What went wrong Cred Forums?

the general is finally dying. suffering is over. the whores will leave and find another general to pester as our grind slowly crawls to a stop.

>[Pull the trigger with a ___ expression]

What game is that?

That image is a fantastic example of why I never even browse /vg/.

A complete lack of direction.

They had a strong start and looked good for a while. Now it is anybody's fuckin guess what they think they will accomplish with each passing addition of a needlessly grindy and hard to teach feature.

At this point the next THREE title updates could be 100% early game focused and they'd still fail to teach people enough.

Is that clusterfuck of a screencap collection supposed to back up your argument? /vg/ thinks that practically everything is a "HAPPENING" so their opinion is pretty invalid when it comes to things like this.

Was us she the only female without alien nano suit tits in the game!?!?!?!?!?!?!

What the hell is warbros?

Is this still a grindy piece of shit?

DE crashed their own servers after people where posting complains on the forums about yet another skin for a weapon no one uses after the first few start planets (but it requires you to be in a clan and have forma so you need to be much higher level than what it was intended for) while moderators were perma suspending accounts for saying a 4 letter word then muted entire chat channels.

Then they replaced the skin with mods no one in their right mind would use for any reason what so ever. It's like the equivalence of painting actual shit gold. More forum post are getting insta deleted by mods.

Finally the devs themselves go on to a stream saying "it's fine".

but this isn't bad because they have managed to top that with pic related.

it's getting worse with each "update"

...

Not enough farting.

I was there to witness RIOT and all that, but this skin? jesus christ, why?

warbros is a /vg/ group for warframe. they won first place in anything competetion/contest related to warframe, and the devs actively tried to do things to stop their never ending win streak.

Holy shit

Don't they play other games as well?

Ok i cant make sense of it. What is going on here?

They removed coptering

>freemium gaming

i played it when it first came out.
Guns were useless.. better to just use swords.
everything was an easy kill, no challenge, and teamwork only sped it up; i dont think i ever died or thought it was possible to die
i felt most of the grind came from the time it took to walk thru the maps
didnt feel like there were any rewards i cared about in playing

i hope it changed since then

things that are cool

>a couple of the frame designs e.g. excalibur, loki prime, nyx
>the abilities
>the movement system
>good mix of melee and guns

what's shit

>everything else

it has potential but it's a good idea in the hands of idiots

Nope.
Warbros was the most autistic number one clan in everything, most of the people fucked off like a year ago and it's now a shadow of its former glory.
DE actively did try to fuck them up but they weren't no saint eithers, part of their recruitment process including spamming the official forums with "WARBROS #1" meme shit

Neat movement mechanics but the level, enemy and mission design doesn't seem to utilize it, so the gameplay is just a generic shooter where you slide from one combat situation to the next. Enemies seem bullet spongey, but I didn't grind very far since I didn't really like the gameplay. Yes, I played in coop.

Does this stuff get better/different later on? I'd like to like this game.

Am I the only one that wants a sequel to dark sector over Warframe?

Yes, I know it got meh reviews, but I liked it.

>tfw I quit Warframe before Volt got buffed
Shame, I liked Electro Jesus

>spamming the official forums
Not spamming. The criteria was to make a completely normal post in completely serious response to some other post, and to add warbros #1 somewhere in it.

It was part of an ever-more-convoluted recruitment scheme that was used to weed out those that were serious from those who were just looking to join because Warbros was #1.

read this and for people don't understand this
DE hyped up a e3 panel and didn't tell use what it was going to be after holding back content for weeks. All that was played were 2 shitty videos. one we already knew about and knew it was going to bomb. the 2nd video was that sword skin that no one was looking forward to you. no one clapped on stream after those videos were played.

A few hours after that one of the dev release their content game plan saying they are going to split content up from the main update. "LESS WAIT MORE UPDATE". That whole update was promised to come out in june anyway to there's the first delay.

People found out that the pc gamer skin was just a logo texture wrapped with no effort at all. People were making post about it on the forums and of course mods deleted them.

What this picture doesn't tell you is lunaro was a complete failure and out of the 50k people this game only 1000 actually play it and it's just to cheese boost conclave xp for some skins.

the devs pushed the updates back again and giving the 3 part update a 4th part. it was a lack luster frame with a 20min script quest with already existing levels and shitty mods no one will use because one aura (corrosive projection) is absolutely needed play this game because of the shit scaling with armor and mob health.

It's currently mid September and we still haven't gotten any content. the last update was just a release of already existing weapons but with different skins. Oh yeah the dev literally this friday said that the update might not even make it for September. The main group of warframe content creators have already bailed and now DE is forced to use other youtubers like roosterteeth and angryjoe to shill their shit.

Sauce? Google search gives nothing

Yakuza 4

Coptering was stupid

Artist's name is Incase

What DO they do all day?

f2p

Steve literally just copies shit from other games
the last game was pokemon go with the candy system replacing the fusioncore system and now he won't shutup about hyper light drifter so maybe a dash drifting next

Fatfuck just drinks a day and nerfs anything with a remote amount of usefulness

everyone else is trying their best to keep the game from not being complete shit which is where the art, sound, and animation team have to be the whole back bone for this entire game.

I don't even play this game very much but even I could figure out that the updated solar map didn't actually add anything. All they did was make their existing content more linear.
It's also a pain in the ass to actually use.

If it didn't have xeno women in tight latex suits I seriously doubt anywhere as many people would play this game.
The gameplay isn't unique or special enough for it to stand out without them.

>not wearing a bra

What a whore.

I figured that, incase's work is pretty obvious. I was more wondering if you knew the name of the comic.

Is Sheldon still coming up with ways to make the grind worse?

it's a one-off image, user.

It's not a comic, he did a few random images of a trap cheerleader a couple years ago.

>candy system
wat?

>you will never be a part of warbros in its prime
I just want to know what gud feels like.

fusion cores got converted into a single currency. you still gotta pick them up, though. no idea why that user thinks they work any differently.

Not enough end game.

I only really played to MR12, but realized it's just grinding to make minor tweaks and improvements.

I come back for a month every year and have fun. Anymore than that is draining.

I remember spending hundreds of hours playing this game with my friends from build 7 to 10.something.

Tried it again earlier this year and I just couldn't stomach anything.

How do people keep playing?

no actually he has been doing the complete opposite. cuts us a break every now and then for example prime pressure point, which was never meant to come out, came out on the same week prime fury was available. before that he made getting on of the unvaulted primes easier to farm. made a 1% drop rate to like 90 something for few days before it was fixed. 1% in orokin derelict defense is absolute suffering.

No clear design process, they're constantly going sideways with development with revamping older things or adding new things that don't add a lot for people who've been playing for a while.

Found it, I sure do love incase's work

So a bunch of autists threw tantrums over a typo and devs kicked them instead of giving into their childish bullshit?

Good to see Devs with balls.

Level design used to use the movement a little more, but it's since been reduced significantly because people kept getting lost. This was also back when you could actually RUN on walls, but it took stamina.

I don't miss the lack of stamina, though, and between the double jump, bullet jump, bullet double jump, wall bullet jump, and so on, mobility's been significantly improved, but it's more like you're using your mobility because you want to, not because it's asked of you, and there's typically not a whole lot of benefit to doing so unless you're playing solo with substandard gear to hide or find some kind of cheap tactical cover.

In truth, how you described it is exactly how it used to be. At least in its early stages, that sort of fit as it all seemed designed with each other in mind. Now, there's so many separate systems and so much has been changed that enemies, for a long time, got left behind. In fact, they had to resort to cheaper and cheaper tactics to keep players from completely annihilating everything with ease, so the gameplay divide between enemies and players is even greater and more hacky.

I didn't mind the earlier days of grind. At least it was streamlined. While I do appreciate the greater diversity and utility of what players can do now, it's come at a cost of making the gameplay actually feel significantly less coherent.

REALLY early on, when DE was fairly bro with the Cred Forumsvg/ clan Warbros, Rebecca actually asked to see some of the Warframe porn we'd made.

It was a magical time back then.
It's sad to see the state of things now.

So not worse, but not better either then?

Basically the fusion cores all got replaced with fusion energy points. In truth, the end result isn't all that different from what we had before. In fact, any mods that only had part of the next level loaded up from fusion had all those points refunded, and now fusion is just a simple click to level up system instead of managing all your different mod cards. I actually think this is an improvement.

I have no idea what this means for fusing redundant mod cards together though.

He gives you a nice cold ice tea, some snacks, and a pat on the back while you keep digging a hole to no where as a 4 year slave of pure suffering.

Better than the old star map at least. You can actually see the paths again. I missed that.

The spectres of the solar rail can suck my dick but hey, I guess it's a gating mechanic.

Even with the grind the game was a ton of fun, that wasn't the problem for me.

The problem was when they changed the movement system and with it the last fun thing the game still had.

It was so fucking fun when the game came out of "beta" but since then they started changing everything for the sake of change and removing all the fun parts. Fuck DE and fuck Rebecca too.

Honestly, I hate the speed. I don't enjoy burning through levels at the speed of sound, I'd rather have to work as a team progressing to your objectives room by room.

that what raids are for but there are only 2 and they are buggy as fuck.

>big updated was supposed to come in after delays
>it's a fucking skin for an useless weapon
>has a typo on it
>devs tell people to riot
>people riot in chat
>masss bans and an entire region chat muted
>login system goes down at the same time a dev tells people to relog
>after the stupidity was fixed 2 usless mods get added.
>lies on top of lies
>"lel based devs show them how it is"

You can work together and still go fast

Also have been cool with that in mind to have more than just shoot to progress through. Couple guys pin the enemy down, another two hit consoles or something.

But it's just clean out room, crowd consoles or whatever, then speed as fast as you can till another door shuts on you.

the guy was fucking retarded, it's easier to hide post, and continue on.

How

Oxium

I miss when this game was about butts and going fast.

about the same time I stopped playing, have 1000 hr logged into this shit, why can't they just get it right?

>Butthurt over a typo

This is why they don't care about the players.

this, not end lelddit protected them at the time. everyone was in the same boat expect the dicksuckers trying to justify DE actions just for some goodgoy points

the oxium count use to be a lot higher before people complain and DE finally changed it

I meant the entire game, every level you all just run full speed to whatever the objective is sometimes killing along the way or until you get blocked by a door. I guess I just enjoy games like Swat4 more.

I understand it's space ninjas, just saying it's why I don't enjoy the game.

>Warframe abilities are now inherent, but with no significant reduction to mod slots
>No stamina
>Improved mobility options, in fact there's a new bullet/double jump combo that lets anyone essentially high-speed copter without needing a specific weapon
>Mod augments (some are better than others)
>New dedicated mod slot that lets you stick basic utility mods that you'd stick on most 'frames given the chance in with little issue
>The ability to unlock a customizable fifth ability that can carry over between 'frames
>Channel-based abilities are a thing now
>Ability selection is so much more diverse than it used to be, with any multitude of different effects that don't just boil down to "spam 4 to nuke everything and win"
>Melee has combos and isn't just a spam E repeatedly to do anything, although having to grind out very low chances of stances from very specific, rarely-appearing enemies is just another instance of grind within grind that DE is so well known for

The improvements have been many, and yet for every step forward, DE takes another step back.
>Have to grind out rare orokin materials to exchange for a new currency that can only be used at one dude who rarely ever shows up and has a random selection of junk that may on occasion include some of the more overpowered mods available in the game, if you're lucky

Admittedly I do like the syndicates though.

As for the base gameplay, Warframe's biggest flaw is that, at its core, it's basically a horde shooter instead of a real ninja simulator. Even bosses only boil down to shoot them until they're dead while spamming shit EVERYWHERE, across multiple battle stages that you can't speed up, and invading enemies come from "pathetic" to "one hit kill from off screen when you didn't even know they were there".

Warframe could be so cool. At one point, it kinda was cool. Enough for me to dump over 400 hours and 60 dollars in, even if it was kind of shallow and simplistic. But something... special, is gone now.

is can you vacuum it? also is the carrier still the single most useful sentinel?

>DE is scamming their oblivious userbase
Is that somehow new? Their whole fucking ingame shop is a 100% scam aimed at retards and new players

Fucking london ontario

hick town

i got perma banned for reporting a bug feels bad after buying founders in beta.

It's really fun, my only real problem with it is the extremely grindy nature and the execution of warframes's powers.

I mean, having different suits with different powers is a cool concept, but most of the time you have enough mana to cast 1-2 of them and then you have to collect mana for half of the level to be able to use them again. I would much prefer them to suck up less mana and instead add some kind of cooldown to them (and perhaps downgrade them a little) so that you can actually use them semi-often.

>ignoring the empty update
>ignoring that it was a skin for a useless weapon
>ignoring the broken log-in
>ignoring the lies
>ignoring the useless mods
>ignoring the delays
>"muh typo"

>gets ban for report a bug in a beta game where you're suppose to do.

for the love of god i hope you're lying

DE may be the epitome of trash but the problem with Wia is that his response is always condescending and obnoxious.

I've never played Warframe before this but i met Wia in Skyforge and i joined Warbros there, not knowing it's relations to Warframe and it's operations are pretty much the same, helping new players and whatnot.
I've played with Wia a lot of times in Skyforge but one thing i don't understand about him is that whenever he speaks about an issue related to the game such as mechanics and grind or whenever someone disagrees with him in something he always has this condescending, bitchy obnoxious tone. I've never been on the opposing side from him, not that i'm trying to avoid him or anything but i just find it strange. He's a good guy, he really is, but his choice of words are really unnatural.

Autism will do that

Use mana restore pancakes or get a trinity to cpme with you.

Cred Forums'll do that to you.

Keep in mind that this is the kind of guy who keeps flowcharts and spreadsheets for all the different players who joined and left and why, and was one of the more efficient folks in EVE.

eventually you'll have tons of health packs mana packs and ammo and shield packs

yes, but last devstream we were told that the devs have been listening, and are finally going to make vacuum universal to sentinels, by splitting it into 3 different mods

>three different mods

What? For each item type or something? Sounds dumb.

Why not just make offensive sentinels actually worthwhile?

hell if I know. they literally just had to let each sentinel equip vacuum but I guess that's too hard a task

>one of the most efficient folks in eve
well that explains it

God damn it

I'm MR10 and having fun with this game. Now all I see is people saying that it's shit now and dying.

Same with all the other Free To Play games I've tried, that's all that people say. Why THE FUCK am I always late to the party on this shit?

I'm with you. That game was dope. Way better than this p2w trash.

This thread is just full of burnt out spergs, user. Like it or not, the game is nowhere near dead.

Oh, Grindframe?
>new content has a bad rep for either sucking dicks, or blowing everything before it out of the water
>DE stopped listening to players in general
>prevalent balance issues, tons of useless equipment/mod/weapons/frames
>when they nerf something it's into the ground
>when they buff something it's meh
>prime content overpriced
>fucking void
>fucking void trader
>Archwing and everything about it, with the exception of it being a neat concept

You're not late to the party.
Yep, Grindframes tends to wear people out, but honestly a large part of the games dev has gone down hill.

The devs. I was in Crescent Moon at the time of the Bursa event. I was actually one of the officers, having taken over for Phobie, who was inactive, but could not be kicked as he had leadership status.

Phobie logs on about 2 hours after the event ends, kicks anyone he deemed anti-his BS. He had gotten the devs to give him founding leader status, meaning he had absolute authority.

Even though we all petitioned this, DE essentially said they didn't care, gave the clan 2nd place in the event even though 50% of those who did anything were kicked.

They said they don't get involved with clan politics, but this was one of of several times they did.

CM disbanded a month later.

Oh, okay.

I mean, I'll probably get bored of the game at some point. I've never stuck years into a game, the closest thing to that is me putting over 800 hours into GTA Online. But if I can enjoy this for a while I'll be happy.

Yeah, that's what bothers me about Warframe. You can build almost anything in the game but there's a lot of grinding and tedium involved. I'm like "why can't I just pay you guys $40 and you give me a real game with a real story and real item drops instead of a 'f2p' grindfest?"

I recently got into STO on the Xbone and I don't feel as though I'm being manipulated into buying anything because I am getting actual item drops and mission rewards that a paid game would give me. My gripe with the game is the overall buggyness, dated aesthetic/gameplay, slapdash mission system, horribad voice work and the overall MMOness of the game when I've made it to Lieutenant General in the Klingon campaign without ever having to interact with another player.

Wait, WHAT? So if I log in my account I haven't played in probably over a year, my 34 legendary cores will be GONE?

I'm not entirely sure. Probably. Maybe you'll still have those but have the option to convert. I don't fucking know.

In all likelihood though they were probably converted into exactly the amount of fusion points they were worth in the first place. No significant difference other than the fact that you can no longer over-spend fusion points resulting in an excess being lost.

Yes and no.

It's no longer a legendary fusion core, just a legendary core. Still has the same effect.

Anything lesser is converted.

I don't think there's a single F2P game that isn't trash/grindy. It's always too good to be true. Makes sense though, I wouldn't put much effort either knowing that retards would always eat my shit up anyway.

Another concrete slab on the already grounded coffin, with shitframe inside. Oh well!

Stamina is still technically there, but only for Aim-glide and Wall-latch. Hiding the bar was a stupid idea when they just moved its purpose.
The mobility was fine for a while, when the double jump carried momentum, but DE actually fucked that as well because of muh-Lunaro. DE can't have people going fast. Now you can never achieve the same speed as even a half-assed coptering weapon without sacrificing mod slots on your frame.
The MOMENT they added the Drift mods, all other "utility" mods became(or remained) obsolete, making that dedicated utility mod slot only dedicated to the new mods.
90% of the melee combos are overly-flashy and completely useless and you might as well just spam "E". The only good ones are only good because they give like 300% damage bonus when using those combos. Also, melee channeling using energy was one of the worst additions in Warframe's history. Literally nobody builds their melee around channeling, making every mod that requires channeling useless fusion fodder.

As an asian graduate of Western, I agree.

HOW ARE THESE FUCKS CANADIAN AND YET THEY SPELL "ARMOUR" AS "ARMOR"?

There's no way they're not all transfer Americans.

it's just doing the same thing over and over again and thats about it. At least it's free

This is my experience with the game in a nutshell. Something that just needs a simple fix, system, or change, gets than overcomplicated as fuck. Usually hidden behind some sort of rng.

Canadians spell it armor. One of the few American spellings that took over the English one here.

Fuck no we don't. Nobody I've ever met in Toronto has spelled it "Armor" unless we're talking impressionable little kids that have been bombarded by American entertainment, who are promptly corrected.

>that hoverhand

6000 Hours, that's what went wrong

Not dying, just people salty about how long the next major update is taking.

A friend of mine had them disappear from his inventory and he had to submit a ticket to support. You might want to check just in case.

I'm pretty sure he's touching her. Not too firmly, but he is.

They were changed into a different item.

not if you want to actually have fun

I stopped playing right before this shitshow. You mean they STILL haven't released war within?!?

don't forget about the QA tea.....oh. right.

you prefer every mission taking 200% more time from you? after the new movement system got put in place is when I quit. grinding wasn't boring enough without having to move like a robotic slug.

With f2p, there is no other destination than shit town. Unless you're PoE, which means you can't make your combat clean and smooth so your game still sucks. There are a lot of hurdles in the path to making a good game, user and making it f2p will always trip you up.

He kinda is. Every update is just DE making the grind worse.

>f2p will always trip you up
probably right there chum, but without f2p you might just not even try these days unles you have a big budget set for marketing

Major bugfest, unplayable on my ps4 literally because it won't let me connect to the servers, dropped the game entirely and regret spending so much time with it.

came to see the qt WF girls.

am disappointed.

I liked to go through the missions.
The problem was not that it took longer but you have to do it 1 million times. Of course it is boring if you do the same thing over and over. At least being fast eased on that.
They should have fixed the grind too not just slowing you down.

What part of their inventory would they find it in?

>Canadians spell it armor.
No we don't you fucking ignorant cunt.

microtransactions and a snobby community

I complained once about them wanting me to pay to speed up the construction (24 hours) of a virtual key to go to a virtual clubhouse and multiple faggots in the chat called me a greedy beggar

>"ohhh devs give me everything"

cool world, tight gameplay, but when I maxed out my starter bow I wanted to experiment with new guns and find out I'm expected to pay for a third inventory slot and beyond, shit is ridiculous

Most pictures are porn

so.....

Get trading / git gud

What happened?
The same thing that happens to every gaming community. Shitter take over and Developers who fail at coding.

I'm actually in the process of installing this, what are the game modes?

I miss Ember being a futa.

I used to fap at the thought of warfus pegging me and blowing loads in my stomach.

w-what?

There's really only PvE. PvP was DOA because the game was never balanced around it (also non-dedicated servers just don't work for PvP)

No dedicated servers.

I ERPed with someone once about exactly that.

that's usually not an issue (unless you get a hue hue) outside of concalve, which is fucking unplayable because of it

Great game. Just not a lot to do once youre all leveled out

mmmMMMmm

...

I play it with a few friends and it's pretty fun. The insane grinding goes by fast if you spend those hour long survival missions talking shit with people.
Plus we have a good time making synergistic comps to try and break things. I remember the first time we cheesed a sortie was a blast.

DE is getting too carried away with things requiring cryotic. Worst of it all being that ice hammer

There's no real endgame. A few weapons and warframes outclass everything else in the game by an extreme amount. And DE doesn't seem to understand how the decisions they make actually translate into the game or why the players complain about many of the things they complain about.

It's still actually quite fun right up until the moment you quit being motivated to get new things and then you suddenly only see all the shit that's going wrong.

Surprised there isn't anything involving your warframe fucking the operator in some kind of fucking yourself scenario.

this is a pretty good summary

Man, I remember being in Warbros from before update 7 to update 14 when I just stopped playing. Didn't give them a cent of money and glad I didn't. Is DE bankrupt yet?

Man was it ever good. We broke the fuck out of that game by exploiting everything exploitable. The whole clan was looking for something to exploit and then immediately told everyone in the general. Seemed like everyday we found something to say "Fuck you Steve, fix your shit game".

Are you retarded?

We get it, Neo-Cred Forums is full of trannies, faggots, and all the other degenerates they pretend to hate. Fuck off already.

It's free to play.

Pay to win gimmicks on an otherwise great game that could've benefited from a set buy in price with optional cosmetics.

Game is way to pay to win for it's own good.

>b-b-ut I grinded a week for my frame and got it for free

lol

The core gameplay and ideas are very solid and could make for an amazing game.
The problem is, that everything around it, all the details, more complex mechanics etc, are either unbalanced, unfinished, not really thought out well, plainly stupid or otherwise flawed. This made a game that could have been 10/10 into a mediocre one.

Isn't this shit still technically in beta?

They broke it up first in 3, then in 4 parts. One content update a year, goy. #Buyplat #Devsneedfood

hard to find more scumbag braindead devs than the ones at DE

How many people actually play Conclave and Lunaro?

Between that and archwing I wonder exactly how much time and resources they've thrown at shit that nobody cares about.

See

There is.

it's had to find anyone outside of akkad/fissures even in regular gameplay, I'm guessing 30 people play conclave and spaceballs

>Before Phobos
>Fun but somewhat easy missions
>After Phobos
>Can never get past a mission without dying a couple times even with everything maxed out

Am I doing something wrong like forgetting about some upgrading mechanic or do I just need to git gud? Feels like most of the missions above level 20 don't scale equally with the weapons and the warframe levels.

level serration
put tater in wepon

Hi-Rez?

You definitely don't have anything maxed out.

Get a more meta weapon/frame.

Or just whatever supersoaker you want.

>Copy paste maps
>Hardly any enemy variety
>Grind fest
>Clans
>Pay4currency
>Prime shit

The game was released_______________________________________________________

someone has the GIANT GRIND WALL picture?

It doesn't matter, I've played a bunch of free to play mmos where I didn't pay a cent and got all the best items, archeage comes to mind, it didn't matter when some rich kid came along with literally 1000 dollars worth of gear.

Pay to win games are complete trash, there is no debate.

You appear to have either misread my post or have gone full retard.

does the game have cross platform play yet?
or can i just transfer my shit to pc?

they are for protection

>neo/v/
Neo/v/ is a myth. It's always been full of faggots.

Well, the grind for new content maybe, but that just comes with added content.

Get Max Soma Prime, Max Loki Prime, and Prime Mods
>beats game eternally

when they nerfed muh penta

Isn't this game still in beta?
I'm honestly waiting on the rework on enemy scaling and the reworks for multishot mods. Depending on what they do determines whether or not I keep playing.

This person is one of the game's developers. Now please stop asking this question. It's clear what went wrong, and it couldn't go any other way.

>Pay to win

I don't think that means what you think it means.

Also I grinded out Ivara in a day. Same with Equinox. Most people are just shitters.

Eternal beta. They cannot launch the game because ITS BETA is their only shield left for any type of criticism.

>Also I grinded out Ivara in a day. Same with Equinox. Most people are just shitters.
What has luck to do with being a shitter or not?

>that last part
Holy shit my sides. They're fucking gone. Glad I quit this piece of shit.

Dev coverups, elitism, excessive censorship, greed, leechers, china sellout, and excessive grind. In that order.

>operator having his warframe smother her tits in his face while fighting off stalker

It's not actually the PC Gamer logo stretched over the sword model, is it? It looks different, just uses the same colors.

It was my impression that there was more to the warframes, not simple puppets.

Some people don't know which spy missions to do and are typically bad at it anyways even with loki. So RNG isn't the only thing at work. Boss runs are usually quick so its not really a problem either.

There's definitely something in there. At least an animal level of thought.

>your warframe may have an animalistic desire to fug you

Didn't one of the original Rhinos eat people?

...

According to a codex entry it did.

So when do we get a frame focus-equivalent where the frame flips out and goes primal

I forget, is Stalker an asshole that started doing things without puppets, or an asshole that killed his operator when he discovered what was going on?

Stalker is Steve's personal banwagon

The game is pay to win, even if you don't pay a dime, deal with it faggot. Stop justifying why you are playing a pay to win game like a loser.

If a game has items you can buy with real money, it is pay to win. It doesn't matter what justification you use. It's still pay to win, and thus is a piece of trash.

Except buying the weapons doesn't equate to making progress. You don't get your mastery rank up, you don't get your syndicate rank up, you don't unlock quests, you can't even make your newly-acquired weapons particularly strong without mods.

Nope, they're making more money than ever before. The Prime kits are selling well, if I remember correctly, and the update frequency is supposedly keeping retention pretty high while word-of-mouth and streamers are bringing in more players.
I know about primed mods and primed warframes but are you saying that certain warframes are inherently more powerful or something?
Honestly, I'm not gud enough to do PvP in Warframe (shit's too fast) so I stick with story missions and sorties at this point. I still think its pretty fun and the boss reworks are fun but could use a higher difficulty for adding more mechanics and AI
Not clear, though it's implied that he didn't kill his operator, hence why he was so drawn to doing so in Second Dream.

But it helps, any item that can help with progression makes it a pay to win game, and thus it is a piece of shit. You can keep justifying to yourself why you play the biggest form of modern kikery on the market with free to play games. I get it, you like the gameplay, it's fun, too bad it's pay to win though kek.

>streamers are bringing in more players.
last week three out of five of the most popular streamers quit the game because they were tired of all the bullshit

Most popular streamers for that game or most popular streamers period?
I've been seeing it pop up on more mainstream streams recently.
My real issue with Warframe is that, on a mission to mission basis, the map kits dont offer enough variety of challenge.
For instance, within the Spy Vaults, they're usually the same every time, same defenses and everything. Some variety in how many guards, their patrols, where lasers are placed and even some higher-difficulty things would be interesting.
Or execution missions have a mini-boss take the rest of the soldiers and try to bottle neck you if you stay in alert for too long.

Maybe this wraps in witht he complaints of power-creep but I'd just like more mechanical difficulty and design challenges than numerical-buffing

You appear to be mistaken for a second time as I did not either confirm or deny that the game is pay to win.

git gud, kid.

But you did link your retarded post to mine which was discussing how the game is pay to win, the only reason you would've done this is if you believe it wasn't. Which you obviously do, I don't need to git gud at warframe, I don't play pay to win games or any game with any item that can be bought with real money that can further a player's progression.

Good goy.

Sure thing, kiddo.

Sorry you got blown the fuck out, try again next time though.

I-I like the lore.

I feel at times like the lore was just pulled out of someone's ass.

Now, RuneScape, that's a game with lore I can appreciate.

The responses you got are enough to tell me that it's the other way around.

Not really, you just made a non-argument when it was clear that you didn't think the game was pay to win because you traded or had enough skill to buypass the pay wall.

It doesn't matter though, the game is still pay to win, and therefore a piece of shit.

I don't recall disagreeing with you, kiddo.

That was the implication, again you implied that by "gitting gud, and learing how to manipulate the market that you could buypass the paywall of the game. Which is why I called you a retard for making a non-argument with implications so you don't have to get your feelings hurt like a pussy.

Keep playing your pay to win game.

>b-b-buut I can get all the gear for free, I-It's pure skill, I'm a marketing g-genius!

kek

Okay, kiddo.

Hey you should be grinding right now. It's the only way you can catch up to people who have money and don't want to work for anything.

Get to work!!

125000 alloy plates for a cat

What am I supposed to do with these millions of nanospores? Why do they keep introducing new materials and not using the ones we already have?

to keep you grinding, duh

If you say so, kiddo.

Oh my god, say it isn't so. He plays a free to play MMO on the ps4.

HAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

Holy shit checked and rekt.

How dumb are you kiddo? You triggered or something?

Jesus Christ, his mouse is right there on screen, you moron...

where do I buy a mouse&keyboard for my ps4

My bad, I just gave him the benefit of the doubt and didn't think he was so retarded he didn't know how to take a screenshot on the PC.

He literally took out his phone to take a screenshot.

KEK

Where do I buy conclusive evidence that this is on PS4?

You do know that screenshots can be photoshopped, right kiddo?

I'm bored of you now; from here on, I won't be replying anymore but thanks for entertaining everyone tonight, kiddo.

I don't know maybe the mouse cursor on the screen

inb4 this retard deletes his post out of embarrassment

Question: What peripheral do you think a PC uses?

are you stupid or retarded

Why would you photoshoop a screenshot that you took with your phone? Are you fucking retarded?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

To photoshop the plat? Duh.

It would be a waste of time to prove that the game isn't pay to win because he doesn't have a lot of plat. Which again is a retarded point because he still had to grind 4x the amount than players who actually payed money.

So really he's a retard for even implying that argument, and a retard for taking a screenshot on PC with his phone.

The picture was obviously taken as to fend off claims that his platinum count was tampered with digitally.

But he never claimed that the game was pay to win?
????

He did, he implied it in the first response he gave to me when he said after my post to "trade/git gud", implying that with trading and gitting gud at the market you can circumvent the pay wall. Pay attention to the conversation.

Tigris Prime is so disgustingly OP I don't bother using anything else.

You're at least as fast as you ever were. Learn to bullet jump and roll, homie

Sounds like someone doesn't have friends. Got half my mods from people just giving them to me no charge. Weapon parts too. Didn't cost a dime.

The game is great, anyone who says otherwise is a butthurt baby

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I think this was more a failure

Again it doesn't matter how you got your items, if the game has items that you can buy with real money than it is pay to win, especially if they can help with progression. Therefore the game is trash.

But I didn't win by paying. If I go to the supermarket to by tomatos does that mean farming is pay to win?

The game is still pay to win because players who don't play are severely disadvantaged to those who pay money. It's really simple.

Can you buy meaningful items that help with progression? If yes then pay to win.

Can you buy items that increase exp, or crafting bonuses? If yes then pay to win.

I don't know if you're baiting or just sperging, but literally nothing in Warframe is good out of the gate. If you bought everything in the market with dosh you would still be worse off than someone who spent a good week playing. The real winning numbers come off of mods and the 'pay for mod packs' in the store are of shit quality.

The real benefit of buying things is that you don't have to wait for them to get made, or have to farm individual parts. That's what you get for buying things; time. Warframe isn't pay to win because no amount of dosh you drop will allow you to survive any planet past Earth.

If anything, Warframe is Pay to not wait.

>really, really necessary and core mods and parts like reactors are locked behind alerts
>takes forever to farm everything you need
>trading could be a lot more convenient
>frustrating bugs everywhere
>cant quickly switch through your premade mod set ups in the galaxy screen
>a lot of things are overtuned for no reason
>not enough variety in environments/enemies
>new players have to experience absurd amounts of farming and an extreme amount of time gates
>archwing is just press melee to get it over with

No it's not.
If you can get it over time then it's "Pay to Save Time"
Pay to win refers, specifically, to an instance where spending money makes you better in a way that not spending money does not. For instance, Many say that GW2's Elite Specs are objectively better than the Vanilla ones. Because they are only available in a cash-only expansion pack, then those specs could be called Pay To Win.
Conversely, Let's say you can buy an experience booster in a game (SWTOR, WoW, etc). If you can get that experience by just playing the game normally, then it's not Pay To Win.
The other question is whether the weapons you can buy are objectively better than the ones you can more easily earn via playing the game. Again, if the weapons are buy only, then it's pay to win. If you can earn them over a long amount of time, that's more akin to Freemium.

It's a trashy policy but generally acceptable when a game doesn't have an initial-pay requirement. How would you have Warframe make money? Paying for games straight up is incredibly difficult unless you're a Triple A franchise or you have some huge, popular Kickstarter.

>caring about founders opinions
Don't you have your dojo channels to circlejerk those excaliburs prime?

in a pvp game, sure
this game is pve so it doesn't fucking matter

That's not Pay To Win because Pay To Win necessitates that, if a player puts in the time, they still wont be able to win.
This is like saying League, with all its faults is Pay To Win. You can buy the newest Champions if you have the dosh saved up, same as everyone else. Then you're winning as much as the guy who pays for them.
Hence, the person who pays does not neccesarily win and the game is not Pay To Win.
How is this so hard for you to understand? Its right in the name. PAY TO WIN necessitates that if a player pays more money, than they will absolutely win every time.

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I still play it because it's still fun to flip around like a faggot and shoot shit. The key is to not play too much otherwise you start to recognize all the flaws and mediocrity in the game.

No it's pay2win if you CANT overcome those hurdles with in-game means. This is pay2notwait or pay2havemoreinventoryspaceso icankeepmyshit. And even then materials like nitain require you to be vigilant at least with the alert app.

Pay to save time is still pay to win. Because the person who put in the money is progressing faster than the person that didn't. It's really simple. Pay to not waste time is the phrase people use when they are trying to justify that the game they like isn't pay to win when in fact is is.

>disadvantaged
That word again, are you aware that no one gives a shit about enclave and even if they did most mods don't work in it right?

>I gave these people money
>I spent 68.4 hours on this
Unironically my biggest regret in life

>Does the cash shop offer gold

EVE online offers plex which can be directly sold for ISK in game.

Does this make EVE pay to win?

>Intelligent play and dedication
Hilarious, Please don't fool yourself, Warbros was never anything but a cesspool of elitist no lifers, virgins and massive neets, immensely proud of putting in as much hours as a full time job breaking their little game.

And saying they never used an exploit is the biggest joke of the year.

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The right side is very fucking wrong, i hope this is bait
What defines p2w is not IF you can merely unlock shit or advance faster with cash

That image is false though.
Expansion packs, particularly for games where PvP is present, that give flat out better stats are Pay To Win (As is the case for most MMOs).
Back in 2004, there wasn't even such a thing as a cash-shop in games. WoW had literally just come out and there was no need for that shit.
By the by, we're not saying that the current methods of monetization via game-mechanics isn't scummy, but pay to win is the most egregious crime in that category. There's a difference between a free-game that tries to egg players on to buy shit vs a game that exclusively bars progression or superiority behind a cash-wall.
Once Warframe allowed Prime Warframes to be crafted, it stopped being Pay To Win. It's a huge fucking grind that never fucking ends, holy shit, but If I really love/hate warframe, I'll grind to that Trinity Prime and be on the same level as the jack ass who spent $40, without having to spend a dime.
That's the bigger issue these days, most people dont want to spend money on an upfront cost to a game they've never heard of.

DE was basically on the ropes when they started on Warframe and they did dick their Founders but that's the nature of trying to stay afloat as a non-AAA game dev. The best you can do is to stop playing and warn off other players about the grind. Spreading false rumors on a board filled with people who already know the history and topic is more your salt than your charity to unsuspecting newbs

meant the left

so far from this thread all i see are just shitters being shitters and shitposting like usual on Cred Forums
nothing new or original

that giant infographic of bullshit is so fucking incoherent, you have to be a delusional shitter to make sense of it, so. glad i'm not fucking delusional and retarded as fuck like you shitposters are. you have fun shitposting a game you clearly dont enjoy, most people just move the fuck on and play and talk about games they do enjoy instead. rather than being the autistic faggot raging over a children's toy.

I see that lotus symbol a lot. Is it like public domain or some shit?

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Prime's honestly aren't that big of a boost framewise. Aside from a relatively minor stat boost they have the exact same abilities. Plus the 250 energy boost from void orbs is useless on anything that isnt a void tileset.

And even Prime weapons aren't all the strongest when you consider other endgame equivalents like the Syndicate Weapons.

Welp Titania just finished building so i'll leave you fags to it while i spend time with my new waifu

>new
>waifu

You'd be correct if another player paying for luxuries that I can also get without paying money for directly affected my gameplay and/or experience.

It doesn't, move on kiddo. Go play something else if it triggers you so much.

Her ult is REALLY good. Almost as strong as Mesa's ult, but you can fucking FLY AROUND AND YOU NEVER TAKE DAMAE

This, if you don't know how to use the new movement system, then I don't know what you're doing still playing the game

The actual gameplay is fun and reasonably varied. It's just theres never any decent setting in which to perform that gameplay. The devs made a fun game, but they're really shit at giving you a reason to play it.

The new movement system is good, but saying that it's anywhere as fast as coptering is simply wrong.

I have no idea why they took out coptering at all, the new system doesn't replace the input with a new move or anything.

>Pay to not waste time is the phrase people use when they are trying to justify that the game they like isn't pay to win when in fact is is.
Conclusion, not an argument.
There is a difference in intent.
For one, For the plethora of free games (as much as I dislike how the economy is shifting towards these types of titles), Pay To Save Time is typically a sort of necessity for staying afloat.
Pay To Win is found both in Free and Paid games and is usually a pure-cash grab.

There is also a difference in result.
Pay To Win results in a purely unbalanced game and particularly is included in games with heavy power-creep in later levels with no mechanical depth added. Either that or it's included in games with a PvP mechanic that enables certain players to overrun others.
In the sense that you're talking about, every subscription MMO in the mid and late 2000s is pay to win since, given the lack of alternative leveling options, those players who pay for more months will become stronger than those who don't.
Since a one-month player has no options to level faster and hasn't paid for more months, they wont be stronger than another player who has had the ability to level for the past 3 months

Coptering was the best actually.
It was every dev's dream of Emergent Gameplay mechanics.
DE took it out because it was Too fast. They have an incredibly specific vision for what they want Warframe to operate like and that's what creates 90% of their unpopular decisions.

Out of curiosity, what do you guys think should be done with Damage 2.0 to fix it? I've heard issues with it and I agree, the resistances get kind of crazy but I appreciate the status changes compared to just having 4 'flavors' of damage that are mechanically identical

What I want to know is why pubs suddenly never go to wave 20/round 4/20 minutes anymore.

Can I still parkour through levels and fire arrows at enemies in mid-air or mid-slide for maximum style points?

It was because you were forced to bring a specific melee weapon unless you wanted to be behind the entire group. It left players who wanted to use the massive sweeping weapons (Jat Kittag and Galatine) behind while those who had those specific coptering weapons could blaze past at Sanic speed, especially if the copter glitched and propelled you across the room.

New system can still have everyone go pretty fast, but now everyone can do it instead of being forced to equip one specific melee.

Yes, you can actually glide for a bit and wall latch in the air. So you can get multiple people from a single room clearing jump.

This, although why haven't they implemented a natural dash move holy shit my pinky is tired of pressing shift every time i have to dodge roll to gain a slight boost of speed.

I rebound some shit to my extra mouse buttons and boy fuckin howdy is it a totally different game after

Nigfa how many random cuss words did you shove in there? Hell you typed shitter like 3 times in a row.

>friend makes a smurf account
>gets IP-banned with no chance of appeal
>you don't own your account, DE lets you use it

Kill yourself my man.

isnt warbros full of furry scalie things now?

I remember when long time ago somone said to devs on a forum post or something that it seems like they are running low on ideas and he got super butthurt and defensive over it on stream.

it got a bit too grindy, and it never really ends unless you go out of your way to get banned, like Wia.

let's get real here, when you get off the wild ride, it's a good thing

Rate my Ivara, potatoe quality since I'm playing 800x600

As long as you don't speak ill of the all-perfect developers Digital Extremes, you are blessed with good fashion

Speaking of fashionframe. Fav armor sets?

Pakal seems to work well with quite a lot of frames, Porta set is perfect for the more techy frames, and Riv seems to go with anything.

Shiteeee, valkyr prime when ? Probably too OP if get one
Best exilus mod to use? I mostly do all types of mission.

Going by the 2 male 2 female pattern since the start of the game, next Prime is either Banshee or Valkyr.

Edo. Fuck DE for adding that stupid super reflective coat to it when they started fucking with PBR.

Anything metallic, to match prime gold trims.

Valkyr is lab made, like Mesa who is made of infested, so they'll never get the Orokin gold trims...

All WFs are made with the infestation so i can totally see Mesa happening, maybe DE will pull a valkyr prime out of their ass too.

No, Valkyr is tennomade. The default one is after Alad experimented on the original, and future Valkyr's take the appearence as a sort of tribute. Her Gersemi deluxe skin is stated to be the original Valkyr before the experiments.

One shoulder of Daedalus.

Might as well post frames.

Have my USA Mesa.

No, because you still have to wait 3 years to pilot a capital ship.

I don't know what it's called but you need the dumb hat if you're 'Muriframe

I think I may have her Longhorn Helmet. Might give it a try next time i'm on.

I haven't played Whoreframe since Scorpions had that unavoidable harpoon CC and your ass would get dragged around the room the nanosecond one of them got near you

Thank fuck I got out early

I'm very sad about Saryn Prime

You'd be surprised how easy that is to cheese when you know how to roll, especially since they do it the instant they're in range. Real predictable once you get a hang of them. Plus if you're actually moving they'll miss and stand there like a retard.

You'd be surprised how many problems rolling solves.

I was enjoying myself until I realized I was playing what amounter to a mobile game where I just went through the motions looking for random drops to get better equipment to get to better missions for better random drops etc.

I dropped OPTC around the same time so I think I just got sick of being jerked around by goalless gameplay altogether.

Nah, Scorps were buggy as fuck when they first introduced them and it was impossible to avoid that harpoon no matter what.

I played a little while longer and they eventually made it so you could actually avoid it.

warframe went wrong when it removed void/defence and other mission as a way to get prime parts

Ah, I think I forgot when they first introduced that. For reference wise I first joined back when Melee 2.0 wasnt even a month old apparently.

>CM disbanded
wow it's almost like pottery

Know what would have been kinda cool?
Each melee weapon category having some kind of non-combat functionality.
>CQC-interrogate with single daggers
>Pick up enemies and throw them around with dual daggers
>sling-shot your way across a room your sword as a catapult
>Helicoptering with pole-arms and staffs
>Heavy swords can be used as platforms on walls
>Hammers can be used as temporary cover

Strega Trinity Armor.
No one suspects the life/energy stealing, damage-redirecting 'priestess'

Actually, when melee 2.0 came out, heavy weapons got a huge boost in mobility since their air attacks could potentially fling you across rooms, or also throw yourself onto ledges you'd normally have to parkour onto.

I remember using Jat's air attack to fly around, but coptering was still ultimately faster by a longshot.

Still it was fun actually keeping up with the non-tipedo copterers by just propelling myself around with a jet hammer. I think Kogake's air attack before Parkour 2.0 also propelled you far if you did it twice in the air.

>let's make a PvE focused shooter with lots of interesting weapons and make then *mostly* sidegrades of each other to trully reward experimentation and customization
>now let's make you waste real money to unlock half of its upgrade potential, making every wapon you don't waste real money on essentialy useless in comparison

Gee, I wonder how the game devolved into such a repetitive min/max plagued grind fest.
How could anybody make such a retarded decision like this? Fuck.

But exp boosts are not pay2win...

Nigga I managed to get slots for all my frames and weapons long before I got a job just by trading and alert hunting, even potato'd all the weapons and frames.

Hell they have a reactor or catalyst 24 hour alert like clockwork every single devstream.

Welcome to F2P gaming

They took off the only fun thing, the perfect way to make other players butthurt- they took off Solar Rail conflicts.

I remember those. They were stupidly stacked toward the defending team though since you had limited lives and they didn't.

>let's make a huge arsenal of fun and creative weapons
>let's put half of that arsenal behind guild research that most solo players won't realize to even try
>also let's make the construction of each one require a precious rare resource, the same which is also used to vastly boost the power of any class or weapon, so that players are discouraged from experimenting with different weapons and instead stick to one or two boring, forum approved meta ones

Why make that stupid limitation though?

Since all you do is grind anyway, and that means you're not necessarily in need of your absolute best gear every time, wouldn't it my MUCH smarter to make use of the great variety in weapons?

This is worse than limiting your slots, since you can kinda easily make space as you keep trying out new gear.

This is also an issue, although I'll have to admit the game is simply designed to be played in coop and trying to balance that without punishing coop players could be even worse.

It's still a questionable design decision, but at least there's some sort of reason behind it, being to encourage players to interact with the community.

>start as a filthy free to play peasant
>new to game but enjoying it so far
>there an overpowered guy in our grp oneshotting everything and helping us with our mission
>after mission everyone leaves but him
>we do a couple of missions together, talk about the game and he invites me into his clan
>two of his clan friends rush me trough missions
>they give me weapon parts, prime frame parts, mods and farm items with me so that I can build stuff
>bro just gives me 300 platt for free
>can't even progress anymore because I'm just MR5 and have to wait for countless shit to get ready
>tfw you haven't spend a single cent but already feel like a special snowflake

Did I just get lucky? It seems that people in this game generally enjoy helping out newer players. After realizing that all the shit they gave me can be sold for platinum currency, I'm quite surprised.

Fuck off TDE

Being able to pay to affect gameplay at all makes shit pay to win. Being able to use the most power gear in the game on your first day in the game when it takes everyone else months is P2W, period.

well if you know who the artist is then what the fuck are you asking for the source then?
you already have it

>tfw TDE was on my friends list long before I played WF
>tfw he got me into playing

>carrier
>he doesn't know

topkek

>the game is nowhere near dead

>reddit has finally been redpilled and now hates DE
>the forums are waking up slowly but surely, there's still dickriders but enough sensible people are calling DE out on their incompetancy
>the game is being turned into a buggier and buggier shit pile with each contentless update

it's happening and there's nothing that can be done to stop it

futa is straight

When the several of the top shills, that make their living playing the game on youtube up and quit, you know its in trouble.

The Devs have built themselves an absolutely atrocious public image. Also they went full Korea MMO grinding mode. The game isn't fun when I'm just doing the same defend-against-waves-of-enemies bullshit for 30 minutes a pop for the best rewards.

WF community is actually more helpful than your average game.

This is blatantly false.

fucking kike fuck off

This is true

All of the helpful players were banned for criticizing DE

The devs have no integrity.

warframe is slowly but surely becoming evangelion

the war within will introduce a 'berserk mode' and reveal some orokin shadiness about the human proxies that inhabit the frames

which is exactly why lucy is still around

I'm late again.

WARBROS
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Doubt it. They'll probably save that for umbra frames 2 years from now. I still can't believe this update isn't done yet and when it releases it's still gonna be a buggy piece of shit.

They already sorta had that. Proto-Rhino in the codex entry was beserk and was ripping apart Orokin scientists until it got to where the kids were being kept, then it calmed down.

The rotting corpse of Warbros now flies endlessly through space at incomprehensible speeds, carried by sheer momentum.

that's exactly what i'm talking about
something that yanks the warframe from the operator's control until the operator can calm it down

or something
fucking at least add something to make the gameplay interesting at the very least

add more parkour shit
make more interesting and varied tilesets
more traps and shit
more actual tactical gameplay instead of "ninjas" with machineguns

fucking hell i was stupid enough to spend money on this pile of shit, i long for death

>Can't tell if retarded or trolling.
>Remember Poe's Law.

RIP Wia!
Rip -HHH!
RIP to all our fallen brothers!

WABROS STRONG LIKE OX
WE CARRY OUR BURDEN TO VICTORY
WARBROS LIKE BROOM
WE SWEEP AWAY THE COMPETITION

WARBROS NUMBER ONE
NOW AND FOREVER

>tfw you were the laughing stock of war bros and people would make fun of you in the threads

:) and :(

>kriegbar?

tl;dr

I was never really as fast as the autists in Warbros and whenever I played with them I almost always fell behind.

somehow I'm still catching up to that pink Loki who has moved on, I moved on too.

Devs fuck over players for exposing the real flaws of the game

Forum mod gets butthurt and bans clan leader

People that legitimately and vocally complain about the game's shortcomings are silenced

If you shill the game 120% they'll give you free stuff and let you be as unprofessional as possible

no, memorizer

well i lied people only made fun of me a few times it's not like it was a regular thing

good thing the game turned out to be shit because i was tempted to play again for a while

never forget

does that guy who always circle jerked about frost prime still play

fuck that guy

if you're that guy fuck you

Well, a lot of the oldbros still hang out in the Steam group chat. Drop by some time. Some of us even play games.

that wasn't me.

Getting rid of infinite missions and delaying War Within.

Also
>beta

>DE thought it would be a good idea to make all the support frames shit

M-MUH PROGRESSION
Same reasion why BDO is terrible.
Same reason why Skyforge is terrible, excluding the fact that it's developed by scheming ruskies.
Horizontal Progression > Vertical Progression
Especially if you're going to include PvP elements, holy shit.

All I wanted to do was be a space ninja, god damn it. And back in beta those lovable wonky wallrun and jump physics made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Still pissed about Skyforge, the PvP was legitimately enjoyable as Monk, but Ruskies really like their pay-2-win mixed with time barriers.

>All I wanted to do was be a space ninja, god damn it. And back in beta those lovable wonky wallrun and jump physics made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

this is the only game to ever give me major hand pains from fucking FWOOP FWOOP SHWINK every where at all times

No you are not.
Dark Sector was one of my favorite games when it came out and it's literally the only reason I started playing Warframe. Even bought the Proto skins for Excalibur and Glaive just to get more of that Dark Sector vibe.

Not our fault shitters cling to melee like it's worth a damn.

Coptering was the only thing that made melee weapons worth taking, because in actual combat at any level you want to be as far away as possible from the mobs.

Once you grind for a few hundred hours you get to the point where you can just spam abilities the entire mission.

>When grinding is the only game-play there is a problem.

They are going to nerf it too because the shitters are complaining about it as well.

Also, I love how DE's excuse for getting rid of coptering was "we're ninjas, not Superman!" then they immediately added in, bullet jumping, aim gliding and capes.

>combat is laughably easy, you have to turn your brain off to not die of boredom

That's because Wiawyr has always been the ultimate autist, I was in Broski in EVE and liked the guy well enough but he'd still randomly go off the deep end.

Condescending is the default tone in EVE anyways.

Free to play games are destined to go to shit eventually. It's within their nature.

I read a little over half of it but what I'm getting here is

>Canadians are cucks
>women always ruin everything

>writing all that wall of text just to sprinkle "Warbros winning" propaganda lies here and there and hoping they start passing as fact
I gotta respect the dedication but that's still pretty sad.

What's the real story?

yes, explain to us about on DE is great, and gracious.
lets see your propaganda big boi.

I'm not sucking anybody's dick, I didn't say the narrative about the game's problems was false.

Best waiframe.