Global warming

It's just a serious human interference into the functioning of the Earth system. No one knows all the exact details but he uncertainties that exist tend to stack up on the more severe side. This entire phenomenon could soon represent the biggest erosion of biodiversity since an asteroid the size of Mt. Everest hit a Jurassic oil field 66 million years ago (in fact it may already), and could wipe out the possibilities of decent survival with it.

We’re currently in the fastest drop off of sea ice in at least the past 1500 years, and its accelerating. Question, how bad will it have to get before you Republicucks realize your leaders have been lying to you to line their pockets?

>warming
climate change, nigger

If you run the costs for supplanting fossil fuel with nuclear fuel you'll quickly see that we'd have to rob the rothschilds and devote most of the world's gdp to their construction to have even a slim chance of making the deadline.

a warmer earth is a wetter earth which means more of the planet will be able to grow food.

Explain why that's bad. Do you think the water cycle will stop?

this

a warmer earth is also a planet where winds get stronger, moving more clouds further away from the desert and letting it grow
congrats, you just made a light beam stronger AND more focused, leaving more shit in the dark and burning what you point at

you mean they'd move the clouds from the oceans to the deserts, shrinking them?

You think the deserts were deserts millions of years ago when the planet was warmer and wetter? sand doesn't make oil. jungles do.

Obama gave UN billion $ of funds for "global WARming" in hist last days. Let that sink in.

>A warmer earth is a wetter earth.

Yeah, um no. That’s not how it works. You’re probably one of those inbred retards who explain away evolution by pointing out that mokeys still exist.

A warmer earth will be wetter some places, drier other places. The temperatures will be more extreme, both highs, AND lows. Violent weather will be much more common due to the increased temperature differentials. This is already happening...

This, I was studying to become a marine biologist and the more I began looking at actual data and past cycles the more I called bullshit and the more I was shunned. I finished in IT security as I was already very experienced.

>explain away evolution by pointing out that mokeys still exist.
I don't have anything against your family.

>wetter some places
Northern latitudes mostly.

>drier other places
The oceans mostly.

Do you not know how the water cycle works?

Hurricanes are at a many year low. It was normal to have 5-6 a season, now some years go by with 0. The earth will be wetter overall due to increased evaporation rates. Regardless, the increase of CO2 will greatly increase plants/forests

When will they talk about Global Average IQ Cooling?

The world will be average 80 IQ in 30 years

Dont believe the warming or cooling theories completely

Still believe we should adopt cleaner fuels and stop polluting

Plastic and smog are just unaesthetic desu

massive fucking scam. anything that needs sudden research, has charities crop up suddenly like ants, and supporters try to get naysayers in the field fired, then it is 100% a scam by the people trying to drain as much money out of taxpayers and the people as possible.

>Still believe we should adopt cleaner fuels and stop polluting
you can't have your cake and eat it too. How much should the energy per capita be?

POO

"That's not because of human influence, that's just nature, consensus proves it"

because all that extra "wetness" you fucking retard, will go into raising sea levels and engulfing a shit ton land which we use to grow food and shit nigger.

It's very true. How they handle it is however bs. Also lol at asking this on pol the board of retards

Naturally as products age they become more efficient and clean. Look at diesel engines now, you cant even tell them apart from gas unless its cold and idling.

rain comes from oceans and oceans evaporate more when they get warmer. Surely you see how that works?

also when did reddit start to be skeptical of global warming? get your head out of your ass.

Who grows food on a beach? Id say at least 99% of our food is grown way inland.

Global warming hysteria was never about fixing the environment, it was about democrats / greens getting people out to vote.

If they were truly trying to fix the environment, they would argue from a conservative position of energy security.

Global warming is a scam. Global cooling is true and will lead us into a mini ice-age that will begin ca 2020.

What if I told you all planets eventually get absorbed into the sun? That we are all slowly moving toward the sun, one planet at a time?

How about this theory:
-planets are slowly moving towards the sun and one by one are gradually absorbed by the sun; breaking all elements down to hydrogen providing fuel for more fusion reactions
-new planets slowly form on the outside periphery of the solar system, which would explain Pluto's icelike state
-as planets move toward the sun, and approach optimal temperature, lifeforms specific to that planet then begin to grow.

This theory makes more since, because then each solar system would be a continuous, renewable cycle.

Right... Entirely unlike the petroleum industry that gets billions in corporate welfare annually. They’ve got no incentive at all to push a false natrative huh?

I'd call you all scrubs but they're important plants, and you're all degenerates. Excluding your excess carbon output that is. Go back to driving your diesel engines and burning plastic with your hairspray flamethrowers. I'll be living it up in my solar powered TeePee with my compost mattress.

>Is it true, or a scam?
It is a theory, because keeps evolving from time to time. Most modes aren't very accurate. People who make predictions tell it themselfs, since global weather and climate is one of the hardest fields of science .The problem is amass media reacts too emotionaly .
>Shoud be afraid
Yes, since most of economical giants are placed on the coast .
>What can I do ?
If you are really interested in the topic, you can help people who do scince of invest your money in companies which make filters and ecologucaly pure energy.

Climate changes constantly. It always has. They don't know what they are blabbing about. Or do you really think the air is dirtier now than it was during major volcanic eruptions or the industrial revolution?

>if it's real they would be pushing nuclear power

True this.

That chat is not 100% complete.

If its based on the Ice Cores samples from Lake Vostok it only dates to about ≃1950.

Granted the temperature levels havent reached the maximums of previus interglacial periods, but CO2 ppm never surpassed 300 during those samples and nowadays we are over 400.

Granted, its proven that C02 levels arent directly related to global temperatures, but such high C02 levels are really bad anyways since the ammount absorbed by the oceans gets higher turning the water into carbonic acid and destroying coral reef and complete ecosystems.

Scam
youtube.com/watch?v=2JK8oSN8VPk

I don't know, since tomorrow it's supposed to be 82 degrees in Ohio in the middle of winter. Second year in a row of this happening, and this was unheard of even 10-15 years ago.

Of course sir, because those in charge know that humanity needs a good crisis.

It's amazing that since the 70s we've had this environmental bollocks, yes, we are 'changing' our environment, but when you consider that for supposed 'billions of years' species have been living and dying, and that 99% of all species that have ever lived are extinct, our impact in the short time we have been industrialized is negligible.

Just think about it, and if you are concerned at our impact, just get in a plane and see how small the human race still is.

If the entire earth was covered in concrete we might have an impact. But releasing Co2 that plants breathe into the atmosphere is not causing issues.

The biggest issues we have on earth is actually how each nation is going to cope with the encroachment of globalism into their daily lives, amazingly the apparent solution to 'climate change' is indeed globalism ;)

Wonderful

yes just like the dinosaurs who lived on a warmer, wetter earth, lush forests, apparently, never hear much about deserts. Also way more oxygen, so things grew bigger.

Just accept it, nothing is wrong, all is good, and it's a scam for more bucks.

it's almost like the planet gets gradually warmer and then gradually cooler and continues in cycles

but for some reason we call one end of the cycle ""Global Warming"" and the other end ""Global Cooling"" and panic like fucking crazy over it

>really makes you think

It's a non issue that will correct on its own. If true shit becomes less hospital, a lot of people die, shit balances.
Which is why I don't the overlap with climate fearing and gun banning lefties. They think humans are the problem then cry and whine when a couple of them die. Is it because they want more to die quicker and only government can accomplish that?
Either mankind is a scourge on the planet or its not. You can't bitch about rats in the attic while simultaneously feeding them. Well, you could. You'd just be an irrational hypocritical dickhead.

is this supposed to be 3 people eating each others shit?

>But releasing Co2 that plants breathe into the atmosphere is not causing issues.

It is when you couple it with heavy deforestation reducing the ammount of plants that transform that C02.

In the last 2.6 million years earth never surpassed 300ppm atmospheric C02 and we went from ≃260 to over 400 ppm in the last 50 years. Not just because carbon emissions, but mainly because of heavy deforestation.

The effects of our cooling planet can already be seen, crop losses, serious influenza pandemic cause by a very cold winter just no name a few effects.

no one is fucking refuting that shit, you fucking lunatic. this is why those fucks keep getting away with scamming people, is because complete motherfuckers like you deflect from the scammers

Don't waste nutrients, man

scam. 100% political tool.

at the same time human civilization is driving us towards an eco catastrophe as well, that's clear. but anyone who claims they understand it just wants your money/funding. there are no solutions in flying a bunch of "top scientists" and other redditors to some european city on big planes to discuss things. it's a joke. there is no saving the earth through the system. the real solution is simple: stop consuming and living in cities. if not the earth will eventually solve the man problem herself with an eco catastrophe, super virus, next ice age..

"the climate change", is a good litmus test on how brainwashed someone is.

>muh 97% of scientists

pic related is the truth
if you must know

The Sun determines the Earth's temperature. Can we change the sun?

Yes, global cooling is true. But the mini "ice age" as you call it is still far away.

Milankovitch cycles are roughly made of 10k-15k years of interglacial warm periods and 85k-90k of cold glacial perdiods, and it has been that way for the past 2.6m years.

We could still be approximately 2000 years away from the next glacial perdiod.

Many moons ago, when I was a wee lad...

I had a science teacher (obviously red pilled as fuck) who told us wee tykes a story.

There was a village with a crazy shaman, who after years of banging rocks together and lining up sticks, learned how seasons worked. He hatched a plan. He went before the tribal elders and demanded offerings of chickens, in order to appease the gods, or they would blot out the sun.
The elders and villages mocked him, as he was just the crazy shaman.
However, slowly, the days began getting shorter. Our shaman made a point of making sure everyone noticed. The days got cooler, and even shorter still. Finally a panic set in amongst the tribe, they finally relented and began offering the Shaman their chickens.

Today kids we know this as winter, I know it, you know it. But our villagers didnt. Only that shaman did, and he ate well that winter. So do your homework and remember, knowledge is power.

This was during just before the "Ozone" scare... and this story stuck with me forever.

So after the ozone bullshit, they started the global warming scam, I just chuckled.

1000ad "Medieval warm period". Just about 500 years later, they have the "little ice age". now here we are, just about 500 years later... almost as if it's a cycle huh?

I dunno

>because those in charge know that humanity needs a good crisis.
That's what I'm saying. It's for votes. It has one of the highest disparities of liberal vs conservative concern in the US.

A lot of liberals are nihilist and they don't really care about any issues (because they are so insulated to begin with). Global warming gets them off their asses because they think the world will end if they don't "vote their conscience".

>stop consuming and living in cities

The only real solution is stop eating cattle, stop heavy deforestation, plant trees and produce many as many artificial photosintesis machines as possible.

But its easier to cry "muh global warming" to clear your consciente and then do nothing about it afterwads.

I bet my balls 99.99% of the faggots that complain about it arent willing to give up meat, buy wooden furniture and never planted a tree in their fucking lives.

Nobody wants to talk about Global Roundening. The earth is becoming more round, and at some point will be nearly spherical.

humans have already subjected ~40% of the Earth surface to wholesale transformation (which is larger than the change that resulted from the termination of the last glacial cycle; ~30%), they appropriate at least 25% of net primary production of the entire planet for themselves. The current exchanges of animals due to human transportation is unique since the rifting of the Pangean supercontinent on land and likely has no geologic analogue at all in the ocean. Wild animals only make up around 5% of vertebrate biomass and humans outpace all other natural predators as an unprecedent global superpredator.

This has cascading effects on the major biogeochemical cycles of the planet, such as the carbon cycle (currently undergoing the fastest perturbation since at least 66 million years), the nitrogen cycle (currently undergoing the largest perturbation since at least 2.5 billion years) or ocean chemistry (currently undergoing the fastest change since at least 300 million years).

All of this could very well provoke sudden shifts or collapses of parts of the biosphere and is the reason why ecologists, paleontologists and Earth system scientists are already talking about a "sixth mass extinction" and the "Anthropocene defaunation".

People can talk all they like about how insignificant the human race is - if it makes you feel better. But this has absolutely no relationship with what is going on in the real world.

>co2 increase = plankton increase = oxygen increase.

C02 increase > Oceans absorb it > get more acidic > plankton dies

And yes, carbon emissions from humans are notable.

Explain why we are at over 400 atmospheric ppm when in the last 2.6m years it never surpassed the 290 ppm.

Look at Vostok ice core samples if you want to check historic C02 ppms and compare it to the ppm increase in the last 40 years.

kek, this is a good story. Guess he witnessed the global cooling hysteria in the 70s.

I almost forgot about the ozone scare, funny we never hear about that anymore when it used to be in the news constantly.

>how would you like your climate to be
>just fuck my shit up

if ice caps melted fully there wouldn't be much left except mountains and very large hills.

At it's projected course, eventually, everything light green to dark green will be flooded.

Try growing enough food then.

then again actually... most people would be dead by then so quid pro quo in a way.

Shitty weather isn't so great for plants either especially crops you fucking idiot.

> the moon is flat

Coral bleaching is only happening in areas of the reef open to public viewings which makes me believe it's more to do with people polluting the water than the levels of co2 in the water.
People ironically destroying what they love.

this. i'm not familiar with the PBS interview, though.

fwiw, for those wanting to read the only decent science magazine left (and maybe not for much longer), give American Scientist a looksee.

You can tell how fake it is by people who correct your 'warming' for 'climate change'.
It's all fake as fuck. I'd rather believe in geoengineering than this. If this climate is really billions years old and it can be completely changed in 200 years unintentionally then I have no problem believing you can change it on purpose, especially if you exactly know how to do it. Everything to support your thesis and enslave free people.
Gun debate/control - organize a mass shooting.
Climate change debate - cause a flood or make one place a desert. At least that's how I see it

Yes its part of a cycle and if its effects are like the ones during the previous cycle alot of people are going to starve.

actually, jungles make coal. much of the oil may actually be produced by abiotic processes.

of course it's more polluted than during (after) the industrial revolution

if you have ever kept coral in an aquarium, you know that they need very clean, nutrient poor water. where they don't thrive is near human sewage dumps.

People starve every day finbro.

It wont be the end of the world.

But you know how those religious fanatics are... they need their doomsday stories. And if you know the cycles, and can make some scratch off the hysteria, good on you.

But Im'ma keep my chickens.

Urbanization has already engulfed much of the shit ton of land near sea level that used to grow food.

You know, it's posts like this that really highlight how ridiculous this whole climate discussion is. Stop trying to fucking control everything you fucking commie, and just learn to accept thag you can't change every single aspect of life, some things just are, and that's okay

That says "very important." You can bet the same amount or more people put important. Not really a big deal. Need to see the percentage of Not important

>You can tell how fake it is by people who correct your 'warming' for 'climate change'.

Because people were too fucking dumb to understand an overall temperature raise doesn't mean an even temperature raise all over.

Massive disruptions in weather pattern is what's expected, that includes some regions getting colder than usual. Both freak heatwaves that torch the tundra and freak cold waves sending snow to Texas come from the polar jetstreams being fucked up from heating. You can look this up for yourself. Every time it snows in Texas wankers like you say nothing's warming, every time Russian forests are torched the other side say we'll be cooked inside 10 years.

Climate change is real, it's very much a fact, our climate has changed continually throughout the history of the planet. Man-made climate change to the degree that these government-paid shill scientists promote is where the BS starts the enter the equation.

Fuck sake they stopped calling it global warming specifically and climate change now for a reason

It's literally all just an excuse for a carbon tax cash grab nothing more nothing less

Fuck sake if global warming was actually real I'd actually want it to happen. It's too fucking cold here

Sauce for their global cooling claim?

Well considering its India they could start by enacting even 80s American levels of pollution control

You lying faggots said there would be no ice in the Arctic in the summers by now. That hasn't come to pass. Also the ice levels in Antarctica are growing you stupid chicken little faggot.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/
God damn I hate you brainwashed morons trying to fuck my life up over the original sin of being born aka carbon footprint. You threw out God but you kept all the cuck parts of religion. The absolute state of you Gaia worshipping fools.

realclimatescience.org
or something like that

John Caseys book "Dark Winter" makes a good case for a cooling planet, in the book he has included many references to scientists around the world that have come to the same or similar conclusions.

The states are not the right sample and probably not available for free.

Think college students, what gets them off their ass to vote? They are not in the real world or face real problems like jobs or crime, so concerns are invented FOR them. Actually last election it was stuff like Black Lives Matter. Global warming has taken more of a back seat but there are still a fair number who vote just to prevent an oncoming apocalypse.

This isn't stats but look up stuff like this, students have much different concerns than real people.
freshu.io/diana-pope/college-students-share-what-political-issues-matter-the-most-to-them

I predict a period of Hemispheric Warming this spring.

*stats not states

It's real, but the elite are the one's with the power to bring authentic change, yet they don't want to make the sacrifices. So instead they pursue policies that screw the working class. They are okay with some environmental chaos, as long as they can herd the sheep.

you dont need no fucking sauce

>People starve every day finbro.
True but combining starvation and cold weather results in pandemics. The body of a cold starving human being cannot fight off the diseases very well.
>It wont be the end of the world.
You are right but many people will die, its a eugenicists wet dream.
See what happened during previous cycles:
history.com/news/little-ice-age-big-consequences

you should have had a taste the last summer, we were burning to a crisp between july and august

Maybe you just saw more nigerians?

why are you even talking about this as if it was a real possibility? Even if you disbelief all the instruments (satellites, terrestrial temperature stations, buoys; 100% of which show warming), you'd still have to explain away accelerating sea level rise, rising specific humidity, decreasing sea ice area (and volume), accelerating ice sheet mass loss rates, rising ocean heat content etc...

yes i did, the heat was such high they preferred to drown in the Ionian instead of being rescued as usual

why do you believe in these numbers?

even if they represent something, how do you know it's the important thing?

>why do you believe in these numbers?
because they tell a physically and internally consistent story. If a single temperature dataset would be the only thing we could go on, then you would have some point. However, not only are there multiple datasets for most of these parameters (all of which use slightly different methodologies, correction, reanalysis, etc.) and get indistinguishable results (for example, for surface temperature there is NASA Goddard institute for space studies, NOAA, the Hadley Center, Berkeley Earth, Copernicus/ECMWF and Cowtan&Wey), but completely independent observations of, say, rising sea levels are consistent with those measurements and therefore increase confidence in their fidelity.

I looked at history, which shows that there are warming and cooling cycles regardless of human activity, even though human activity does have an effect on the worlds temperature.

I have two questions for you:
(a) in your mind, what does this prove
(b) do you think climatologists are unaware of pre-human climate changes?

You are correct that there are glacial and interglacial periods, on which CO2 and temperature levels vary.

But nowadays we are seeing record levels of C02 thanks to deforestation and carbon emissions.

C02 levels are 33% higher than they have ever been in the last 2.6m years and we got to those levels in less than 60 years.

>What if I told you all planets eventually get absorbed into the sun? That we are all slowly moving toward the sun, one planet at a time?
Based on what? Just because we're in orbit being massively influenced by the sun's gravity? The moon orbits Earth and is massively influenced by it's gravity, and is slowly moving away from us. Besides even if we were being slowly pulled into the sun, its happening on such a grand scale of time that we wouldn't be seeing climate change in the time that we've been able to measure and record climate.
It also doesn't really explain why we have had intervals of hot and cold in the past, and probably will have more fluctuations in the future.
>This theory makes more since
>since
lol no.

>scam
Total. Fucking. Scam.

co2 levels are definitely because of humans, but it's still so small it's measured in PPM and any effect it has had on temperature is almost too small to measure. Correlation doesn't mean causation and effects on temperature are based on weather (+ off earth factors) simulations, something well known to be incredibly difficult to do and incredibly easy to fudge.

Oh look. Pseudo-science packaged as pop-science for the undeducated Cred Forumslack to support his retarded view that "global warming" is a scam.

Call me when the PPM of CO2 are back to normal pre-human levels.

87% of total possible CO2 greenhouse effect has already been reached.

I didnt say C02 was related to temperature.

Historically C02 increases dont precede temperature rises but procede them.

Such high C02 levels are dangerous not because of temperature changes, but because all that extra C02 gets absorbed by the ocean and when water mixes with C02 it turns into carbonic acid, making the oceans more acidic.

Also forgot to mention how idiot non scientists abuse anecdotal evidence like hurricane harvey.

It wasn't a big hurricane, it was just a random chance that it hovered over over houston and dropped 5 feet of water. Or the one that randomly hit some carribean islands pretty hard. Hurricanes are normal but when they randomly hit a city, normies cry global wahming.

>funny we never hear about that anymore when it used to be in the news constantly
>expecting the news to actually update on previous stories

Even then, what'd there be to report?
>since the usage of CFC has been reduced, the antarctic ozone layer has been thickening
>expected to be back to pre-CFC levels within a few decades
It's barely a five-minute slip.

(a) That natural cycles exist, regardless of human activity.
(b) No, but I think many have been corrupted by money or have been chosen to study GW because of their lack of integrity.

BTW, the main reason for the increase in temperature isnt C02 emissions but Methane emissions from cattle.

Methane is roughly 30x more potent than C02 and Cows produce a shit ton of it and there are around 1.5 billion cows in the world.

Methane isn't as big of a deal as it seems because it chemically decomposes to CO2 and water relatively quickly, which is why hundreds of millions of years of farts haven't filled up the atmosphere

Then I guess ocean organisms will have to evolve. Once it starts affecting industries, people will have motivation to respond to it, but knowing how quickly evolution works with such an enormous population, I have my doubts.

Al gore poisoned the well with his global warming talk.

Yes, but what if you had those hundreds of millions of years of farts happen over a period of 100 years.

It would accumulate faster than it can decompose.

The ammount of cattle in the world right now is unprecedented since its population was artificially increased.

true without a doubt. it’s laughable that enviromental protection is a left/right political issue. something as basic as protecting the enviroment at least to some extent and implementing scientific research into policy should be absolutely unaffected by politics. and it’s sad that Cred Forums denies climate change just because of it being perceived as a left wing liberal issue.

really makes you think how Cred Forums claims to hate identity politics and at the same time gets cucked by them constantly

Evolution takes thousands of years, ocean species would die off faster than they can evolve given the current trend.

Sure, sounds good.

>quid pro quo in a way.

Want to know how I know you're retarded?

It has a half life of ten years. You would need to exponentially increase the amount of cows forever for methane to accumulate.

I dont deny climate change, the opposite actually.

that cycles or quasi-episodic changes exist in Earth history has been known for quite a while now and (paleo)climatologists are the ones who found that out in the very first place.

The big difference is that the prominent large-amplitude cycles have periods that are several orders of magnitude larger than the current trajectories. For example, there is the greenhouse-icehouse variability (modulated by tectonics) or the G-IG cycle (modulated by orbital configuration), which take place on multi-million year and multi-millennial timescales, respectively. Furthermore, greenhouse gases are critically important in all of those.

If currently observed trends are all part of a natural (meaning non-anthropogenic) cycle, you would have to provide (1) evidence of this cycle being in operation in the past and (2) a plausible mechanism that drives this cycle. I'm not aware of any scholarly literature that supports either, but maybe you can be kind enough to provide it?

Listen to leaf astronaut Chris Hadfield's point on it. The earth will be fucking fine (there is no sense of how much humans are responsible for the temp uptick); the planet has gone through meteor strikes and fucking ice ages and it was fine. If it becomes more inhospitable to modern species, they will adapt over evolutionary time or other species will take their places. As far as homo sapiens, I have no problem if some third world, diseased, ridden shithole slides into the ocean once in a while. The world will be a better place for it

>BTW, the main reason for the increase in temperature isnt C02 emissions but Methane emissions from cattle.

Prove it. I am fully aware of the greenhouse effect, but the earth isn't a static greenhouse, there are too many factors to even list here.

87% of total possible CO2 warming has already been reached. Because the light from the earth which the gas can absorb is limited, so to is greenhouse effect, it is not linear or exponential to gas concentration, but logarythmic. You would know this if you knew the first thing about spectroscopy and weren't just a mindless dophomoric sheep.

>Evolution takes thousands of years
No it doesn't.
youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8

>because they tell a physically and internally consistent story.

it's not the whole story. the problem is you have no idea if it's half the story or 1% of the story. it could be mostly meaningless in the big picture.

bad science is worse than blatant misinformation.

pH changes can not be linearly sustained by linear introduction of acid, as the measure is an inverse log

Last year humans produced 38.2 billion tons of C02.

Cows produce on average 100kg of Methane per year, there are 1.5 billion cows in the world.
Last year cows produced 150 billion tons of Methane.

Methane is 30x more effective than C02 when keeping heat trapped.

150 x 30 = 4500

Cows, last year produced the equivalent of 4500 billion tons C02 in methane when it comes to greenhose gasses, while humans produced 38.2 billion tons.

if it was true then the elites would cull asian/african/mexican total population and reduced to 50 million. this frees up vast amounts of resources, wealth, and alleviates the burden caused by overpopulation thus exponentially increasing efficiency.

since the elites are importing billions of turd worlder breeders, to the west, while culling whites instead of culling them, then global warming is a scam to reduce whites

you could say that about all of the natural sciences. You're basically giving yourself a carde blanche to dismiss anything that isn't convenient.

If you think that THIS is how science should operate, I leave you to it. I think you should come back when you actually have physical evidence to point to.

A kg is a kilogram, not a ton, moron.

This. We should love the land regardless of whether or not it will kill us if we don't.

Partly cause the green party is a FUCKING JOKE.

Explain to me why they are pro immigration? They want to take 3rd worlders (low per capita resources) into 1st world countries (high per capita resources), thereby increasing overall carbon emissions, and with a long term effect of lowering IQ.

They are against nuclear.

These people are fucking insane. Fuck greens, they clearly don't give a fuck about the environment.

this is dumb. If calculating the budgets of the carbon cycle would be as easy as your first-grade multiplication exercise, there would be no need for scientific journals.

Yes, but you are supposed to correct the math proving me right at the same time.

We already had the solution most of a century ago, nuclear, but greenie weenies refuse to allow it

Global cooling is far more dangerous.

100kg = .1 tons
.1 tons × 1.5 billion cows = .15 billion tons of methane
.15 billion tons x 30 = 4.5 billion tons of CO2
Far less than CO2 output, and it quickly decays
Not that CO2 matters much either, diminishing returns being what it is

A science that can't be invalidated is not science at all. When it got hot it's global warming, When it get's cold its Climate Change. In the end you are a sinner for not giving your money to brown people.

>retarded article about science means science is retarded
just stop

Ocean is a base not an acid. When something becomes less base its not becoming more acidic.

Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030, look into it idiot. Lurk before posting basic bitch threads.
SAGE

High school kids on Cred Forums acting like they have any understanding of science. Pfffft.

And yet multiple organisms contiue to adapt to us all the time. Really activates my almonds. I think the argument that humans will not in the long term, provide a clear contribution to the maintenance of biological diverstiy, is silly.

We are in a period of growth. We grown, and stabilize and grow. The time to burn is now, the time to cultivate comes later.

Fascinating...

may be real, but just another distraction to keep the eyes off of the rampant pedophilia in Hollywood and political elite circles.

by all means eat it up while more kids' lives are being ruined and they will never grow up to be normal and may even end up shooting up your school because the abuse messed them up so bad

>what is the Flynn effect

Don't mock me Kraut your entire civilization is based on the cycle of consumption and production.

I'm a grad student in molecular biology, you are a sophomoric sheep who's intellectual experience is skimming "I fucking love science" tier popsci articles

Oil is made by algae. Dead algae mixed with mud turns into oil (after a few milion years).

I would literally be willing to meet them half way and invest in sustainables like hydroelectric and methane. But I'm just a silly conservative retard.

>you could say that about all of the natural sciences.

empiricism is fine as long as we understand we don't really know almost anything about the global climate yet. it's too complicated. be very skeptical, these are powerful discourses taking places, a lot of agendas both ways.

when that skepticism is forgot, "climate change" becomes a political tool to use on the masses. it's very convenient.

>If you think that THIS is how science should operate, I leave you to it. I think you should come back when you actually have physical evidence to point to.

lol.

prove that man-made climate change is real and those graphs you presented aren't just a part of a larger variance. i'm waiting.

>muh consensus

yeah I'm sure africans will be super smart 50 years from now.

The Oxygen hike was from wood not being able to be broken down for millions of years.

Yes, its related to cycles in solar activity.
See:
A history of solar activity over millennia By Usoskin

Low solar activity, few sunspots = lower temperatures.

Low solar activity also correlates with volcanic outbreaks which can blanket the atmosphere with particles that block solar rays causing further cooling.

See:
Explosive volcanic eruptions triggered by cosmic rays: Volcano as a bubble chamber By Ebisuzaki, Miyahara, Kataoka, Sato and Ishimine.

That's why they call it "climate change" now... they no longer have to make meaningful predictions of any sort and whatever "bad" that happens is the result of human activity.

Tfw niggers are getting smarter

Anyone honestly WANT the world to warm up? An earth with polar icecaps is actually not the norm on the geologic scale. Antarctica used to have dense forests and shit with dinosaurs roaming around even in perpetual winter darkness at the south pole.

I mean, think about all the land that would open up for our access if the earth were as warm as it used to be. All that land that would become fertile in places like canada, russia, and antarctica. Hell fucking yeah. And the places that would be negatively impacted by theoretical warming would be where all the shitskins live.

Who knows.

Even raised under ideal conditions, niggers are dumb.

I dont know why solar cycles exist though, just that they do.

the change in Earth's energy budget can be directly attributed to increases in GHG concentration (which are known to be of anthropogenic origin because of (i) its isotopic signature (ii) carbon mass budget analysis and (iii) the unprecedently fast injection rate as well as the suggestive point of inflection).
See nature.com/articles/nature14240

you can discard solar activity as the driver for current global warming because
(a) solar irradiance can be measured directly with satellite heliophysics missions (they show that irradiance peaked in the 1950s and is in slow decline ever since)
(b) it is inconsistent with the spatial characteristics of the warming. Solar activity would result in a large equatorial warming and a weaker warming at the high latitudes. Actual observations show that the Arctic is the fastest warming part of the planet, congruent to modelled responses to a GHG forcing.
(c) it is inconsistent with the temporal characteristics of the warming. Solar activity would result in a diurnal asymmetry of faster day-time warming and slower night-time warming. Again, observations show the opposite. Additionally, if solar effect were that large on the decadal timescale, there would be a prominent 11-year signal in the temperature record (there isn't).

>think about all the land that would open up for our access if the earth were as warm as it used to be. All that land that would become fertile in places like canada,
ive been telling the leafs this for years

for you maybe.
For equatorian regions, global cooling will turn them into a paradise

The absolute hubris of mankind. Every time a species goes extinct they think it could only have been possible through their human intervention, as if they're a god and nothing happens in their absense.

lol, check your meme flag user then answer again

>equatorian regions
More like candidates for WW3 warzones.

based

>peddling the RCP8.5 bullshit

You're either a fucking liar or a rather stupid person after all.

>the change in Earth's energy budget can be directly attributed to increases in GHG concentration

just because you can prove one human-made increase in a value doesn't mean anything. not even if the sample size is sufficient and you can conclusively link it to something visible in the real world.

it could in the end be a meaningless part of the puzzle. we are dealing with an infinitely complex system of interdependencies. you are obsessing over a few man-measured values. you're partaking in bad science.

More importantly he ignores that even if his proposed mechanism is 100% correct, CO2 warming capacity is already nearly completely met.

Never forget

the greatest thing about liberals is the way they insult you then go on to say something stupid as fuck

And the polar ice caps would melt!!!11!

what's wrong with it?

I mean it's pretty obvious what's going on here but I'll let anyone who reads this decide fro themselves if a statistically significant change in the radiative balance of the planet (which is what ultimately determines surface temperature) by anthropogenic change in atmospheric composition is "meaningless" to the question of human contribution to global warming.

Never forget

Even if it were meaningful, the nature of the mechanism means that further significant CO2 warming is not possible

Never forget!

It's a scam.
The real threat is that we are on the verge of the next ice age.

hahahahahaha there are people on Cred Forums who actually believe in human made climate change hahahahahaha

That's just not correct. It would be true to say that the forcing by CO2 is proportional to the natural log of the atmospheric concentration of CO2, but that would be omitting crucial climate feedbacks. For example, water vapor partial pressure (the single biggest feedback in the climate system) increases exponentially with temperature according to Clausius-Clapeyron, which can compensate the band saturation effect of CO2.

Or to put it in other words: the end result of the effect you're referring to is that continued doublings of [CO2] impose (roughly) the same forcing on the energy budget - as opposed to no forcing at all, which is what you're claiming.

Don't u dare forget

Top kek

>It's almost as if there is a historic pattern of warming and cooling in our climate, and it was only in modern history that "scientist" sought to capitalize it

This is what I believe too. What I dont understand is why governments around the world arent sounding the alarm so that people can prepare, literally not one country on the planet is doing it. I wonder if they really just want to cull the human population?

It's very rare to get a White Christmas in general

The earth was also regulary hit by larger meteorites, no need to worry about it.

All it takes is one volcanic eruption or solar deviation and we're back to another ice age.

>non-scientists say wrong stuff
good job
this one I don't even understand. It's still the consensus view today that there is no plausible way for human activity to bring about a runaway greenhouse effect, so why is this presented as damning evidence here?

The earth is warning!
> coldest winter in recent memory happens
That's cause the earth is cooling!

Why do people still listen to these retards?

it's just a scam so they can eventually tax everything in existence

What about the merchants of doubt? Everybody here is afraid to talk about it

Hold up... Source please. Abiotic means we could find oil on Mars! Quick boys fire up the Orbital drop troopers.

BUT THE SCIENCE WAS ALREADY SETTLED!
YOU CAN'T JUST RESETTLE A SETTLED SCIENCE REEEEEEEEE!

Because Regulators have set the cost barrier so ridiculusly high.

Shill begone

I'm the farthest thing from a shill. I legit have never seen a rebuttal to it...

I honestly don't know. We're buried in "evidence" from both sides and it makes it very difficult to separate the truth from fiction. One thing I am sure of is that even if it does exist, it isn't nearly as massive a threat as they make it seem. Alarmists would have us destroy the economy to prevent something that would likely make very few changes over centuries.

delet this

If the water vapor feedback forcing effect were meaningful, we would already be dead.

Rebuttal to what? Its true that big business pays shills to promote them or their products and attack and defame their detractors.

Rebuttal to their claim that you're all being tricked by actual shill scientists into believing global warming/climate change is not occurring. Are you pretending to be retarded?

It's a true scam

its a Jewish tax farming scam.

prior to getting into GW tax, Al Gore set the record for Defense Contractor donations, mostly from the atom bomb factories in his state.

So he is still trying to return Whites, and only Whites, to the Stone Age.

Remember when the most common theme of all sci-fi was runaway OVER POPULATION?

What happened to all that?

If its "man made climate change"?

all GW data stops a mere 10,000yrs ago.

if you look at all the data before that it shows we are at near record low CO2, and its normally about 5-10x higher.

human overpopulation (read Niggers) and mass extinction due to loss of habitat is a real issue.

I dont deny climate change or global warming, im saying that the earth is cooling and that its part of a natural cycle.

Virtually all western natural resources-based industries have accepted climate change as fact and are adjusting their practices and risk analyses accordingly.

Neckbeards and scientific illiterates can refute it all they want, but the fact is, big business is beyond this part of the game. Foresters are projecting tree growth and yield, species ranges, and pathogen interaction forecasts and planting /managing accordingly. Same with Big Agri (eg Monsanto, Pioneer etc).

I hope its not true, im not a nigger so i hate heat

Nothing ever happens.

t.larper brainlet

See:
rew-online.com/2018/01/29/goldman-sachs-dh-property-back-tallest-east-coasts-tallest-logistics-hub-red-hook/

Goldman Sachs losing money ever.

I'm not sure what the relevance of this article is to what I said...

worst case, use some big nukes to blow dust clouds off the Moon and shade the Earth for a bit.

simple, safe, cheap

Its in NY near the sea, GS wouldnt commit to a project like that if sea levels would being rising fast.

Yeah i meant to add man made. Thats just their claim and i wanted to see pol btfo these Jews but they don't. Maybe they can't.

Oh, we're back to global cooling, hey whatever it takes to keep the narrative going despite what is happening naturally.

BS, they just say they are.

not do anything else would be like disputing Communism in Cuba.

OK, they are projecting GW and increased CO2. Because unlike the GW Jew tax scam, they secretly look at data beyond a mere 10,000yrs BC. These are OIL PEOPLE, they think in terms of 100s of millions of years.

I see, that is a good point.

However, the forest industry is more likely to be conservative in their management strategies and forecasts than property managers or banks. The nature of forestry is long-term and potentially high risk, for example rotation ages of 60+ years in N. America. Not to mention it isn't exactly a high profit margin.

They aren't going to include climate change in their workflow simply to appease the left or for fun. There are plenty of examples of forest diseases expanding in severity and range unequivocally due to a changing climate (warmer winters and wetter springs). Tree species and genotypes are being planted outside their normal range because we know we can improve growth and yield by following climate forecasts accordingly.

It may or may not be happening, but for sure it is not caused by human beings.

>Is it true, or a scam?
A scam
Sun is out
>global warming
Moon is up
>Global cooling
Realize both exists
>CLIMATE CHANGE

No matter what you choose a scam is a scam. The left is so retarded and falls for everything anyone not left is literally a fucking prodigy at this point.

Answer lies in physics. Earth is closed system in a sense that it can only dissipate heat via radiation and inside within atmosphere there are both radiation and convection. Sun blasts shit ton of energy to earth, most of it gets reflected and isn't absorbed due there isn't enough capacity to absorb it. Now insert CO2 and methane, both are lot better at absorbing heat than other atmospheric gasses. So it's basic sense more there are those, more heat gets absorbed and stays in system.

What is happening currently is that we have reached limit where atmosphere contains so much heat that it needs to go somewhere but it doesn't radiate, but is transferred via convection. Now where is it going? Answer there is ice, this is why polar ice and inland glaciers are now melting. Now when ice melts, it uses energy, meaning it cools air, more ice melts more atmosphere cools. that energy is still within system. Also this means temperature is shit way to gauge warming as now lot of cool air starts to move and changes air currents from normal, causing cold streams to areas that may had next to no cold air before.

Also solar cycles are fuck nothing worth in this as even during low activity sun still blasts away lot of radiation to our direction, only difference is that during high activity as there is even more radiation then even sub-optimal system can heat up.before rest is reflected.

Tl;dr fucking basic physics, we are on battery power. you want global warming? wait till all ice has melted and no longer acts as cooler.

>hey goys, you could save the world but you'd have to rob an ancient god and all the satanic slim that swims in his wake devouring his scraps
i dont see a problem with this

There is no deadline. Runaway warming is an unsubstantiated myth

eh i read something they were pushing years ago, how one methane pocket under the permafrost in Siberia or someplace would release as much methane as all the bovine farms in the U.S, and there where hundreds of thousands of these pockets that will release that much methane once the permafrost melts. Talking about some serious doomsday shit
but that's also how the leftists really work
>vote for me or the world will come to an immediate end, goyim

why is the center frozen?

how come we dont have /bizzaro/ threads anymore

Because mods delete threads seemingly randomly. For some reason they've got in their head the idea that everything must be strictly about politics in this board, which is retarded. Some times it'd be nice to just have fun with other autists, but that's too much to ask.

i guess that explains risk threads too.
holy shit mods became total faggots. right up there with federal trap posters. why do i still come here

Like what your doing now?

Almost every testable projection made by computer models concerning the impacts of greenhouse gas emissions on the planet has been proven wrong. Hurricanes aren’t getting worse; sea levels are not rising at an unusual rate; Antarctica is adding ice, not losing it; scientists can show no species to have been lost due to climate change; droughts continue to wax and wane as they always have; and crop production continues to set records. Actual measured temperatures are much lower than the computer model predictions, indicating global temperature is most likely less sensitive to greenhouse gases being added to the atmosphere than computer models suggest.

If humans aren’t causing apocalyptic global warming, there’s no good reason for governments to tax fossil fuel use.

Discouraging fossil fuels is an especially bad idea because expanding the use of these fuels is the quickest, surest way to decrease poverty and increase economic progress in the United States and abroad. In addition, higher carbon dioxide levels are demonstrably beneficial for plants, increasing agricultural yields, improving plants’ water use efficiency, and greening Earth by shrinking deserts and expanding forest cover.

It's freaking me out because I'm realizing that I'm the smartest human on earth.

It's estimated that we've had 5 different ice ages since earth formed. Yes it's real but inconveniently also perfectly natural. People are just stupid and get scared of everything. It will happen and we will adjust or die.

>It's estimated that we've had 5 different ice ages since earth formed.
I'm pretty sure we've had 5 ice ages in the last 100 000 years alone.

>Image
>No link
>1 post by this ID
So this is the power of nu/shit/

Nature is more resilient than that, like the new coral reefs in Gulf that can withstand much warmer temperatures. The main problems with global warming aren't "Trees are going to die!" or "muh floods!", main problems are going to be life becoming less diverse and more uniform across the globe, plus desert spreading even faster than normal. Finland has the best case scenario where the change actually benefits their climate, while at the same time the land in Southern Ostrobothnia is rising faster than the water level.

Those who are against carbon emission reduction and so on are fucking stupid for deciding to die on the anti-science hill. They would have much better argument in simply shrugging and saying what can we really do about global warming, since the biggest polluters in every society is both industry and traffic. If you reduce either of those things, the quality of life within the society is going to sink and those in poverty are going to suffer the most, so you can't really do that. Funds should go to research and science on how we can prepare for global warming and mitigate its effects, like the new forestation plan in Sahara:

saharaforestproject.com/

Yeah and we could like teach african kids to code javascript.

Indians are cheaper and they do that shit already.

No. I'm talking about full ice age. The earth has gone from full snowball to full tropic in a complete cycle 5 different times. In that there are minicycles which is what I'm sure you're talking about. The earth won't just warm or cool at a constant rate. It will surge back and forth but stay on a basic curve towards warming/cooling. The glaciers will melt, then in the appropriate amount of time (maybe millions of years) the cycle will run its course and the climate will begin to cool again.

Fighting this is pointless. We should rather be dumping all the research money into figuring out how to adjust to life in a full tropical climate. Although we'll never live to see it. Our grandkids may not either. It's coming though and there's nothing we can do to stop it.

well to be fair, global whatever is always more of a threat to infrastructure and economy more than it is to ecosystems, look at Ephesus 1,500 years ago compared to today for an example of what I'm talking about

>where the change actually benefits their climate
Not really. Trees may grow faster but the wood is going to be shittier and pests and pathogens will also become more severe and widespread. The winter that kept the invasive species at bay will be gone. Not to mention warmer is not better for all cold-adapted genotypes.

Oh vey global warming of the gaps. Don't forget to pay your carbon taxes goy.

Overpopulation of Africa is a bigger problem than 'climate change'. Stop the niggerization now. Europe should deport all niggers and muslims now.

It turns a tempered region into a warm region. Our agriculture has always been suffering and lives off EU money because they can't compete with southern european countries with the level of their harvests. Warmer weather means the trees and the wildlife from baltic region will spread further north. From a pure nature- and money perspective it does benefit Finland in the long run. Personally I would fucking hate it because I like cold dry winters.

Exactly. We learned about basic climate science in elementary school. This is supposed to happen. I'm sure by now they've burned those books and replaced it with "We're all going to die!" Propaganda. Humans are such basic bitches.

A jewish lie

I got a ban last week for publicly saging an obvious slide thread.

Glad to see the jannies have their priorities all fucked up like the rest of us, I don't feel like as much of a failure now.

Global cooling is a symptom of global warming

Anthrogenic global warming is real.

The idea that Dems and bullshit like carbon credits will stop it is bullshit. It is a scam to let the rich still pollute while subjegating the rest of us.

The Earth warms and cools in cycles
Whether or not it is affected by man is not yet determined

>Scientific American
Two words combined that can't make sense.

volcanodiscovery.com/sinabung.html

The Sinabung volcano erupted earlier today.

Most of the CO2 it taken in by sea plants not land. And as far as I understand more CO2 speeds up their processes and makes them use more.

The climate is changing.
There's a good chance humans are contributing to it.
It's not catastrophic.
The government will not be able to "fix" the issue. I mean fuck sake, the government fucks up everything it touches.

Underrated

Anyone have good reads on this?

>Hurricanes aren’t getting worse
What did he mean by this?

if they really cared they would let hordes of shitskins into the west where where use cars and generally waste energy

It's not a "legit" ice age, but winters are going to become the brutalist they've been since the 1700s.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum
We could even skip Summer one year at the height of it.

Yeah that would be really bad. Luckily im into prepping so ill be fine.

Global warming is real in my mind.

Pay me carbon tax shekels, goyim

$$$$$$$$

the news about it is misinformation. i try to avoid it.

it's a sign i use to filter people, though.

if only you knew how bad things really are.

Just wait til siberian permafrost isn't perma anymore.

>ancient viruses and bacteria
>million of tons of methane which is a stronger greenhouse gas than co2

When siberia defreezes, antarctica will follow soon, releasing also millions of tons of methane, resulting in the death of almost all living things on this planet.

So you're saying I'll have beach-front property in 100 years? My kids are going to ecstatic!

Hard to say due to extremely biased science and political exploitation of the environment.

However, pollution is an actual serious issue regardless of what side of the fence you fall on.

i believe it is real, and i care about the environment, so I don't litter and I try not to be wasteful and I recycle.

But I don't give a shit. The thought of more powerful storms, rain or snow or otherwise, kind of excites me in a way, to be honest.

>THC
DUDE ACRONYMS LMAO

global warming is a mega scam

literally a bigger scam than the holohoax

Yea this.

The sun also has cycles.

A wetter earth produces more erosion, river run-offs become more abundant, therefore there is a bigger input of nutrients into the sea, which could trigger toxic algal blooms and anoxic events, which ultimately fuck up fisheries.

cool

I will light a match and watch the explosion

...

If both global warming and global cooling are manmade then we've invented global climate control and it's no longer a problem.

Global warming changes the direction of earth's axial tilt. We're slowly approaching the time when earth's tilt will be 24.334 or 66.666 degrees, which would have masonic significance.

>24.334
23.334

Isnt it also strange that here in the Netherlands we barely have any air pollution all is well, but somehow because some other countries make a mess out of it we have to pay? I heard that only the first stage would cost $20 trillion and would make the earth warm up 0,005F.

warm up 0,005F less

uhh....couldn't you just try....not paying?

Which part of Ohio are you in? It's suppose to be 57-67 degrees in Cleveland tomorrow.

Global cooling when it gets cold. Global warming when it gets hot. How about, we have seasons in earth cycle/ solar cycle ? In so that, on a cosmic scale ... there is a hot time and a cold time. Kind of like the ice ages (winters) and periods of warm weather and hot weather then warm but cooler weather than back to ice age ? Doesn't that make more sense since everything seems to be going in cycles?
Unless you know global weather patterns are being sensationalized for some other ((ulterior)) motives.

>What does Cred Forums think about global warming?
Is the climate changing? Almost certainly.
Are humans responsible for it? Possibly. It's also very possible that the climate was changing millions of years before we were even tadpoles.

More to the point, how the fuck are we supposed to positively manipulate the entire climate of a planet? It sounds like a fucking pipe dream right now. Anyone who thinks we can control the climate is essentially biting off the task of terraforming a planet for all of mankind. I don't think we will be able to exert that kind of control for a long time.

There is a slim possibility that global warming is a real problem. It has been selected as the "global" problem that will require a "globa"l response. In other words it is the chosen rationale for the elites to reduce individual freedom and increase the power and scope of the state. If it does not work they will select another globe wide "emergency" to justify fucking what is left of the middle class in the west.

>most sea level rise examples are caused by erosion

Bump

You guys are pea-brained steeple.

carbon cycle:
1) carbon is released into atmosphere from cow farts.
2) ocean absorbs increase in CO2 in atmosphere, but lags cow farts a bit. (Hence we see an increase in atmospheric CO2, but not as human they as we originally projected.
3) more acidic ocean creates plumes of coccolithophore that churn out O2 and create thicker shells with the additional CO2.
4) the phytoplankton die and descend to the ocean floor where over millennia they turn back into oil.

The earth is self regulating and the comparatively minuscule amount of CO2 we are adding will be handled by Mother Earth expeditiously.

hub.jhu.edu/2015/11/26/rapid-plankton-growth-could-signal-climate-change/

You are a gullible fool. The Yellowstone Caldera erupted about 16,000 years ago filling our atmosphere with more CO2 in one year than we are projected to release in 200 years, yet it had little long term effect on our climate, in fact I recall it led to temporary global cooling.

And if you think rapid temperature changes are bad for life, look at the warming after the Younger Dryas cooling 11,600 years ago when the temperature increased 10C in 10 years and about 30C in 300 years. Yet, we didn't see a huge die off then.

literally the opposite is true.

>Scientists say the climate is changing
>Posts one scientist who says the climate is changing but disagrees with with the other scientists on how it's changing
>Man who isn't a scientist with very high self proclaimed IQ claims that global warming is a scam because of this

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