Why do people hate her so much?

Why do people hate her so much?

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Worst lawyer we've played as so far

I like her but it was kind of dumb to introduce her when Apollo hadn't really had a proper arc yet and they were already struggling to give everyone screentime.

I liked that the series took these child prodigy characters like Edgeworth and Franziska and had regular guy Phoenix Wright knock them down a peg through hard work dedication.
And then this anime girl comes in because she's a magical super genius with special snowflake hearing powers who got her law degree while she was still breastfeeding. She's just not an interesting character, her gimmick is lame and she just doesn't fit with the rest of the main cast. I was fine with her in 5 but I'm really bothered that she came back in 6 and is now an official main character. She should have stayed as a side character who comes back now and then.

>when Apollo hadn't really had a proper arc yet
So an entire game wasn't enough for him?

Apollo Justice was Phoenix Wright 4
Phoenix Wright 6 was Apollo Justice

Apollo Justice was more about Phoenix as far as character development goes. Apollo was just the player character to move the story along

But the entire purpose of her coming back in 6 was to show that she can't do fucking anything without her hand being held, and she needed a wake-up call.

APOLLO A SHIT ! ! !

That's true, I haven't finished 6-4 yet because being forced to play as her got me very unmotivated. If she gets called out on being a shitter it will make me very happy

When is Apollo going to fug his sister?

I like that she's an analytical psychologist.

>not getting motivated by all the simon bantz

What a great character

So true, that's exactly the problem with her! Granted she doesn't have any experience, but man, they make her look so dumb and talentless!

Not enough porn

>If she gets called out on being a shitter it will make me very happy
That's basically half of the entire case there, just Simon shitting on her for being inexperienced as fuck and needing her hand held.

Athena is the best AA girl period.

Now when we've settled this, let's talk about a more pressing issues with AA6.
Why was the third case so bad?
>one day
>no investigation
>only two witnesses
>Simon holding your hand the whole time
>predictable and boring twist
Who approved it?
Oh well, at least it gave us the second most fuckable AA boy after DeLite.

She's not even the best girl in that case
BLOOOON

>I liked that the series took these child prodigy characters like Edgeworth and Franziska
>who got her law degree while she was still breastfeeding.

Please. They had Franziska von Karma as a child in Ace Investigations I literally talking about taking the bar exam, and you're going to complain Cykes "got her law degree while she was still breastfeeding"?

>implying

Kisegawa was clearly best

The moment I saw her I already knew what her breakdown animation will be.

Don't you mean the fourth case?

>Oh well, at least it gave us the second most fuckable AA boy after DeLite.

Yeah, I liked Bucky Whet a lot too.

>third case
You mean fourth.

Also, it's a breather case so that Cases 3 and 5 weren't back to back. Plus, its short length is more than made up for by Case 5.

It was so bad that you got the number wrong.

Yeah, I meant the fourth one, my bad.

>and had regular guy Phoenix Wright knock them down a peg through hard work dedication.
You could at least finish reading one sentence. Franziska is shown as a child super genius but you trounce her up and down for two cases.

>Athena is the best AA girl
That's not how you spell Rayfa

I can't wait to see Apollo come back in the next game and show off his expert yak-milking skills.

it is cause she is not Trucy

>finish first day of case 5
>wanted to take pictures of Arnie's cute feet
>NTR doesn't work on 11.1

Fuck. Arnie x Rayfa doujin when?

Hating Athena is a meme.
The only lawyer I legitimately don't like (at the time) was Apollo. AJ was arguably one of the worst games in Ace Attorney, and Apollo was a shit lawyer there,

Thankfully, he redeemed himself not in AA5, but in SoJ in my book.

Everyone did.

Is there anyone who did not immediately know Geiru Toneido was going to have a breakdown animation with her 'boobs' bursting?

So what's gonna happen when the truth comes out about Trucy and Polly's mom and stuff? Is Trucy gonna leave Nick to stay with her mom for a while?

Another problem AA5 had: you're defending Trucy and Maya AGAIN. I want more real cases where the accused isn't a recurring character I know is 100% innocent. Ever since 2-4 I can't fully trust my clients, unless, of course, it's fucking Maya getting accused for the hundredth time.

I really like her. She has a different personality fro Phoenix and Apollo and that's really refreshing. I like her gimmick more than Apollo's, too. Was very disappointed that she only had one short case in AA6, I hope she gets more of the spotlight in an eventual AA7.

Not Maya.

I would like to comment on localization.

It was well done, in fact, it's "Nintendo Treehouse-like localization" suits a game like Ace Attorney. It had a ton of funny choices, and a few memes here and there that made me chuckle.

It was great. I just don't see these complaints to be legitimate.

Anyways, I did see a few typos here and there. I think there were a few in 6-5 and 6-3.

Because Ace Attorney is about an ordinary protagonist meeting with all kinds of weirdoes. Having a weirdo as a new protagonist ruined that dynamic.

AA6 couldn't really have gone with anything else given you had the DC Act as a main plot point.

As far as the finale cases go they don't like to do the same tweest twice, either.

Also, when is the DLC coming out?

Personally, I think memes should never be used to begin with.

The first case was extremely meme-y but it thankfully slowed down the rate at which they appeared after that.

>muh feeling sensing power
>muh tragic past

Athena's Mood Matrix is hands down the best gimmick the series had.

>out place emotions
>missing emotions
>emotions running out of control
>pinpointing the source of emotion in the picture
>constant level emotion

It's way deeper than the bracelet or magatama.

Also, some people don't like it because they think the device is too unrealistic, but honestly, how can those people dislike MM and be totally okay with fucking spiritual bullshit in the courtroom is beyond me. I personally really don't enjoy that aspect of the games, which is especially prominent in AA5. Using a magatama during an investigation is far as it should get. Cross examining a ghost is way over the line.

Next week.

A game as silly as Ace Attorney suits memes, of course it has to be balanced and actually funny.

>literally the same as every AA girl ever
Mayafags in denial.

Stupid internet in-jokes should never leave the bounds of image boards and shit. It's cringy as fuck whenever they appear anywhere else.

Fuck you. Have you ever butchered a man?

So I recall that one of the reasons they moved the setting to another country was because the developers felt that Nick was too good for Japanifornia's current legal system, so they placed him in a setting that was even more stacked against him.

So what are they gonna do for the next game, then? Send him to Germarica? Have him go against Manfred von Karma's nephew?

Send him to Japan that looks like Meiji era Los Angeles.

nope

>If she gets called out on being a shitter it will make me very happy

The beginning of the case is Nahyuta telling her to get out because she's a sad excuse of a lawyer

>AA7
>One of the cases isn't a murder trial at all, but a custody battle over a child that turns into a murder trial when the corpse of one of the guardians is found because this is Ace Attorney. SOMEONE has to die.
>The case causes Nick to decide that they really can't wait any longer at all to tell Trucy and Polly the truth.

They hinted at revamping the law system in Apollo Justice and I'm genuinely surprised that after two games we still don't have a jury system. It would make sense, Phoenix would have to start over and be at a disadvantage in a new system if he is pitted against someone who is used to working in that kind of system, was instrumental in creating the jury system, or just has the upper hand in some applicable way

He calls everyone a sad excuse for a lawyer anyway

>The case causes Nick to decide that they really can't wait any longer at all to tell Trucy and Polly the truth.
Did you even watch the credits for SoJ?

So instead of "the witness is the killer" we'll have "the jury member is the killer"?

There, he said "We should tell them soon".

The case could change that to "We should tell them now. Immediately."

You would still have witnesses

The reason the jury system was used in AA4 was because they were actually testing it out in real life in Japan. But it didn't really work out all that well, so they more or less axed it.

The court system in Ace Attorney is actually a heavily stylized and dramatized version of the Japanese court system. Any changes to Japanifornia's court system is a reflection of changes to the actual Japanese court system.

Speaking of Nahyuta.
He fancies himself a righteous monk, but how can he still prosecute after trying his hardest to convince an innocent person at least three times in a row?

From what I gather, what it mainly comes down to is either 1. takes too much attention away from Phoenix and Apollo or 2. NOT MUH MAYA.

She's hardly a mary sue as people claim, since even in 5 her inexperience is made clear. There are bigger arguments that could be made for other characters than for her.

I also agree that she has the best gimmick of the three in the series. Mood matrix easily has the most flexibility and potential.

Not gonna lie, I initially thought it might not be just because it'd be too obvious. Plus there have been other busty one-off characters. That said, the fact that she even had big tits (real or fake) made me instantly suspect her, since non-recurring females with gag boobs tend to be the murderers or at least involved.

Yeah, but accusing witnesses and prosecutors has gotten old.
Same goes for the twists, we need more than just
>the crime was committed elsewhere and the body was moved
>the victim left a dying message
>it was not a murder but a suicide

I'm pretty sure Dai Gyakuten Saiban has a sort of jury system.
I think the problem is that the team that worked on DD and SoJ doesn't want to rock the boat too much.

>Tells them the truth
>Trucy's face goes white
>Trucy missed her period a few days previous

Again, it's because it's a reflection of real life court systems.

DGS had a Jury system because a lot of it took place in Victorian era England.

Can't she just do an abortion on herself with her magic panties?

I'm surprised we never had another case where the accused was actually guilty again unless you count Simon Keyes. I mean I get that they don't want to just repeat 2-5 but it does get odd how the accused is otherwise always innocent.

But I guess that'd be hard to do. Maybe if there were a spinoff where you play the prosecutor, though I could only see that with Blackquill since Edgeworth has already had the AAI games.

Are you describing Apollo?

But that's not an issue, in fact you and me both mentioned the solution already: move the cases elsewhere and make up whatever you please.
SoJ kind of did it, but they just brought in a slightly different type of witness account.

That's because it's generally really hard to fool the Wright lawyers compared to others.

One has a magatama who can sense if you're hiding something.
One can see if you're lying or hiding something based on subconscious tells.
One can hear the emotional wavelengths of your voice.

If any of them realized that you were guilty, they'd probably just say that they can't take the case.

Case 4 was the best one alongside Case 5.

The worst one was Case 2 and proves that everything that links with Apollo Justice is an absolute fucking disaster.

Easily the dumbest protagonist mechanic in the game. Phoenix has magic shit, but at least it must be supported with evidence. Apollo's is also dumb, but at least it's over quick. For this slut, it lasts forever and makes zero sense. Why would people have the exact same emotions they had at the scene of the crime? The surprise emotion especially. You wouldn't be surprised anymore, so there's no way she could pick that up. Unless that machine is a time traveling thing I guess? And there's no reason why anyone should take it seriously.

>This emotion doesn't add up!
>Okay

Game over. Guilty.

Apollo's is dumb for the same reason.

>YOUR FINGER JUST MOVED WHEN YOU SAID THAT!
>Okay

But like I said, at least it's quick.

A jury system wouldn't work for a video game. All that would do is give the defense more opportunities to get a not guilty verdict. The only cases the Wright Anything Agency usually gets are "hopeless" cases where pretty much everyone believes that the client is guilty. So a jury system wouldn't make anything more difficult. On the contrary, it makes things easier.

>Bridge to the Turnabout
>Elder God Tier
Opinion discarded.

Those are gameplay designing and writing issues that can be effortlessly solved.
Also DGS ALREADY DID IT.

What are you talking about? If the witness is lacking a key emotion, you can point that out. That's what makes the system flexible and interesting. In fact, I disliked how for the divination séance you couldn't point out how certain lack of sounds made no sense.

>Winston's daughter Yura STILL hasn't become an attorney in order to destroy him in the greatest first-trial-of-the-game ever
>Instead, the series is raining a gorillion child prodigies who decided they must take up law and meet Phoenix Wright

Who said it was good in DGS?

>it's not good in this game, therefore it can't and never will be good

I'm saying that it doesn't make sense that she can pick up surprise. Why would someone still be surprised during a testimony?

According to Cred Forums Athena is a Mary Sue because she's either too good or incompetent

It's never gonna be good because the writers need to make the characters absolutely retarded for the gimmick to be used a huge number of times.

The multiple witnesses thing in both PLvsAA and DGS is great and should be used more, but the jurist shit is a fucking disaster.

Because she's a big breasted bootybabe tewnty-four seven smoke we3333d

It's better to give the player fewer chances than more of them. Being forced to prove without a shadow of a doubt that your client is innocent is always gonna be more difficult than it would be to persuade the jury.

I think one of the worst things about the series is that no one actually develops. Edgeworth is the only one that does and he's mostly a side character now. They tried to make Phoenix a wise and more serious man, but now he's back to his goofy self. I feel like I'm playing an endless torrent of DLC.

>According to Cred Forums Athena is a Mary Sue
>ctrl+f "Mary Sue"
>2 hits, both of which is people claiming that "somebody" says she's a Mary Sue

What the hell are you talking about? Nick's matured and become a far more effective lawyer. He's more confident than he was in the original trilogy and more calm in general. Whenever you look at him from the perspective of the other characters, he gives off the appearance of a calm and wise mentor.

It just sounds to be like you want him to be completely calm all the time, no matter what.

Athena is a fine character. AA is a fujoshit series so the awful fanbase likes to pretend Apollo is a good character. AJ killed the series. There's a reason people prefer AAI and want GAA and that is because they aren't poisoned by AJ and its leftovers

>and more calm in general
Not in SoJ. He does his shocked animation way too many times. Although it's somewhat justified, considering the circumstances he has to work in in this game.

I do think much of is because he tends to play the straight man more often, being the main one to recognize and react to the extreme and sometimes ridiculous situations around him.

Well yeah. He's deliberately forced into a situation that's even more stacked against him than ever. But in DD, he was very calm and was better at keeping up a pokerface. And the civil trial showed just how far he'd progressed from Polly's perspective. He only did the shocked animation once.

Besides, Nick's supposed to be a bluff master. That's his gimmick. There would be no need to bluff if he was never caught off guard.

He's the exact same person he's always been since the second game. It's so bad that he gives up entirely on his dream of a jury system. Never even mentions it again. I know this is actually for a mechanical reason, but they're the ones who wrote that. He's very much still the fly by the seat of his pants lawyer that saves a case by the skin of his teeth. He makes loads of mistakes, does the shocked animation a fuck ton of times, gets cornered with ease, easily manipulated by prosecutors despite going against some of the best geniuses the world has to offer, and jokes around a lot. The only real change in personality is when he tries to push Apollo or Lemon along, but that is brief and a logical action for any mentor, especially when his agency is on the line.

>Apollo Justice was such garbage that they took two whole games (DD and SoJ) to fix that shit.
Wow.

The less traces of AJ remain in the mainline the better.

AJ should have been forgotten and ignored by the devs. Declared a non canon spinoff

Apollo Justice is literally one of the best games in the series, trailing behind only the first and T&T

It has some of the best characters, the single best and most cohesive plot, the second best soundtrack by fucking far AND the cases were all difficult. Not to mention the tell spotting mechanic was one of the best mechanics we got in the series.

People who don't like it are literally "muh feenix" fags who are just sad they will never get young nick and maya again.

Athena is fucking shit though. She's meant to just be this girl who changes emotions often to suit her niche but it makes her come across as just fucking annoying.

We'll never get away from it as long as Apollo, Trucy and her magic panties are around.

He can't force the courts to switch to the jury system. He can only propose it. He doesn't have THAT much power. The reason they didn't go with it is because Japan didn't really go with it. Do remember that, American localization aside, Ace Attorney's legal system is basically just a dramatized version of Japan's.

Second, of COURSE he's a "fly by the seat of his pants" type lawyer. That's what this series is fucking built on. You want Nick to have all the answers at all times? You do realize that, even as experienced as he is, he's still technically the underdog. The court system is still built against him. And he never has all the answers. He's like any other lawyer in the series, he has to gather the pieces and figure things out on his own just like them. He's not some omniscient god who knows anything and everything. That's why he needs to bluff, because he needs to be able to stall while he figures out what's really going on. Few cases in this series are straightforward enough that he'd be able to do that so easily, especially since it's extremely rare for all the pieces to be present at the beginning of the trial. Often, more evidence pops up later, or there's some shocking new development. How the fuck is ANYONE supposed to have all the answers in that situation? Even Edgeworth gets caught off guard by shit to this day.

>Apollo Justice is literally one of the best games in the series,
AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

People fucking rioted when Phoenix changed so much in AA4, so now they're probably too scared to make him act too differently from how he acted in the first couple of games, character development be damned. Same probably goes for the other characters by extension.

Ironically whenever you're not controlling him he starts coming off as much more calm and wise.

>Proving me right

Stop shitposting

4/10.

>How the fuck is ANYONE supposed to have all the answers in that situation?
If I recall, Mia somewhat did, to some extent. Or at the very least I don't remember her ever having any exaggerated reactions or even being caught off guard much. Admittedly I don't remember her cases all THAT well, and it is Mia.

>Not a single reply has any concrete argument

Mayafags kill yourselves

The only thing Rayfa is best as is being bullied.

>being mentally retarded enough to think AJ is good

There is no need for a reply. You're just a braindamaged shitter with awful taste that should consider suicide.

>The Magical Turnabout
>Low tier

You better get this fucking list right out of my face right fucking now you nigger

Are you kidding? In the two cases we see her spearhead, she's a nervous wreck. She had to piece shit together bit by bit just like Nick did.

And the cases where she helps Nick usually tend to be cases that she's already intimately familiar with. Cases involving the Fey clan for example.

>Newfags spews Cred Forums buzzwords he read on knowyourmeme.com to try and fit in

Undertale was a tumblr game xD

And being the cutest.

And looking smug.

And abusing you both verbally and physically in a totally adorable way

I want Rayfa to bully me!

I dunno, seems useful to me.

t.Deanna Troi

>Bridge to the Turnabout

Trials was such a fucking good game

>People who don't like it are literally "muh feenix" fags who are just sad they will never get young nick and maya again.

Investigations 2 is actually my favorite. Go away, dumb frogposter. You missed Facebook by a mile.

>He can't force the courts to switch to the jury system. He can only propose it. He doesn't have THAT much power.

That's not the point. The point is that he was pushing so hard for it and even somehow managed to get them to try it once and he forgets about it forever. One of the biggest legal revolutions the country would've seen in forever and he never even mentions it to anyone ever again.

> You want Nick to have all the answers at all times?

Yes and no. After all the years of fucked up cases and going up against geniuses and even people who destroy and forge evidence in a court system stacked against him, you'd think this man would be a demigod of attorneys. And it looks like the writers were thinking of that in AJ.

Logically, Phoenix should've transitioned into the mentor role. While he does push Apollo and the Lemon slut along sometimes, he should be right there in the defense stand like Mia was for him when he started out. Instead, they mostly pass by each other occasionally. I suppose it all comes down to the root problem. People want Phoenix, and any changes to Phoenix (which we saw in AJ) is met with some pretty heavy resistance.

>Anything having to do with Gramarye and AJ in general
>good
Fuck off.

Reminder NicoNico polls consistently show Apollo as the most popular character in the franchise

He's not going anywhere, cucks. The japs love him too much. Old Phoenix and old Maya are never coming back.

That case summarizes all the worst and dumbest elements the AA series has to offer.

Who else felt sorry for Inga?

Name a better trial than Turnabout for Tomororow

you can't

user, Nick was working on that case for SEVEN STRAIGHT YEARS. Of course he knew all the ups and downs of it. He knew everything about that case because he didn't stop working on it ever since he got disbarred. That's why he was so confident and seemingly omniscient. There was nothing about that case he didn't already know.

And Nick can't just be by Polly's side all the time. Mentor or not, he's still an attorney. You can't expect him to sit on the sidelines day in and day out. That's not his job. If he stopped taking on cases, then he wouldn't be a lawyer anymore.

It's already out if you pirate.

I just hope the next game focuses on someone else more. He's already had three whole games that placed large focus on him, even if he shared that with Phoenix and Athena.

Turnabout Big Top deserves its own category. It's easily the worst case in the entire series. Thinking about playing it makes me physically ill.

having a 7 year time skip was a terrible idea and even the developers seem to realize it was considering how all of the original characters function as if they were frozen in time

>Want to replay AA1
>Remember Turnabout Samurai

The only actual good case in that game is 4 and 5, the rest are dogshit.

I think he'll be gone for most of the game, then appear near the end either to temporarily substitute for Nick when something happens to him, or show up with important evidence at the last second after Nick contacts him offscreen.

There are like 1000 references to Phoenix being an old motherfucker in AA6, did you miss those?

Only reason Maya is the same is pandering.

You can download save states/completed save files if you want to skip cases.

>Case 2
>Redd White is about to get away
>Mia asspulls your way to victory
What a shit case.

He's only in his mid 30s. He shouldn't be having so much back pain. It's not even like he has a physically demanding job.

Athena is a much better replacement for Nick than the fag Apollo

She actually has a personality for starters. She is fresh, makes mistakes, comes up with crazy bluffs/theories like Nick but takes it a step further by acting out things herself like posing as the statue, mood matrix is a good gimmick it's only problem was lack of penalties and she didn't need 3 games to actually develop.

I do think Nick needs to retire and would be glad to see Athena take over. But we are stuck with the reject Apollo because fujoshits and he comes with a shitty maya clone so the writers don't need to change how they write

Her father was a fucking psychopath, it's not farfetched that he'd force that excellence on her.

>Nothing will ever beat Justice for All as weakest game in the series, no matter how hard they try

The game is literally all filler to bridge the gap into AA3, one of the best in the series. It's sad.

He's exactly the same as 1-3 Phoenix in DD/SoJ except with back pain
He only showed any signs of aging in AJ

He is a fucking caricature of the 1-3 Phoenix in post Apollo games

I'm trying to think of a case I've hated as much, but I honestly can't. Even the case of the magic panties isn't as bad. It says a lot when the only character I didn't totally hate was the murderer.

We really deserved a good, new protagonist.

Apollo Phoenix was such a good fucking character man, why did they revert him?

It's been years since I've played it, why does it get so much hate aside from having Franziska as prosecutor, and the fucking clown?
4-3 was way worse in my opinion
>Let's watch the video AGAIN!
>Let's arrest this tiny blonde kid for the murder despite the weapon being a huge revolver that can break the arm of anyone not trained to use it

I hate the case in AJ where you watch the video over and over and over more than Big Top

My explanation is that all of the physical abuse he's suffered did have some lasting effects on him. I mean he fucking got hit by a car and flew into a lamp post one time. I think he fell off of a cliff in AA3 as well.

Because it's impossible for him to be like that forever. And when we see things from his perspective right before the last trial, his inner monologue isn't actually at all different from the first three games. So even though he acted different, on the inside, he was still the same old Nick.

Everything was just an act.

NAME YOUR FAVOURITE CASE RIGHT FUCKING NOW

TELL ME WHY

- dumb sidetail
- not Maya
- first appearance was in the worst Phoenix Wright game of all
- looks like a shitty version of that chick from Ghost Trick

Other than that, I ended up slightly liking her by the end. It helps a lot that she's a huge fangirl for Phoenix, that was not the characterization I was expecting but nice. Also the fact that she's the murderer in the last case was a good twist.

She a shit

>DD
>Worst game
>Not Justice for All
>Not Apollo Justice

Boy that's some shit taste

The game may not have been anything fancy but it was fantastic simply because all of the cases were at least good. There was no big top or samurai here.

The Grand Turnabout. Literally only correct answer.

People here seem to have a hateboner for that case but I agree, it was god-tier easily

>Implying DD is worst than AJ, JFA or DGS

Eat shit.

>not Maya
Maya is overrated as shit. Maybe when she goes one fucking game without needing to be saved at least once for some reason or another.

>get to case 4
>wonder if I'm playing as Apollo again
>Athena
>save game, put 3DS away

Maybe tomorrow. I just don't like Athena.

All the cases were shit because they were 100% brainless and Athena just fucking tells you what to present at what point.

This man knows what's up.

It's definitely the weskest case in the game, but just power through it, it's only one day of court

>not Maya
And thus the source of Athena hate shitposting becomes obvious.

>the weakest
Not when Case 2 was such a piece of shit.

Farewell, My Turnabout. Easily the best case by far.

weak b8 m8

>not Maya
Mayafag detected.

Eat shit and die.

Go ahead, fucking explain yourself.

Twists were good, logic was good, animations and characters were good.

Why all the hate for case 2? If my memory serves me, it's the only case when the killer doesn't actually deliver the final blow themselves, and aren't present on the scene during the crime. This alone is enough to make it better than quite a few cases in the series.

Investigations 2 is easily the best in the series.

>Edgeworth
>Free ninja slut
>No magic
>Logic Chess
>Fighting against the biggest source of corruption the series has to offer
>Blackmail city
>Actual character development

>bad witnesses
>Half the time you're in court you're just trying to prove what you already know from the investigation and what Trucy just told in her testimony.
>The other half is a shitty twin twist and another Gramarye faggot that is still analblasted years later to the point he wants to fuck over a little girl.

Apollo Justice was a mistake.

Still have not played SoJ. Don't want to play a game about Apollo

Anyone who's not a mayafag please leave and stay leave

Amen. Anything to do with Apollo and Trucy is worthless

Incorrect

I'm not sure which I think was the worst. Both cases feel like filler to me for one. Case 4 is generally a bit underwhelming and comes at a really bad time after the big cliffhanger of case 3. Case 2, on the other hand, drags on really hard at times, and has obvious twists in addition to many points where you are forced to sidle around too much when you already know where it's going.

>phoenix will never get a new objection theme
SoJ's remix was still great though

Because Pollyfags hate anyone taking his spotlight and want him to stay as black sue status.

>tfw they didn't channel jove
Imagine how fucking weird that would feel. The last memory you have is you presumably failing to save your son. Then you wake up 20 years later and a bunch of people are asking you questions about it.
I think they really could do some amazing things with channeling.

In hindsight it had a lot of stupid and preventable shit, but it was a great finale to the trilogy.

they should have just made athena into a maya type character paralegal

>replay all the games
>even the worst cases don't feel that bad anymore

They only spent 8 months making Gyakuten Saiban 2, so what do you expect.

I expected someone to channel the holy mother, didn't we see her name in a book in case 3?

No, that was for Kee'ra

I absolutely loved that small trial part where you play Sebastian instead of Edgeworth

Case 4 really made me appreciate hamburger localisation. I had no idea what the fuck rakugo, soba or udon were and had to get up and google it.

>Inherited Turnabout
>Nearly everyone involved got their lives completely ruined

That one dragged on a bit, but resolving it and seeing it end was so satisfying

Hey now, Kay ain't a slut. I agree with the rest though.

Final case when on a little too long, though. I was starting to feel fatigued by the time they recreated the scene at the orphanage.

Maya is a shit character, and is pretty much the single worst thing about the series.

Yea I had no idea what the fuck was going on with the noodles

This is...a Japanese male thief.

Uendo has Kisegawa in his corner, that puts him 20 miles ahead of Ron

The girl was an idiot
the murder weapon is in a place you never get to see and just have to assume is built in a way that gives it enough room to hide a bust
Fuck that puppet

only 2 hours later do I realise I said "blonde" instead of "blind"

>Why do people hate her so much?

mindhack powers

>you're defending Trucy and Maya AGAIN

>defending trucy again
>again

what the fuck 6-2 is the first time ever

This senpai. Investigations 2 was the best in series. The fact that CAPCOM never localized it just shows how retarded they are with managing their IPs

>I had no idea what the fuck rakugo, soba or udon were
They explain those in the game, you know.

Case 4 could've easily been Turnabout Noodles and it would make just as much sense. It's probably even more relevant than rakugo.

I don't hate her, I hate Trucy. Fuck Ema and Trucy, jesus fuck, those two cunts are some of the most dull characters in the series.

Fucking seriously? There's going to be a lot of Apollo in AA6? Should I just quit playing?

>You will never get ready to sex Kisegawa
>You will never get arrested when she switches to Owen halfway through

Personally I just don't like how he gets a new backstory each game. Even if AA7 isn't about him I have the feeling we'll learn he has another set of adoptive parents or something.

I like her. She has a fun personality and the fact that she's still a greenhorn who needs to git gud is actually quite refreshing. Also she and Simon have my favorite character interactions.
Well, at least Ema aged like fine wine and has really cute animations.

Why is this song so fucking good?

youtube.com/watch?v=-L29-dbnY7k

Because it sounds like AAI2 music

Of course AA7 will also be about him. It's implied at the end of AA6 that he's finally going to find out about his mother and Trucy.
On the bright side, at least it won't be something literally pulled out of the writer's ass like in AA5 and AA6. Of course unless his adoptive mother from Japanifornia shows up with a new unpredictable tweest or some shit.
I saw people complaining about SoJ soundtrack, but to me it was pretty damn good.

Sends chills down my spine every time I hear it.

>dumb sidetail

Her sidetail is cute, you faggot.

>Of course unless his adoptive mother from Japanifornia shows up with a new unpredictable tweest or some shit.
Of course there's going to be a tweest.

No.

no, they actually make him fun

Hey guys, who's ready to never get DGS2 in the west either?!?

Analytical psychology is a joke.

Her introduction was in a game that Cred Forums was very divided on and she was the star of virtually every case in that game since she was effectively the main character of it. Gave her a bad first impression with both the folks disappointed that the game wasn't a second installment in an Apollo Justice trilogy and with the fans who just wanted more of Phoenix, Maya and Edgeworth again.

Personally I think she's the best assistant character in the series and pulls off the "inexperienced kid lawyer who's in over their head with these major cases" schtick better than Apollo ever did, and Dual Destinies was a pretty middleground Ace Attorney game anyway, so she's a welcome addition to the series. Her and Apollo had the best Lawyer/Assistant dynamic by far, regardless of who you were controlling, and having a girl character who could do shit in cases without being the fucking victim of every single one of them was a nice change.