Do you prefer shotguns or assault rifles in games?

>Few games manages to get shotguns right.
You're right, shotguns doing any damage at all to a soldier wearing a plate carrier even at point blank range is pretty stupid.

>shotguns in TPS

I prefer AWPs

What if it's slug shot?

unless one of the pellets manages to hit something that isnt plate

and even with the plate i wager that taking a shotgun blast to the chest would probably not feel very pleasent

They either have a 2 meter range or theyre an extremely powerful single shot rifle.

Thing is there aren't games that simulate the physics of bullet impacts

Shotgun
> nothing like seeing someone fly back

pistols

Nothing a rifle couldn't achieve. Plus the vast majority of slugs are awful at penetrating armor.

Would still wind your ass but most games don't have "winding" mechanics.

mostly smgs and pistols

revolvers

katanas
I study the blade

You are what is wrong with videogames.

Shotguns are five times more fun than an AR.

When the game does shotties well, it's great.

Girls use guns
Boys use knives
Men used armed aerial drones to rain death on their foes from above

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so would you prefer it if armored enemies were able to just shrug off a shotgun blast as if nothing happened?
not even make them stumble a little bit?

Shotguns feel great. Especially when they're completely useless at mid to long range but basically brutally murder everyone in one shot from a close range.

Nothing feels satisfying like jumping into a dude and blowing him the fuck out.

Idk, it all depends on what armor is the guy wearing and what weapon are you using, also distance and angle and point of impact

There's lots of things that would have to be taken into consideration to do bullet physics properly

It would be impossible in an FPS tho, imagine the camera spinning when you get shot point blank with a shottie (while armored) and fly a few meters backwards with a few broken ribs because of the blast

You know in what game I liked pistols over anything else? GTA IV, it was just plain cool to shoot guns out of hands and make knees explode left and right.

A fps game is as good as it's shotgun.

You could play through the entire game with just the Glock. That's the sign of a good game.

I am worried about how this game is going to be

my idea is to make armored enemies be immune to damage where they have armor, but have weak points on the ass, face, knees, etc that would have to be targeted to cripple/kill them

shooting the armor would still kill them eventually, but does a lot less damage

Yeah, glock in gta iv made most guns useless since a good headshot would kill most of things.

Depends on how im feeling
I love all types of guns and some days i want a rifle some days i want a shotgun some days i want a pistol or an SMG or a LMG.

Is it a TPS or an FPS?

In a TPS you could go crazy with this, build a system so that getting shot on the hip instantly crippels you and makes your aim horrible because of extreme pain and other things like that

also remember a shot to the head would prolly know someone down most of the times but not kill, the rest of the time it will either kill or not even knock the objective

Rifles if they have auto/semiauto switches and shotguns if they're pump or double barrel. Bonus points if you can gib the fuck out of enemies

the problem is that modern games love making shotguns into short ranged pieces of shit. if they're long range guns then sign me up.

otherwise I'll just take the AR up my ass thank you very mucho

The problem is shotguns is that they would either be OP as fuck or just shit if they were realistic.
IRL a shotgun can easily hit targets inside of FPS map distance with minimal spread. Obviously this is pretty devastating. If shotguns worked like that, then everyone would be using them.
If we factor armor in then shotguns would be practically useless since they suck at penetrating armor.

The problem ain't shotguns itself nor balance, the real problem is map design.

>the slug ammo in BC2

Call of Duty: Ghosts had the biggest map in the series history, with the longest sight line

If you played on hardcore game modes and played on the big ass castle map, you could one shot people from across the map with a silenced shotgun if it had slugs.

i really don't see why people think they would be so immensely overpowered if buffed

in most cases the shotgun will have a significantly lower rate of fire than other weapon classes, especially when they are pump action
with greater damage falloff and lower armor penetration they would still easily be outclassed by mid-long range weapons

and if you were both in cover firing back and forth you would have a massive advantage as almost none of his pellets would hit while you with an assault rifle would probably only need to hit 3-4 times

>If we factor armor in then shotguns would be practically useless since they suck at penetrating armor.

depends on the range, at close range slugs will go through almost anything

Rifles.

Gimmie that middleground all-rounder every day.

I like Shotgun more but in most game they are usually so shit that you might as well use pistol instead.

Shotguns are always, 100% of the time, shit in multiplayer games.

>he doesnt know about CoD 2's trench gun

Flashy gunpowder isn't gonna kill people.

Overall, rifles because 99% of games with shotguns completely fuck them all up.

Like, I've seen games where the rifles are pretty realistic, and then the shotguns won't even hit anything further than 20 feet, but absolutely vaporize anything closer than 10 feet, even if they're wearing full body armor and plates.

I really like shotguns but most games represent them as inaccurate shit so i try to avoid them if this is the case.

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Rifle. Shotguns are good for door breaching or non-lethal riot control though.

There's a difference between penetration and damage.

A 12 gauge 00 buckshot wouldn't penetrate a plate, but it'd still do some damage, the wearer is going to know he's been hit.

Rifles usually have a lot more versatility to them.

I know the shotgun sucks in Insurgency, but I swear to god putting a scope on it makes it even shittier somehow.

I'm not joking either I truly think the scope fucks the hitbox, or the pellets or something I've tested it.

>It would be impossible in an FPS tho

Some games come close, although you start getting less into strict FPS and you're more into shit like ARMA, VBS and simulators.

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No, even mildly layered Kevlar will catch a slug. Slugs have too much frontal surface area to punch through a gap in the fibers area and are usually made of softer materials. Of course unless you've got a plate with it you're gonna get some very nasty blunt force trauma from it dumping all that energy into you, but it wont penetrate.

Yeah I know I just imagine how dizzy the game would be if every time you're shot with something with lots of stopping power but next to none penetration hit you you fly away

Shotgun made by a dev who knows how to make them satisfying is way better than an assault rifle.

Generally I'd go with the assault rifle anyway because those aforementioned devs don't show up very often.

You would think the devs that made sure the shotty in Underhell was so god like would try to do the same in Insurgency

>not striking your enemy with a massive orbital weapon from two planets away
Get on my level, fag

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>development drama leaks online, un-progressive team members literally fired with confirmed proof
Yeah it'll be great buddy
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>shotguns
>bad in Insurgency

Protip: don't fire from the hip while moving. It ain't CoD, you gotta stop to take the time to aim and shoot.

Seriously, Insurgency is one of the few games to get guns right.

Why would they? They're completely different teams. It's like saying New World Interactive should have made sure automatic rifles were fun to use in Fallout 4.

>underhell
I'm sorry is this the ancient free mods circlejerk?

>implying you actually aim down the sight, that range, in a real firefight of any kind

You know, generally, in real shooting, you're actually a lot less prone to using your sights, especially at extreme close quarters, than most videogames would imply.

Oh, so if you don't use ironsights the bullets will fucking magically disappear into nothingness?

Insurgency is a garbage game.

Here's a neat little test to see if the shotguns in Insurgency are realistic. Take a shotgun, place the muzzle inside your mouth and pull the trigger. If you can reply to this post afterwards, then yes, Insurgency shotguns behave the same as real life.

You wouldn't fly, and you don't. You just get knocked down.

So if you get hit in ARMA, and don't die or get hurt enough to be knocked out, all it does is knock you prone.

That's what I meant with fly, just exaggerating a bit, but still, I imagine it'd be dizzy to know you over when you're hit

>It ain't CoD
Insurgency is literally a barebones, hardcore mode CoD with freeaim though

Each individual pellet from 00 buck is about the equivalent of a .380 pistol round, or if you're being generous, comparable to 9mm. It's pathetic. Combined all 8/9 pellets of 00 buck hits with the same energy as a single round of 5.56, except with much less potential to penetrate. So getting hit in the plate won't get felt more than taking a 5.56 and being hit off plate by an errant pellet is extremely unlikely to be lethal

>imagine the camera spinning when you get shot point blank with a shottie (while armored) and fly a few meters backwards with a few broken ribs because of the blast
just shut up

Ok maybe I the way I worded it made the post sound really retarded, sorry, my bad

>want to mod STALKER to add in a billion guns and increase the atmosphere tenfold
>tfw don't know how.

>not assault shotguns

and how do you plan to reword
>fly a few meters backwards with a few broken ribs because of the blast
without it being factually wrong?

Faggot

It wouldn't feel as hard probably because that energy is much more spread out over a bigger area. Probably feel more like running into a bar or chest high table instead of getting punched/hit where the bullet lands.

But yeah, that's about right, and it'd be nice if more games would just model a shotgun like that, where it's just 8-10 9mm pellets fired very closely together.

>i study the blade
>uses an actual shit tier weapon
Longsword>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> katana
Fuck your "masterwork bastard sword" shit

AMK with arsenal and graffix mods

lmao this guy got rekd haha

>being knocked off by a shotgun shot to the chest while wearing armor

Am I wrong to assume that a direct hit to the chest from a shotgun in CQ would knock you down and break a few ribs?

I think he's implying the person in the webm missed. It does look like he was aiming slightly left and up.

>armored enemy flying a few meters backwards
>from a shotgun blast
Nigger do you understand how momentum works? Unless the person firing the shotgun is sent flying from the recoil of the gun, people aren't going to be sent flying from being hit by one. They might fall over, sure, but they wouldn't be sent flying around like ragdolls.

Do you get knocked on your feet and have a few ribs broken when you fire a shotgun? What kind of cartoon physics world do you live in?

Maybe even internal bleeding. If it's 12g or lower.

That's about right.

You'd likely be knocked on your ass, and broke ribs are not out of the question, along with bruising and shit.

It'd be like getting punched by a heavyweight boxer.

Does a m1 tank get knocked back 500 feet wen it fires the cannon?

Shotguns because assault rifles are almost always really boring, vanilla weapons without much style to them.
If i'm going to use an automatic, I'll use a battle rifle or something.

Both shots were directly on the enemy's head and upper torso.

rifles
but if given the chance i prefer bows

This. The satisfying shotgun kills are the only reason I can stand playing Siege. Seriously, their shotguns are as good as their servers are bad.

My load out if I can only have two guns is a shotgun with the tightest spread if possible, and a heavy pistol.
If I can have three, I'll throw in some sort of grenade launcher. Also, fuck mag-fed shotguns. Tube feed is tactically superior.

Addendum, you wouldn't fly anywhere because of physics, Newton's 3rd law, you'd likely just be taken off balance and have the wind knocked out of you and hurt.

Like, a punch to the gut wouldn't send you flying, but it could easily put you down and make you want to stay down.

It could if the round isn't explosive and the tank has the same mass as whatever is getting blown 500 feet back

>Cred Forums learns about muzzle energy

billstclair.com/energy.html

In breaking bad, when the armsdealer gets shot whilst wearing a bullet proof vest, with just a pistol, he complains about having maybe broken a rib and getting knocked on his ass. Now imagine a shotgun.

SMGs (SLAUGHTER MANLET GAMERS) because i'm not a pussy ass bitch.

I already said it was a retarded post, don't hold it against me, it's like two in the morning and I have not slept for almost two days
yeah and you don't get your face blown off by shooting someone with a sniper to the head but he sure as hell will

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself properly, I'm just under the understanding that getting shot with a shotgun point blank would at least knock you off your feet

Apparently 5.56 has less than half the energy of a 12 gauge

7.62 has about the same as a 12 gauge, and 30.06 has slightly more.

This, no game had pistols as effective and satisfying as GTAIV did

That's with slugs though and by 100m they're about equivalent. 00 buckshot will net about the same energy as a 5.56 right from the muzzle

Semi auto rifles.

> i'm not a pussy ass bitch
>'baww assault rifles are too heavy for me'

Pistol and shotgun combo

>00 buckshot will net about the same energy as a 5.56 right from the muzzle

you know slugs and buckshot use about the same charge right

what about assault shotguns?

Use your chest as the brace for a shotgun and fire it.

I guarantee you will have broken ribs.

Shooting a 12g will even bruise the fuck out of your shoulder.

What about Shotgun Rifles

Thats stupid.
They should all have more or greater impact stats than a 12 gauge everywhere but on eye to eye to eye.

It would definitely knock you off your feet. Getting hit with the buckshot is not the same as absorbing the recoil through the specifically design stock. The guy/s that are intimating otherwise don't understand physics and have never fired a gun.

Semi-automatic rifles master race
Much higher skill ceiling than PPSPBSPSSHHHGG and POWPOWPOW

This doesn't change the fact that a slug carries much more mass and is considerably more aerodynamic than a cluster of lead balls being forced down a tube by a paper or plastic wad. The muzzle energy of 00 buck is about 1900 joules. A single round of 5.56 is about 1800 joules

>shooting a 12g will bruise your shoulder
no it wont, it'll hurt at first but once you get used to it it's nowhere near half as bad as people say it is, however if you hold it improperly or don't brace correctly then you've got a good chance of fucking up.

What about Shotgun Launchers?

As someone that does own several shotguns and fires them somewhat frequently, no you're wrong

That's not a shotgun.

I do own and shoot shotguns. Shotguns do not hit that hard. Even mythbusters did an episode on this and their target barely even moved

That should bw eye to eye, hopefully someone caught that.

I like shotguns more but I usually use ARs because shotguns are fucking garbage compared to ARs most of the time.

>shotgun launcher
>posts mosin

you guys are right, sorry. Assault Rife Launchers.

You're right but not because of Newton. The energy projected onto the shooter is softened and absorbed through the gun and into their shoulder, so the effect of the energy of the bullet firing is not felt the same for the shooter to the one being shot.

>ancient
wtf, the mod came out in fall 2013?
and it was easily the GOTY back then, and one of the best shooters since the original FEAR.

just choose your poison.