Where did it all go wrong?

I've played both and liked both
The characters and combat system are fun and have a strong dynamic. Would like to see a 3rd game particularly because I want to see Ringabel and Edea get reunited like Tiz and Agnes did.

Feels bad. I've been holding off playing Bravely Second, I heard a lot of this sort of stuff bogging shit down. Biggest things keeping me out were censorship issues and a no-Revo soundtrack, that was half of my hype slashed right there.

There's a non-censored version floating around out there right? If I played that, would it at least be decent? I did like the first a lot. Does it at least have a sharp turn story wise? If so how in relation to the first game's build up and twist?

the issues of the first game

Like said, I still don't get what people saw in the first game. I think people were just so desperate for a FF5-like game, a "traditional" JRPG with classes that they gobbled it up like it was some kind of 3DS savior

The story is ok but the resets were just obnoxious. Don't try to defend it, they were awful

The battle system was cool and innovative until you realized that in the second half of the game, all normal encounters were handled by you braving 4 times with everyone and wiping everything in one turn because they will definitely kill you next turn, which is also pointless because the game autosaves in every room and you are just moved back to the start if you die

The classes are incredibly imbalanced, with multiple combos just outright breaking the game while some classes don't even have worthwhile passive skills. For a game praised for its job system, the system itself is actually awful

The soundtrack is actually good

From what I've heard Second is pretty much just more of the first, so I have no intentions of playing it (even though I could just pirate it)

How is the game censored again? I remenber a lot of crying, but not a lot of explaining from people

>See Bravely Default ending movie teaser
>Damn this Magnolia chick looks cool
>Baal outside fighting an airship
>Looks all future techy. How long has Tiz been out?

Bravely Second

>It's only been two years
>Magnolia never does anything notable. Just says "A la vache!" a lot and sucks (Yew)'s dick all the time
>In fact before that teaser cutscene she just runs off for no reason and Yew and Edea do nothing
>They cut the Baal fighting the airship outside in the BS version of the scene.
>Edea is now just a meme spouting food addict
>Tiz is still a bland piece of shit; doesn't seem concerned he's back from the dead
>Yew is a whiny brat constantly spouting gravy puns
>Can't even listen to that godly ost now. Half is just reused assets and the other is annoying metal. The days of "You are my hope" and "Baby Bird" are gone.

I mean. It was still a decent jrg but to say I was disappointed is a massive understatement.

costumes were edited and that was it

just like the first game

Don't be such a fucking faggot. If you liked the first game why do you need approval to play the sequel from losers with no taste on an Anonymous image board? In the entire time it took to write your post, wait for a reply and come to a conclusion based on that you could have finished the entire fucking demo. Which is free. And if you choose to get the game gives you bonus shit. It's not a perfect game but for fuck's sake make up your own mind.

>I think people were just so desperate for a FF5-like game, a "traditional" JRPG with classes that they gobbled it up like it was some kind of 3DS savior
Which they should have just played Dragon Quest III, VI, VII or IX long ago instead of waiting for Final Fantasy to do it. Especially since Final Fantasy is all about change and won't make a game like FFV again.

Google it. Outfits are censored. Native Americans become cowboys. Shit like that.

Entire class changed from a native american to a cowboy
Some costumes were edited
Physical artbook that came with the preorder was censored which doesn't affect the game itself but is incredibly shitty

>The classes are incredibly imbalanced, with multiple combos just outright breaking the game while some classes don't even have worthwhile passive skills. For a game praised for its job system, the system itself is actually awful

Though I'm sure you're not gonna accept this argument, the point of the game WAS to break it as hard as you can. This game isn't easy (played on hard, that is) and if you don't break the game, you're not gonna beat the last boss or the end-game side quests.

They edited the slutty red indian into a cowboy

Makes the males look better and the females worse, makes one character slightly more intolerable than she would have been otherwise

They very very subtly edited like one or two other costumes, mainly Magnolia's weird cleavage. Funnily enough they actually ADDED the lewd outfits they removed from the last game as purchasable in-game items in this one - including the bunny and lewd male thong

So nothing worthwhile, except the cowboy deal?

I can't read japanese so I can't tell you if script stuff changed.

There's actually a good reason that those were removed in the first game. They were promotional DLC, as in you'd need to go to some event for them in Japan. I think one was in a pack of cards or candy or something too.

This so much. I enjoyed playing through Bravely Second but goddamn, how Magnolia was in the secret movie vs. how she was all game really sucked.

Well whaddya know. People were going apeshit over censorship because of that.

In Bravely Second there's a goddamn bathrobe you can put your party in if you really want to see them scantily clad. But the Gathelatio set is god-tier. I have Magnolia as Bonsoir Bunny just because... you know, moon bunnies.

>Makes the males look better and the females worse, makes one character slightly more intolerable than she would have been otherwise

What?

The development process

>Censoring the goddamn artbook

Fuck Nintendo. We need to put all their shit; the games, the consoles, everything in the kiddie aisle.

Yeah, not even Japanese players who'd buy the first game now could get them anymore, the codes LONG expired.

Square COULD and SHOULD have put something in a magazine like GameInformer or make them preorder gifts, but it is what it is.

Eugh. I forget I have to spell everything out for retards on Cred Forums.

>Tiz looks fucking sick as a cowboy
>Yew looks sick as a cowboy
>Edea looks shit as a cowgirl
>Magnolia looks shit as a cowgirl
>The Asterisk Holder goes from being a Senran Kagura-style Native American to a Brookyln cowgirl but her personality is irritating regardless

Pretty much

There are plenty of good untouched JRPGs, I'm pretty sure no one here has played every single good old class-based JRPG to have to go to Bravely Default to get their fix

That's not really a good excuse. I mean, yeah, I can see that being a gimmick but then you end up using what, six of of the game's twenty-something classes?

The battle system is also pretty mediocre when it comes to buffs and debuffs
>go fight the elemental fire dragon for the vampire quest
>gear up in fire resistant gear for everyone
>start battle
>his move that makes everyone weak to fire still works
>the equipment doesn't give you a passive fire res but just starts the fight out with you resisting to fire and you can be debuffed out of it

I ended up resorting to the endless dragoon loop and it didn't even feel satisfactory

They're both mostly the same in that the plot is utterly retarded no matter the language.

>guy that never played the game before asks for something
>EEEUUGH WHY DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN MY CLAIMS

>So nothing worthwhile, except the cowboy deal?

pretty much

Pic related is the only good thing out of this piece of shit.

>his move that makes everyone weak to fire still works
>the equipment doesn't give you a passive fire res but just starts the fight out with you resisting to fire and you can be debuffed out of it
All I'm seeing is
>BAAAAAAAWWWWWW

Like, dude, here's what Bravely Default is:
>Hey kid remember FFV
>This is like the Pepsi version
>...also we're gonna screw with the rules

The whole point, the REASON they give you the tools to completely transcend traditional RPG combat rules is BECAUSE it makes it more engaging. You can summon versions of yourself from other peoples' games because it's canon that they exist in another dimension. You can stop time because it's a fucking video game and there's a mechanic that lets you do it. You can PREVENT DAMAGE FOR AN ENTIRE TURN AT WILL. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for you to get hit by an attack after a monster weakens you to an element - you can RE-apply that immunity with ONE turn so long as you're not using up all four character's Brave Points every fucking round.

Wait till you get to the boss that can use Bravely Second against YOU.

Final boss is a complete joke. They thought it was a good idea to give it an elemental weaknesses in a game where the best classes (Hawkeye, Wizard) are classes that abuse elemental weaknesses.

The fairy was worse.

Is Bravely Default still a decent game?
I've never been too good with job systems and the plot's already kinda spoiled for me, but I just want a new rpg to play

It is.

It's ok, but doesn't deserve the acclaim it gets.

If you play the game through the end of chapter 4 and forego the Groundhog Day shit you'll have a good time.

Most classes are still rather useless

>This is like the Pepsi version
So, a worse version?

>summoning people
99% of the time their attacks are shit

>bravely second
DLC or wait 3 days for it

>There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for you to get hit by an attack after a monster weakens you to an element
>dragon braves
>debuffs
>breathes

I already beat the game

I'm just saying that, for a game you hype so much about BREAKING THE SYSTEM, FIGHTING THE POWER, BEING ABSOLUTELY CUH-RE-AZY, it ends up being actually very formulaic, because you have to restrict yourself to playing those extremely limited party setups

For example, compare it to Fire Emblem Awakening (which isn't an amazing game but it's the only thing I can think about now): you can clear the game using whatever you want most of the time, but you can also go max eugenics mode to have a Galeforce Lucina tear apart entire armies by herself (in fact, this is necessary for the Lunatic extra content). BD forces you to forego all the diversity its job system offers you and locks you into a handful of combos that get boring 5 minutes later. The initial spark you get of being "oh damn this is a great idea, I should try it" is great, after that is just repeating the same setup until you clear the game

Check recommendations

Beyond extremely situational shit like cheesing Revenant with Exorcist, is there any reason to use jobs that aren't
>Wizard
>Bishop
>Hawkeye

>All the food porn in this game

Makes me hungry

Guardian and Knight are good if you're playing on hard

Bravely second went full goddamn retard with the classes balance. I had Yew on wizard from the first hour to the final boss and only changed once to time mage for meteor-rain. Had Magnolia on bishop from the get go and only changed it to-- guess what, wizard, to get that full heal-mist. It's really fucking bad. Brave Default had a much better balance.

bummed to hear it didn't sell well.
I really enjoyed it.
Sure the characters don't really develop much but the class system is addictive and there are so many smart features that make the jrpg less stale, this is definitely the direction rpg-wise Square Enix should go

What? The real broken shit doesn't even rely on weaknesses.

>awakening
>the game where giving Robin her boy toy chrom and nosfertanking is the only way to play lunatic

Bravely Third when?

I used Magnolia as Astrologer/Exorcist for most of the game, it's the perfect support/healer

>Where did it all go wrong?

Around about the second or third reset in the first game.

Lunatic is an extra challenge, I wouldn't consider it part of the normal game

Even on Hard you can do random stuff and still win if you

Whilst the localization rubbish probably had some impact, I really just lost all interest in the series with its garbage handling of Airy and the ending in general.

You're already in a bit of a lull because of the resets with only a small amount of differences to go check out, then they lose any subtlety they had with the build up to Airy, she turns into a big, fat, evil caterpillar and says "YOU WILL NEVER DEFEAT MY MASTERRRRR"

What an anti-climax.

I remember that BD had loads of news after is release about its good sales and its impact.
BS had nothing...

>pepsi version

what?

which is weird since BS is definitely the better game as it builds off everything good about BD while avoiding the resetting loop that soured BD for everyone

If it was better, why it sold worse? i guess the secret movie of BD had the fault, it gave everyone expectations.

>wizard
Only good for spellcraft, its magic is shit

>bishop
Honestly has healing duties on lockdown. It's silly with spellcraft. White Mage, catmancer, and exorcist can all take over healing duty depending on team set up however.

>Hawkeye
Damage isn't that great

>no mention of guardian, time mage, patisserie or catmancer

Its better in terms of gameplay but it doesn't have the charm the original had, it's basically the definition of a rehash with dumbed-down characters.

Also no Revo

BD had the whole "THIS JRPG IS THE SAVIOR OF THE 3DS AND IT'S FINALLY GETTING LOCALIZED" hype train behind it as the 3DS didn't really have many heavy hitting titles

Right now if you wanna play JRPGs on the 3DS you have way more options so it flew completely under the radar

the story was actually pretty good, the whole plot twist was unexpected and mind blowing (which is quite unusual for a jrpg). It had style, music and innovation, together with a good story.
That's something that basically no other contemporary jrpg.
Hell, even by your description the game seems quite good.

Bravely second has a slightly better gameplay but the story is complete garbage (read: shitty characters, predictable as fuck, just plain flat).

>The classes are incredibly imbalanced, with multiple combos just outright breaking the game while some classes don't even have worthwhile passive skills. For a game praised for its job system, the system itself is actually awful
literally the problem of all jrpg ever

Daily reminder.

It really sucks the art book was censored. Still bought the collector's edition because some guy never picked it up

The problem is that they changed writers for the second, the first one had Naotaka Hayashi who made a bunch of VN with good stories SE like always felt threatened by something they didn't believe would sell, selling a whole lot more than expected going on nearly FF levels on the handheld so they got a cheapo writer and shat out this turd

fire emblem awekening has its cheesy mechanics just like all games do.
Also it doesn't really make sense to compare the two since they don't really belong to the same genre

Everything I said was basically "the job system sucks, the story sucks and even combat starts sucking"

While I understand that the story was innovative, had twists and it's likeable, I think there's only so many plot twists you can do before it snaps, like said, the resets get tiring and by the time the game pulls their major trump card you are already exhausted and just want to get it done with

I do agree that modern JRPGs to tend to suck a bit with their plots (village boy meets girl and they kill god in the end), but there are some good ones out there. The final section of Radiant Historia was fucking amazing

It was more of the whole internet being contrarian to SE who adamantly refused to localize it saying ti wouldn't sell and nintendo steping to them again to do the publishing job here and it turned out it wasn't a bad game at all and sold truckload

those two guys were actually pretty good, too bad they ditched them for some shitty version of the old cast.

I know they aren't the same genre, but you completely ignored my point

If FEA was designed in the same way BD was, you would have to use every pair up with planned children with amazing eugenics just to beat the normal game, but it doesn't do that, you can play whatever you want (except on Lunatic, of course, but it's more of a challenge), meanwhile in BD if you try any combination that isn't broken, you just get your shit slapped and go back to ninjas and that combination with the mage class that gives everyone free turns

dude, square enix is probably the most under the rock company if nintendo had to step in to localize

Yeah, I remember the headlines about "Bravely Default is the Final Fantasy we didn't get in years" etc etc

It wasn't the first time this has happened, for some reason its always nintendo that has to come out and publish some games here because SE is too fucking retarded, same deal happened with DQ9 and I don't know if the same is also happening right now with DQ7

You can disable autosaving.

also what exactly is bad here?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravely_Second:_End_Layer

sales don't seem that bad according to Wikipedia unless im missing soemthing

sure the resets were bad, the game loses a bit of appeal towards the end but nothing is perfect, even like that it's still one of the best jrpg of the last years.

>the true ending is beating the tutorial boss on new game+

What should Bravely Third's party be if it ever gets made? Should it be a completely new cast or should they bring back two old characters like in Second?

Just ringabell and three new chars, and for fuck sake, keep Tiz and Agnes out of this, let them be happy and make kids.

4 edeas wearing different coloured tunics

just saying that although the game is far from perfect, the fact that the ending made me bittersweet because i wanted more dept into the story and characters makes it really a good game for me. this is the 3rd game in my life that got me that feeling

>getting cucked by yourself

Is there anyone more pathetic than Alternis

bump

>Just Memeabell

no thanks

all new cast please

A-user?

New Cast. New Setting. Don't depend on or overly reference the first two games outside some easter eggs. Don't pull a Golden Sun 3

Well, how about a new cast but ringabell is important for the plot? being a dimensional police and all.

>Well, how about a new cast but ringabell is important for the plot? being a dimensional police and all.

okay!

Jesus fuck I just noticed I didn't copy my entire post. The captcha didn't load so I thought I had selected it all before refreshing the page

I meant to say "Even on Hard you can do random stuff and still win if you play it right"

>you can win doing random stuff if you do specific stuff

care to explain?

>This is our coup de gravy!
>coup de gravy!
>coup de gravy!
coup de fucking gravy every. What does it even mean? Im not sure if this is even a meme or if it was the localization team bein autistic

I want to hate that but I love Futurama so I'm conflicted.

Big timeskip , Tiz and Agnes son is the main character

You can still use your favorite units, reclass them to whatever you want and have any offspring if you are a good tactician to make it work on the battlefield

It was supposed to be an analogy cause in BD you can't even try stuff that isn't outright broken, while in FE you can

>Naotaka Hayashi
>the guy who wrote bravely default worked on steins gate and remember 11

holy hell, that explains it

The grandson of Braev Lee

Call him Braev Lee Third

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Ayyy

Is the soundtrack still god tier? One of the best parts of the first game.

Its shit

They hired a new composer since Revo was already booked.

The whole looping thing plus the fact that the main characters are so goddamned stupid for falling for Airy's bullshit for so long killed most of my vim for the game.
What was wrong with combining the false ending with the real ending to not make the main characters look like complete idiots?

Also, what was up with the worlds becoming more lighthearted as the chapters progressed? The first world had you pretty much murder 90% of Edea and Ringabel's friends and family, then all of a sudden everybody is all buddies and chums whenever a fight goes down?

>The soundtrack is actually good
I don't think I've ever seen someone say a video game soundtrack was bad unless it was hyperbolically bad in the first place.

Why even bring it up honestly?

It's good. Not as good as Default's, but still good.

Ringabell and 3 sexy sluts.

You are now aware that the BD AR movie takes place in the heart chamber in eternia central command

Because when the soundtrack is bad, it's mostly just mediocre and forgettable, so people don't mention it. When it's good, they do mention it and you can see it being posted every now and again.

Three versions of Ringabel and one Edea

>They edited the slutty red indian into a cowboy
No

The native american females are NOT sexualized enough

they will pay