Pre-Crash SEGA

Sure does suck to be you.

>>no one had a master system

In Europe the Master System outsold the NES, so this is incorrect... If you live in Europe

I called the 16 bit (wtf is a bit anyways) console a genesis

>yet

Just got Daytona Champ edition for Saturn today. You tell me.

one off game, not an IP

>No SFX chip
Didn't need one. The MD had twice the processing power than the SNES and had a ton a 3d games like zero tolerance and red zone.

yeah the MD had blast processing

You will be surprised about how many guys in Europe today calls the Megadrive "Genesis". Basically we use it like it was a test for estimating how much the guy is an underage.

>no sfx chip
What do you call this thing then?

I see this everytime, but I can't find a real source about it. I guess it did well in Germany and UK, but NES outsold the MM in France.

Frogs would have shitty USA-tier tastes.

>The Dreamcast was a pretty big success

>One of the worst selling consoles on it's 1st release year , only "beated" the Wii U
>Couldn't compete with the outdated PS/One even if it was the next gen
>PS2 outsold it the first year it was released

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/534957.stm

>an overhyped DVD player outsold an arcade enthusiasts machine at a time when most of the world would stop caring about glorious arcades

Wow, really? Who'd have seen that coming? Thanks for your insight.

>few months later

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/659554.stm

>It was a huge success!
>No it wasn't
>Y-yeah, well, who cares!
lmao

What's the matter, did you run out of your hilarious touhou reaction images, faggot?

You Dreamcast-fags are the silliest little people

I'm not the guy that claimed Dreamcast was a hug success (though selling 10+ million units in less than 2 years is nothing to scoff at). Of fucking course Sony won, but that isn't a good thing. In an ideal world, Sega and NEC would still be manufacturing the hardware, arcades wouldn't have died out in the early '00s, and there would be no Xbox or Playstations.

>arcades dead in the west

It's hard to articulate how interesting they were when they were hardware competitors and how that can never come back even if they successfully bring back some old franchises. Each era of console brought a unique new identity for them too. I feel like Sonic Adventure 2 and Super Monkey Ball are the only traces of the personality a strong 2000s Sega could have had.

any info regarding the last two games left to announce that will come in the third and last sega classics collection?

learning that sega has acquired the thunder force ip makes me hope a collection with the 6 games can come out, at least thunder force III on the upcoming collection is a good start

also i read that m2 wants to start porting 3d games, what are your hopes anons?
i really want nights and burning rangers

>tfw sega had fucking baller console design
I can't think of any other company that made such sexy consoles.

>you live in a world where the dreamcast lost

life is suffering

>m2 wants to start porting 3d games
Like on the 3DS? They already had trouble with the Megadrive/Genesis games, I'd love this to happen, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. Or would the N3DS be "powerful" enough for those?

>this whole post

>Sega's former president gave all $695 million of his own company stock to save SEGA from going bankrupt because of the dreamcast
>he died shortly afterwards from a long battle with cancer

they shouldnt have gone out the way they did, even with all the retarded decisions they made

Fighting Vipers. I would love Burning Rangers and NiGHTS too but all this reminds me how its not fair these restorations have had to be on a handheld with such lousy speakers.

>They already had trouble with the Megadrive/Genesis games
3D games would probably be a bit easier. It's a bit easier to take a 3D game and turn it stereoscopic than taking a 2D game and try to make it work in stereoscopic 3D.

I missed the Genesis and so far I'm playing lots of games from it, fun times.

Bonanza Bros. can be super fun with two players.

>Sega would not have gone brankrupt if Dreamcast had only sold 3 million more units

False, the Saturn had put them in such a deep hole that the Dreamcast would've needed to have done PS2 numbers.

Everything that led to Sega leaving the console market can be directly traced to the Saturn, right from the start of its design phase.

>had a strange urge to listen to Sonic-R OST
>this thread is up on Cred Forums
HOLY SHIT

Really? Let's hope so then. It's sad we don't know if the 3D remakes are actually selling well, but I guess if they're still doing them and even get a physical release in the west, they should be doing OK numbers.

i was listening to burning rangers' songs.
i love when this shit happens

>le Saturn was unsuccessful meme
It sold 5 times as many consoles in asia than the N64, kid.

i would say it was the 32x and sega cd what heavily wounded them, the saturn being released the same day it was announced was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
at least in north america, in japan they did well after the release fuck up
if only they didn't sabotage themselves they would have tank it

>Really?
Yeah. Stereoscopic is essentially just putting in another camera for your second eye. Which is how 3D cameras work in essence. When a game is already 3D, it already has all the depth information, so you can just add a second camera to make it 3D. Of course there's other considerations to take into account when porting a game to stereoscopic 3D to make it work, but it really is essentially just "adding another camera".

Making a 2D game stereoscopic on the other hand is a lot harder. Since the sprites aren't 3D and instead just 2D pictures, just adding another camera wouldn't do anything. You have to somehow make the 2D game have that 3D information. One way that can be done can abuse the fact that older games had different "layers" that different objects were on. So the foreground would be on one layer, the background on another, and sprites on their own, so devs could in theory make these different layers closer or farther back than other layers, but it seems like m2 puts a bit more effort into it than that.

sega cd actually sold well but im pretty sure they lost money on it anyways

The Sega CD isn't considered a commercial failure.
The 32x, Sega Nomad and Saturn are.

sega was always ahead of the game, who knows what we could have gotten during 7/8th gen

CD wasn't bad, not as successful as the base Genesis of course but harmless in and of itself. 32X was part of the Saturn bullshit because it was intended for people with a Genesis but too poor to get a Saturn, but all it ended up doing was fucking over Sega's shelf space at a time when companies lived and died on retail shelf space. But the Saturn was just too badly designed in an era where the most popular console was the cheap plastic CD player.

>Sega Nomad
jesus fuck i forgot the nomad

I should have bought a Dreamcast. I'm sorry for not helping.

5*0 is still 0

This. Also Toejam & Earl, Gunstar Heroes, World of Illusion, any beat em up/ sports game. Really loved the coop aspect of the MD.

It wasn't an "arcade enthusiasts" machine at all, it was full of sports games and normie shit. It was used as a base for the naomi arcade board, which is why it got so many arcade ports.

>forgetting best handheld

baka

Why

The Nomad was too ahead of its time. Having a backlit handheld that could play actual console games was fucking rad, especially when the only competition was the OG Game Boy. It's a shame about that horrendous battery life and screen that blurred to hell in motion.

It was literally an adaptation of Sega's Naomi board for home use. Also, Crazy Taxi, an arcade videogame, is one of its top 5 best sellers. To not consider it an arcade gaming machine in the vein of the NeoGeo is folly.

tfw when we'll be making threads like this about nintendo if the NX doesn't succeed

>The Nomad was too ahead of its time.

that was always segas problem, always jumping the gun too early

>Having a backlit handheld that could play actual console games was fucking rad
The Game Gear?

It's fake. The Power Base converter doesn't work with the 32x.

You know, I forgot the Game Gear could play Master System games.

you can actually mod it to work though

yes, if all went well they could have done even more

It actually outsold the NES in Italy and Spain as well, In France the battle was more fair but even if the NES outsold the Master System it didn't like in America, but again, the Europe was the kingdom of Home Computers

>kingdom
>singular

Multi-cultural marxist pls go.

the saturn did alright in Japan. It fucking bombed everywhere else because of things like the higher than PS1 price point, the fact that it was just released out of the blue causing retailers to not stock it, (KB toys refused to sell it and they were pretty big back then. That was a major fuck up.) and the "No 2D games" rule that SoA pulled which turbo fucked it even more since while 3D was a pain to pull off for many, the Saturn could do 2D very well because it started off as a 2D only console. Capcom fighters had the best home versions on the saturn while the PS1 versions had various things taken out

PS1 had a "No 2d Games" rule for a bit in Japan but everyone was hooked on how well it could do 3D games at the time and the rule didn't last that long

What would've saved Sega:

>hold off 32X and release it later as a portable system that could play your Genesis games as well, like Nomad
>give the Saturn a single CPU core, don't release it early, lower the price, localize more games, and let it live until 1999 or 2000 (killing it off early upset many third-party companies)
>push the Dreamcast later ahead and redesign the pad and disc format, maybe even include a hard drive like that peripheral they almost made
>don't piss off Tom Kalinske, the man responsible for making Sega relevant in the console market
>shitcan Shenmue, or at least lower its exorbitant budget

What would've saved Sega: design the Saturn entirely around being a 3D machine, don't release the Nomad and 32X at all.

Nomad was cool tho.

>tfw playing any of my Genesis games anywhere

Saturn did okay in japan due to otakus picking them up because it was the cheap alternative to getting a pc to play VN porn games like eve burst error.

The SMS was huge in the UK. Tons of third party games especially in the UK.

UK programmers loved it because it had a Z80 processor, makung it a suped up Spectrum, the Euro devs pushed the system (Road Rash and The Flash) to its limits.

It was cool but the main problem at the time was consumer confusing and limiting their own shelf space. As was previously said, retail space was king at the time and not only did they shoot themselves in the foot by releasing the Saturn early but the Saturn itself had to share shelf space with the 32X, Nomad and previous generation. Sega of Japan's upper management just had no clue what they were doing and were throwing shit at the wall.

Arcades dying in the West was IMHO caused by Sega's decline.

The UK especially had a strong arcade culture in the Sega era.

Don't forget everyone's favourite VN/SRPG, Sakura Taisen.

That shit sold like hotcakes.

Not only early. Only to one retailer.

Herzog Zwei would be fucking awesome on the 3DS.

With multiplayer even better...but Sega won't do that sadly.

>It was literally an adaptation of Sega's Naomi board for home use.
I already said that, you fat homo. And it wasn't an adaptation of fuckall, the naomi board was based on the dreamcast.

Arcades dying in North America was inevitable. Population is much more spread out compared to Japan or Europe, and so when the consumer perception of game consoles was fixed people were more content to get one and sit at home, maybe invite their friends and/or neighbors over instead of going to a centralized regional arcade.

It more that Sega was hedging bets that people would only want "good" quality 3d games in arcades and 2D at home.

Naomi came out first and the dreamcast is a downgraded Naomi.

The Saturn was the result of Sega of Japan being obsessed with Japan and ignoring the west.

All they had to do was make a smaller more energy efficient GameGear Lite.

Instead they made the Nomad.

Dumb fucks.

Well it is in part why originally the plan was for the Saturn to be the ultimate 2D machine. Sega of Japan was still making money on it's 3D arcade games. They didn't want to cannibalize that side of their business

Lets be honest here, what sold Gameboy were two games. Tetris and Pokemon. Tetris was bundled and then later Pokemon pretty much was the reason a lot of people even bought a gameboy. Think real hard, is there a single game in Gamegears library that even comes close.

Really? Huh. What all did it have other than Alex Kidd and Phantasy Star?

> You Suzuki and AM2 pioneering 3D

> Release a 2D focused console.

WTF

>You Suzuki
>You

That's a bunch of bullshit, stop posting.

(You) Suzuki
Whenever there's one of those threads sucking Kojeema's cock or sexualizing gaben, I think of John Carmack and Yu Suzuki and laugh at you stupid, fat, ignorant shits.

He's right.

First: Naomi
Then: Dreamcast
Later: Naomi2

At that time, companies weren't sure whether 3D was just a fad or if it would win and take the place of 2D sprites.

Even Nintendo were unsure, that's why the N64 controller has three prongs, they made the left one as a fallback in case 3D happened to fail somehow.

Stop pretending to be other people and stop posting misinformation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sega_arcade_system_boards#Sega_NAOMI

Space Harrier 3D
Populous
Speedball
Zillion
Gauntlet
Rampage
Shoplifter
California Games
Penguin Land
Rambo 3
Operation Wolf
MacManus
R-Type
Kenseiden
Asterix
Shining
Impossible Mission
Darius
Power Strike/Aleste
Wonderboy 3 Dragon's Trap
Dead Angle
Golden Axe
Golvelius
Thunderblade
Galaxy Force
Road Rash
The Flash
Maze Hunter
Poseidon Wars
Outrun 3D
Soy vs Spy

there was also the Hikaru.

Pacmania (Google keyboard turned it into MacManus)

No, their xbox and 360 games were way better, actually had content. Everything that was good on the DC got remakes or ports on other systems

actually around the same time.

The genesis is the only console i regret getting rid of, wish I would have kept it, all the games and retarded addons.

Not powerstone, not soul calibur

first naomi game was nov 1998 (house of dead 2). Dreamcast was nov 27 1998 for japan.

The only reason Xbox exists is because Sega failed, and the only reason Sega failed is because Sony won.

Thanks Sonyggers and Xbots, you faggots killed gaming.

No halo is the reason why Xbox stuck around.

That's a bunch of horseshit, Microsoft was knackering to enter the set top box business and even was involved with the dreamcast.

only reason why xbox existed was because sony got into the console market

ca.ign.com/articles/2013/02/06/why-microsoft-got-into-the-console-business

Fighting games are garbage

Xbox was great because of sega, but you autistic """"fans""" who only played sonic 3 a few times think the shitty genesis and saturn was amazing

That is sort of BS. Because most games used sega's os, but they left CE in there just in case people wanted to use it.

Your argumentative skills are garbage, so is your taste in games.

Sort of, the microsoft logo was still there, sega didn't just allow that out of the kindness of their hearts. M$ wanted recognition in the gaymer market.

Realistically, renegade ops is better than the entire sega saturn.

>defends one of the worst consoles of all time
>thinks the genesis is shit
wew lad. neo/v/ at its finest. go suck on billy's cut dick some more, faggot

>xbox huge
>one of the worst consoles
Spot the disgruntled neoGAFfer. The xblox forced other consoles to finally accept online as a standard and local storage as mandatory. It also had lots of exclusives and the best hardware of that generation.