SMT IV: Apocalypse

A lot of people have been praising it, which is funny because before it was released in English I saw a lot of people either saying it was okay or shit.

About zero. I just finished it in about 60 hours or so with a lot of getting lost.

Can someone explain how the fuck you're supposed to be that gay peacock horse at the start? I feel like a retard. He always ends up killing me and I'm forced to restart and got through all these bs cutscenes.

ASAHI NO

It's pretty decent, I'd recommend playing on War or Apocalypse if you want difficult boss fights. Apocalypse gives you a game over if Nanashi dies but I typically just reset over that anyway for the EXP.

You can lose that fight? All you have to do is use Bufu on him every turn with Centaur and it's a free win as far as I could tell.

>They made the negotiation system better
>Improved Smirk's mechanics
All I really wanted and I got it

What exactly has changed in gameplay from IV to IVA?
I enjoyed IV, but it was also really, really easy after Minotaur.

>I'd recommend playing on War or Apocalypse if you want difficult boss fights
>Muh difficulty
Why m8

I NEED TOKI!

>he literally couldn't win against the tutorial boss

I one shotted him in my War playthrough lmao

>Nothing to play on 3DS for like 2 months
>DQ7 and SMTIVA come along a week apart

I can't handle this bros

I don't remember what part exactly you're referring to, but if you're still making your way through normal Tokyo you're nowhere near the end.

How difficult are all the different endings to get/how obvious are the alignment shifts?

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both smt iv games are boring,

the only time you can ever die if you get surprise attacked and they kill you on first turn with weakness

>Negotiation with Inugami
>HUMANS DON'T WANT TO PLAY ANYMORE, THIS SUCKS
>>Play with him
>OH, YOU PLAY?
>>Throw bone
>Inugami fucks off after the bone
>fuck
>try negotiating with an Inugami later
>OH HEY NANASHI, I GOT BONE, WE FRIENDS NOW
>Inugami joins your team
10/10

>Toki jumped in
>Vorpal Blade
>Instant Kill Activated
I love Toki

On the flip side
>Gaston jumped in
>Wails around with his spear
>Doesn't kill anything
>Uses all my turns
>"I have been chosen by God"
FUCK OFF

I WANT TOKI TO GIVE ME A NURU MASSAGE

yeah, negotiations are legit more entertaining now

Smirk is actually useful aside from covering weaknesses.
Hama and Mudo are regular damaging spells that only instakill off Smirk
Demon negotiation is a lot better
Partner mechanic is actually good
Some demons have exclusive skills only available to them
Demons that are specialised in certain skill categories will have those skills cost less mana the more they are specialised
The map has waypoints

Its pretty good and a nice step up from 4. There are a couple of translation issues though. This quest and some untranslated dialogue choices during a boss fight for example.

So basically it was casualized.

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Yep. There's also no game over function. Whenever you die Dagda just drops you off right in front of the faggot that killed you. Charon's gone entirely.

You can spend Play Coins to call in a rescue from Flynn who'll one-shot any fight you're in too. Only the DLC bosses seem to be exempt from this.

> buying
>when you can just hack your 3DS and get any game you want for free
When are you cucks ever going to learn?

>casualized
>Hama/Mudo isn't a win button anymore
>Your death will likely be your fault insead of Walter making the fucker who nulls fire behold his demons
>you no longer need to wonder where the fuck are you in Tokyo and where the fuck you're going while killing trash mobs

The game is still "either you faceroll or get walled" though so it's not completely casualized.
Also, still no social links though so people will still shy away from it.

Wait it's not even out yet and it already has DLC?

This + there's a hidden affection value that determines who Nanashi winds up marrying in the Peace/everybody lives ending.

You've got quite a while to go. Just keep playing it and leave final on your backlog if you've got it pre ordered.

In Japan, dummy. The game has been out there for a while now.

Yep. It was even datamined and it turns out the DLC's already on the cart. You're just buying an activation key.

Where are all those quotations taken from?

Actual reviews.

Did anyone find out if you can activate the level unlocking DLC if you load a JP save then load your NA one like you can with the difficulty DLC?

Why is this game so lewd?

For real? This has to be a joke.

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Purrsona 5 is a better mainline SMT game than SMT IV

>endgame was basically SMT
>fighting all the archangels

Is that a nipple?

>don't get to punch YHVH in his stupid face
What's the point?

>persona
>anything smt
Basically the only reason you came here was because you needed to tell someone that you know Japanese then.

That's what your friends are for, nobody here cares.

Did they ever confirm whether or not that huge translation error was in the retail release?

Hey.

>hidden affection value that determines who Nanashi winds up marrying
Not again

Is there a particular time in game I should wait to before doing the DLC contracts in IV? I'm the guy who was in the Tokyo bridge.

I've been in love with smt for a long, long time, and since I was 15 or so (13 years ago) SMT 3 has been my favorite jrpg.

This one is better, the casual aspects are unobtrusive and honestly welcome in a lot of cases, its not like being revived before a boss makes a boss any easier (not that I had much trouble with the game overall).

All promises kept, all debts paid, best ending of a game period.

Godslayer was here, demi-fiend is a loser that got himself tricked by lucifer and YHVH.

The game is ridiculously focussed in narrative, and does characters better than SMT has done before. I honestly thought I'd never see an SMT game I liked again after 4 came out and really disappointed me, to see apoc be this good is amazing.

I didn't like 4 at all, this game makes 4 worth it for me.

Holy shit that ending was exactly what my edgy 15 year old self wanted from the true demon path in nocturne.

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Don't worry, in the better ending you get to choose your goddess directly from a list.

Side with Dagba, I found the other ending a little disjointed and weird whereas the dagba ending flowed perfectly

Lewd Hunter is the best. Shame I didn't figure out about HANs until I already went through most of her dialogue.

Lies

Day 1. It's fucking good, even the story is pretty good for the series.

Already had it pre ordered despite pirating it. If it was bad I would have cancelled my pre order.

EU date when?
And eternal question: Why does Atlus hate europe?

What do you guys do when someone asks you for "that"?

Mara continues to provide.

pirate it retard

or just have homebrew to bypass region lock

your own fault for being a nice little cuck taking atlas's shit

I love Mara.

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You mean the bridge made of Kelpies? You're maybe 1/4 way through. Just put off Apocalypse for a week or two and finish IV

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No one cucks like gaston, fucks around like gaston no one steals your press turns then does shit all like gaston

I made Toki my goddess

Just wondering, does this game have the same demon evolutions as the original or are some moved around?

I'm in the fairy maze which way do I go each time?

You look like a tarted up clown, tone it back

as much as I laughed at this line its the one time in the game where the tone breaks completely.

>Mara has a sweet 3D model now

Oh, baby.

The game has the Atlus tax, Im not going to pay $10 extra for some badges, fuck off Atlus Im buying Dragon Quest VII instead

>even Persona 5 uses HP for physical attacks and yet SMT4 doesn't

What the fuck?

Actual SMT demons, negotiation and guns will make playing through P5 much more bearable than the others.

Read the note, can't remember direction you move in exactly but I do remember its away from the direction your shadow is pointing 3 times, then towards your shadow once, then away from your shadow again.

>buying

>negotiation

I must've lived under a rock because I didn't know negotiation was in P5. That's interesting

if P5 came out before SMT4 it actually might have.

But user, piracy is wrong.

Finished one route.
I loved all the little improvements it has over the original IV and the new demon designs were actually pretty nice this time around. Oh, but fuck that last dungeon.
Now it's off to go kill my friends I guess.

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WHITE BROS WW@

What is this, Persona?

oh fuck

I just thought it was going to be basically the same as 4 but I dig all the little changes. I wish the game was more generous with the nulls though. I'm like level 20 and I haven't seen a straight elemental null yet on any demons or armor. Even jack frost only has a resist.

The Peace/Bonds route is for the Persona kiddiies.
If you want the real SMT experience, you go with Anarchy/Massacre.

Preordered it for the medals

?

You'll understand when you play Apocalypse, user.

The kill your friends ending that the user was talking about is much more cohesive and fits in with the narrative of the story and the series as a whole.

Its not even 'evil', you make your decision who to side with, they make there's and what happens is a necessary consequence of that

>What the verdict

HALP I cant watch youtube vids and make an informed decision by myself

*theirs

My fucking brain is fried tonight

Does ol' Beezy come back as an optional boss in Final?

Something similar also happened with Fuu-ki when I talked to him while having his two brother Oni with him saying you are a master summoner and he wants you to teach him how to become stronger and joining without any negotiation

>tfw turned easy mode on to get cheaper demons from compendium and forgot to change it back after 15 hours of playing
JUST

He's back, not optional - story stuff happens. Hinduism is involved but ends up being btfo

You actually fight him as Baal at first because he is resurrected in his original image [/spoilers]

youtube.com/watch?v=0QQy1kg_gQQ

Then hack your 3DS to bypass region lock. It's retarded and serves no purpose but to piss on other people who were born in a country that isn't Japan or Burgerland.

What are the SMT games worth playing? Just Nocturne, Strange Journey, IV, and Apocalypse?

If you have not played any, going through SMT 1 and 2 is not a bad idea. Otherwise, you play all the rest, which is what you listed

what about the other DS spin offs? any good?

>Fusion Booster App
>Atlus sincerely thought giving the players the ability to fuse demons of up to 15 fucking levels higher early was """"""""""balanced""""""""""
Oh and guess what, Fusion Booster X that completely unlocks the fusion limit can also be gained on a first run and doesn't even have a level requirement

Aside from the ones you listed.
DDS is pretty solid. DeSu games are also good if you're into SRPGs.
Soul Hackers can be a hit or miss for some people.
Raidou
Get around to 1 and 2 eventually or maybe start with those.

Fucking perfect.

Nocturne > II = SJ > IV Apocalypse > IV > I

DAMMIT YOU AGAIN?
HOW MANY TIMES I NEED TO TELL YOU TO SHUT THE FUCK UP!!

>getting cucked hard in demon negotiations
>put on easy mode so I don't get killed as easy since RNG hates me
>me and friend are showing each other profiles and he sees my difficulty and ask why I'm playing on easy
>he's just shaking his head
Fug

>Nocturne
>puking_moh_shuvuu.gif
Thank YHVH Atlus noticed how trash it is and went back to its roots in all the other mainlines

I don't remember Cheat working half the time in 4. Is there something that actually determines how successful it is or is it just random?

4... isn't very good. Honestly I think you could get away with doing the prologue section to 4 (which lasts 5 hours) and then just jump straight into apocalypse.

I liked 1 a lot but its... aged poorly.

Strange journey is fun and challenging but the story is lackluster apart from the setup and you have to like first person dungeon crawlers to really enjoy it.

3 holds a special place in my heart but I first played it when I was 15, so I can't trust that opinion and neither should you. it has great atmosphere and general story flow but the ending is a bit of a tease and I think apoc is better all around. 3 also has a lot of design elements (and occasional bugs, fuck you mot) which make deaths feel cheap sometimes and can cause you to lose progress when there wasn't anything you could have done to avoid them.

I never liked smt 2.

Don't know, in Apoc it feels like it works once per demon conversation then doesn't work again. I never had it fail when I used it once anyway, and always had it fail when I tried to do it again

>at the part where you need to unseal the ark thing
>get shit loads (and already had quite a few) of app points for connecting to the internet (DDS card thing)
>use it on Fusion Booster apps and fuse High Pixie
>can now nuke everything that looks at me wrong, and it's only just starting

Jesus fucking Christ.

How do i not get bopped by King Frost? I'm awful at jrpgs.

Not him but I really hate that it penalizes you for not being a total cunt the entire time.

Like shit in the beginning where Asahi's dad flips on her for calling him, you know, dad. The option where you just shrug and go "I'm not sure what the big deal is" counts AGAINST you for massacre.

It's not even an edgelord ending but you have to be a total edgelord to get it without fucking yourself in the ass.

>turned easy mode on to get cheaper demons from compendium
Compedium is cheaper when you turn on easy mode?

Wait, what happens if you're not an edgelord and go massacre?

Get the skill that removes smirk from Angel or Spriggan.

Shouldn't have changed the difficulty, a change I ended up really liking is that if you talk to a demon enough times, even if you keep pissing it off, at some point you talk to it and it says 'oh shit, we've talked so much we must be good friends, I'm joining your party'.

Still a lot easier just to get the right answers but at least you can bang your head against a wall if a demon is being really contrary

SMT II has possibly the best story in the series, although not the best gameplay
Soul Hackers is pretty cool too

>4... isn't very good
What makes you say that? I found the gameplay and characters of 4 top-tier, although I can definitely understand complaints about the world map.

Navarre takes all your shit. No, really. He straight up empties out your entire inventory.

Massacre to Peace is even worse; Dagda releases your entire demon stock.

I just beat this niggas ass on the first try

Ice Resist armor from the Ueno, Agi on all demons
Demon selection depends on your level and if you have Fusion Booster apps or not
Regardless Napaea learns Resist Ice after a single level so you can just pass it around your demons
If you want to grind the demon domain close to Ueno that opens once you hit level 13 is a xp mine and easy as fuck with Ice + Hama spells
Daphne starts with Rakukaja, use it and have Navarre buff you as well
>not having King Frost by then as well and destroying everything with King Bufula

Wait... there's a point system behind the endings? I'd assumed you could just make the choice... I guess being a cunt to gaston and that shota paid off then

Is there any way to join up with krishna? I don't really like him but I've finished the game twice and wouldn't mind seeing his terrible curry based universe, fuck I hate his fat fuck karloman no chinned 2nd in command aswell

Peace to Massacre seems like the lesser of two evils so I'll probably do that first since having to be a straight up cunt to everything and everyone just so daddy Dadga doesn't fuck you over in case you turn tail is dumb.

Actually wait, does entire inventory include all your equipped weapons and armour too?

Nope. You have Peace/Massacre/Law/Chaos.

Chaos in particular sets up Nanashi vs Flynn demon war.

Are sukukaja and sukunda nerfed in this game? It feels like unlike previous SMT games where using 2 sukukaja's would make you dodge everything, none of my demons in this one want to dodge anything despite having over 100 agility.

RAGE DIARAMA DEKUNDA DEKAJA
YOU'RE MOVE Cred Forums

>Beast Eye
>Beast Eye
>Makakaja
>Beast Eye
>Makakaja
>Makakaja
>Beast Eye
>Beast Eye
>Makakaja
>Megidolaon
>Beast Eye
>Megidolaon
>Beast Eye
>Megidolaon
>Beast Eye
>Beast Eye
>Megidolaon
>Megidolaon
>Megidolaon

Just found the story super lackluster and it didn't add anything mechanically interesting. The extra person in combat felt terrible (I like it a lot more in apoc where you get choice and they feel more useful in general).

The endings felt bad, especially the chaos ending, although looking at it through the lense of apoc they were clearly trying to make a statement about what 'chaos' was that they just failed at.

The neutral ending was clearly the prime ending and the requirements for it were onerous and in some cases obscure.

The tone felt very un-smtlike and while I get that they were going for a thing with the samurai stuff and the fish out of water scenario I don't think it worked very well.

The battles felt like a cakewalk apart from maybe minotaur (not talking about the no game over, I actually like that as a balance to punishing combat, its not like being rezzed before the boss fight means you can actually take the boss) and I think they badly mishandled the difficulty curve. I'm not one to say oh a game needs to be super hard to be good but the middle and ending should really be harder than the first 5 hours.

Flynn is the most bland SMT protagonist, both in the decisions he can make and his general design, and I think they lost direction in the story and just tried to pander to old fans of the series with the time travel plot - I don't mind pandering and I love time travel, but not at the expense of a cohesive narrative.

I'm not saying its a really bad game, its a fine jrpg in a lot of way, but I think it has a lot of flaws that the other games in the series don't have

You will rarely dodge single attacks(unless demon has beast/dragonic reactions).
At least one demon will dodge a multi attack if the difference is +3 between opponents hit and your dodge (aka, 3 sukukajas or 2 sukukajas and 1 sukunda).

Until you get fog/acid breath to stack multiple debuffs, rakukaja is the better options.

I will say this though , 4 luster candies and 4 debilitates made every demon miss most of their attacks by endgame (until half of them used dekunda or something equivalent)

Can you even benefit from that streepass feature if you are a neet

There is an internet version of it in the game. Can spotpass with NA and JP versions.

I think so, even at full -3 enemy + 3 party you get a lot of turns where the enemy doesn't get any misses. I think its not a bad change, they were too strong in the earlier games and fog breath is still a premiere skill early to mid game. Its not like its completely useless, the enemy still misses enough to make it feel like you didn't waste the turn casting it, but you are probably better off using raku and taru before you have candy/dehab

google this: Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse (UNDUB) - USA - Region Free
superior version free

Starting to feel like not touching the fusion app points or any of the dds stuff was the right choice. I guess the positive thing is you don't need to engage with the features if you don't want to

>Like shit in the beginning where Asahi's dad flips on her for calling him, you know, dad. The option where you just shrug and go "I'm not sure what the big deal is" counts AGAINST you for massacre.
>waifufags

I personally only got bonus app points the first time I used the feature. 9 more times later and I haven't gotten anymore points after the first time.

The dub isn't bad, and I quite like dadga's english VA even if he isn't fucking Char like the jap dub (his delivery gets a lot better towards the end of the game, goes from passable to real fucking good)

I actually like Toki's dub a lot, although I get the feeling she's done by a VA I usually fucking hate that happened to nail it this time, I've not looked up who it is.

An user earlier said there was a huge translation fuckup, anyone know what it is?

>I think they lost direction in the story and just tried to pander to old fans of the series with the time travel plot - I don't mind pandering and I love time travel, but not at the expense of a cohesive narrative.
Dimension hopping, not time travel. I don't think that specific part was bad at all, but I do agree that SMT4 feels a lot like Atlus saying "here's an SMT for you that's more like the old MegaTens" instead of trying more clearly to be its own experience.

He's in Persona 5

>tfw don't understand the fusion system and just fuse shit willy-nilly

>want to play Raidou
>not available on European PSN
>don't have a working PS2 anymore
>processor can't handle PS2 emulation

Pretty sure Toki is Cassandra Lee Morris. She's the Yuri Lowenthal for dub loli voices now.

>huge translation fuckup
There's one instance where the choices are still in Japanese.

It's bad for sure, but I'm not sure if I'd call if a huge fuckup, it's not like it actually breaks the game.

If anyone wants to join the Cred Forums discord and talk about the game feel free to join!

discord.gg/Z9TTar9

Nice filename

Yeah, it's better than the card system before but makes cheesing shit so much easier

My experience with dds was
>fire it up
>you need to accept nintendo's terms
>oh right, I never fixed me fucking up the switch from rxtools to reinand whatever I'll continue to do nothing about this.

I was hurting a little for app points at some points in the game but I did make some purchases I really didn't need to (most notably all of the fundraise skills because I wanted to grind fusion cash pre-merkabah fight

The parameters where you can choose which race you want to end up wit hand including compendium make it so much easier to plant it out.

do you have the .cia for the DLC?

I don't even understand why that would be useful.

So, do you get black card quest automatically at some point?

It's much faster to remember to go to ginza and the Daiba region down below whenever you can, that's like 80000 cash.
Also, Compendium discounts are better in the long run.
Really, aside from the Skill expansions that come every 25 levels, you should only buy a few extra demon slots, the next upgrade to negotiation and the fundraiser for the challenge quest.

After that, you can buy what you want but I found MP recover making things a bit faster

>fights are literally decided within the first turns of the battle
It's nice to know that'll lose a fight simply by missing first.

Not going to lambast anyone for liking 4, I just felt personally dissapointed in it.

I'd say that a lot of its my own fault because I'd built up mainline shin meg too much in my mind because I was trusting my retarded 15 year old self, except that Apocalypse came out and reaffirmed that the series could be amazing.

If SMT 4 had been a spinoff game called SMT: An SS division waltzes around france I may have judged it less for how lackluster the main plot felt.

Don't regret it existing, but I think there is a point in that game where if you aren't feeling it you can just skip ahead straight to apoc without missing a beat.

youtube.com/watch?v=1mLiuqKXMCo

can you post the mega link that dude has hidden behind a like? the fucking website won't let me register

If there was generally more reaction from people in Tokyo to you coming from fucking above instead of like 4 npcs , sidequests were clearer and alignment system did not require you to act like a lunatic for Neutral, it would be a slightly more compelling trip.

Instead, it felt that for 70% of the game, I might as well have been a hunter starting from Tokyo

yeah I barely bothered with relic farming, which is my fault. I didn't have much problems with cash until that point when I just wanted to grab a quick 100k so that I could make 2 fusions I felt I needed for the fight (one of the demons in the area I'm talking about gives you 5k every time you paralyze-> extort it, and you can literally just sit in the same battle doing it over and over until you have the cash you need)

>mfw YHVH's true form is an ExDeath lookalike and gets killed by the power of friendship

LMMMMMAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOO, do people still care about this shit? Series should've died with Nocturne

You can kill him without power of friendship too.
And yes, people care about cause shit is still fun

>went Peace

>waaah I went the bitch route and acted like a bitch

Isn't he alive because of people's beliefs and emotions for him? What is so hard to believe that friendshipshit could beat him?

>Went peace
>Complains about it
You are the only one to blame.

The power of friendship thing is only true in one of the endings, in the much better that I feel should be the default ending you beat him with the power of being really fucking strong, having a mind crushed Fynn at your side, and personally and absolutely rejecting YHVH. I played through to get the friendship is magic ending and that path feels a bit disjointed and weird, like they wanted the other ending but felt like they had to do the friendship ending for the people that want it - having the option to go down the power of friendship path through an explicit choice that is you saying 'my friends matter more than your well thought out plan dagba' doesn't make the game worse when you can choose 'Yeah what you're saying makes sense'

Its your friends that then decided to turn shit into a massacre, not you so I don't even thing its being overly edgelord, its just a necessary consequence of your disagreement.

>goes Persona route
>complains he gets a Persona ending
???

Its not really the power of friendship, its you relying on you're friends to express the rejection of YHVH rather than doing it yourself. Flynn acts like a pussy during it but he always does, and while its the bitch option I think calling it the power of friendship defeating him is a little reductive. Because you don't have the conviction of cause you have in the other path you have to rely on the crutch of your friends to come up with ways to reject YHVH up with ways to reject YHVH

Are there any Fiends in Apocalypse?

Yeah, but they are all in the one dungeon while you get all the ones you'd expect the end of that dungeon is locked behind dlc for some reason.

one of the two things I dislike about the game (the other thing being the green dagger mechanic)

Still better than 4's terrible 1/256 spawn chance

ye, they have a dungeon just for all of them

youtube.com/watch?v=FSE0bMT-AQw&list=PLcGOHQoemFze08rtZs6VCbhIhXTtAFcjT&index=119

XD

>select all squares with street signs
> go outside to get a street sign
> remember your monitor is not touchscreen

>Toki is half my age
>feelsbadman

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Take some demons
Mix and match until you find something you want
Realise that the specialisations conflict with you list of inheritable skills
Rinse and repeat until you find something that you want that's workable

I think they way [spoilers] she calls you master[/spoilers] is worse (better?) than than, especially how she acts when her body is taken over by/changed by inana and wants your babies[/spoilers] and how she acts when you chose to make her your goddess[/spoilers]

I'm gonna do it
I'm gonna take mermaid to the endgame and I won't remove her from my team
How do I make her get HUGE

So while I wait for it to arrive into Europe, should I play SMT IV?

I think they way she calls you master is worse (better?) than than, especially how she acts when her body is taken over by/changed by inana and wants your babies and how she acts when you chose to make her your goddess

You buy the grinding DLC like a good goy.
Or pirate it. Whatever.

Why do we keep having these thread it's not out yet.

Yes, of course.

pirate it you cuck they deserve it for horrible releases in EU or at least bypass region lock

3ds hacking to get regionfree has never been easier, even if you are over 11.0 you can hack it if a friend has a hacked 3ds, or you could advertise on craiglist or something I guess for someone in your area with a hacked 3ds that can help you and either get your 3ds or free surprise sex

>he didn't know it leaked last Tuesday with DQ7

the game has been leaked for pirates for a week now

and considering how easy it is to hack 3ds most people have already played it

Oh shid.

I usually pirate but I really give too much shit about SMT, and know I gotta support a new game or else it's personaville for another half decade.

Bullshit. Hama/Mudo fixed, Tetrakarn/Mara is way further in the game and isn't ez modo at level 30 anymore.

That said, the fiends seem easier and aren't 1/256 anymore thank fucking god. That took me too long to get all of them in IV

What did she mean by this?

SMT game that wasn't labeled SMT in the states.

I had already preordered it before the leak happened. I just got early access is all.

DLC with the other SMT protags when?

Just finished DeSu Overclocked. Did Naoya's ending and it was surprisingly... good? for a chaos ending.
Is Record Breaker worth getting? Thinking about getting it tomorrow when I buy Apocalypse

In October.

>every change I get I act like a complete dick
>the game just forces me back in the "good" option
I thought I was a godslayer not a bootlicker.

Just buy all of the demon stat up on level bonuses and dump as many hp ups as you can find on her - make sure you fuse one with a decent skillset though or you might need to refuse her later.

The biggest issue you'll have is her hp, she'll fall behind in levels but her stats will be fine, she'll just die too easy.

On my second playthrough I took a Cú Chulainn and a pixie that I'd fused before hand to have really good skills from the beginning of the game to the end Cú Chulainn remained a beast throughout (although he had low mana his hp was the fine, life surge and mana surge help a lot if you want to do something like this)

I had to bench pixie in the final fight because she just didn't have enough hp. did use invite to bring her in to res the MC at one point because I only had invite on my main demons so it wasn't like she was useless, probably saved the fight.

you WILL have to re-fuse her and relevel her near the end I think, just to give her concentrate/that almight skill that starts with a or luster candy/dehabilitate or the better healing spells (or combinations of those depending on what you want her to do) but you should be able to grind her up to a decent point fairly quickly, the real problem is going to be finding health up items

DDS works with Englando copy? Fug

Being a godslayer isn't about being a cunt though, its about strength of conviction. I'll be interested to see how the points break down in the end and where you pick them up since in my two playthroughs I acted basically the same and didn't run into this.

At least you can fuse him 2bh. He's okay but at this point I've settled with my party of fiends and shit

It's not even out until tomorrow
And the good dlc isn't until 27 and oct 4

Do you have to go Massacre to fuse him?
Went with Bonds and never got the option to fuse him.

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So how the fuck do you proceed in the Hall of Eternity? Si there anything I can use to guide myself?

Did 4 get a patch to make it easier? Started a new run for shits and giggles, and I was able to take out Ares in the gauntlet sidequest at level 13, with level 10 - 12 demons, in about 5 turns. On my previous run, I kept getting fucked in the ass, without lube or the common courtesy of a reach around, at level 16 or 17 with better demons and abilities.

Forget it, I manage to stumble on Belial by accident

it just seems strange that you can't join him, it would have taken almost zero extra work to make ending for him, just a few different voicelines and a much shorter ending sequence than dagba's sequence where after taking out YHVH krishna says 'ok now you fuse with me' and you die, then you get a text card like the chaos/law endings because you made a terrible decision.

SMT IV was always easy

I keep seeing screenshots of it but I don't see Space Marine in it. What gives, Atlus?

POTATO HOUSE WHERE ARE YOU WHEN I NEED YOU

You could just buy a PS2 for like 40 bucks, especially if there are other PS2 games you want to play

Someone should post the edit for this user here.

I was thinking of buying this game, but don't want to deal with all the DLC crap. How bad is it for this game, I may just pass on it if there is to much DLC.

After minotaur I agree, but the early game can be difficult.

I know, but the dlc cia file for Devil Survivor 2 and apparently the jp version of Final unlocks all the in-cart DLC early, I hope that it's the same for this

not much to do apart from try every door, if it helps draw a crude map of the two rooms in each hall and cross off doors when you enter them. The in game map is super unhelpful for this. you can tell which room you are in by looking for either the healing room or the dagger charge symbol depending on which set of two rooms you are on - thinking about it the first game the symbol was different on the story important door but I didn't think to check that this time

you do realize all the DLC is optional

i did him first try with media + demons with whatever his weakness was

dont remember him being hard but obviously early game was harder than rest of the game

>paying the Atlus tax for 3DS games

According to this GameFAQs post it kind of works.

gamefaqs.com/boards/181823-shin-megami-tensei-iv-apocalypse/74307890

there's a lot of shitty dlc you can ignore completely, especially the cheat ones since you never need them.

There's some decent dlc later I believe, but its not like any of its essential to the game

>believing that the platform trumps the fact that its a damn good game

Do you get anything from finishing 4? I totally forgot to get on that.

>mainliners will defend this

Nothing apart from a profound sense of disappointment in the games ending.

As for carry over stuff its all terrible anyway, either dds title cards or app points, I didn't even bother importing my save

Yes. More/different rewards based on how many of the endings you got.

I would try it, but I don't want to risk corrupting my save data

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Implying that acting like a literal nigger is something to be proud of

Well, why you thing she was fucking eaten?

workouts
get that girl buff with grinding
she better have abs like cobblestones by the time your fucking done, user!

I am defending it... she gets shut the fuck down for doing it and her general out of placeness in the party is a plot point, one that gets resolved in her sudden death, that is permanent if you don't go the bitch route

Even the horrible Toki quotes in this thread make perfect sense in terms of her being taken over in part by an ancient fertility goddess because she thought she be a baddass and handle horrible mind altering miasma

Well Naoya's 8th day has 2 different endings depending whether or not you kill humans.
2 Record Breaker is generally considered to have better gameplay than 1, but not as good of a story or atmosphere. It's still fun to play, but the full on anime tropes and the difference in atmosphere turn some people off.

alright, I just ended up spoiling myself on the endings so I'm good for story.

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I'm guessing you chose the humane path rather than killing humans?

>that is permanent if you don't go the bitch route
You can choose her as your goddess.

To be honest though, you can choose anyone since they all fucking die.

>that medusa
>"now I'm back even more beautiful than before"
That's not saying much but she does look a lot better

HOnestly, why would anyone even choose the other path when this one gives you a literal army in the end

I bet some people that go genocide will choose monjey to cuck flynn, only to discover that he is now a mindless battle machine and doesn't give a fuck.

Yes. It seemed pretty pointless and stupid to kill the other demon tamers, especially when it was so easy to avoid human confrontations and casualties in certain missions.

Is Dex/Guns still as absurdly broken as it was in IV?

Nice try Atlus, but Asashi still isn't cute

The ending itself isn't canon anyway, Apocalypse starts after Fynn does all the sidequests and chooses the neutral path but before he goes and faces off against either of the factions.

The only required info from 4 is

1. What the deal is with mikado and tokyo in general.

2. what happens with the hunter that takes pictures (Apoc sort of assumes you know her backstory)

3. that Flynn is a reincarnation of the dude that killed himself to save tokyo I can't remember if that was confirmed in the main game or as part of the dlc.

4.Certain bits will make more sense if you know what the deal is with jonathon/walter, the game doesn't do a bad job of giving you the basics but is very brusque with it.

That's it, nothing else you do in that game matters at all.

I tried a dex/gun build, got to the 50's then just started over. Couldn't handle the long edging, just wanted the money shot.

Dex now only effects gun
Phys runs off str

There's actually a shift in tone depending on what you do
>Atsuro starts to get super exhausted mentally since he's having a rough time dealing with the fact that he's killing people
>Mari doesn't join because Kaido doesn't want his waifu getting caught up in their mess
>She tries and fails to convince Yuzu and Midori that what you're doing is right
>Amane goes full lawfag
>Yuzu and Midori join Metatron and fight you during his fight
>Yuzu wants nothing to do with you anymore

chosing to side with dagba's convictions then choosing to bring back asahi of all people

Who the fuck would do this, I can't understand it at all. Even if you liked Asahi as a waifu you're subjecting her to a pretty terrible fate as your fuck doll because there is no way she could ever be on board with what you are doing. At least Toki understands strong convictions, God botherer has been a mindless slave before, nobody cares about picture girl and half demon has also served someone completely before... I need to go back and try to chose navarre if you're able, how the fuck does he even act.

why it it even caled dex/guns build in the first game when dex boosts phy damage too?

>Yuzu wants nothing to do with you anymore
The perfect route.

I went dex/guns on my first playthrough. Its still slow to start off and really strong at the end, but I don't think its much stronger than strength or mage. Magic feels better in general and the MC gets a skill late game that gives him pierce on all of his attacks regardless of what they are.

The do a good job of making this MC feel like the most powerful mechanically as well as lore-wise in the series, although part of that is from the demon looking over his shoulder feeding him power directly.

I would if I didn't have firmware 11.0+ and didn't want to risk bricking my 3DS by fucking with the wiring.

Yuzu is the fucking worst. It's a pity her route gets more fleshed out in overclocked and becomes more than 'well you were a retard for listening to her, you fucked up' because that's something I really enjoyed about the original release

>this shit cost me $72 Canadian when I preordered

At least shipping was free...

>Chaos
>evil
>Law
>good

u wot m8

DID THEY CENSOR HER LUSTING FOR THE D?

No. Scene is fully voiced too.

I'm on hard mode first playthrough, got to this motherfucker and haven't played since.

First turn:
>Accuracy/dodge maximized

They censored nothing in the game

it's 100x better than 4 so far

navigating the map is better
demon negotiations are better
demon fusion is a lot better

would recommend against playing on hard and above on a first playthrough since there's some stupid accuracy penalty bullshit on higher difficulties

Her lusting for the d is still pretty heavy, that exclamation is more like an 'oh shit I'm cumming my pants at MC this shouldn't be happening to me' than a 'Too young think of the children'

She acts quite lewd for 98% of whats left of the game after that, and part of her reason for accepting Inana's takeover of her is that inana promises that shill will bear a lot of babies for MC

Not sure what the original script was but it doesn't feel like something that was toned down

That's edited, right?

There's no way that shit made it into a game localized for release on the most censored platform in recent memory.

>Americans crying about their vidya price inflation
>meanwhile said 72 Kanuck bucks comes out as cheaper than if I were to buy the game locally/from the eshop when it finally comes out in Europe
Importing never felt so good

It isn't.

The game is super long, I guess no one outside of the in house localization team played enough of it to question it. I didn't run in to mara but that isn't going much further than some of the other stuff I saw in the game

You have to go back to the room with the big rock where you first unsealed Krishna and click on it after fighting Vishnu Flynn. He then becomes a special fusion. Did it on bonds route

I'm loving all the little changes so far im giving it a 9/10

>fighting Dante for the first time
>Debuff and buff like usual, he uses Dekunda but not Dekaja
>die in a bad string of crits and Panic after he starts using provoke
>Die and try again
>Max out Sukukaja this time to just dodge everything once the taunting starts
>He keeps hitting me all the time
>die again
>Look him up and find out his attacks are undodgeable

Oh.

Theres some scenes that will make any monster TF/mind alter/forced pregnancy fetishists happy. Not my sort of thing but I did raise an eyebrow at it getting onto a nintendo console

So, when it doesn't fit your carefully crafter censorship narrative you scream that its a lie? How sad

I really need to load up my conviction save before the final boss and just go everywhere in the game again and fill out all the sidequests, seems like I missed a fair bit

Ingest the Magatama that gives you immunity to Force (might be Wadatsumi), recruit a Nozuchi, and get yourself an Uzume for healing if you're willing to get a few levels in. Preferrably get a demon that learns Rakukaja so you can mitigate Andalucia.

3 has a bunch of small shitty things like that unfortunately. Great game but it wasn't perfect and a lot of its game design sensibilities were stuck in the early 90s. Most of the difficulty was great and could be countered with a bit of thought but some times it just broke its own rules or just had systems in general that were more annoying than difficult.

Was still my favorite jrpg until Apoc came out, but 15 year old me was a bit of a retard so I missed its problems and never really looked it it critically with an adult brain until I saw a lot of those systems fixed in apoc. (

(Holy shit light and dark spells are so much better the way they are now, bullshit rng random encounter first turn mudo kills were the worst when you didn't have access to a way to block it or didn't know the enemies in the area used them yet)

The Smirk system as it is in apoc is a much better way to give bosses extra power in a counter-able way compared to the weird half solution of giving bosses a bunch of extra half turns with magic that 3 used

No, its more like "wow that is pretty blatant dick jokery going on there I think this might be a ruse".

I'm glad that it's not.

You can go back to covering anime tiddies with sharpie now.

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I didn't get that far in SMT4 before i lost my save but i still really wanna play this one.
Should i just say fuck it and go for it or will i be too lost story wise?

Fuck off, Betatron.

Just goes to show that all it takes is the dev team actually giving a shit and/or the company doing localization in house for content to make it over here unfucked.

Quick Question: I had this preordered at Gamestop but I'll end up far away from that store all day tomorrow, but near another one. Could I still pick it up at the other store or am I stuck till wednesday?

How far did you make it?

What are the little changes user?

post yfw metatron horde

what are some apps worth getting? Just started and going to Ueno now. I was going to pick up threatening aura for better negotiations, but I just unlocked the one that recovers MP while walking so I'm gonna save up my points for that.

A big ole bull with a skullface, so not very far

Demon skills, your skills, demon fusion booster

Massive spoilers ahead

The once we mass produce the big metatron/holy shit metatron is the production model moment was one of my favorite moments in the game. It really trivialized some of metatron's achievements

You have to go to the store you put the preorder in at.

skill slots, stock expansions, mp regen and fundraise

>wow that's pretty blatant dick jokery

It wouldn't be Mara without it

meant to say

>demi-fiend's achievements

fucking brain

Only get fundraise if you don't like grabbing relics/are going to find good demons to spam paralyze ->fundraise on, otherwise pick up the compendium price reductions instead

Just to be sure: Is this shit localized by Atlas, or Treehouse?

They're both shut but I'm pretty sure it's Atlus.

sullies the _____

i've been doing both while selling healing items and i never have enough macca. also i don't need to worry about getting demons to set paralysis when i'm a dex/luk build.

Atlus. Which is why things like this made it in.

Apocalypse is fine stand alone, but there will be some things lost on you if you didn't play 4. The game does give a few notes/small recaps on stuff that happened in 4 but you lose out on some stuff regardless.

4 wasn't by treehouse. #fe wasn't by treehouse. EO4/EOU/EOU2 weren't treehouse. Why would this be?

Seriously, fuck the Atlus tax. It makes no sense to me why their games cost $10 more than most other games on the 3ds especially when atlus 3ds games have low production values. Dragon Quest, 7th Dragon, Fire Emblem, I could understand if those games were $10 more than the normal default price, they actually have decent production values.

Atlus games look like they were shitted out of Rpg Maker. Then again, Corpse Party is a Rpg Maker game and that piece of shit also costs $10 more than a normal retail priced 3ds game.

I've been a fan of Atlus ever since Revelations Persona 1, but I fucking hate the jewwing they constantly do these days just because SMT cucks don't mind paying $10 more than a normal goy just for their SMT fix.

>mfw binding the random encounter Metatrons and taking all their macca.

Is this even worth playing if you havent finished IV? Ive been stuck for way too long on this game.

it basically only costs more to kill further reverse importing by putting games at a comparable pricing and justify the physical bonuses.

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Yes, as long as you got into Yokyo and have a general idea of what's going on the game will make 100% sense to you. This game starts before that game ends and 80% of the events of 4 mean nothing in the greater scheme of things.

If you got stuck and gave up in SMTIV you'll probably get stuck and give up in this one.

Meant to say Tokyo, I think I'm having a stroke

Depends on the reasons he stopped, apocalypse has a much tighter/focused narrative thats more likely to engage him.

Please tell me this is a joke.
SMT on Nintendo consoles was a mistake.

Where can you get Pyro Jack at?

Not that guy, but I stopped shortly into Tokyo because navigating that map blew ass.

Is that still a thing?

I fucking love pins

>treehouse
They would have just removed the side quest.

TMS is legit more fun, but the game is really good, and much better than IV overall.

Nope. Map can now ping your current location and your next objective.

I really hope for your sake that you are really not this stupid.

>TMS is legit more fun
No one will ever take you seriously.
But really, gameplay felt like a shittier DDS.

>TMS
What is that again.

KOWASHITAI

KOWASHITAI

hashtag fire emblem

>Napaea: Resist Ice
>Nozuchi: Resist Fire
>Ictinike: Resist Force
>Spriggan: Resist Light
>Tangata Manu: Resist Gun

No idea, i'll be playing it in a couple months on Citra. January probably

i havent played a smt should I get apocalypse

This entire time I thought it was called this

>3DS
>Buy

The main quests are better because the map pings where you should be going but sidequests are still pretty terrible.

Apart from that the map navigation is the same, but I think there are less random battles on the map which makes it a bit smoother/faster - sometimes I'd just walk to another location instead of using the terminals since it was faster than loading through the screens/getting to the terminal

have you played persona? if so you'll like this

Play smt IV first.

>demon
>not renamed to fiend

DO PHYSICAL ATTACKS TAKE FUCKING HP THIS TIME AROUND?
SMT4 made every physical demon useless as fuck because they had no mp to pull off jack shit

If you were ever going to get into the series its the most accessible but... probably not. SMT final is a culmination of threads going back all the way to SMT 1 and a lot of stuff is assumed knowledge (the great will, how chaos and law work as well as a bunch of other smaller things[whats the deal with stephen? what is a zan? to name a few])

You might have fun, if you can get it for free then by all means try it but I wouldn't be surprised if you gave up on it pretty early

No

0-4 I wait and play this starting tomorrow when it gets in the mail

5-9 I start Super Robot Wars OG which came in the mail today instead

No reason not to play IV first except the silly difficulty at first, I don't know why they did that

Is Magic still good in this game, I seem to remember going full MA in IV and would like to do the same.

nope, sorry. A bunch of phys demon's have the mp pool to handle using their skills because skills cost less mp for demon's that have an affinity for their type though, but there were a few demon's that felt somewhat lacking in that department - none of the bigger ticket phys attackers felt like they had the problem.

It's sharp FE. Like in a musical score. Where the fuck did you get hashtag from?

Wait until Cu Culainn at level 50 for the passive that fully restores mp upon victory.
So basically when you reach 35 witht the fusion app

Anybody?

They don't have to, I know the truth, and that is what counts. DDS is worse than IV, by the way.

And Nocturn is overrated as fuck. Easily the FF7 of SMT. A pretty good game that is vastly overblown by the fanbase casuals.

Kasumigaseki. It's close to Ginza
Or just use the fusion search tool you know

>game is literally about getting extra press turns by exploiting elemental weaknesses
>is magic good
Yes it still is by far best build
Also Hama is goat now

Magic is the same early-mid, better mid-late game as there are a bunch of elemental attacks that piece on smirk, then late game you get access to an ability that gives all of your skills pierce so more setups become viable.

There is also a high level demon that has a sevre-all almighty attack that causes dehabilitate on smirk.

Fuck I forgot this shit had to install. 4 fucking hours.

Guess that overrides my roll.

>he didnt play SMT4
Mara's most prominent display was there for all to see

Early game sucked but once you hit mid game a high luck gun build starts criting and smirking so much that it may as well be hitting a weakness. All of the builds are strong in this one because none of them fall off at the end due to lack of pierce options.

I do wonder how a magic/luck build would do now, given how good some of the added effects on spells are on smirk

> dialogue choices

Who the fuck thought that was a good idea in any SMT game after PURSEOWNER made dialogue choices be forced into every single RPG in modern times?

>Try to go Law after YHWH as me to join him
>"Son of man, did you really think I killed Asahi?"
>Dialogue wheel says "Doubt"
>think my Nanashi is going to say something along the lines of "I don't believe you killed her"
>dialogue starts
>"You are full of shit, the truth is you hated that bitch. You followed her and dragged her onto your Dimension and then knocked her out. She woke up and you smashed her face in with a God Hand. And then you stomped her. You stomped her because she's a drunken whore and she treated you like shit. You stomped her for all the years you had to take it. You stomped her because you are such a weak fucking nigger and you wanted to erase all memory of it. Go on. Try to deny it"
>YHWH I'm talking to starts uncontrollably crying
>dialogue choices gives me 4 new options
>want to console him because I didn't see it coming that my character would flip out like that
>pick [Glass Him] to give him a drink
>character picks up a Sky Vodka bottle and smashes his face in
>Dude drags himself across the ground screaming for help
>chose dialogue option [Help Him]
>my character starts screaming "Oh I'll help you alright." walks up to him and stomps the shit out of his back and breaks his skull with a Ragnarock
>"+10 Renegade" pops up at the top of my screen and my character's face suddenly starts to look like a burn victim that went tanning
>Flynn walks over to the guy and says some cheesy line along the lines of "Guess this will make BREAKING NEWS when they find his corpse"
>chose dialogue option "Very funny"
>character says "Fuck you"
>suddenly approached by the Persona 4 cast as they scream "HOW COULD YOU DENY THE TRUTH IN YOUR HEART?"
>they ask me if I was the one who murdered the man
>dialogue wheel pops up again
>chose the option [Deny]
>"It Ain't Me" starts playing

DDS had a better story and world than 4 (as 4 presented it anyway), but the dungeon design paired with encounter rates made it a terrible slog that I could never recommend to anyone.

I think shin meg 3 gets a lot of love not because of its place in its series but how different and atmospheric it was in comparison to the jrpgs that were out at the time. I find the FF7 comparison a little unfair because there were other jprgs at the time that beat FF7 in every respect except graphics - it also hadn't been ten years since the last FF game.

What is wrong with you, dialogue options have been in shin meg games since day 1 and for the options in this game make sense, with battle dialogue and consequences that add to a fight.

Since you think YHVH somehow killed Asahi I'm hoping you havn't played the game, because you are spouting nonsense and if you played it I feel sorry for you're terrible disabilities.

Its nice that the internet exists so that people like you can get to ape interacting with other people in some small meaningless way.

Does it have a meh characters, shit difficulty curve (too easy by the end) and rushed ending routes? I was disappointed with IV in those aspects and it's making me consider waiting on Apocalypse. Does it fix all of the above?

>not playing it on the only platform that can run it in full HD 1080p

How viable/interesting is a gun focused build?
I usually do Magic in SMT games so I thought I should try to do something different.

It's poorly modified pasta you tremendous retard.

>Dialogue wheel says "Doubt"
>think my character is going to say something along the lines of "I don't believe you"
>dialogue starts
>"You are full of shit, the truth is you hated that bitch. You followed her and dragged her onto your Brahmin and then took her out to the Vault. She woke up and you smashed her face in with a Power Fist. And then you stomped her. You stomped her because she's a drunken whore and she treated you like shit. You stomped her for all the years you had to take it. You stomped her because you are such a weak fucking sister and you wanted to erase all memory of it. Go on. Try to deny it
>guy I'm talking to starts uncontrollably crying
>dialogue wheel gives me 4 new options
>want to console him because I didn't see it coming that my character would flip out like that
>pick [Glass Him] to give him a drink
>character picks up a nuka cola bottle and smashes his face in
>guy drags himself across the ground screaming for help
>chose dialogue option [Help Him]
>my character starts screaming "Oh I'll help you alright." walks up to him and stomps the shit out of his back and breaks his legs with a Super Sledge
>Codsworth hovers over the guy and says some cheesy line along the lines of "Guess this will make BREAKING NEWS when they find his corpse"
>chose dialogue option "Very funny"
>character says "Fuck you"

Yes to all of them, characters are a lot better except for the one that gets btfo for being out of place in the group. The final boss is the hardest boss in the game, the difficulty curve is fine although overall it didn't give me much trouble outside of needing to do some fusions to get past fights on the default difficulty setting.

There are only 2 ending routes (with two other routes that function more like bad ends because you made a shitty choice given the information you had) and one of those routes is the best done ending in any mainline shin megami game. The other one... well your mileage may vary but you you have to be a certain sort of person to make the choice that gets you that ending and that sort of person likes that sort of thing I guess.

There are a host of other small problems with SMT 4 that Apoc fixes as well.

For what its worth I really disliked 4 and love the shit out of Apoc.

Dex+luck+status effect bullets shits on every random encounter.

>one of those routes is the best done ending in any mainline shin megami game.
peace?

The other one... well your mileage may vary but you you have to be a certain sort of person to make the choice that gets you that ending and that sort of person likes that sort of thing I guess.
Anarchy?

They letting computers on the slow bus? The sentiment that putting dialogue choices into shin meg is a terrible idea is still pants, and the way he modified the pasta shows a general lack of knowledge about not only the game, but also how humor works in general.

What about my last post suggests that I didn't recognize it was a pasta, it was the first two lines I took issue with because they were pointing to a problem the game just doesn't have.

You aren't going to get me angry on the internet so stop trying fish, unplug your 300 dollar laptop and go masturbate at the back of the bus while you think about what you've done

Dex build best build.
Shoot YHVH right in his golden face.

Will I run into this problem naturally, or is it just a possibility?

it's bait you fucking aspie

Just be a dick to everyone if you're worried about that.
There seems to be some wiggle room though that will let you pick either route without getting fucked over if you balance the choices right.

Other way around for me, but at the end of the day which one applies to which applies to you. I thought that the peace ending felt weird and jilted, the jump from killing krishna to going off to where you go to kill who you kill.

One ending it was the plan all along, the other was fuck that was a weird dream, guess he's right though lets trust him unconditionally and kill god[/spoilers]

Is it called the anarchy ending anywhere official? because there isn't a lot of anarchy involved, just conviction.

Speaking of, is the game implying that Stephen is the true avatar of the great will, who wants YHVH to stop having a laugh? I can't really work out what else he could be

>Muh persona Boogeyman
This is why we should never ever let 12 year olds play any vidya games

>You aren't going to get me angry on the internet so stop trying fish
Considering your longass post ranting about how not mad you are, you are pretty goddamn mad.
Quite possibly naturally. The Massacre choices basically amount to "fuck every last one of you for you are worth less to me than the smoke from my vape."

It's weird. Massacre's not even an edgelord ending but you have to be one to get it without a pentalty.

>You aren't going to get me angry on the internet so stop trying fish, unplug your 300 dollar laptop and go masturbate at the back of the bus while you think about what you've done

I didn't have a problem and I wasn't trying to be a dick - I did act coldly towards people I thought I should (the obvious spy and the ultralaw) and that seemed to be enough not to proc it

>Massacre's not even an edgelord ending
>It's literally about killing every single human being
Yeah, not edgelord at all

Why is Flynn so fucking cool?

Dat hime cut.

tfw Massacre will be as annoying to get unpenalized as the neutral end in SMT IV

I went bonds on my first run, not looking forward to fucking up Massacre and losing everything

I read the choices a bit differently on the kills themselves. Like yes you can choose ahaha I'm a psychopath but a lot of the choices read as 'I have compassion for you but I have conviction in my choice and your opposition means despite what I need to do I care about you"

I don't think the 'comfort' 'thank' etc were sarcastic, and I think Toki even understands why you're doing it because she doesn't react badly at all to you saying comfort.

Gaston's response to you thanking him is pretty hilarious because he just doesn't understand at all.

The deaths aren't permanent. Massacre is basically TDE, except there's a Big Bang/Rebirth afterwards that you and your goddess control, so everyone comes back unless you don't want them to.

The entire reason the SMTverse went to hell is because YHVH was so utterly alone he could only commit to an endless cosmic war. Nanashi covers this by having a goddess to act as his equal. So the new universe will never fall into the shithole the old one did.

WEW THATS ACTUALLY GOOD LOGIC

There is no way it is anywhere as strict as as the SMT 4 ending,

As long as you aren't acting like a sociopath who only wants to please everyone, or a just mindlessly accepting of people you clearly shouldn't be trusting 100% you'll be fine I'm sure.

I suspect it might be more important that you agree with dagba when he chimes in about a situation and less weighted on choices like being compassionate towards your childhood friend, but I guess we won't know till aspies make guides

According to the moon guide I've referenced for level up moves

"It should be noted that, if you choose this route massacre on that have chosen many choose to think the fellow up to now, the item will be discarded."

So yeah, probably has to do with going along with Dagda

To add to this the only people that permanently 'die' are the friends that rejected your solution as their souls are used to create the aspects of your universe - earth sea sky stars et. all as near I can tell, but also possibly the nature of the universe its hard to say. I guess their souls get used because they are strong souls that are meaningful to the new god

The only truly edgelord thing about the ending is the way Flynn gets mindcrushed into believing in you so strongly as your godslayer

Guys...

atlus.com/smtiv-faux-pas-calypse/

he's green

Oh so that's how it shows up. I faced that boss earlier and didn't see that untranslated text at all so I figured I must have finished it too quickly

Also if you can, put Akashic Art on him

You don't get akasha art until way late. It comes on Shiva which is a level 96 demon fusion.

Supposedly it also comes on one other demon but I don't know which

Reverse fusing is a thing you know

Oh I know. But someone said "At level 35 you can do this with the +15" which is just not true if you want Akasha

At least they were willing to admit their mistake.

You can unlock the fusion limit on a normal first run though.

You think that is bad?

youtube.com/watch?v=MjcTks8rrm4

Can we talk about how good this remix of the Tokyo theme is for Twisted Tokyo

You sure won't be hitting that many app points that early, especially if you go into other apps

What is it with Game Journalists constantly disliking mainline SMT games

youtube.com/watch?v=ukmC7dCVOAI

>dated negotiation system
did they actually like the RNG negotiations of Nocturne?

Casuals who came in through muh Persona

The tone of the games are completely different and they always bitch about negotiation which is back in P5 so I can't wait for those reviews

>Game takes place mostly in Narku

someone couldn't beat The Minotaur...

Is a pure Luck build viable?

>especially if you go into other apps
And that is your mistake, considering fusion boosters and demon skills are the only things that matter, especially fusion booster

This game is more broken than SMT4? I did a magic run and it felt like I was just shitting on everything (except Kenji, he was a cunt)

Who /balanced build Nanashi/ here?

It only happens during a certain fight if your partner's unconscious

Better than P5 imo, but I can't read Nipple, so take that for what you will.

yes

Summon discounts come in handy when you're doing heavy fusing but ideally you go into that after unlocking max fusion boosts

It's real fucking good, but buy it full price. Honestly, SMT games are the one game you really want to support as much as possible, same goes for Ace Attorney.

I remember really enjoying this but never getting very far, is it actually good? The boxart made me fucking hype as a kid.

So the game actually releases tomorrow.
How long until we get a .cia of the grinding DLC, no way I'm paying for that shit.

What's preventing them from just patching the dialogue in?

The same thing preventing them from including dual audio.

Too much effort.

I dunno. You'd think they just get an intern or someone to do it since it's only maybe 2 lines of dialogue

>being a casual shitter
Git gud.

Because it's Atlus USA.

Sorry I don't want to grind 12 levels to get myself and my demons full skill slots.

>get to the point where Toki actually joins the party
>Asahi worrying that Toki will steal Nanashi from her

I will, with a little focus on strength.

When does it get released in the eshop?

But some people aren't poor user

>people think Strange Journey is the best
>each room in SJ is basically HURRDURRhumansareevilawfulandstupidDURROhandfuckeachaspectoftheirculturetoo

>caring about the story in a SMT game

The fuck, bro?

>room
bitch as nigga

It had the best dungeons out of every SMT game

>HURRDURRhumansareevilawfulandstupidDURROhandfuckeachaspectoftheirculturetoo
Thats every fucking smt game

well. Only Trumpeter and Mother Harlot left in the tower for me. Hardest one so far was the first, David since I didn't know it's weakness. The rest were easy enough if you're not retarded with team make up.

It's more exciting.

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How do I start social link with the girls I want to date Toki

>Not murdering the planet like the bitch-ass nigger it is
It's all on you if you don't fight for humanity's future

Lewddddd

Literally no one thinks SJ was the best. If they do they're lying

>what is /smtg/

hahahahahahaahahahahaa good one non good one

A lot of people suck the balls off of SJ a fucking lot of people.

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Are you new?

You're in a thread talking about one of the SMTs with the worst gameplay.

I think SJ is the best.
Why is it not the best ?

Lack of Press Turn for one. Although Press Turn doesn't automatically make a game good (See: IV and IV:A), and the system in SJ is still decent, worked well in TMS#FE too.

>le same shit for another game
>good
Nigga kys

I'm gonna import this...
even if the dollar on my country destroys me.

>Matador didn't even have red Capote
>Andalusia is terrible because of how multi-hit attacks get an attack penalty

Feels bad

I don't think its reasonable to assume that any shin meg game is going to feel as hard as the first one before you'd learned what was strong and how you needed to play, at least the curve on the difficulty on this one makes sense.

Boring setting, unimpressive slow story. Maybe it was just me but it utterly failed to grab me early on and didn't get a whole lot better. SJ is literally my last choice if I were to replay a megaten game

fellow tacobro?

Does anyone know how to fuse High Pixie as a special fusion? I'm trying to fuse Alice but I'm missing the template for High Pixie as a component demon.

Andalusia is p good when you use it though. Nearly guaranteed a critical, easy good damage

Worst SMT

>It's the same so it's bad

Good changes are good, making a change that worsens the battle system is worse than no change at all.

Press Turn isn't even that good

delet

>SMT
>story
heh

Yes and it's bullshit but I think is time to get that, because I really like IV ...maybe I can import the artbook later.

Also I'm still waiting for my copy of Apocalypse.

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i am also waiting for it, i was going to order the ost half a year ago.
and welp, here we are.

can someone post a link to SMT IV FINAL please.

>i play smt for the story

Even the Apocalypse ost is very gooood. I gonna use play asia.

i played the original smtiv like yeras ago and basically did every sidequest imaginable..do demons still give random sidequest....are there crazy as fuck side quest like in the original?

My 2ds has been collecting dust since i was mindhacked by that hack uchikoshi but I have some free time in october and was thinking of picking this and dq7 up.

are the pins in the launch edition cool?

p-please respond

when the fuck is it going to be available on t he eshop?

Soon, son of- I mean, my friend.

>Buying the NoA approved censored and "localized version"
No. When this games comes to PS4/Vita (which it will) then true SMT fans will play this. Until it comes to Sony hardware I will not be giving SEGA an ounce of my money.

It's almost funny how better she gets if you pick to not kill anyone instead

why is this $50 at all?
it has no big box edition like SMT4 did
and its also the same price digital

is this nintendo doing something to test if people will pay $50 for 3DS games and then all the games will be that price?

inb4 atlus tax, fuck you, you know all the other games are 40. smt4 at least had a standard special edition that was all you could buy, there were no single boxed copies for 4 in the US.

>why is this $50 at all?
atlus thinks they worth more

Pins yo, they're totally worth the extra ten dollars

Atlus tax.

THIS IS BAIT

(I have a vita and I already knows that this is never going to happen)

are the pins really that good?

No dumbass

Where the fuck is King Frost? I got to the door but it's tight shut unless he's hidden somewhere else.

But you care about it when people bring up the fact that TMS has some of the best gameplay in the series. In fact, story is the only thing TMS did poorly.

>Sexist character designs

SMT newfag here, is this a remake/deluxe version of SMT IV or a new game?

New game, not really necessary for you to play IV if you don't want to if you look up some of the basic plotline

Somewhere else
He's in the area to the left of the big circle

Thanks senpai.