Dragon Quest IV: Chapters of the chosen

I can't even read DS 4 to know if it's boring or not.

Can you give some example of JRPGs you do like, then?

I'd understand if you didn't like JRPGs in general, but DQ4 is a classic and calling one of the grandfathers of JRPGs generic leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Is English your second language or were you just never a very good reader? The accents were kind of annoying I guess but I played through all of DS IV and never had a problem understanding them and I don't get why people bitch about them so much

They were pretty bad, especially in the opening chapter. Having to stop and decipher everything ruins the game flow.

>He doesn't know it's a port of a remake

I have a reading disorder, actually. All the accent games had some things I couldn't read, but 4 definitely had the highest volume by a noticeable margin. I literally can't read portions of it unless someone else tells me what's being said.

My problem with them is that they're not written well. They're just there to be there with no concern for how well they flow when you're actually reading them. Most writers would at least use accents in a way that compliments the words OR are actually fun to decipher.

It's amazing how defensive DQ babies are and how many lame playbook excuses they have any time anyone doesn't like DQ.

>hurr its just not 4 u mebe u don liek jay arpeegees its ok 4 teh sequels 2 b generic bcuz DQ1 wuz teh furst jrpg

ps. I like DQ, this shit just tickles my pickle

>6 is my favourite
>everyone ranks it low
Finally got around playing 1, surprisingly solid and fun to play. Just got to Alefgard on 2, does the male cousin ever actually get strong?

Not particularly. Princess and Hero are the ass kickers, he's just your extra.

It's not a matter of "starting slow"

They're just shit-tier games.

For the record, Trails in the Sky is my favorite game ever. So I don't mind "slow starts"

Dragon Quest IV engine was made from the ground up and is not a port of the PS1 game.

You're an idiot.

Trails games are just shitty DQ

>Trails games are just shitty DQ
WOW This might be the most retarded statement I've ever seen on Cred Forums, congratulations retard

This. The dialects weren't written with the reader in mind. They were written to emulate voice acting. Which means they don't follow the rules of traditional writing. Which it should be obvious when they use completely made up words to create what a word 'sounds' like when said.

Yes. He gets so strong that he kills himself.

No, seriously, use every seed you get on him. He's the worst party member in the DQ series.

>New engine
>only differences are a few touched up 3D assets and the menus
>Everything else is the same
Yeah man and Twilight Princess HD is totally a remake.

There's absolutely 0 reason why Dragon Quest should have stopped being Dragon Quest just because everyone else was trying to be Dragon Quest circa 1987~1994.

And yes, Dragon Quest isn't for everyone. If you don't like a video game then it isn't for you.

How exactly are those excuses?

I'm playing VII, Do I need to give the Ancient tome to the Woodcutter? Or it's entirely someone else?

Old guy on the left of the castle town. Go down the stairs.

Doesn't the "Info" option in the menu tell you?

There's some stairs outside in Estard, guy's in the basement of the house at the end of that tunnel.

Guess that means they did a really good job, fag

>I think its a port so therefore it is!
Yup. Totally don't recognize this guy. Please go ahead and start ranting about Sugiyama again with all your 'facts'.

>DQ
>Shit tier

DQ is mid-tier at best
Most games are just decent to good

>DQ
>Snorefest

I consider DQ and SMT as the best classic JRPGs because I feel that I'm actually playing instead reading walltext about a shitty character backstory that nobody cares just to have forced feels in its "emotional death"

>all these faggots that don't know the difference between a remake and port

Let's have a quiz.
What is the game in this link below: a remake or port?
youtube.com/watch?v=sRSXLyCJAG0

the battle music in 4DS is the catchiest shit ever, i love it

youtube.com/watch?v=kO4YnLJvSSg

I'm kind of feeling the same with VII on the 3ds. I really want to like it, but at this point I'm kind of just forcing myself to play. I'm 8 hours in, and while I know this is earliest of the early game when it comes to DQ the combat being shallow as fuck is kind of annoying me a little bit. All monsters are pretty much the same, and the bosses are just them with more health or maybe an aoe attack.

Story wise, it's been just the little stories in the islands, but the major point so far has been non existent pretty much. I'll keep trying tomorrow, I don't want to force too much and end up absolutely hating the game because of it.

It's the Mario of RPG nowadays. They're well balanced simple games that are easy to jump into and talk about with others.

Back in the day it pioneered a lot of shit like changing classes or monster collection, and in of itself being one of the first console gamer RPGs, even if it was just casualized ultima/Wizardry.

Chaptas of da chosen!? Oy vey! Dats antisemitism!

Kill yourself.

You hate the reason why JRPGs are laid out the way they are? Okay, so you don't like JRPGs. Simple as that.

>You hate JRPGs if you don't like Dragon Quest
This is fucking autism to the extreme.

End your life.

Edgy, bro. Not my fault you don't like JRPGs.

Speaking of catchiest shit, there is nothing worst than the ACTUAL catchiest shit being treated like shit.
>Brave Fight only used like 3 times the entire game, and only for one actual fight
>isn't used for the four major demon fights, just mudo 2.0
>this has never once been rectified

DQ4 is classic and essential DQ, maybe the series isn't for you

>8 hours in
You haven't seen shit.

>the sailing theme
best song in the damn series
youtube.com/watch?v=3GLT2rpQFsI

Not him but when does it get good?

Also god dang battles in first person>>>>rd person

>implying implications
youtube.com/watch?v=70WGym3hKxI

I see your point. If these games are what started it all then that explains it. It seems to have the basic mechanics of a jrpg but nothing much else, at least so far.

We are playing different games but yeah... I also feel the bosses are just the same monsters with more health on DQIV.

I prefer 6's sailing theme but this is nice as well. Nice how they used part of it in the DQIX sailing theme.

you fucked up, ds version of dq4 is missing party chat because they didn't feel like translating it.
60% of the game's text and and personality is gone.

>generic
>each party member has their own storyline where you play as them
>loli wolverine
>you literally get to play as an item shop salesman

You should start with 5 or 8

>playing VII for the first time
>about 18 hours in
>get to the part where Kiefer gets left behind and you find his grave in the future
>sad/disappointed
>next island has a casino and alltrades abby
>fucking finally something positive
>make the short walk to the vocation dude
>Spend a couple of minutes looking up the vocation chart to decide what to make everyone
>settle on some stuff and ask the guy for the first job
>"Sure just walk up to the water"
>ayy lmao jk, it's a trap! All your spells and abilities are gone and you're also stranded in some shithole town. Enjoy a gauntlet of multiple bosses without access to any of your built up skills if you wanna proceed
Please tell me I can at least recruit the next two party members soon?

I feel extremely retarded right now. But is the hermit in the house on the other side?

...

Yeah, but there isn't a forced death scene every 2 hours and tons of Game of Thrones level grit and blood! So obviously its made for babies.

Jesus did you even read his post?

Funny, I just started playing this for the first time and have been really enjoying it.

Dragon Quest is fairly generic. If you are looking for a series with a lot of flashiness or some sort of attractive visual style, this isn't the series for you. Most of the problems you run into and resolve end up being local concerns - saving some kids in a village or kicking some bad guy out of a castle - with the worldwide threat only being something you dead with at the end of the game. You're not chasing some bad guy threatening to destroy the planet with each step; you're roaming around and encountering groups of people who need you to be the hero, all while finding clues to the powerful weapons or items you require to do that world-saving.

I enjoyed it because it relied on me wandering around and on me remembering the bits of lore to locate what I needed, although that only really comes up in the 5th chapter about 10 hours into the game. It also doesn't tell me where to go, just where the problem is and where some solutions are. If I want to just skip the bullshit and tackle the problem? I'm free to do that. Far too many other JRPGs decide to just hand-hold me through a bunch of dialogue and cutscenes and lengthy hallways, and assume they must throw enough encounters at you so that the next boss won't be too difficult.

I've already seen all the flash and the cutscenes, and so yet another one doesn't impress me much. I'd much rather have a bland or generic world that is nonetheless interesting to poke around in and see what you can do, over a flashy and visually impressive world where everywhere is dull as dishwater except the one route the game wants you to take.

You have no idea how far this rabbit hole goes. You are at the hardest point in the game. And you have hours before you even get to go back to the main island, let alone new party members.

>you walk in to Pike telling the bunnygirl to touch his dick

How the hell did they get away with that in this day and age?

This is actually where I quit the game on my PS1. I was apparently underleveled and didn't have the gold or items, much less the stats, to even take out the first pair of bosses. Faced with either grinding for hours (with no inn, relying on a in-battle use item for healing) or restarting the game from the beginning, I pretty much gave up at that point.

Good luck, user.

Does VII ever stop being monster of the week? That type of story is very shallow. I can't watch shows that follow that formula, even less play a 80+ hour game, specially when the combat is nothing special, and it's really not.

I'm not dropping the game just yet, but if the story AND the combat are shallow all the way, then there is only so much I can take.

>inb4 angry fans throwing shit at me instead of discussing

I doubt anyone even played this 100+ hour game. They just took Nitnendo's word for it being acceptable. If they were serious and checked the game, it probably would have gotten a Teen rating.

Is it just me or does Dragon Quest VII for 3DS seem to have more stable framerate when you have 3D on?
It seems kinda choppy sometimes without it on.
Anyone else think this/have this issue? I'm playing on a New 3DS XL btw.

There are some story arcs which focus on humans and not monsters. I would suggest a game like Dragon Quest VIII if you want more of a focus on humans however. Or the whole Suikoden series.

Monster of the week, villain of the week, doesn't really change much. The point is not about being human or not, the point is being shallow, short stories that stand alone and have almost no connection to each other.

It's probably lower, but a more consistent lower. The game does have popin, since it IS a three year old 3DS game.

What the fuck is with so many old 3DS games getting localization lately anyway?

>Little Battlers
>Yokai Watch
>Layton vs. PW
>River City
>DQVII

SOMEONE had to see it, it's in the first hour. It's optional, but still.

What level should I be when I get there?

Then Dragon Quest is not the series for you. The game focuses on small story arcs as the focus. Not one overwhelming threat. But come on, even when a game like Final Fantasy has one big enemy, they hardly focus on them either. You're still going from town to town doing totally unrelated things, then following some bait and switch bad guy. Until 5 hour before the game ends, you figure out who the real antagonist is. At least Dragon Quest has more interesting stories than 'follow Yuna around and maybe fight stuff'.

If you're under 25, don't even try to play Dragon Quest. It's not for you.

...

level 5 has notoriously slow localization, especially for layton.
same as dragon quest games
>mfw we will never get the DQ 3ds spinoffs

I bought this because a friend kept urging me to. He fucking loves the game.

I'm expecting to hate it. I tried 8 and thought it was okay but mostly boring. These games seem to get a free pass because of nostalgia.

Two of those I know are by Level 5, and as a avid Layton boy those fucks are slow to do anything.

They're so damn slow I was worried we wouldn't get Little Battlers because they didn't say anything when Season 1 aired. Luckily we got it with Season 2.

Shame we're not getting the other LB games. THEY SURE SEEM HELL BENT ON GIVING US THE YOKAI WATCH GAMES THOUGH.

Level 5 doesn't localize games. A third party team does. And Level 5 has nothing to do with the 3DS spin offs.

If Dragon Quest VII sells more than expected however, SquareEnix might rush out the other overlooked 3DS games.

Nintendo hates America, duhh. And anything that smells like a JRPG that isn't Pokemon is terrifying to Reggie.

While I would love to play Joker 3 I really mostly just want to play Rocket Slime.

I liked IX with it's side stories, will I like VII?

Sounds like actual party members now too

>What the fuck is with so many old 3DS games getting localization lately anyway?
3DS seems to be close to the end of its lifetime, and so localizers are no doubt rushing to get the games out while it's still popular and fresh in everyone's minds. Once the NX Portable or whatever is on the market, people will have turned in their 3DS in exchange for the new toy and there won't be as many sales for 3DS games anymore.

Yeah, most likely.

Level 5 opened up a western branch for the purpose of localizing their games. And they do localization for Layton mostly, but they also did LBX and YW.

Probably. VII is a series of mini-stories that cumulate into a larger grand story over time. Just expect a TON of feels man. The game does a good job at making you feel like absolute shit.

God fucking DAMN that garden arc...

Alright so the story is shallow then. Not the biggest of deals as long as the combat is engaging.

So far the combat has been pretty much a "spam main attack" deal, with bosses bringing absolutely nothing to the table besides having more health. Needless to say, the combat is also very shallow, but 10 hours is pretty early. How does it get later on?

Once you get to the point of changing classes, you'll see your battle options explode. And the need to learn new strategies to handle more powerful enemies.

Depending on how you play, that's about 20-30 hours in. Keep in mind the game is 100+ hours.

Alright, I guess I'll force myself to keep playing then.

Garden?

What's up with shitposters shitting up DQ threads lately?

Not the best to start out with. 5, 7, 8 and maybe 3 are the ones you want to start out with.

If you play 3 first, you'll have to know a little about 1 and 2, since they're tied together. I heard you could just play 3 and get the gist of 1 and 2 out of it.

>people discussing the game
>some guy shows up out of nowhere complaining about shitposters
What are you even talking about exactly?

4 is best.

DQ has a modest popularity. Therefore someone has to get angry.

I like 4. Alena is a good girl.

Dragon Quest is popular enough to breed contrarian hate. We've finally hit the general market!

I started with a much older 'jrpg' progenitor, Ultima 2/3/4, which dragon quest was a direct copy of

all these games featured gameplay concepts which have already been fully integrated into more complex games

you can't go back and enjoy the classics because these mechanics are no longer exciting on their own. for example, when DQ3 came out, the idea that a monster could summon another monster was INCREDIBLY fresh, now that's just a boring bit of grinding

just enjoy the music, and if you aren't having fun leveling up your little stat boxes, then just listen to the music and move on

DQ4 has ragnar and gypsy dance, 2 of the best DQ songs

Dragon Quest was literally the first JRPG.
Okay, not the first Japanese RPG, sure, but it was the arguably the first of the distinct subgenre of RPGs called JRPGs, as opposed to just RPGs made in Japan, because its basic design was massively copied by countless other Japanese RPGs to form the JRPG subgenre.

Not only that but DQIV was originally released for the fucking Famicom/NES in 1990, so it was still one of the earliest and simplest examples. No shit it's going to feel generic.

Has anyone seen if there's a guide for Dragon Quest VII/ Not the old PS1 guide which I own, but a new one. I probably don't need it, but want to get one to complete my collection. And for easy reference to class skills.

It'll be stupid if this is the first DQ game not to have a guide. Even Dragon Quest VI got a guide.

>contrarian hate
Do fanboys just turn off their brains or something?

Every time I see someone pointing out flaws in an educated manner fanboys just answer with something fucked up like such as that.

It popularized RPGs in Japan. While there were a few RPGs before that, they never sold well. Even business simulators sold better than RPGs on PC. It took a massive advertising campaign and putting it on the famicom for Dragon Quest to get popular.

Its okay to say its the first JRPG.

>if it's not muh epic supah long story of epic moments then it's "shallow"
Plotfags have brain problems.

>Ultima 2/3/4, which dragon quest was a direct copy of
I feel that you haven't played any of these games.

Probably because the majority of hate posted is blatantly false. Like the guy who has spent the last four days spamming a list of things that were supposedly removed from the game. But now that everyone has the game, they can see none of it is right except the synth music. So people just call him a troll.

What other legitimate complaints have you seen? Hell, we have a guy in this thread who has spent many posts talking about how he dislikes the story arcs and focus on monsters. And DQ fans didn't chew him out. They responded with many posts describing the formula of DQ games and agreeing that he probably won't like it.

well, I feel like Im over 40

feels bad man

DQ 3 and 4 were pretty revolutionary when they were released, but by today's standards they simply don't feel like they're doing anything new. Which is really unfortunate, because they're both really great games, even if they're a bit dated.

DQ 4 sort of suffers from the fact that they removed party chat, but instead gave you the option to control your whole party (which wasn't the case in the original). Sadly, some of the best aspects were involved with party chat.

You'll know it when you get to it.

>control your whole party (which wasn't the case in the original)
Really? That would be terrible. I couldn't imagine dealing with most fights without Kabuff stopping groups of monsters from ripping everyone's face off.

>focus on monsters
Not really on the subject of the post, but just to correct you I literally said that's not the issue. The issue is the "x of the week" part. Short shallow stories with no meaningful connection to each other, regardless of it being a monster or a human villain.

So, do the MC and Maribel end up together?

NES DQ4 AI was alright. The only annoying thing was Cristo love casting death spells against bosses. Outside that the AI was pretty good for the time.

And this is the answer of an angry fanboy who forgot to use his brain a long time ago. Basically, shitposting.

>there are two Dragon Quest threads on Cred Forums right now
holy shit
did hell freeze over?

I don't think I can enjoy any DQ game older than 8. DQ 8 was my first DQ game and it was really cozy. The soothing British accents, the gentle orchestrated music and the expansive world don't exist in the 2D games.

What is your favorite DQ track?
youtube.com/watch?v=265W7eCSIFI
A new DQ game came out in the west so yes.

Dunno, I've only played IX but I enjoyed it.

>Dragon Quest IV engine was made from the ground up and is not a port of the PS1 game.
I thought the DS games engine used the DW7 engine as a basis, same with the PS2 port of DQ5.

IV was a port, and then V and VI were made using that engine, yes.

>PS2 port
meant remake

It's bait.Stupid ass bait though. SMT plays way more like DQ than Trails does. Trails is more similar to the likes of the original Arc the Lad series or Grandia or even the rpg elements of Shining Force 2.

Trails has far superior position tactical based combat, especially the Cold Steel series. Trails doesn't resemble the classic Jrpgs at all save for Grandia 1 which is the only rpg series that's remotely similar. Trails is basically a Jrpg with a tactical strategy styled plot & world setting.

Dragon Quest is good, but it really is the comfort food of Jrpgs. It's main appeal is that it's comfy and nostalgic. The only reason why Trails ever gets compared to DQ is due to how both franchises have solid world-building.

Not all DQ games are similar to 7. 5,6 & 8 all have longer over-arching stories. It's only 7 & 9 that have a villain of the week approach and the first 3 didn't really have a story, just an overall end goal.

The problem is that DQ7 really isn't a good starting point for noobs to get into the series.
A modern remade version of DQ3 would be the best entry point because it played like the first 7th Dragon or an overhead Etrian Odyssey.

>IV was a port
well, not a direct port since the enemy sprites were fully animated in DS whereas they were only animated during attacks in PS1. the battle backgrounds were also changed, too, just looking at a direct comparison video.

DQV, VI and VIII still have the same issue he was complaining about. They still have small arcs of story that doesn't have to do with the main villain/story. You go to a kingdom and help a grieving king get over his dead wife, you go to an abbey and stop a monster from terrorizing the monks, you go to another kingdom and help the king's brat of a son hunt lizards, etc. All of these don't directly tie into the story of Rapthorne. But those characters you helped do help you with items and hints.

Psaro's model at the end was also changed.

I literally just beat him last night. Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give him SEVEN forms ?

I think he was the first final boss who did the This is not even my final form schtick or atleast the first rpg final boss who did it.

He was meant to be a test of endurance above all else, and was apparently the very first boss to do that sort of thing.

youtube.com/watch?v=KXEPCaeSTwA

Can someone recommend me an album/playlist on Spotify that goes perfect with the game? Love DQ's soundtracks but when I grind I listen to my own tunes. I love alternative, rap, and punk

All of Dragon Quests final boss fights are great honestly.

here u go

play.spotify.com/user/stupidfaggot/playlist/completelyshittymusic

The very first DQ game did that.

Guile's Theme.

youtube.com/watch?v=03tSCcvz7HM

youtube.com/watch?v=4FUxC5TZogQ

how is it that old DQ sprites look better than indie game sprites today?

because indie devs are hacks

>they can see none of it is right except the synth music
You know, it's still kind of weird about that.

siliconera.com/2013/02/06/dragon-quest-vii-producer-pushed-for-the-orchestral-score/

Apparently Sugiyama wanted a synth OST in the first place because he wasn't 100% the 3DS could output the quality good enough.

I doubt we'll ever get a full answer for this.

Did he originally turn into the dragon or was it his pet dragon? I seem to remember it was one and the localization changed it to the other

He is the Dragon Himself. He's literally called the Dragon Lord. After you defeat his humanoid form, he turns into the Dragon.