Anti-commie faggots on Cred Forums have no arguments against communism - you're all sheep

Brayden Morris
Brayden Morris

Some of the most retarded arguments used are
1) In communism people starve
But that's the fault of the central planning committee, not communism as an ideology
2) In communism people die
In capitalism, people die too. In fact, they're dying right now in the ME due to capitalism.
3) Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty and here's a graph to prove it
But the graph uses dollars to define poverty and dollars are backed by oil which gives U.S. an unfair advantage in all poverty indices.
4) Capitalism is a fair system
Capitalism rewards people arbitrarily, and if you're parents are rich, then your chances of success disproportionately improve even though you may totally suck.

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Camden Walker
Camden Walker

communist
Stopped reading there. Gas chamber is down the hall and to the left.

Kevin Jackson
Kevin Jackson

6) communist. Stopped reading there. Gas chamber is down the hall and to the left.
But user, I've been brainwashed into believing that capitalism is superior to communism.

Jackson Hill
Jackson Hill

7) Random reaction pic
Hehehe, check out the OP. He believes communism is better. Hahahaha, here's a reaction pic that provides no valid argument against communism to show how smart I am.

Ryan Cook
Ryan Cook

bump comrade

Anthony Moore
Anthony Moore

8) Communism has failed every time it's been tried
I'll disregard the fact the capitalism has failed multiple times and the world now runs on the petrodollar and instead I'll repeat the same recycled brainwashed talking point on Cred Forums - communism has failed every time it's been tried before.

Landon Thompson
Landon Thompson

You must be 18+ to post on this board.

William Green
William Green

its 2018
grow up and get a job kid

Isaiah Morales
Isaiah Morales

kys my dude. If you think ad homs and non arguments is how you persuade people you aren't going to get anywhere.

Brandon Howard
Brandon Howard

100 years of failed states says otherwise comrade

Jaxon Kelly
Jaxon Kelly

9) You must be 18+ to post on this board.
user, I don't have any good arguments since I'm sheep, but I will say that you just can't be old enough to post on Cred Forums if you're saying there's nothing wrong with the communistic ideology itself.

Austin Reyes
Austin Reyes

10) It's the current year kid.
I'm going to post with a meme flag, and use Castro Jr.'s talking points to look smart.

Andrew Parker
Andrew Parker

11) Communism sucks user, just fucking accept it.
I don't know how to think for myself and when I get called out on it, I'm going to double down to show that I can actually think for myself.

Jayden Lee
Jayden Lee

8) Communism has failed every time it's been tried
I'll disregard the fact the capitalism has failed multiple times and the world now runs on the petrodollar and instead I'll repeat the same recycled brainwashed talking point on Cred Forums - communism has failed every time it's been tried before.

Aaron Wood
Aaron Wood

Capitalism: every extremely successful country.
LOLmunisim: come on son... This isn't fucking rocket science.

Caleb Robinson
Caleb Robinson

hey goy try communism
I'm pretty hesitant, it has a pretty solid track record of failure
this time will be different I swear
I see, what changes to the implementation of central planning in this new proposed socialist state will ensure a transition to a communist utopia rather than a cabal of totalitarian bureaucrats like every other time?
well this time we've infiltrated academia to indoctrinate the youth
that doesn't put me any more at ease
shut up lumpenprole off to gulag

Dylan Ward
Dylan Ward

What's communism to you? Marxism? Lenin? What is to stop all the psychopaths and worst people from becoming party members and corrupting the party because they want to get ahead in life and have more shit than everybody else and this is one of the only ways to do it?

Landon Price
Landon Price

Capitalism is based on the idea of equal opportunity you fuckhead. If you really strive for success and work smart, you'll be rewarded accordingly and will come out more successful than others. Competition is what drives everything forward.

Where as in communism everything is based on equal outcome, hence no incentive to work harder since the pay will be the same.

Now tell me how will you find a way to make progress without pointing a gun to some poor engineer's head and making him work hard for the same pay while everyone else who's picking their nose not doing shit? (unless you're pointing a gun to everyone's head which is exactly what happened in USSR, and that's definetly not a better way to live then in a capitalist society)

Wyatt Morales
Wyatt Morales

Capitalism: every extremely successful country.
Here's recycled point 8)
8) Communism has failed every time it's been tried
I'll disregard the fact the capitalism has failed multiple times and the world now runs on the petrodollar and instead I'll repeat the same recycled brainwashed talking point on Cred Forums - communism has failed every time it's been tried before.
But I'll bite user, which country has been successful on capitalism. Just go ahead. I'll bite. If I can't find a flaw with the country you name, I'll back off and admit that capitalism is superior.

Jayden Robinson
Jayden Robinson

Bumping for Ireland comrade

Dominic Moore
Dominic Moore

13) Jews promote communism
I'll ignore the fact that Jews rule capitalism, but I'll demonize communism since you know, muh capitalism.

Joseph Foster
Joseph Foster

Your faggot argument is "that's just a me-me"
not an argument

Brayden Brooks
Brayden Brooks

But that's the fault of the central planning committee, not communism as an ideology
But is the central planning committee core to a communist society?
But the graph uses dollars to define poverty and dollars are backed by oil which gives U.S. an unfair advantage in all poverty indices.
But it was also happening before 1970 when we still had gold backed currency.
Capitalism rewards people arbitrarily, and if you're parents are rich, then your chances of success disproportionately improve even though you may totally suck.
It's their family's money. You aren't entitled to any of it.

Elijah Thompson
Elijah Thompson

14) You don't know what communism is user. Go read Marx, Lenin, Trotsky and then come back and post here
I'll ignore the fact there are well understood characterizations of communism in economics and I'll use losers like Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky to set up a strawman argument.

Jose Martin
Jose Martin

How about a country that communism has worked for?
I'll wait........

Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

4) Capitalism is a fair system
I'll ignore the fact that capitalism rewards people arbitrarily, and if you're parents are rich, then your chances of success disproportionately improve even though you may totally suck.

Landon Stewart
Landon Stewart

Bumb gomrade XDDD
Let's go /leftypol/ :DD

Jaxon Davis
Jaxon Davis

It doesn’t fucking work kiddo. I will always remember when I had to stay 2 hours in line to get toilet paper.

Easton Lopez
Easton Lopez

Success is relative, the capitalist country just has to be more successful than the communist country to be considered a better system.

Switzerland. Name a communist country more successful than Switzerland.

Gabriel Ward
Gabriel Ward

Gets asked to name one successful country on capitalism.
Spergs out.
Your faggot argument is "that's just a me-me"
not an argument
Absolute state of anti-commie faggots on Cred Forums. It's soooooo fucking easy to see through all you fucking sheep.

Liam Ward
Liam Ward

Irish republican socialists don't look like that comrade

Christopher Sanders
Christopher Sanders

Nice sperg out
Don't answer any questions because you can't
Your faggot ideology Is a meme get over it

Grayson Ortiz
Grayson Ortiz

So you call the founders of your ideology losers but you aren't a loser for following their leavings. Fuuuuuuuuck you are so stupid.

Brayden Nelson
Brayden Nelson

Skill and motivation are not arbitrary you brainlet.

Alexander Martin
Alexander Martin

this is why

Jaxon Clark
Jaxon Clark

Well just see how Venezuela is doing right now filling my fucking country with spanish black mestizos motherfuckers as they don’t have even fucking toilet paper

Joshua Gutierrez
Joshua Gutierrez

15) user, you had to admit that if central planning doesn't work, communism doesn't work.
I'll ignore the fact that central planning can consist of incompetent human beings like the U.S. government and instead claim that the idea of central planning is itself bad. OP, see how smart I am.

But it was also happening before 1970 when we still had gold backed currency.
Ignores the fact that after WW2 all countries were in shambles and any system would have brought them out of poverty. Also ignores the fact that communism has consistently and rapidly brought countries out of poverty via rapid industrialization wherever it was applied without exception.

It's their family's money. You aren't entitled to any of it.
I'll ignore OP's argument that once your family is rich, then all your kids get safety nets they haven't earned and instead attack a strawman argument by saying commies come for everyone's money. Hahaha, that should show the OP.

Ian Baker
Ian Baker

Ebin destrugtion gommie bro :DD
You owned these dumb sheeps XDDD
wankers of the world unite X-D

Daniel Torres
Daniel Torres

Anti-commie faggots on Cred Forums have no arguments against communism
It's Jewish and anti-White.

Colton Fisher
Colton Fisher

Get's asked to name one successful country on capitalism
Spergs out.
Can't name even one.
Ok, I got this, I'll turn this back on OP.
How about a country that communism has worked for?
I'll wait........
Absolute state of anti-commie retards on Cred Forums. Strawman after strawman.

Jaxson Nelson
Jaxson Nelson

15. I'm poor and i want free shit.

Samuel Anderson
Samuel Anderson

Stop eating food.

Jaxson Williams
Jaxson Williams

where did I say that capitalism is a fair system? Fairness is what you commies try to accomplish every time and fail miserably. You still can't get the idea of equal outcome out of your little 20 IQ brain.

The point is that you CAN and ALWAYS WILL be able to be more successful than others if you work smarter and harder, and your profits wont be taken away and redistributed to some teenage fags too lazy to get a job for the sake """fairness"""

Anthony Rodriguez
Anthony Rodriguez

1) In communism people starve
But that's the fault of the central planning committee, not communism as an ideology

Luke Harris
Luke Harris

But the graph uses dollars to define poverty and dollars are backed by oil which gives U.S. an unfair advantage in all poverty indices.
global poverty is down
US has a unfair advantage
You fucking retard, you need a better argument for this point because yours is incorrect so to speak.

Ryan Evans
Ryan Evans

The country you live in along with every other successful country in the world(NK is not successful).

Angel Howard
Angel Howard

Absolute state of anti-commie retards on Cred Forums. Strawman after strawman.
Communism wants to destroy race, culture, heritage, history, tradition and faith.

Communism would turn the people into soulless automatons.

Jaxson Richardson
Jaxson Richardson

So no one can ask the same question of your ideology?
Hmm sounds like LOLmunisim logic

James Jackson
James Jackson

Wow you are fucking retarded. This has to be bait.

Sebastian Nguyen
Sebastian Nguyen

Pinko trash fuckin dog.

Jayden Bailey
Jayden Bailey

There's no point in debating with you faggots because you always ignore good arguments

Alexander Davis
Alexander Davis

1-10) Commies are just projecting mentally retarded and making up shit as they go
It true commies are retarded in one way or another and just drooling idiots at the end of the day

Jason Turner
Jason Turner

Yeah but actual communism hinges upon achieving a post-currency society, no attempts at communism have even approached any self-sustaining post-currency economies.

And no supposed communist can ever even explain exactly how this can be achieved, not in platitudes but in real actionable instructions. Not even Marx or Engels.

But maybe you can, proceed or admit that the ideology is fantasy.

Andrew Lee
Andrew Lee

Marxist policies have not worked in any country they have attempted. Capitalist policies have worked in every country to the degree and amount of policies used. Those policies are a success, but the society might not be fully on one end of the scale between Socialism and Capitalism.

Ryder Barnes
Ryder Barnes

commiefaggot not knowing what communism really is
youtube.com/watch?v=n4ZxO5I-s4E
it's kind of funny that you are even able to do that is because you live in a capitalist country

Benjamin Jones
Benjamin Jones

Name one successful capitalist country
Switzerland.
Ignores the fact that Switzerland has everyone's dirty money to launder into its economy and this money prevents anyone from attacking the Swiss.
Ignores the fact that in Switzerland people are given jobs even if companies have no need for it to keep unemployment low and this makes Switzerland more of a centrally planned system rather than a capitalist system.
At least you tried user.

Cooper Moore
Cooper Moore

muh toilet paper takes too long
"in gommunism beople darved" :DDD
Haha, commie fag says you should eat Toilet paper.

Xavier Morales
Xavier Morales

Nice sperg out
Don't answer any questions because you can't
Your faggot ideology Is a meme get over it
Still can't name a successful country on capitalism.

Luke Miller
Luke Miller

America

Benjamin Morales
Benjamin Morales

Still can't name a successful country on capitalism.
Capitalism is just as Jewish and anti-White as Communism is.

Isaac Murphy
Isaac Murphy

USA, gb, any White country. Seriously, how much jew cock do you take on the daily basis?

Kayden Hernandez
Kayden Hernandez

Still can't name a successful country on capitalism.

the one you're writing from fag.

Juan Evans
Juan Evans

15) user, I think Marx, Lenin and Trotsky were losers, and thus by association you're a loser.
Hahaha, I showed OP even though I ignored the fact that communism was promoted by french philosophers in the 17th century way before Marx was born - but hey, it's easier to put communism down since I'm a sheep on Cred Forums.

Austin Gray
Austin Gray

Capitalism was largely prevalent in the 19th century and the world improved massively from it, just because 100% of a countries policies aren't capitalist doesn't mean that those capitalist policies are that majority lean in capitalism's direction as not worked. The evidence for living standards and material wellbeing are all around you.

We've seen what happened in every single marxist influenced country....20 billion starved ukrainians is what that looks like bucko, so clean your room.

Hunter Gutierrez
Hunter Gutierrez

13) Jews promote communism
I'll ignore the fact that Jews rule capitalism, but I'll demonize communism since you know, muh capitalism.

Jose Green
Jose Green

15) user, I think Marx, Lenin and Trotsky were losers, and thus by association you're a loser.
All of which were Jews and influential in Jewish Communism

Stalin was surrounded by Jews, fucked a Jew and instituted a law making antisemitism a crime punishable by death.

Jack Taylor
Jack Taylor

I'll ignore the fact that Jews rule capitalism, but I'll demonize communism since you know, muh capitalism.
Capitalism is just as Jewish and anti-White as Communism is.

Camden Perry
Camden Perry

where did I say that capitalism is a fair system?
This is you
Capitalism is based on the idea of equal opportunity you fuckhead. If you really strive for success and work smart, you'll be rewarded accordingly and will come out more successful than others. Competition is what drives everything forward.

I'm sorry that you're so retarded. God bless your heart.

Jeremiah Martin
Jeremiah Martin

God bless your heart.
Communists hate God and want to destroy Christianity. Because the Jews hate Christianity and Communism is Jewish.

Michael Hughes
Michael Hughes

Communism isn't a functioning economic system. But you already knew this because it gets posted in every thread and you intentionally ignore it to spread your destructive parasitic ideology.

Jaxson Cook
Jaxson Cook

You fucking retard, you need a better argument for this point because yours is incorrect so to speak.
Please elaborate. I lurk on these commie threads, and usually only the AnCap faggots make any sense.

Brayden Johnson
Brayden Johnson

ECONOMIC CALCULATION PROBLEM

Dominic Moore
Dominic Moore

13) Jews rule capitalism
I'll ignore the fact that Jews promote capitalism, but I'll demonize capitalism since you know, muh communism.

Julian Davis
Julian Davis

16) Communism destroys race, culture and history user.
I'll ignore the fact that capitalism does the same because I only want my race to destroy other cultures and absolutely sperg out if someone says that an ideology is coming after my race.

Bentley Reed
Bentley Reed

This exactly

Jose Green
Jose Green

So no one can ask the same question of your ideology?
Hmm sounds like LOLmunisim logic
Still can't name a single successful country on capitalism.

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

This thread sickens me.
a edgy-commie-wannabe is talking shit to a person who actually lived in a socialist country.
I guess you’re just too young. I will never be able to describe the feeling of freedom I felt when the Eastern block fell.

Jack Morales
Jack Morales

Whoops. I fucked up. The second Capitalism is supposed to be Communism

Christopher Bell
Christopher Bell

I'll ignore the fact that capitalism does the same because I only want my race to destroy other cultures and absolutely sperg out if someone says that an ideology is coming after my race.
Judeo Capitalism is just as anti-White as Judeo Communism is.

Matthew Wright
Matthew Wright

both capitalism and communism are jewish tools to rule over you, dont buy into them. take a different position, rather then the left/right capitalist/communist rule of jewish tyranny. fascism or national socialism is the best for you and yours

Ayden Price
Ayden Price

ITT: Retarded Solipsist LOLmunists have zero actual arguments... Shocker...

Ayden Wilson
Ayden Wilson

17) Here's what will happen if commies take over user. History has shown us
I'll ignore the fact that corrupt and power hungry leaders exist in capitalism as well. Hahaha, I'm such a smart Kraut.

Nicholas Johnson
Nicholas Johnson

Same here buddy, we Romanians stand with our Brethren Bulgarians.

Jaxon Hernandez
Jaxon Hernandez

18) This thread challenges my critical thinking. Must be bait for sure.
I can't think and therefore whenever someone's trying to make me think, they're baiting me. Fucking commies. NatSoc FTW.

Jonathan Walker
Jonathan Walker

I'll ignore the fact that corrupt and power hungry leaders exist in capitalism as well. Hahaha, I'm such a smart Kraut.
That's why we support National Socialism on Cred Forums.

It's pro-White and not Jewish.

Ethan Cooper
Ethan Cooper

Named 3, but you don't care so your ideology has been provided with evidence and your answer is "NU UHHHH"
And you faggots wonder why you're a meme

Connor Martinez
Connor Martinez

this, capitalism and communism are pro jewish ideologys, national socialism is pro white

Nathan Bell
Nathan Bell

ablooblobobo no u gommunism dindunuthing but everything and is da kangz and sheit
Communism is just a retarded dead meme. You cant prove this wrong.

Oliver Torres
Oliver Torres

I believe you responded to the wrong post, friend.

Austin Reed
Austin Reed

ablooblobobo muh capitsalism is why jewry is shit
Communism is 100% Jewish You cant prove this wrong.

Benjamin Carter
Benjamin Carter

kek

Owen Moore
Owen Moore

Are you going to ignore the economic calculation problem as you allways do?

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

Nobody cares, faggot. Go back to plebbit
SAGE

Joshua Garcia
Joshua Garcia

This is you
I was talking about the outcome equality you can't stop drooling over.
Ofcourse capitalism isn't fair in that regard. fucks like you will always be at the bottom cuz they're too lazy to move a finger.

Angel Howard
Angel Howard

LMAO

Brody Torres
Brody Torres

Communism is 100% Jewish You cant prove this wrong.
Again, I do believe you're responding to the wrong post.

I am in full agreement that Communism is Jewish and anti-White.

Adam Gonzalez
Adam Gonzalez

Of course. Why else did the real Marxists become cultural....because they were BTFO in every other area.

Mason Ward
Mason Ward

The Central committee/Politburo always end up ruling in a tyrannical totalitarian fashion, no different (or worse) than an absolute monarchy and sometimes even with fucking heirs (NK and Cuba)
No equality whatsoever

Eli White
Eli White

People like you are fucking stupid. You can do your own research and see how shitty communism is. The multitudes of people that died, the constant failures (even today). So why even argue with an idiot like you?

Owen Nguyen
Owen Nguyen

6) communist. Stopped reading there. Gas chamber is down the hall and to the left.
But user, I've been brainwashed into believing that capitalism is superior to communism.

Camden Moore
Camden Moore

Ill ignore the fact that I believe in fairy tales like communism created to corrupt the children and mentally retarded Cred Forums BTFO
Thats where you are wrong buddy

John Nguyen
John Nguyen

19) Commies project
They're reasoning cannot be right and all arguments are projections.

Evan Jackson
Evan Jackson

Notice hows he won't answer me, despite my being being one of the only posts in this thread that isn't just memes or mindless ad-hom.

I'm not going to wait anymore, butr for those of you who want to oppose communists, this is how. The opposition can not truly answer you because they can not create a template for a society that actually exists while giving reasonable explanations as to how they could tangibly implement such changes.

In the future when you want to dissect something, you should actually acquaint yourself with it first. People waste so much parroting memes they heard about communism when the truth is that communism isn't even fucking real, it has never been and can't ever be real until post-scarcity, when it would be a redundant ideology and effort anyways.

Luke Flores
Luke Flores

Nice meme faggot, now explain how linear optimización can determine prices

Grayson Campbell
Grayson Campbell

Those policies are a success, but the society might not be fully on one end of the scale between Socialism and Capitalism.
Finally, a reasonable human being who accepts that there's no true successful capitalistic system and all supposedly successful capitalistic systems have some level of central planning implemented.

Hunter Johnson
Hunter Johnson

6000000) Im a projecting communist retard
Thats correct

John Fisher
John Fisher

1) In communism people starve
But that's the fault of the central planning committee, not communism as an ideology

Evan Kelly
Evan Kelly

6) capitalist. Stopped reading there. Gulag is down the hall and to the left.
But user, I've been brainwashed by the liberal media into believing that communism is superior to capitalism.

Angel Foster
Angel Foster

You determine success idealistically, and that, my gommie friend, is pretty retarded

James Parker
James Parker

1) In capitalism people starve
But that's the fault of the central planning committee, not capitalism as an ideology

Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

Commies from reddit and leftypol using their typical subversive tactics, this time on Cred Forums in an obvious effort to demoralize the hub of all fashy things online.

Blatantly obvious kike following communist scum are hilariously pathetic.

Matthew Watson
Matthew Watson

You know what reality is right? It's the think where your ideas that used to be in a vacuum are no longer accurate.

It's the same reason why communist countries have descened the way they have in reality, no because they didn't reach a mythical end goal that is impossible to reach but because the actually attempts by actual marxists with actual policies led to these consequences.

The advent of Capitalism worked, historically and factually.

Jace Cruz
Jace Cruz

Name a successful country on capitalism
America
Ignores the fact that American imports goods and services in all sectors of the economy except food and petroleum
Ignores the fact that without the petrodollar, American economy would be in shambles tomorrow and thus the only reason America has an economy is because Saudis and OPEC sell oil for dollars and this forces other nations to sell us shit.
At least you tried user. But it's ok, I already knew the U.S. economy has failed even before you said that. So it wasn't really fair. You go ahead and try again. I'll wait.

Andrew Carter
Andrew Carter

EXPLAIN HOW "LINEAR OPTIMIZATION" CAN DETERMINE PRICES
DO IT
I'LL WAIT

Hunter Cox
Hunter Cox

And they think that they win arguments all the time because of thier retarded ability to disregard facts for feels

LOLmunisim: the living meme

Christian Lee
Christian Lee

Capitalism is just as Jewish and anti-White as Communism is.
Can't argue there.

Hunter Scott
Hunter Scott

America

Dominic Miller
Dominic Miller

This is somehow proof of the failure of capitalism? Hilarious...

Christian Thompson
Christian Thompson

When a communist dies in a horrible way, I don't feel any sympathy. You're not real men and you all should be exterminated.

Jaxson Torres
Jaxson Torres

USA, gb, any White country. Seriously, how much jew cock do you take on the daily basis?
Here, suck on some more Jew cock since your brains are stuck up your ass and it's made up entirely of shit. This is my response to an user who named the U.S.
I'll give you another try since you said white country. Name a white capitalistic country that's successful.

Aiden Wilson
Aiden Wilson

Here

Bentley Peterson
Bentley Peterson

the one you're writing from fag.
Here

Josiah Turner
Josiah Turner

people like to own things

Ethan Richardson
Ethan Richardson

Communism

Stateless, Classless, Cashless society.

Gavin Kelly
Gavin Kelly

America

Jackson Ortiz
Jackson Ortiz

Capitalism was largely prevalent in the 19th century and the world improved massively from it,
This ignores all the tech advancements made before the 19th century in non-capitalist economies that capitalism directly benefited from.
The evidence for living standards and material wellbeing are all around you.
Ignores tech used and built upon from non-capitalist countries.
We've seen what happened in every single marxist influenced country....20 billion starved ukrainians is what that looks like bucko, so clean your room.
See point 1) in OP.

Asher Brooks
Asher Brooks

This is unironically a good argument, simple truth no colective force can erase that from the human mind

Logan Fisher
Logan Fisher

As always OP is a massive faggot. Sage

Jaxon Ramirez
Jaxon Ramirez

Communists hate God and want to destroy Christianity. Because the Jews hate Christianity and Communism is Jewish.

I think we're on 19) or 20) now.

19 or 20) Commies hate Christianity and are thus evil.
I really have no arguments against communism, but the television told me that commies being anti-christian was bad and since I'm a staunch christian, I know commies are bad.

Lucas Jones
Lucas Jones

But you already knew this because it gets posted in every thread and you intentionally ignore it to spread your destructive parasitic ideology.
Don't blame me if anti-commie fags on Cred Forums are all sheep with no real counter-arguments against communism.

Leo Torres
Leo Torres

.

Ryan Adams
Ryan Adams

Nah, advocating for Communism is beyond fucking retarded. It's like you stupid fucks just ignore the extensive history pointing to why your shitty system is flawed and evil. Even though capitalism has it's issues, it's a sustainable system and will always be superior to communism.

Jayden Martinez
Jayden Martinez

..

Aaron Mitchell
Aaron Mitchell

I think we're on 20 now.

20) No central planning committee could possible solve the complex problem on economic resource allocation
I'll ignore 100 years of economic research on contract theory, incentive theory, and general equilibrium models which have been derived to solve the economic calculation problem and instead believe some meme I saw on Cred Forums sometime back. Also, I'll act like a faggot by ignoring that we now have computing technology that can solve complex resource allocation problems for large economies.

Levi Myers
Levi Myers

in communism, the only logical outcome is where everyone is equally opressed to the brink of death.
Sure, you might say that it's not the intention of communism but it is still what it produces every time it is tried.

Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

This thread sickens me.
a edgy-commie-wannabe is talking shit to a person who actually lived in a socialist country.
One of the standard 21 points against communism that I've listed covers this.

Hudson Jackson
Hudson Jackson

That was a pretty shitty "response" if you can call it that but what tech are you talking about that wasn't developed within the capitalist period? The shovel?

Wyatt Anderson
Wyatt Anderson

...

Jaxson Price
Jaxson Price

both capitalism and communism are jewish tools to rule over you, dont buy into them. take a different position, rather then the left/right capitalist/communist rule of jewish tyranny. fascism or national socialism is the best for you and yours
Hey, I'm just trying to show anti-commie faggots on Cred Forums how retarded they are because they don't have any critical thinking skills.

David Taylor
David Taylor

shit thread constantly being bumped

fuck this shit thread

William Anderson
William Anderson

That's why we support National Socialism on Cred Forums.
Yeah, NatSoc is not bad. I like NatSoc too.

Kayden Foster
Kayden Foster

Named 3
3? Only Switzerland and USA so far and I countered both. Which is the 3rd? The random white country which no one named?

Justin Cooper
Justin Cooper

People also like to use money, or otherwise, a merchandise who everyone would want, like precious metals.

People won't work hard if their sweat give them nothing. This is lethal if you try to force communism on the agricultural sector.

Jeremiah Sullivan
Jeremiah Sullivan

what do you think this is, you personal debate club?
You don't argue with communists, you just shoot them when they pop their heads up.

David Cruz
David Cruz

also, checkem

Xavier Lewis
Xavier Lewis

Serious question OP... do you not see how much of a control freak you are?

Do you really not understand the connection between Socialist/Communist people who want to control every aspect of society and people whose lives are in shambles, full of envy and regret and excuses for their pathetic lives?

You or anyone else on this Earth has no right to control my destiny. You have no right to take what I have rightfully earned.

Your life is out of order.
You are probably struggling with:
addiction ( of some kind)
bad (or non-existent) relationship with one or more parents, most likely your father.
over-consumption of media ( TV, video games, social media, news)
inability to cope with being so unsuccessful when you see other less talented people succeed)

If you are willing to entertain the idea that you might actually be wrong about something then I suggest you begin reading the other side with an open mind as much as possible...

But if you really want answers then get your life in order first. That means get off the internet for a while at least. Start fixing your life, focus on yourself by being useful to others. Keep your living space clean and tidy at all times. Entertainment like video games, movies, and TV should be a treat only after a hard day of work. Wean off of all substances that are bad for your body. Keep your chin up and your shoulders back when you walk. Treat people with kindness and truly listen. Create goals for yourself and stick with them.

Once you understand that you are an absolute control of your own destiny you will begin to find peace.

Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner

Why is every single communist argument "BUT WHATABOUT CAPITALISM". Shit's pathetic.

James Roberts
James Roberts

I was talking about the outcome equality you can't stop drooling over.
Ofcourse capitalism isn't fair in that regard.
I'm sorry, are you saying capitalism is not fair?

Evan Sanchez
Evan Sanchez

all fucking commies must fucking hang
in all fields

Michael Gray
Michael Gray

contract theory, incentive theory, and general equilibrium models
Still waiting for an actual argument about how you determine prices under comunism, faggot!

Julian Watson
Julian Watson

what the fuck did I just read

Carson Gomez
Carson Gomez

People like you are fucking stupid. You can do your own research and see how shitty communism is.
Absolute state of anti-commie fags on Cred Forums. No logical arguments. Astounding. How the fuck do pro-free market fags even post on this board? You fuckers would be taken to the cleaners in any decent economic discussion.

Chase Smith
Chase Smith

name a successful communist country.

Robert Morris
Robert Morris

collectivist
calling others sheep

Luke Robinson
Luke Robinson

Prices? Silly capitalist, only things have prices so we don't need any.

Ian Myers
Ian Myers

What exactly is the problem with a Stateless, Classless, Cashless society?

Brandon Hall
Brandon Hall

Answer me this commie-scum

In a communist society, who controls the distribution of resources? How are they immune from corruption? How does this not turn them from proletariat to bourgeoisie? It can't be "the proletariat", because at the end of the day, you still have to physically have a group of people (read: class) determine who gets whats resources and how those resources are distributed.

To go along with this last point, how do you determine what is 'fair' for the proletariat and how does is this very question and deliberation not a manifestation of bourgeoisie societal structure?

How do you fundamentally ensure equality of outcome without a central authority which exists above the proletariat? Furthermore, how do you justify the nullification and complete castration of individual autonomy in favor of a utilitarian society in which inequalities are built into the system itself?

How do you propose to maintain control of all your resources and people WITHOUT resorting to total dictatorship/tyranny? Hard Mode: Do so by citing a real world example in which this actually happened.

I will concede that communism CAN work, in theory, but only in small communities in which the proletariat are in total religious, moral, and cultural unity. The only places communism even comes close to working is in monastic communities, and even then, there is a strict hierarchy in order. There's also that pesky notion of an authority which exists beyond the scope of the government-an idea which has been a fundamental and necessary component of all communist societies so far tried. Free Market Capitalism is far from perfect, but it's a level playing field. I can guarantee that most of your critiques of capitalism are critiques of crony capitalism, which is socialism-lite and not free market capitalism.

Jeremiah Carter
Jeremiah Carter

The banking sector of Swiss is about 5% of the PIB. This is less than France.

Most of their economy is small (<50 ppl) compagnies with a high creativity and added value.

Leo Gutierrez
Leo Gutierrez

Notice hows he won't answer me
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were asking me a question. I didn't see any post referenced and I thought you were replying to someone else. Are you referring to this post of yours?
First, Marx and Engels weren't economists and they didn't really understand the economic fundamentals of communism. How do I know this? Most of the proofs in econ literature that support communism were discovered in the 20th century, long after Marx and Engels.

Coming to your point
Yeah but actual communism hinges upon achieving a post-currency society, no attempts at communism have even approached any self-sustaining post-currency economies.
The simple outline of the proof is that everyone in the economy communicates their preferences to the central planner and based on the preferences of all individuals, the central planner determines the pareto optimal allocation.

Since prices in markets are an indirect way of signaling the preferences of individuals in the economy, simply communicating one's preferences to the planner is sufficient.

And before you sperg out and say this is not possible, Google and Amazon already know your preferences and most internet companies are beta testing preference derivation of users for the future communist economy in the U.S.A.
But maybe you can, proceed or admit that the ideology is fantasy.
No need to get your panties in a knot just because you don't know stuff.

Jordan Cooper
Jordan Cooper

by butting me in bower :DDD

Noah Gutierrez
Noah Gutierrez

this is actually pretty good
i am honestly surprised that someone here cares enough about a retard communist to try to help them.
It's no use, they are beyond help.
He will probably just off himself by cutting and pills in due time anyway.
You are truly a cool guy tho, a christian i assume?

Isaac Perry
Isaac Perry

Nice meme faggot, now explain how linear optimización can determine prices
See

Andrew Kelly
Andrew Kelly

SO... waitaminute....

Is Switzerland true communism? Have we finally found something that is not not true communism? Is this the day?

Daniel King
Daniel King

6000000) Im a projecting communist retard
Thats correct
Hahaha. Absolute state of Nazi fags on Cred Forums. Fucking disgrace to Nazis.

Leo Johnson
Leo Johnson

You determine success idealistically, and that, my gommie friend, is pretty retarded
My friend, you're Spanish. I need say no more.

Blake Rodriguez
Blake Rodriguez

See this Cred Forums? Commies are like little babies when confronted with the economic calculation problem

Charles Torres
Charles Torres

communism doesn't even exist. it's idealist bullshit shilled by retards and dictators.

Bentley Miller
Bentley Miller

Communism will win.
Just one more try...

Benjamin Garcia
Benjamin Garcia

Moneyless is stupid and pointless if you know what money represents.
Classless is not only stupid because of the inaccurate class analysis marxists make but also because their denial of the importance of hierarchy. Or that legitimate hierarchy can exist (some accept this but don't define the distinction between the two, only that it is "democratically decided")

I'd really like to know why they have such a hardon of democracy in all areas of life, like yes its easier for them to win politically by offering people other people stuff but as part of their end goal? I don't know why they don't see the flaws.

Jordan Rodriguez
Jordan Rodriguez

This destroys the commie

Xavier Harris
Xavier Harris

No, explain It to me please :^)

Juan Collins
Juan Collins

Cred Forums is now commie board.

Levi Nelson
Levi Nelson

You know what reality is right? It's the think where your ideas that used to be in a vacuum are no longer accurate.
Hey, none of these anti-commie fags have any decent arguments. Not my fault that they don't dissect what they read on Cred Forums.
The advent of Capitalism worked, historically and factually.
You take too many liberties here. Modern capitalism is no different from Monarchist feudalism. Modern capitalism has shown time and again that it leads to monopolies which buy political power. At best, modern capitalism is benign oligarchy, but it's not a true free market - because that's a pipe dream.

But most importantly, what a lot of these capitalism has brought so many out of poverty faggots don't consider is the ongoing technological progress of humanity. Sure, modern capitalism may have hastened the process, but a ton of tech was already there in most engineering fields and mathematics before computers really skyrocketed the progress. Thus, if computers were invented under a monarchies feudalistic society, progress would have been achieved then as well.

Caleb Martinez
Caleb Martinez

explain to me how expanding the state and giving all power to it to regulate absolutely everything is a good thing.

Brandon Brown
Brandon Brown

Indeed

Workers of the world, unite!

Jacob Morgan
Jacob Morgan

Name one successful country on capitalism
America
America no longer has a functioning economy because it relies almost entirely on oil.
This is somehow proof of the failure of capitalism? Hilarious...
Hehehe. The brainwashing is hilarious to watch.

Christian Murphy
Christian Murphy

/bol/ iz now gommie bord :DDD

Samuel Baker
Samuel Baker

Hehe. There are limits to trolling after which it's so obvious you're trolling.

Jason Peterson
Jason Peterson

everyone in the economy communicates their preferences to the central planner and based on the preferences of all individuals, the central planner determines the pareto optimal allocation
Yeah, the central planner knows best, amazing way to build a stateless classless moneyless society!
Still unable to explain how a central planner can rationally determine prices, this is so fun...

Jacob Walker
Jacob Walker

America

Jaxon Clark
Jaxon Clark

WTF I love waiting in line for milk now

Hunter Williams
Hunter Williams

but what tech are you talking about that wasn't developed within the capitalist period? The shovel?
Awww come on. I thought AnCaps were the only reasonable ones here. Ok, tell you what, name a capitalistic tech that didn't use any concepts/ideas/tech from a non-capitalist environment. Name one.

Logan King
Logan King

Iz u :DD

Aiden Lopez
Aiden Lopez

Explain how this would actually work on a national level. Cash/money is a representation of an indivudal's work and their subsequent value. Even if you did away with cash/money, people would find ways to symbolize their worth or the worth of their work product. When people barter and trade, they are still doing so with the idea that everything has a certain value. One bundle of hay may be worth a bag of coffee. Or it could be worth two bags of coffee depending on the value placed by an individual/society. The idea of a 'moneyless' society doesn't exist. 'Money" will always exist because money itself is nothing more than a semiotic symbol of value. Look at Bitcoin/Crypto for example, it's not money in the traditional sense but still holds value because the individuals who utilize the currency have placed an intrinsic worth on the currency itself.

Come to think of it, cryptocurrency pretty much guarantees that a communist society can never truly be achieved successfully ever again, unless, of course, there are severe restrictions on individual freedoms (which commies absolutely hate anyways).

Dominic Roberts
Dominic Roberts

WTF i love you

Nolan Wilson
Nolan Wilson

Communism is great. It's the people that are shit

Ethan Russell
Ethan Russell

Which is why it's argued that Capitalism and markets are a superior method of allocating resources towards a societies and peoples goals, wants and needs. That's not to say that the same things can't be accomplished any other way for sure.

I personally don't agree with big blanket terms like "everything is capitalism" "everything is socialism", it's just too much simplification for a complex topic that as we know is a sliding scale with individual policies leaning in one direction or another.

That's why I'm saying that Capitalist policies when implemented worked, whereas the marxists had a lot of trouble trying to implement their sides policies in the long term.

Maybe people are too pessimistic to concede that good things have come out of history like technology and reductions in poverty, it actually makes me quite optimistic if we can get the elites out of the way (depending on who you view as the elites).

Joseph Flores
Joseph Flores

bump
multural karxism

James Garcia
James Garcia

Kek I love how commies struggle with simple economic concepts, it's like a drug to me

Aiden Murphy
Aiden Murphy

Gommunism iz grat. Itz de beoble thet r shet :DDD

Jeremiah Ross
Jeremiah Ross

Do you really not understand the connection between Socialist/Communist people who want to control every aspect of society and people whose lives are in shambles, full of envy and regret and excuses for their pathetic lives?
Is that the only argument you have against communism? That they're control freaks? I mean were you sleeping when Google, Facebook, and all other internet companies decided to sell your data to the CIA?

How retarded are you not to realize that your life in the U.S. is just as controlled as lives in the Soviet Block. What real options do you have anyway? Do you have career freedom - can you get a job in any field? Or are you one of those retards who believes a job in STEM is a real job?

You or anyone else on this Earth has no right to control my destiny.
Tell that to the U.S. government, CIA, and NSA. I have no power over you.

Your life is out of order.
You are probably struggling with:
addiction ( of some kind)
bad (or non-existent) relationship with one or more parents, most likely your father.
over-consumption of media ( TV, video games, social media, news)
inability to cope with being so unsuccessful when you see other less talented people succeed)
Awww, just when I thought you were a reasonable human being. Never mind. Most commie threads have anti-commie sheep on them anyway.

Treat people with kindness and truly listen. Create goals for yourself and stick with them.
This really brought a tear to my eye. I'll share my desktop background with you.

Once you understand that you are an absolute control of your own destiny you will begin to find peace.
It's absolutely pathetic how brainwashed anti-commie fags are on this board.

Sebastian Wood
Sebastian Wood

Why is every single communist argument "BUT WHATABOUT CAPITALISM". Shit's pathetic.
Projection much?

Liam Carter
Liam Carter

contract theory, incentive theory, and general equilibrium models
Still waiting for an actual argument about how you determine prices under comunism, faggot!
Did I not point you to the thread where I explained how a central planner uses preferences to solve a resource allocation problem? Or was that another spaniard? Anyway, here

Nolan Moore
Nolan Moore

Communism is not an economic system , but also an idealogy.

An idealogy that needs to be enforced by the government to work. And if the government has to enforce shit it's already bad. It would only work if every person would participate. Also talented people would be punished and lazy people would get rewarded.

Julian Cruz
Julian Cruz

Jesus fucking Christ. This would be like me saying Hitler is a loser but I'm not a loser for being a Nazi because Romans. You should audition for a spot at the next Olympics. Maybe you can make a career out of the mental gymnastics you are so adept at.

Bentley James
Bentley James

what the fuck did I just read
Which part was incorrect?

Ayden Hernandez
Ayden Hernandez

200 posts into this thread and no one posts the spurdo gommie meme cmon now

Dominic Martin
Dominic Martin

Name a successful country on capitalism
name a successful communist country.
Aww man. So tiring.

Gavin Adams
Gavin Adams

Do you love control freaks unable to determine the price if a good, isn't?

Blake Howard
Blake Howard

Name a successful country on capitalism
Every relevant country is capitalist kek

Juan Hill
Juan Hill

Well it's not the classic /gommunism general/ thread it's typically posted in
But I'll take any excuse

Jace Baker
Jace Baker

Yes you already pointed out that Boss knows best, but how does he determine the price?

Joshua Miller
Joshua Miller

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" XDDDD
To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/

Grayson Hill
Grayson Hill

Because a self-identified capitalist country doesn't fit in with your narrow definitions, it's not capitalist and is in fact communist because of some narrow tie to a concept you associate only with communism you are right? Then when an actual person from said country calls you a retard for being so retarded you act like you are vindicated? Do you have moments of lucidity, when for a second, you are able to grasp the true depths of your mental retardation or is it all starving rainbows and happy gulags up there?

Jose Jones
Jose Jones

oh fug another gommunism thread :DDD

Asher Russell
Asher Russell

I'm really upset that gommies.gom doesn't exist

Samuel Diaz
Samuel Diaz

how about i like starbucks sometimes and dunkin sometimes

Caleb Gomez
Caleb Gomez

Dude, you live in the most successful country on the face of the earth and it is unabashedly capitalist. I'm sure Venezuela or NK would love to have you around to trot out at propaganda pressers to give the world you brilliant insights.

Gavin Reyes
Gavin Reyes

Answer me this commie-scum
Easy there fella. Just shitposting, no need to take this so seriously.
In a communist society, who controls the distribution of resources?
Central planning committee.
How are they immune from corruption?
Democratic elections to replace corrupt planners.
How does this not turn them from proletariat to bourgeoisie?
Term limits
To go along with this last point, how do you determine what is 'fair' for the proletariat
All members of the economy communicate their preferences to the central planner and the central planner determines the PARETO OPTIMAL resource allocation based on these preferences.
How do you fundamentally ensure equality of outcome without a central authority which exists above the proletariat?
Democratic elections.
Furthermore, how do you justify the nullification and complete castration of individual autonomy in favor of a utilitarian society in which inequalities are built into the system itself?
This made no sense.
How do you propose to maintain control of all your resources and people WITHOUT resorting to total dictatorship/tyranny?
I'm not sure what you're asking here, but I'll take a shot in the dark - dice roll?
Hard Mode: Do so by citing a real world example in which this actually happened.
Awww, just when I was having fun answering your questions, you had to resort to a strawman and call it a hard mode question. The answer is simple, there has been no real communist state because by definition communists care for their fellow human beings and all we have in history are power hungry individuals who sought to overthrow the government by using communistic ideology to dupe people.
I will concede that communism CAN work, in theory, but only in small communities in which the proletariat are in total religious, moral, and cultural unity.
Agreed. I feel the same.

Adrian Reed
Adrian Reed

I appreciate how you communists try to bring about a fair world, but what you don't get is that humans are unfair by nature, no one will willingly let you take some of their things so that both are equal and no one will accept being payed the same as someone else if they think they deserve more, you can say that people are like that because of capitalism or because of how important money is in our society but unless you have everyone become monks your utopia will never work, even if almost everyone accepts it, it just takes a little group to destroy it.

Jose Barnes
Jose Barnes

Damn this thread is gold

Jonathan Jenkins
Jonathan Jenkins

Communism doesn't work because it puts far too much power in the hands of a few people. Which ironically creates a larger divide than Capitalism does. And don't give me that bullshit that real communism hasn't been tried. Every time it's been instituted into a country it eventually degenerates the same way.

Juan Fisher
Juan Fisher

The only places communism even comes close to working is in monastic communities, and even then, there is a strict hierarchy in order.
This is solved by rotating people in power via elections and term limits.
There's also that pesky notion of an authority which exists beyond the scope of the government-an idea which has been a fundamental and necessary component of all communist societies so far tried.
Solved by elections and term limits.
Free Market Capitalism is far from perfect, but it's a level playing field.
Free Market Capitalism is just as idealistic as Communism for large economies because competition never rises quickly enough among humans and this leads to monopolies. Also, a true free market does not exist and has never existed. Even for a real free market to exist, you will need a single regulation - break all companies that have more than 50% market share - but by definition, this means the market is no longer free and is centrally controlled.
I can guarantee that most of your critiques of capitalism are critiques of crony capitalism, which is socialism-lite and not free market capitalism.
That's fair and true.

Samuel Morris
Samuel Morris

Simple. Talking hollywood science fiction supercomputers programmed by liberal arts dropouts in ripped Windows app studio reverse engineered by Pajeets in Java will answer all the questions of life to us and rule us.

Lol you dumb Cred Forumsyps probably never thought that far. Always a pleaseure to educate you simpletons.

Logan Martin
Logan Martin

but Its okay guys, it wasn't REAL communism!
these entire countries ravaged with corruption and starvation and labor camps? Its just a straw man!
its not like this would happen under REAL communism!
lets try again, we'll get it right for sure THIS time!

Jason Fisher
Jason Fisher

didn't use any concepts/ideas/tech from a non-capitalist environment
That's a pretty dodgy criteria because everything came form simple tools and people eating food etc. Everything can be linked because it is a progression, time is a line and lines can be traced forward and back....that doesn't deny that in certain environments like one with the creative and commercial freedom of Capitalism that people weren't able to come up with brilliant ideas and get the resources to create them.

Levi Barnes
Levi Barnes

Most of their economy is small (<50 ppl) compagnies with a high creativity and added value.
Yeah I know, they make watches who launder their money in Swiss Banks. Also you stupid faggot, the Swiss have so much black money that they never account for it. Heck, the Germans and Allies didn't attack the Swiss because the Swiss had everyone's money.

Samuel Howard
Samuel Howard

Democratic elections to replace corrupt planners
Corruption solved guys!
This is so good, keep on posting please

Josiah Lewis
Josiah Lewis

Is Switzerland true communism?
No. But it's not true capitalism either.

Carter Davis
Carter Davis

You said you wanted to be a programmer, but we have enough of them already and we need the sewers to be cleaned. Remember, if you resist our central authority, we send you to the Gulag.

Nathaniel Miller
Nathaniel Miller

See this Cred Forums?
Oh my sides. Which grade are you in user? Don't you know that middle school kids shouldn't be on Cred Forums?

Oliver Turner
Oliver Turner

No, explain It to me please :^)
I would, but you need to have an IQ over 50 which unfortunately you don't.

Grayson Myers
Grayson Myers

Democratic Elections
Those always work to stop corruption
Term limits
Jesus fucking christ man, same as above
All members of the economy communicate their preferences to the central planner and the central planner determines the PARETO OPTIMAL resource allocation based on these preferences.
HAHAHAHA well I want a Tesla and Henney. Something tells me nobody gets what they want and you are too stupid to see why.
Democratic elections.
This has to be a joke. Is anything in this society going to be different besides a belief that communist magic will make doing the same things we do now more equal?

The rest is just you saying nothing. You are so retarded and have no understanding of human nature or how and why successful societies thrive.

Joseph Evans
Joseph Evans

Can you please give me one example of capitalism failing that wasn't caused by over Taxation and regulation overload?

Lincoln Lee
Lincoln Lee

Yes, once everyone will stop committing crimes, frauds and will do nothing but providing for the greater good, communism will be possible.

Jackson Richardson
Jackson Richardson

name one successful capitalist country.
America.
ignores the fact that it's capitalist thefore ins't successful.
Sorry but I fail to undestand your logic.

Liam Morales
Liam Morales

I'm not even sure it would be possible if you instituted a 'perfect computer' in as the government.

Elijah Lopez
Elijah Lopez

Still unable to explain how a central planner can rationally determine prices, this is so fun...
Dude, really? I already mentioned that prices indirectly signal the underlying preferences of individuals in an economy and thus if you had their preferences, then you wouldn't need prices. I mean, how hard is this to understand? But then again, you're a Spaniard, so it checks out.

Henry Kelly
Henry Kelly

America
Hahaha. kek. Now I'm having fun. Please, keep going.

Jeremiah Martinez
Jeremiah Martinez

Yeah, life is crazy man... Still unable to explain how you determine prices under gommunism

Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

Communism is great. It's the people that are shit
Best post in thread.

Isaiah Morgan
Isaiah Morgan

At the end of the day, Communism is Atheistic Eschatology. It seeks to create a heaven on earth without a God. I will state something rather controversial (for Cred Forumsacks at least) and say that most communists DO want a moral outcome (it would be great if everyone had equal resources and starvation, crime, etc. went away as a result), but they don't realize that this Utopian dream can never be realized without viewing people as nothing more than souless fleshy automatons. The irony of this is that Communists profess to view people as individuals who should be treated 'equally' and be given everything 'equally'. In order to do so, the communist must resort to viewing individuals as nothing more than mere mindless cattle. It assumes that everyone in the society has the same values, concerns, morals, and desires. This is the inherent problem with this worldview--it does not afford divergent thought or individual autonomy.
Anyone who questions the will of the proletariat or takes measures in their own interests must be weeded out as 'enemies of the people'. This is why SJW types are lured by communism, because it promises total uniformity. The aims of the communist and the ethnonationalist in this way are very similar.
The issue arises when communists fail to recognize individuals as individuals.
They are merely cogs in a giant mechanism which is churning for no teleological purpose.
Thus citizens in a communist society become nothing more than slaves--and the paradox has come full circle. In striving to end slavery and inequality a communist society MUST enforce slavery and inequality. Anything less and it stops being communist. This is why Communist societies ALWAYS result in dictatorial tyranny.

Ethan Cook
Ethan Cook

Fuck all of you guys for not checking my post. How does trip 7s not get all the replies ;_;. Why does my best get have to be in this shitty thread. Praise Kek.

Jaxon Cox
Jaxon Cox

Google don't tell me what job to do, what to eat ans where to sleep. CIA and NSA won't do jack shit as long as I don't make bombs.

Just look at the last election: some energic guy came from nowhere and became president because he was against the shit done for the last decades. We haven't seen that in the Soviet Union.

Andrew Turner
Andrew Turner

It's an idealistic governmental system that assumes the best in people. No matter what system you come up with, someone is going to find a way to take advantage of it.

Jacob Foster
Jacob Foster

Which is why it's argued that Capitalism and markets are a superior method of allocating resources towards a societies and peoples goals, wants and needs.
Argued by the proponents of capitalism, and really that's not saying much since they can be biased as hell. But I get what you're trying to say.
That's not to say that the same things can't be accomplished any other way for sure.
Agreed.
I personally don't agree with big blanket terms like "everything is capitalism" "everything is socialism"
Me neither, and it's fun watching retards on this board sperg out.
it's just too much simplification for a complex topic that as we know is a sliding scale with individual policies leaning in one direction or another.
100% true.
That's why I'm saying that Capitalist policies when implemented worked, whereas the marxists had a lot of trouble trying to implement their sides policies in the long term.
long term.
Smartest AnCap I've come across. That is correct, communism has been shown consistently to bring nations out of poverty via rapid industrialization. However, it's failed, always, in the long run.
Maybe people are too pessimistic to concede that good things have come out of history like technology and reductions in poverty, it actually makes me quite optimistic if we can get the elites out of the way (depending on who you view as the elites).
Precisely. :)

Liam Perez
Liam Perez

if you had their preferences, then you wouldn't need prices
Damn this theorical circus is so fucking funny

Nathan Collins
Nathan Collins

you think you are sounding really deep when in reality you are just sounding retarded

Jace Cook
Jace Cook

What if the guys at the central planing comitee decide that they need a datcha but I can sleep in a dormitory?

Democratic elections.
With democratic elections come democratic reforms. Vote for me and money is back. Vote for me and you will choose your job.

Luis Morris
Luis Morris

fault of the central planning committee, not communism as an ideology
Water is wet and people are stupid, selfish, evil and incompetent.
Any system which turns into shit because of the above will eternally be shit.
Any system which collapses because of the above will collapse. Kys commies.

Christopher Reed
Christopher Reed

Communism is not an economic system , but also an idealogy.
Yes.
And if the government has to enforce shit it's already bad.
Or the people could willingly agree to do it, but I get your point. You're saying people in general are not like that which is true.
Also talented people would be punished and lazy people would get rewarded.
No, real communism advocates for Pareto Optimal outcomes and not rewarding the lazy by punishing the talented.

Colton Barnes
Colton Barnes

programmed by liberal arts dropouts
Yes please.

Henry Robinson
Henry Robinson

Name a successful country on capitalism
Every relevant country is capitalist kek
Name one, explicitly.

Lucas Baker
Lucas Baker

1) Communism advocates for central planning, which then causes starvation. They are inseparable.
2) Capitalist liberal democracy does not perform systematic ideological purges with death camps or orchestrate deliberate famines for cental plannings convenience.
3) All wealth has a backing dumbass, and its done by GDP, not dollars, which IS applicable to a communist society.
4) Capitalism rewards people based on merit and work, whereas communism only benefits the party

So fuck off dumbass

Jack Flores
Jack Flores

No, real communism advocates for Pareto Optimal outcomes and not rewarding the lazy by punishing the talented.
BOSS KNOWS BEST BOIS

Charles Wood
Charles Wood

No, because they had bunkers everywhere and one million militiamen. They were also German and worked and traded with the Reich, as it was their right as a neutral country.

Grayson Ortiz
Grayson Ortiz

Central planning committee.
Not decentralised networks
eww
Democratic elections to replace corrupt planners.
Having large elections as opposed to small local scale ones
eww

Awww, just when I was having fun answering your questions, you had to resort to a strawman and call it a hard mode question. The answer is simple, there has been no real communist state because by definition communists care for their fellow human beings and all we have in history are power hungry individuals who sought to overthrow the government by using communistic ideology to dupe people.
This last one is pure trash.

Bentley Wright
Bentley Wright

Because a self-identified capitalist country doesn't fit in with your narrow definitions, it's not capitalist and is in fact communist because of some narrow tie to a concept you associate only with communism you are right?
hehehehe. Well, at least people are going from capitalist countries are successful to the definition of capitalism is too narrow for modern countries. Good times.

James Moore
James Moore

Knew there was something odd about you, acting all reasonable the whole thread. Must just be because you got like 9/10 meme responses right?

However, it's failed, always, in the long run.
Would you agree that part of this long term failure is that rapid industrialization at the expense of say.....killing people in labour camps leads to a great boost initially that inevitably runs our of steam or something else?

Aiden Bennett
Aiden Bennett

Steam engine

Michael Hernandez
Michael Hernandez

Dude, you live in the most successful country on the face of the earth and it is unabashedly capitalist.
Wait wait. Oh, here it is
Enjoy.

Samuel Nguyen
Samuel Nguyen

Communism is dumb. Equality is a myth. Fairness is not everyone receiving what they need but what they earn. An individual workers labour is worthless without a boss, who is worth the aggregate of his employees if we wanna be "fair"

this kills the communist

John Lopez
John Lopez

Dude, me calling out your bullshit reasoning is not me agreeing with you.

Leo Miller
Leo Miller

Merica
Ahahah. Eke. Now I em aving fun. Blease, keeb boing :DDD

Nolan Kelly
Nolan Kelly

USA
Netherlands (We got rich from the sea trade)
Germany
Zwisterland

Chase Lee
Chase Lee

spanish black mestizos
that's the entire latinoamerica, where are you livin. I didn't know brasil was white

Daniel Peterson
Daniel Peterson

There is no money in the communist society

Zachary Bailey
Zachary Bailey

This is gold.

Nothing is true capitalism and capitalism have never been tried.

Adrian Brown
Adrian Brown

Central planning committee.
Not decentralised networks
Yasss mate, slay! Drink a scooner out of a plugger for me because you're killing it dazza.

Grayson Jones
Grayson Jones

That's a pretty dodgy criteria because everything came form simple tools and people eating food etc.
Correct, and so it's unfair to give capitalism all the credit for technological advancements - which in turn have raised the standard of living for all giving people an illusory impression that it's capitalism that's brought people out of poverty.
Everything can be linked because it is a progression, time is a line and lines can be traced forward and back....that doesn't deny that in certain environments like one with the creative and commercial freedom of Capitalism that people weren't able to come up with brilliant ideas and get the resources to create them.
And I was saying that capitalism really just built on what came before. If we didn't have capitalism, then perhaps we would have Cred Forums in 2300, but we'd get there eventually because like you said technological march is slow but steady.

So I find it absurd to say that capitalism brings people out of poverty. If anything, it just accelerates the advancement of technology giving people the impression that they're no longer poor.

However, it's ABSOLUTELY TRUE that we work more hours today for the comforts we enjoy. So studies on poverty almost always discount that because if they included that, then we'd see that things haven't changed much for a long time. We have a higher standard of living, yes, but we also work more now - a lot lot more.

Elijah Torres
Elijah Torres

....and then without price signals how do you know where to allocate resources, using what criteria and for the benefit of whom?

Blake Lee
Blake Lee

Central planning committee.
So then they are dictating policy over the proletariat, ergo making them, by definition, bourgeoisie.

Democratic elections to replace corrupt planners.
Right, because that's always been a flawless, foolproof system to ensure corruption never takes place. Look at our current American republic and see how well this idea has actually worked out in practice. Also, what happens if an elected official wants to abolish communism and is democratically elected? What then?

Term limits
You didn't answer the question. Term limits have nothing to do with their position as bourgeoisie, only their time served in power as bourgeoisie. Also, term limits don't stop corruption. Especially in closed societies which Communism requires to operate.

All members of the economy communicate their preferences to the central planner and the central planner determines the PARETO OPTIMAL resource allocation based on these preferences.
So the bourgeoisie class determines for the proletariat. Makes sense. Also, how is this different from a legislative branch in a republic and how can the proletariat prevent these people from implementing systems they DON'T want within their time of a specific term limit?

Democratic elections.
See the point above about term limits. This does nothing but enforce the notion of a ruling class above the proletariat.

Cont...

Grayson Long
Grayson Long

Look, I really want to know which part of america may crash makes it not successful, look at it now, it's great, just because everything can go wrong doesn't mean that it's a failure. Actually it's only a failure if it fails, so until it crashes for whatever reason it's successful.

Brody Howard
Brody Howard

Yours, mine, Krauts, Brits...

Plenty of choices.

Juan Richardson
Juan Richardson

Democratic Elections
Those always work to stop corruption
Look, anti-commie fags argue that there's no way to stem corruption so I say democratic elections. You guys sperg out on that as well - then nothing can truly be non-corrupt including capitalism.

Jose Jackson
Jose Jackson

this is what real weaponized autism looks like

Brody Brooks
Brody Brooks

Why don't you stop being a faggot and define "successful"?
We all know why: communists are so tinydick insecure about their own religious beliefs in an all-knowing magical benevolent state that they just dance around questions and changing definitions as they please.
You are just a postmodern sheep and you know it, so just kys.

Connor Lopez
Connor Lopez

Yes, you get the point.

Now, since no matter who is in charge, he will be corrupt, what is the best? To let a small number of people taking all the decisions or to let people make their own choices?

Jaxson Adams
Jaxson Adams

Can you please give me one example of capitalism failing that wasn't caused by over Taxation and regulation overload?
Sure, but first, why don't you name a capitalistic country that was successful and then I'll refer you to the wiki page that shows just how many times the U.S. has been in recession since 1776.

Asher Watson
Asher Watson

Didn't you read our commie friend? >Planners ask the population
???
Optimization achieved, no need for prices

Adrian Lewis
Adrian Lewis

it's unfair to give capitalism all the credit
That's fair enough.
However, it's ABSOLUTELY TRUE that we work more hours today for the comforts we enjoy
Which is a strange aspect to gauge and study. Like how many studies have been done on how cheap it would be to live comfortably according to 1800s standards? Like food, shelter, no electricity or whatever? How many studies have been done showing living standards rising and work hours reducing though? (which was evident in the 19th century) but we've seen some crazy trends recently of things becoming worse.

We have a higher standard of living, yes, but we also work more now - a lot lot more.
Do you mean in regards to go from, working the fields in the growing seasons, picking them then having the winter off etc as opposed to working 48 weeks a year or what not? Or something else?

Benjamin Wilson
Benjamin Wilson

No answers what a surprise.

Jace Roberts
Jace Roberts

name one successful capitalist country.
America.
ignores the fact that it's capitalist thefore ins't successful.
Sorry but I fail to undestand your logic.
user said America, so I countered that we no longer have an economy because of the petrodollar. I didn't say America and that much should be obvious. But then again, you're Brazilian, so I'll give you a pass this time.

Elijah Ward
Elijah Ward

Yes, he finally understands!

Xavier Jenkins
Xavier Jenkins

Google don't tell me what job to do, what to eat ans where to sleep.
Not directly no. It's more subtle now since even stupid Frenchmen don't like being told what to do in their lives.

David Garcia
David Garcia

76 post by this ID
truly a insane lefist

Gabriel Wilson
Gabriel Wilson

ask the population
LOL which post was that sorry? I've dealt with the same memes when the Zeitgeist movement/Venus Project was a think
people will just submit what they want into a computer system

Tyler Richardson
Tyler Richardson

rocket science.
The fucking Soviet Union sent a satellite into space before the US. Even then, they took a backward feudal country and made it send a rocket into space, before the US

Before the US.

Elon Musk is running communist tech. He even bought old Proton rockets to build his own on.

Let that sink in.

David Reyes
David Reyes

What if the guys at the central planing comitee decide that they need a datcha but I can sleep in a dormitory?
What? Did you mean to say that you don't want to sleep in a dormitory?
With democratic elections come democratic reforms.
Yeah, I should have been more clear here. By democratic elections, I mean members of the central planning committee are elected and they don't place themselves there like the Bolsheviks.

Hudson Sullivan
Hudson Sullivan

we no longer have an economy because of the petrodollar

American education

Liam Bennett
Liam Bennett

No, because they had bunkers everywhere and one million militiamen.
If you say so.

Josiah Wright
Josiah Wright

Central planning committee.
Not decentralised networks
eww
kek. To each his own.

John Bailey
John Bailey

He is funny as hell, tho

Joseph Long
Joseph Long

The point is that centralization will always lead to corruption. The solution to corruption is less centralization.

Kevin Wilson
Kevin Wilson

What if everyone ask for many things and you simply don't have enough?

What if everyone want to live in a nice, large house with a garden?
What if everyone want 2 vacations a year in distant lands?
What if everyone want a good car?
What if everyone want only the most expens... hard to make food?

How is shit decided? (I do not asked who decide but how they decide)

Thomas Allen
Thomas Allen

Explain to me how is Google indirectly telling me what job to do, what to eat and where to sleep.

I will wait.

Cooper Brown
Cooper Brown

Definitely an accomplishment, it's easier to focus a societies people and resources into a few goals at the expense of many others, with disastrous long term consequences and unforseen flow on effects. It's a pretty big deal we can't just ignore by taking a snipet and going "well that looks nice".

Leo Diaz
Leo Diaz

This made no sense.
If a constituency of the proletariat desires to have more of a specific resource for whatever reason, how does the communist system ensure that these constituents get what they demand from the governemnt? If this contingency is in opposition to most of the other proletariat, how does the government address their demands and acknowledge their autonomy while at the same time going against the will of a large portion of the other proletariat. Case in point: If one group of the proletariat demands more grain because they are farmers/ranchers and must feed their cattle/oxen, but the rest of the proletariat refuses to cede this extra grain for fear of a food shortage, how does the system account for the needs of the farmers vs. the needs of the larger proletariat?

I'm not sure what you're asking here, but I'll take a shot in the dark - dice roll?
At the end of the day, it's a simple question. How do ensure equality of outcome when your populace has a number of different concerns, struggles, morals, beliefs, etc.which are in conflict with each other and are vying for all of the same resources which you, as a communist government, are to provide for? At the end of the day, it necessitates the trampling and subjugation of some proletariat to benefit the other, thereby turning the system into tyranny.

Awww, just when I was having fun answering your questions, you had to resort to a strawman and call it a hard mode question. The answer is simple, there has been no real communist state because by definition communists care for their fellow human beings and all we have in history are power hungry individuals who sought to overthrow the government by using communistic ideology to dupe people.
MUH REAL COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED meme.
Pathetic. It's also not a strawman, considering it's been historically proven to be the defining factor of every communist government so far implemented.

Blake Murphy
Blake Murphy

Did you mean to say that you don't want to sleep in a dormitory?
I guess it's better than the Gulag, so I won't say no to the cuckshed and the guys at the comité will have their datcha.

Carson Edwards
Carson Edwards

Stop lying. You didn't wait in line for shit. You shouldn't be even posting here.

Gavin Garcia
Gavin Garcia

Must just be because you got like 9/10 meme responses right?
Pic related
Would you agree that part of this long term failure is that rapid industrialization at the expense of say.....killing people in labour camps leads to a great boost initially that inevitably runs our of steam
Yeah, no this is true. You kill people and lower morale and propaganda is no longer effective. The soviets sucked at achieving Pareto Optimal outcomes since they believed communism is where everyone is equal. However, communism only advocates for increased efficiency via central planning. So to be really precise, no communist country has really been communist. They've only been idiots. Real communism would require tremedous computational abilities and entities like Google and Facebook keeping a constant track of user preferences.

Levi Brooks
Levi Brooks

You know all that technology was developed in Germany, right?
You know the USSR had their own paperclip project but in gulags, right?
The USSR sending rockets in space while half of the country starved to death and the other half was enjoying the gulag lifestyle doesn't show success, only that communism is good to steal ideas with a gun pointing at somebody's head.

John Morris
John Morris

g e t f u c k e d

Jacob Bailey
Jacob Bailey

Here, this guy is amazing
The simple outline of the proof is that everyone in the economy communicates their preferences to the central planner and based on the preferences of all individuals, the central planner determines the pareto optimal allocation.

Since prices in markets are an indirect way of signaling the preferences of individuals in the economy, simply communicating one's preferences to the planner is sufficient.

James Scott
James Scott

You can ask wikipedia, or anyone if you want. Switzerland is a country made of hills and high mountains and in WWII it was literally a Marginot surface. Hitler had the UK and Russia to deal with, sent his troops in Africa and Norway and had to occupy all Europe. He couldn't spare two million mens to invade a non strategic neutral country.

Kevin Hernandez
Kevin Hernandez

reply to this post or this will happen to you

Blake Hill
Blake Hill

Aussie shitposters trying to reclaim their mantle as king of shitposts once again.

Tyler Ramirez
Tyler Ramirez

Not true communism, remember.

You don't want the death camps to be associated with communism, now, do you?

Camden Cook
Camden Cook

1)
communism centrally plans things by redistributing goods, therefore it exists within a centrally planned method
2)
In communism people die far more than in capitalism and true capitalist countries have the lowest rates of starvation.
3)
Even if communist countries refuse to use dollars does not mean that things have innate value that is attributed by the use of dollars. To think that all money exists because of oil is fucking retarded.
4)
Capitalism doesn't have to be fair to work, thats what you communist brainlets don't understand. Just because someone has more than you doesn't mean some injustice has been done to you. There is a lot of wealth movement in capitalistic countries, you can come from the bottom and be put there. Just because life is hard doesn't mean that someone put you there.

William Hall
William Hall

Boss knows best!

Angel Martinez
Angel Martinez

No according to communist retards communist claimed they did it all on their own and Germans totally contributed nothing.
You can trust them commies would never just make up shit and lie and steal.

Christian Perry
Christian Perry

where's 5) tho?

Landon Smith
Landon Smith

You are aware, I hope that all rocket in the world are modified V2, a nazi tech?

You are aware that Russia had to use the knowledge of Nazi Germany in order to start the space race and the US had to place a Nazi in charge of a half Nazi team in order to get to the moon?

Ayden Powell
Ayden Powell

Steam engine
By James Watt? Are we considering Monarchist economies as capitalists now?
Either way, steam engines used the centrifugal governers which were invented by Huygens and advanced by Watt. If you say the dutch economy in the 17th century was capitalist, then practically every economy in history has been capitalist.

Julian Morgan
Julian Morgan

didn'treadlol

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

Best post so far
Real communism would require tremedous computational abilities and entities like Google and Facebook keeping a constant track of user preferences
Damn It commie, hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahg

Liam Sanchez
Liam Sanchez

Communism is dysgenic.

Oliver Price
Oliver Price

Or are you one of those retards who believes a job in STEM is a real job?

Kind of ironic you are posting this on a computer with a straight face.

Wyatt Miller
Wyatt Miller

Netherlands (We got rich from the sea trade)
What happened? Are you no longer rich? And please, no country with such a high tax rate can be considered capitalist since it has strong government intervention. I mean for you and the Danes, the tax money must go somewhere and it doesn't go to the capitalists now does it?
Germany
Ignores that allied countries gave Germany their industrial lines to help Germany recover and pay reparations - but German is capitalist
Zwisterland
Already countered. Go home.

Henry Wood
Henry Wood

Nothing is true capitalism and capitalism have never been tried.
But when communists say that, they're bonkers?

Caleb Butler
Caleb Butler

Die commie scum.

Jose Morgan
Jose Morgan

Communism is just a retarded dead meme. You cant prove this wrong.
its a nazi

Kevin Carter
Kevin Carter

Die commie!

Mason Reed
Mason Reed

Jesus, can you on the far left stop changing the meaning of words all the time?

Nothing is Communism, nothing is Capitalism, nothing is Anarchy, nothing is Socialism, nothing is Islam...

If you say the dutch economy in the 17th century was capitalist, then practically every economy in history has been capitalist.
Well...

What point of modern capitalism is lacking in all the other form of capitalism?

David Brown
David Brown

This is solved by rotating people in power via elections and term limits.

So the people with absolute power are going to give it up due to elections rather than stay in power... its not like kim jungy has been sytematically killing off his own siblings to stay in absolute power. The reason we have democracy is so that no one has absolute power, this is why Trump isn't a fascist and commies are.

Dominic Hill
Dominic Hill

people die in capitalism too.

Not by the millions at the hands of their own government retard lmfao, you truly are desperate

Carter Ross
Carter Ross

simply communicating one's preferences to the planner is sufficient.
If you are interested in this sort of thing I would really recommend reading both Mises and Hayek's calculation problems that address planning in theory, in practice and from two different angles of why it is either impossible or disastrous.

Mises argues that they cannot calculate whatsoever (but his argument is extremely nuanced, it's hard to simplify, part of it is also the impossibility of deciding which of a million variations for the same goal to choose), Hayek argues that even with advanced computers and people communicating their preferences to planners that due to the preferences and information changing over time that; 1. Central planners can NEVER get enough information to make good decisions, 2. what information they do get will be useless by the time they collect it and a heap of other reasons.

This issue cannot be simplified because it has been deconstructed and reconstructed a thousand different ways between capitalists and socialists debating eachother for almost a century now.

Solutions that appear "good enough" or "simple" just don't cut it and even the marxist economists for the most part had to admit this, go back to the drawing board and make variations and concessions.

Even companies gathering data on peoples past actions is great for trying to find products they are more likely to want or to take action to buy but this tail end lagging indicator can't be used to decide what is produced, with what and why vs what alternatives.

Luis Jones
Luis Jones

You missed the point.

The guy saying that nothing is capitalism was a commie. He just can't stand the fact that every successful country in history was capitalist.

Nathan Jackson
Nathan Jackson

He only pretends to be the rational mind un this thread, but then he shitpost like everyone else

Adrian Hill
Adrian Hill

Monarchist economies

Describe what a monarchist economy is, please. I really want to laugh at your mental gymnastics.

Jaxon Perez
Jaxon Perez

reddit meme esta muerto aweonao. chileno weon que aun cree en teorias conspirativas de gringos culiaos. judios y comunistas jamas seran vencidos amirite?

Justin Sullivan
Justin Sullivan

I want to point the potato famine, but it was really just the inhumanity of the eternal Anglo.

James Roberts
James Roberts

love how commies will always violently defend communsim with action but if you ask them to explain themselves they say "hey wow don't take it so seriously"
grow some fucking balls man

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

this

Jose Jones
Jose Jones

preferences change

Camden Rodriguez
Camden Rodriguez

Kek this faggot needs to understand first what money is

Camden Smith
Camden Smith

Top kek: OP is fucking Zuckerberg

Matthew King
Matthew King

Yep and that’s why places like Venezuela and Brazil are the way they are right now, fucked up by shitty government lead by commies and black cunts

Easton Reyes
Easton Reyes

Brazil is commie?

Adam Lewis
Adam Lewis

Audible kek

Joshua Hall
Joshua Hall

C-Communism is great! It's fantastic! Nobody ever tries to risk death and flee from their proud communist homes! REEEEEEEEEEEE!

Isaiah Johnson
Isaiah Johnson

Right, because that's always been a flawless, foolproof system to ensure corruption never takes place.
So capitalism is not flawless either then? Hey if you want to irrationally hate communism, I'm not going to stop you.

Ian Thomas
Ian Thomas

CIA propaganda, they totally built flimsy water craft, filled them with captured brown people and then photographed them drowning.....

Ian Gutierrez
Ian Gutierrez

wtf. yep cuz latinoamerican educations foor the poor hasn't been precarized by capitalism. cuz black once arrived in LatinoA were given the same shit as white europeans. yep cuz they have always have the same money and money doesn't buy better educations. yep, yep the fault inherently has the blacks and commies yep yep READ YOUR FUCKING HISTORY FILho daP UTA

Joseph Peterson
Joseph Peterson

Look, I really want to know which part of america may crash makes it not successful
We have trade balance in only food and petroleum. That means we have surpluses only in food and petroleum. The only reason the other sectors haven't crashed is because of the petrodollar - other countries have to sell us shit to get dollars to buy their oil.
ook at it now, it's great, just because everything can go wrong doesn't mean that it's a failure.
Recessions are economic failures. Communism never came out of recessions because once they got into one, the country dissolved. Non-commie capitalist states go into recessions repeatedly and people think everything's ok even though it isn't.

Isaiah Long
Isaiah Long

Yours, mine, Krauts, Brits...
Hahahaha. Krauts and Brits - where were you during the Austerity Measures due to the Greek Debt crisis? Hahahaha. Where are you right now during Brexit when England is trying to stay afloat? Hahahahaha.
Plenty of choices.
You need them too.

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