and frankly I don't see a point in crying about something that is supposed to be charming and fun.

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>who cares if it looks like shit if children can easily draw it
This has to be the most retarded excuse I've ever heard.
>and even if their drawing looks kind of like ass, it could pass on the show proper.
Top fucking kek.

Are to dense or something?
He is right you double nigger

>Are to dense
No, but you clearly are.

same old complaints that nobody cares about.

could any of you guys explain to me how you can stand to look at the work of fanartists that all differs from artist to artist if not being on-model bothers you so much?

>does this show have frequent action scenes?
You get maybe 1-2 seconds of something like in that gif each episode. The rest is just talking and/or "lore" building

Lore building? More like bore building.

Hold up your image is bullshit. Left to right
>Low ground perspective angle shot
>Chapter face page pose standing further behind a tall character with one set of clothes
>Chapter face page pose standing slightly closer to a short character with different clothes
Also that 6 days later thing you posted is in-universe, when in reality it's been nearly a year since the first Namek example you used was drawn. Toriyama's art style was changing and he's had his hands full on non-Dragon Ball material at the time. For you to use that as an example of Krillin being on model would be like comparing Saiyan Saga Goku with Buu Saga Goku. It's loaded and misleading as to what would actually constitute as an on model character.

>Toriyama's art style was changing and he's had his hands full on non-Dragon Ball material at the time.
you mean a change in artist meant a change in style, just like OK KO? HOLY SHIT

>for example. Krillin from Dragonball constantly shifts form. But as long as he's shorter than Goku, no one really cares
If you think the height is all that matters then you're retarded.
kanzenshuu.com/animation-styles/
That article is also super relevant to the OP btw.
>Before we can truly discuss and compare animation quality, we must first discuss the term “on model”. This term is sometimes carelessly thrown around, but what does it truly mean and in what applications is it truly appropriate. Essentially, the term “on model” refers to how accurately the animation reflects the character model designs set forth by the character designer.

>No u
kys

it's not that they're fucking up, it's that the two artists have very different styles: the one on the left (Geneva Hodgson) has a very simplistic cutesy style, while the one on the right (Mira Ong Chua) has a more anime esque style with more "realistic" proportions.
they've been recently reshuffled with another team (Ryann Shannon and Parker Simmons; whose styles didn't really clash with each other as much), resulting in a pair of boarder combos (Geneva/Ryann, Mira/Parker) that clash nowhere nearly as much as Geneva and Mira's did

You first. I'm surprised you haven't died of sodium poisoning yet.

I think it's mainly Danny Ducker's gar that looks whack (and to a lesser extent the way stevie borbolla drew him in We Messed Up, though the way she drew him in let's take a moment was far nicer)

Nice goal posting
Kys retard

>so mad he couldn't even reply properly
Tippest toppest of keks. You've been entertaining m80. Have a nice night.

>Superjail is produced by the same studio as OK KO
look I'm on your side here but no it fucking isn't
what

>Doesn't think a show needs writers
>Show becomes a disjointed narrative mess
>Gets his own show anyway because he's fucking Sugar

Nepotism is great.

well the Story Editors do take care of the overarching pacing and actual episode plots

Shit. For some reason I got it in my head that Titmouse was involved with KO, but I just double checked and I guess I was wrong. My bad. My point still stands.

>It was so boring that it reached bump limit

I dislike him since he never finished RPG World

Ian JQ has had a lot of work under his belt prior to SU: he started out as an inker on Venture Bros, got promoted animation director (as well as serving as an animation director on some weird obscure kids show that a lot of VB art people worked on), then went to CN where he served as a board revisionist on season 2 of adventure time, writer/boarder on Secret Mountain Fort Awesome, storyboard supervisor on season 4-5.1 of AT, all prior to becoming director on SU

The fucking state of Cred Forums
This board is beyond reparable

I get the feeling that a children's show does not want to credit Titmouse as its producer.

Doesn't really mean much when 99.9998% of the show's "plot" is nothing more than reference after reference after reference after reference after reference after anime reference after reference after reference after nostalgia 90's/00's reference after reference.

the confusion probably came from how some crew members (specifically storyboard supervisor Jeremy Polgar and boarder Parker Simmons) were former titmouse animators (and that includes animating on Superjail)
there's a bunch of family shows that do have titmouse involved, like Motorcity and Turbo Fast,

It was a joke about the name.

They did Motorcity on Disney XD and Breadwinners for Nick. No fooling this time, I just checked.

>XD
You should really kill yourself.

Blame tumblrfags coming here to shit things up because they know that they can't freely talk about their cartoons on their own website without free of being reprimanded for saying something out of line

honestly there's two groups on tumblr reprimanding the other

I can't tell if you are a shitposting autist, or a regular autist.

First point, that is hardly a low ground angle shot. At least not to the extent that a 19 year old Krillin should look far and beyond taller than a 24 year old one.
2.This is only used for reference. It'd be a pain in the ass for me to go through every chapter of this series and find how different Krillin's height is.
All I'm saying is that as long as characters are taller/shorter in relation to the others, it's not a big deal.

Yeah, SUfags and KOfags

more SUfags vs SU critical and KOfags vs "ok ko critical" (aka SU critical)

Calm down kiddo. If you really can't tell the difference then you either haven't been here long enough or you're legitimately autistic.
Or you're just a no fun allowed having stick up your ass person.

That sounds about right. Thanks for the artist info!

Gonna be straight up, haven't been on here long enough. This place is filled with people who either know every detail about the thing they are talking about or seem to struggle with even the most basic info on the subject. Rarely in my short time here have I seen an inbetween.

This is the state of Cred Forums

You wanna talk about height lets talk about how vegeta is as tall as goku now

Still butthurt?

Lurk more faggot

If you don't agree you're probably not involved in the industry, just saying...

Actually yes

Even with all the shitty examples in this thread, they are all unremarkably on model
If you can understand what pic related means, you have no reason to criticize janky models

Welcome to the board. Enjoy your stay.

stop using dobson it makes us look bad

Dobson's in the industry, like it or not.

I think you're inflating his status a bit.

One of the character designers on SU once mentioned (defending the inconsistent models when someone called them "unprofessional") once pointed something out:
It's the showrunner's pejorative. If rebecca wanted the show to be more on-model and it ended up looking like it does in real life, it would be unprofessional on the crew's part (and it should be noted that said character designer, Danny Hynes, used to work on Venture Bros, a far more on-model show)

and going by that logic, the overseas animation studio that handled this ep fucked up by making things more on-model

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>Do you agree that as long as the character is recognizable then it is on model?

by that logic, pic related is an on model drawing of pearl.
not saying a character should look static and stiff like Family Guy, but there really should be some serious guidelines and restrictions.

>Do you agree that sloppy design and animation makes a cartoon cute and quaint?

depends on what you mean by "sloppy".

>Do you like Ian's art style?

I haven't actually seen much art of his. but to be honest what very little I've seen of it, I don't care much for it. maybe if I saw some more, better examples I could form a proper opinion.

Hire me.

Pls.

Seeing as Pearl has never looked like that on the show, I'd say there are some serious guidelines and restrictions.

fuck that guy cn hire me instead

>he's on the industry
If this statement is true, so does a lot of other fags complaining at shit on the Internet.

Would Ed, Edd n Eddy be considered on model or off model?

not serious enough. though I admittedly used an extreme example.

Don't you dare fucking cockblock me, bro.

I've literally never seen a single episode. I know I won't like it because of the art style and the lack of appealing characters to me, and I don't want to support the "recognizable is on model" philosphy. I just wanted to let you know that "don't like, don't watch" is not a legitimate counter argument to criticism and anyone that perpetuates it should neck themselves.

I agree that while people are free to have their opinion on the matter that they themselves not being successful artist really takes all the validity out of those opinions

And you need to accept that "I don't like it" is not the same as "this thing is bad". Would I prefer more consistancy? Yes. But it's not enough to drive me away or make me hate the show. It's just sorta one of those things you gotta deal with. Some flaws are deal breakers, some aren't.

>Do you agree that sloppy design and animation makes a cartoon cute and quaint?
To a point yes. It gives the animation a human element and avoids the almost uncanny sterility that can plague misguided computer animation.

>Do you agree that as long as the character is recognizable then it is on model?
If it's recognizable then it's recognizable, but it's not necessarily on model. The minimum level of recognition can be exploited at times for effect, but shouldn't mean every show ever should just have 0 standards because everyone watching kinda sorta knows what the characters are vaguely supposed to look like.

Honestly playing with how recognizable a character can be is totally fine; using that as an excuse is pretty transparently lazy when it's just stuff like proportions being completely different in separate mundane scenes.

>Do you agree that sloppy design and animation makes a cartoon cute and quaint?
Could be interesting if that's the vision that's specifically being committed to, but it's usually inadvertent and that's also obvious. I like the idea of seeing individual boarders' influences etc. but sometimes that can be taken too far, if what they drew was sloppy/noticeably off model in the first place.

>Do you like Ian's art style?
Like the general aesthetic of OK KO but haven't seen much of it.

just get back to work on hero bros already

What is he working on? As in, the present?

Why should I take a show seriously when it obviously can't take itself seriously.

Xiaolin Showdown does everything KO wants to do but successfully. Including the "off-model for humor".

youtube.com/watch?v=8SuRnHxp4pM

>tumblr is the one behind this
Cant handle a male 4channer running a show, huh

>He's really this retarded about where you acquire gifs

Years on this site have taught me that you never argue with relevant facts or defend your case.
As long as you can insinuate that you're better than your opponent and invalidate them you win.

Posting tumblr shit makes you tumblr. One more year and youll be sick of whining about perceived shitposting. Then you'll have a whole THREE years of Cred Forums under your belt!

For a show focused on comedy like KO, yeah sure.

If Avatar had loose designs per episode I'd probably have stopped watching.

People tend to forget how often shows like Avatar and Teen Titans went off model for comedy.

They were both pretty much half comedy, and the comedy episodes were much looser about models.

No.
No.
Eh.

Shit excuse.

How many years were between these drawings? How consistent were they in relation to other drawings of the same character at the same time?

Your argument is as busted as your tiny shriveled cock.

Hey so I just marathoned every episode of OK KO and I definitely fell in love with it.

The characters looking weird from time to time is definitely part of the charm, the cartoon logic of the universe is super fun and fluid, I mean, at one point KO wads up one of his thought bubbles and throws it at a bad guy.

Even if the characters don't always look the same, the dynamic off-model stuff makes it super fun to watch, and everyone is written firmly.

>listening to shows that literally and unironically pander to fursuiters

this philosophy works with shows like OK KO, because you can make jokes with that

it doesnt work with Steven Universe, because there are no jokes involved with the off model stuff, so it just looks unprofessional and amateurish

so you see, ians point of view is too idealistic, it works for some shows but not all of them

But for what it's worth, Steven Universe can actually work well as a cartoonish fun show playing on anime tropes. They've done it a few times in the show's run. A lot of the complaints about sizing are legitimate (if a little pedantic), and SU's been really easy to pick apart between these killer hiatuses, but there IS a fun show in there and it has come out before.

Okay, but that was hilarious. It is literally true that most children have no idea what they were spoofing. That episode was one long (weird) joke for viewers like us and it was very funny.

>But for what it's worth, Steven Universe can actually work well as a cartoonish fun show playing on anime tropes. They've done it a few times in the show's run. A lot of the complaints about sizing are legitimate (if a little pedantic), and SU's been really easy to pick apart between these killer hiatuses, but there IS a fun show in there and it has come out before.

dont get me wrong, i like SU, but its very flawed, its one of the few cartoons that has actually legitimately made me cry, when the show plays its cards right, its easily one of the best animated shows out there, but heres the thing, the show is like 30% kino GOTYAY stuff, and 70% boring badly animated townie filler, and you cannot even skip that shit because it might contain important information for the good stuff

that being said that 30% is actually so good that if i were to say how good the show is on average, id still say is a pretty good show

Yeah, I'm starting to feel that way. I used to feel that way a lot less, but every time a new episode comes out I had 3 months to sit around and think about the last new episode, and all I can remember is how it felt to watch the first big chunk for the first time. Townie episodes didn't used to seem so bad when we the tone of the show was a lot lower energy.

why does every girl Ian draw have the exact same body type?

Well... He IS black.

Honest guess is that in addition to it being easier, the show takes place in a world where everyone is a super-powered fighter. Women just DO have stronger lower body strength and it would make sense that they're all more shaped that way if they're all spending time working out and fighting.

Besides, my man Ian likes to draw the thicc. pls no bully him.

If you dont draw your characters consistently so that other artists can draw on model porn for me to beat my beat, you need to unironically kill yourself

la calamidad biológica...

kek

holy fucking shit Cred Forums please stop, my sides cannot hold much longer

>on model porn
ew

it always makes me laugh when filthy eurocuckould think their opinion on literally ANYTHING matters if the US, china, or russia is involved in ANY way.

you are literally on the sidelines of the world you fucking faggots. please off yourselves with your pussy faggot countries of 100K people, you dont even HAVE armies.

if its not on model you are betraying your waifu

>trash
It's the best animation in the world.

>"BIGGER IS BETTER"
Typical american.

he just changed clothes there.

Yeah. No. Not especially.

Really depends on how techniques are used rather than the techniques themselves. Off model drawing are only bad if they don't serve a purpose or actively distract from the main point of the animation. Idolization of on model drawings often leads to stiff animation, compromising the vision of a piece.

>world politics shit
I just think Steven's an ugly fuck you butthurt spastic. I don't even live in europe.