What faction did you choose in the Skyrim civil war?

fuck this trash game
also stormcloaks

Anyone that picked the stormcloaks understands nothing about how they would ruin the entire world and is probably a 15 year old that has anarchy signs on his bedroom door. If the empire is broken up it just makes it so much easier for the AD to take over. But if the empire were united they could withstand an attack from them. It isn't about "racism" it's about what's good for Nirn.

Imperial Legion. I am from ex-YU so I don't believe in separatism anymore.

Because we've had it time and time again but stormcucks don't understand much of anything.

Take a look at how Hammerfell is doing.

Alright, fuck this Skyrim conversation, I'm outright curious.

Were you alive during Yugoslavia? How was it? What country are you in now?

I picked the faction of not playing this casualized pile of Todd Howard's festering shit, opting for an actual good RPG like Morrowind.

and here they are. Didn't take long.

>Ulfric walked up to the High King with no hostility, then Shouted at him and killed him with absolutely zero warning

>Stormcloaks act like this was an honorable duel issued with a formal challenge

Fucking scum, even the Khajit will at least admit to their shittery

Stormcloak. I am from ex-YU so I don't believe in unity anymore.

After reading the journals and letters passed between Aldmeri embassy, after I spent a good hour hunting down every yellow skinned elf gook I could find, I put the place to the torch. Anyone that goes against the empire has a place waiting for them.

If the legion didn't try to chop off my head I would have gone for them.

I was born literally the first day the war came to my village. I am a Serb living in Croatia so I got to interact with the both sides.

No matter their affiliation, be it self proclaimed nationalists, socialists, communists and any other political flavor they all agree they lived better before, at least here in the east.

My grandad had illiterate unemployed wife and four kids. All they ever did was small scale farming and construction work. He managed to buy a plot of land and build on it, not one house, but two houses.

Nowdays if you live like that you can only survive if you have one, two or more family members doing the same work, but in the end you still earn less combined than a person who does manual labour in Germany and Sweden.

Goverment owned industry was sold out for personal profits well below their actual value, yet people still vote for these fuck cuz "muh coroatia" or "muh democracy".

I am waiting one more year to finish my college so I can move out, just like more than half my family and friends did.

In conclusion, social security was better, the place was run better than it is now, people were friendlier. But brothers became bitter enemies in a span of couple of years.

>hate elves
>is supporting the empire
cucklad

fucking cuck

I never picked and then accidentally ended the war with a peace treaty.
too bad it wasn't even a war and more like an argument

>Being a willing pawn of the elven scum.

Treacherous curs.

this, kings advisor and his wife also said that the high king admired Ulfric and would have agreed to a rebellion if Ulfric asked for it

The Empire is literally a cuckold domain. Outlawed the worship of the one who made the current empire as well as killing their own fellow humans because elves told them to. Not to mention that they're following a Colovian usurper.

You're a hipster cuckold.

The thing is, the Thalmor know they're fucked, since in about 30-40 years the empire will have repopulated, whereas the Thalmor will have had barely any new soldiers ready, since Elves essentially live forever they don't have children anywhere near as often

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes..Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

the empire is preparing for a war, Tulius says so to you at the end of the civil war, guess what Ulfric does? he sends ambassadors to High Rock and Hammerfel to further undermine and antagonise the Empre

also Talos was worshipped freely as it was not actively persecuted, the guards pretending to not notice anything, until Ulfric raised a stink about it, giving the Thalmor a reason to send the Justicicars

Oh it's a roman weeaboo. Nothing to see here. He's just a shallow cuckold that likes the aesthetics while knowing fuck all about the lore.

I'm so fucking bored of this topic and this retarded board whose only purpose is to antagonize the popular choices.

So screencap this post: Skyrim won't be a part of the usurper Empire in the next TES. If anything they'll form a coalition with Hammerfell.

Description: Jarl of Windhelm, leader of Stormcloak rebellion, Imperial Legion veteran

Background: Ulfric first came to our attention during the First War Against the Empire, when he was taken as a prisoner of war during the campaign for the White-Gold Tower. Under interrogation, we learned of his potential value (son of the Jarl of Windhelm) and he was assigned as an asset to the interrogator, who is now First Emissary Elenwen. He was made to believe information obtained during his interrogation was crucial in the capture of the Imperial City (the city had in fact fallen before he had broken), and then allowed to escape. After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset.The so-called Markarth Incident was particularly valuable from the point of view of our strategic goals in Skyrim, although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact.

Operational Notes: Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant. As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim. (NOTE: The coincidental intervention of the dragon at Helgen is still under scrutiny. The obvious conclusion is that whoever is behind the dragons also has an interest in the continuation of the war, but we should not assume therefore that their goals align with our own.) A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed."

>Defending a useful pawn, wanting the elves to take over
>calls someone else a weeaboo when vikings in reality would have stolen all your shit and left you for dead if they didn't leave an axe in your head for being in their way

See And choke on a turd.

>Trying to prop up someone that broke underneath the elves.

>Their great leader sucker punch/murdered skyrim's leader and surrendered to the enemy during the war.

Truly a visionary leader.

Always Nord, always Stormcloaks.
And I never do any magic shit either, except for the voice thing cause that's a nordic thing.

Current results.

>empire turns a blind eye to talos worship/secretly encourages it.
>snowniggers paint a giant target on their backs with their snowniggerdoms.

There was a war?

The only right choice.

youtube.com/watch?v=qmwCd9G7Ics

.t Fucking retard

>skyrim is strong alone guys!

Suck my dick Merkel. #Hammerfellout

>Hammerfell did it themselves, this WITHOUT the Dragon of the North on their side.
At the cost of leaving their province in shambles.

Bro you are literally a cuckold.
With dragon born leading the Nord armies they cleave through entire Thalmor all the way back to their mothers wombs if they ever try to start shit up. Also fuck Empire, they sold Nords out and left them out to dry

The Uninstallium of P'Csus

It's doing terrible.

> Yeah you guys just get fucked and shit on, while we regroup and try to forge better political deals with the enemy thats fucking you, if that doesn't work out that much in our favor, we will come to your aid

>Bro my plot armor will save all the people that will die
>except people with thu'um have existed before current dragonborn and they didn't save shit but my head canon is the real shit
>calling others a cuck while sitting on yellow elf dick

Go prep your elven masters 'bro'

>they sold Nords out
How, exactly?

the side with the cylon on it is the best choice desu

A unified Empire is the best hope for defeating the Thalmor entirely. An independent Skyrim will only keep the Thalmor at bay. Supporting the Empire is the right choice.

I'm sorry we can't hear you over the Dragon Commanding Superman, thats also a leader of dozen of different guilds who is also a master of magic, subterfuge, arms, alchemy and enchanting

How exactly were they getting fucked? There wasn't even any war going on in their lands.

Shilling your youtube videos is a banable offense.

>Go prep your elven masters 'bro'
Thats the empires job senpai

Question for empire fags.
How do you expect an empire that has lost its ruler, fought a costly war in north and was unable to even at the top of its power to take down thalmor, to be able to do it now, after the skyrim civil war has ended on their terms?

Why would they be sacred of that?

The Empire led by a cuckold usurper? After Hammerfell proved that they're not needed? No.

By unleashing wave after wave of Nord conscripts at them.

United Skyrim is a scary thing. Stormcloak victory is undesirable as they said.

Humans already obliterated two races of elves in the past.

Reminder that the best way to worship and uphold Talos is to preserve and fight for the empire he created.

Reminder that Stormcloak separatism makes it easier for the Thalmor to continue their operations in Tamriel.

Reminder that Ulfric is basically on the Thalmor payroll.

Reminder that if the Thalmor succeed in destabilizing/destroying the towers they'll win.

You're use of the word cuckold shows how desperate you are.

He couldn't even beat a kid in a sword fight and he refused to fight balgruuf because he's a coward and not a real nord.

>it's a faggot injects his real world experiences in a video game episode.

collecting data for the next TES are we?

> Be the backbone of Empires armies
> Fight Empires wars
> Empire gets shit on
> Lol, Ok I guess we go back home to chill
> --Yeah you do that, also enjoy your new Elven Masters telling you what to do
> What ?
> --Yeah, don't worry about it, we are regrouping
> But-
> ---Just don't worry about, also keep sending your silver to us, need it now more than ever

The Thalmor didn't exist when it was at the top of its power. Also, the same can be asked of Skyrim. It makes no sense for you to pull the "one province can do it alone!" at the same time as "the empire with multiple provinces is sure to lose!"

>Not helping the current dragonborn create a new empire and ascend to become new talos

>Reminder that the best way to worship and uphold Talos is to preserve and fight for the empire he created.
Reminder that you're a fucking retarded piece of shit who is unaware that even TALOS HIMSELF FUCKING SAID THAT THE EMPIRE NEEDS TO FUCKING GO BACK IN MORROWIND.

You secondary fuck.

>lol we tried to kill you but pls join us
Anyone who chose legion is a legit cuck desu

You say that but ulfric was YELLOWED during the war.

by getting ready for round 2.
The war was a bloody stalemate for the elves and they are running out of men.
Its like the germans after barbarossa.

>Haha, dude whatever, Hammerfell lasted on its own, we'll be fine
>Elves start taking more land from weaken empire and become even more powerful
>Now both Skyrim and Hammerfell have to face a united Nirn under Elven rule alone
Thanks guys.

You getting triggered at him using it just hows how powerless and desperate you are

>from Cred Forums

Go get your head cut off you usurper cuck.

>Reminder that Stormcloak separatism makes it easier for the Thalmor to continue their operations in Tamriel.
You don't support people that fuck you over.

yes that's where we are

>Fight Empires wars
They are part of the empire, they're not fighting other people's wars.

> --Yeah you do that, also enjoy your new Elven Masters telling you what to do
The "Elven Masters" just restrict Talos worship, and the only reason they went to Skyrim to enfore was because of Ulfric in the first place. Also, this isn't a Skyrim problem, it's a problem everywhere else.

a board that is unable to even discuss why they supported a particular side in a civil war of 50 people without calling each other race traitors of cuckolds is not the place to do research on the next TES game.

>Reminder that Stormcloak separatism makes it easier for the Thalmor to continue their operations in Tamriel.
Yeah dude. Totally. Just like the continued in Hammerfell. Oh wait

The old emperor was fine though. And he's dead anyway. Skyrim is in no position to take down the Thalmor by themselves. They're too far away and outnumbered by the thalmor alliance.

Splitting up the countries and attacking them individually is how the thalmor want to win. An independent Skyrim will not go after the thalmor on its own. That is why the only chance for a lasting victory against the thalmor is to have a united coalition against them.

>They are part of the empire
Not anymore :^)

You can't dethrone Talos, Talos occupies the throne of the missing god. Maybe join Talos.

Hammerfell didn't have a civil war before fighting the thalmor off and they had aid from sympathizers in the empire.

Your use of the word triggered shows that you're from redditumblr.

>They are part of the empire, they're not fighting other people's wars.
Yes they are you donkey, thats like when Euros went to war in ME with US. What did they get ? Fuck all, while US got the Oil fields.
The fuck do you think Skyrim gets for fighting in far off lads for the ((Empire)) not fucking skyrim.

>Implying the Thalmor would win anything by attacking a country on the other side of a continent they don't directly control
>Implying the dragonborn wouldn't sink their shitty fleet with a storm call shout

>hurr lets waste our lives and resources fighting each other
>that'll show those high elves
Stormcucks are pathetic.

All this usage of 'cuck' by stormcloak supporters makes me think there is a correlation between stormfags and trump supporting alt-righters aka complete fucking morons

Stop repeating that like a retard. Sounds like you're just parroting something with no idea of what you're talking about. It's like saying that Vietnam came out better than the US after the war.

Heres your reply m8.

you seem to be ignoring

>A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed.

not quite as kind to your position, is it?

Stormcloaks demand independence and the empire, in its tyrannical manner, decides to oppress instead.

>let's kill these nords because elves ordered us to do so
>OH LMAO DUDE STOP RESISTING AND JUST GET YOUR HEAD CUT OFF LMAO WHY YOU KILLING US BACK?
Fuck off.

> getting triggered this hard
Embarrassing bruv, you lost the fight with the guy and now you are lashing out with absolute shit tier

What do you expect from a group of people who follow a YELLOWED coward.

The new emperor is the Dragonborn.

>>hurr lets waste our lives and resources fighting each other
Kind off like Empire chopping your fucking head off at the beginning of the game :^) ?

>let's kill these nords because elves ordered us to do so
Sounds like you didn't understand shit from the game.

>Join the Empire.
>Win the war.
>Celebrate by assassinating the Emperor.

Mark my words. The Last Dragonborn will canonically become the Emperor in the next game.

Reminder that Torygg would have petitioned for independence had Ulfric asked.

Reminder that because Ulfric is a vain cunt who works for the Thalmor, he instead chose to kill Torygg.

You are delusional if you honestly think the Stormcloaks have a chance of fighting off the Thalmor on their own.

>EMOTIONS WILL SURELY KILL THE ELVES GUYS WHEN HAVE LOGIC AND REASON EVER HELPED US

>it's time to start slaughtering our fellow countrymen at the bidding of the elves
"I'M DOING THIS FOR YOU" the Legate cried as he plunged his sword into a Nord, at the gleeful cheering of a horseback Altmer

An independant Skyrim is not going to aid Cryodil if it is attacked. Nor the dunmer. An independant Skyrim is out of the game until the thalmor has taken down everyone else and is ready to march on it in force.

IfSkyrim is with the empire, Skyrim warriors can help the empire in both defense and more importantly offense. Skyim's resources are added to the Empire's if the empire takes the initiative. With more troops on it's side, the Empire is more likely to win.

And you speak of the stormcloaks in a manner where you think they don't have a fucking weapon of mass shouting on their side.

United coalition might happen. The empire sustaining will not. Just like Talos said it back in Morrowind.

The Khajiit will get outraged once they found out that the Thalmor has tricked them with the moons.

The Bosmer already hate their fucking guts and are planning the rebellion.

The Redguards already proved that not only is the empire not needed but that they can defeat the AD.

The Nords will become independent in the next game and join in the resistance.

Again. Screencap this post.

>You are delusional if you honestly think the Stormcloaks have a chance of fighting off the Thalmor on their own.
You're fucking retarded if you think they can't. Screencap my post.

>skyrim "lore"

The Stormcloaks, in their fight against the Thalmor and their alleged imperial sycophants*, weakened the potential united front against the elves in a second, inevitable showdown between the two larger powers. All they did was fuck themselves over. The Empire needs the nords and vice versa to fight the thalmor.

*Mede's empire didn't enforce the ban on Talos worship until Ulfric pushed them. The White-Gold concordat mainly served to buy Mede time after his pyrrhic victory against the elves; time the empire needed to recuperate their losses and rebuild their armies.

Literally only people from tumblr say "triggered". It's neither here nor there, but it's simply the truth.

...

>You are delusional if you honestly think the Redguards have a chance of fighting off the Thalmor on their own

stormcloaks make the least amount of sense, plus Ulfric is a fucking asshole

Have you seen skyrim?
That place is surrounded by mountains.
No matter how much larger the elf armies are, it will be very easy to defend Skyrim.
Also, are you implying that there would be no resistance forces forming across the defeated empire?

Yeah sister, #notallniggerelves

because stormcloak defenders are literally LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU KEK CUK KEK KILLED THE EMPEROR LOL

I voted Stormcloak. There needs to be a great cleansing on Nirn. The elves and redguards are inferior races in the way of men. Wiping them out to the last babe is the only option.

Besides, everyone knows that if there is a canon ending to Skyrim in TES VI, then it will be a Stormcloak victory with a collapse of the Empire.

They don't, only Ulfric and the Greybeards know how to use the voice aside from the Dragonborn. And something tells me that the Greybeards aren't going to get involved in Ulfric's ego stroking war.

>Nords
>on the same level of competence as the Redguards

>until the thalmor has taken down everyone else
Yeah bro. Just like they've taken down Hammerfell. Oh wait.

>This poor sap doesn't know Redguards are canonically superior warriors to Nords.

But they don't. They used guerrilla tactics to fucking survive while their province got completely butchered by the Thalmor. The Thalmor simply withdrew because it became too much of a hassle.

>Hammerfell didn't have a civil war
>what is Forebearers and Crowns

Nords already genocided one elven race. Now shut the fuck up and screencap my post. Cuckold.

I'm implying that Skyrim sitting out the next war is a bad thing for it in the long term. Even being on bad terms with the empire is bad, because they won't trust the empire if it asks for troops to help attack Summerset Isles.

and Skyrim could never make it too much of a hassle?

>Y-YOU DIDN'T WIN!
>HAH, T-THIS IS A TACTICAL WITHDRAWAL BECAUSE WE'RE BORED AND NOT BECAUSE YOU JUST FUCKED US IN THE ASS!

>redguards
>inferior to nords

>resorting to calling others cucks
>while serving a Thalmor agent

Hammerfall is going to lose in the long run. The empire's hands are tied and the thalmor can call on the bosmer and kahjit to gangsquad the thalmor.

Hammerfell took out the Thalmor with the help of the Imperial Legions who '' retired from duty''. Nordic, Dunmer, Breton and Orcish as well as Imperial blood was shed in Hammerfell helping to fight against the Thalmor.

I downloaded a torture mod just so I could do that to any golden jew bastard I could find. Sometimes, the furnace is not enough, payment must be demanded in blood and misery.

>ACTUALLY serving the thalmor
>also sucking on that usurper cock like the cuck you are

Screencap
My
Post
Cuckold

>Cuck cuck cuck cuck
>no u cuck

Riveting

>Empire is eternal
>Empire is infallible

Dude, nations and empires rise and fall, to keep this one in life support is just everyones waste of time and resources.

>Nords already genocided one elven race
Which one, exactly? The Falmer weren't genocided by the Nords.

>Hammerfall is going to lose in the long run.
Ayy lmao. You're getting desperate.

>and the thalmor can call on the bosmer and kahjit to gangsquad the thalmor.
>bosmer
>khajiit
See

Current results.

redguards had massive imperial forces left behind you fucktard, its literally in the books in game, that the empire labelled a lot of its fighters as invalids and left them in Hammerfel to keep fighting

Hammerfel is also much more powerful then Skyrim

Anyone got the screencap of the stormcloak fags getting absolutely btfo?

Who wants to be Pelenial 2.0 in TES 6 and make the dunmer, wood cucks, furlords, and thalmor extinct?

Posters who use the word "cuck" are desperate. It implies that they are becoming defensive and all they have left is insults. They know they're agreeing with the other person, but they aren't ready to accept it yet.

Stormcloaks

Imperium is for weak pussies.

>Ayy lmao. You're getting desperate
He's not. Hammerfell is completely destroyed. The Thalmor provinces are fine.

Bro. Screencap my post.

reminder that the dunmer are now more capable than ever as a people and will set things right

Duty, gravity, piety.

Talos worship ban was NEVER ENFORCED UNTIL STORMTARDS ACTED LIKE MORONS

The concord was a wink wink nudge nudge to all humans to bid their time until humans inevitably refill their ranks for the second big war which we would win this time without the element of surprise. Then we could have all sat around and slapped each other on the back about how those stupid elves actually fell for it.

But no, only the nords could not read between the lines and wait a few years.

Talos is an overpowered super soul that doesnt even need worship.

In fact, there are no known instances of a god losing their power to begin with.

>Redguards
>inferior

t. muh skyrim for the nords

Reminder that
>Imperials, Altmer
Had space programs, extraterrestrial colonies and founded several empires
>Redguards
Developed swords so sharp they accidentally set off a nuclear fission reaction that blew up their old continent and so came to Hammerfell and fucked up everyone to found their new country
>Dwemer
Were and are THE indisputably most powerful race with their literal psychic internet and tonal magic that literally rewrites fundamental laws, until they got turned into a robot filled with their sheer hate for reality that was used by a Breton pretending to be a Nord to fuck up the Altmer
>Nords
>

Confirming what we knew, the Stormfags are just loud retards.

>no Almsivi
They are doomed.

IC is made by the Ayleids.

Hows it feel that the direct actions of the Nerevarine are why the Dunmer lands are completely ruined?

Even the argonians with their pent up rage and anger felt so pititful of the dark elves that they settled on just pissing on you before leaving.

Ulric is an idiot blinded by pride and his desperate desire for redemption from the guilt he put upon himself. If it wasn't for him the Thalmor wouldn't be that fucking adamant bout talos worship since everyone did it In secret anyway. But then again it is our Nordic way to be prideful and not pussy

How new are you ?

How about you take a pic of Solitude or Windhelm.

The almsivi were false gods who submitted to the empire. By the time of Morrowind dunmer society had stagnated and was hardly going anywhere. With the almsivi gone and a traditionalist house back in the lead the dunmer might return to their velothi traditions in pursuing the psijic endeavour.

>the people who voted imperial are also doing the smart thing and not getting baited into commenting
Yeah, they're the dumb ones!

They look like shit and have 10 inhabitants each.

a lot like how how legions of the empire were made of Nords, right?

> Get shrecked so fucking hard your entire race has to beg a race that lives in caves to let them live with them
> They accept with the condition that they slice out their fucking eyes
> the elves agree

It's pretty pathetic that the other races literally need a millenia of progress development to even compete with the Nords who are still living in huts. It just goes to show the superiority of Nord blood.

Who were overthrown by Imperials (with some sympathetic Ayleids), who proceeded to go on and found empires and literal space programs

>1 (one) nice city and one shithole practically a ruin

Sure hope you're enjoying your """"home""""", Hjafhar

Imperial-Thalmor relations makes it easy. It's impossible not to recognize it as extremely cucky.

Not much of an improvement desu.

>Cuck cuck cuck cuck

The sound of Empire

>what is a long term strategy

>he didn't post Whiterun or Solitude
The Pale is well known to be outright dogshit

Argonians fucked the decadent houses up, contributing to the rise of Great House Redoran. Cities like Balmora were already being rebuilt a few years after the Red Year; it's described in books found in Solstheim. Volcanic soil also happens to be very fertile, so the dunmer probably won't have too much an issue with their agriculture, especially not by the time of Skyrim. Ontop of that dunmer religion's central pillar of the Psijic Endeavour; enlightenment through strife. Their culture revolves around getting fucked over then rising back up as a stronger people.

What civil war?

is the*

fug english is hard :DDD

The one you can completely opt out of and not miss much of value.

>y-you're actually serving the Thalmor, not us
>yes, Justiciar, i will execute those Nords for you
lmao

>Who were overthrown by Imperials
They were aided by this guy and his magical robot crusader.

Also they were nedes, not imperials. And Alessian empire is not Talos's empire.

Civilized Roman Empire or dirty Germanics babarians?

You are a genuine fucking retard that you believe in any way what so ever that "Empire" LUL TRICKED INTO SIGNING CEASEFIRE!
The Empire got super lucky that Thalmor overextended while completely shitting on Empire and gave them golden concord so their supply chains catch up and empire can get a deep breath before continuing to receive big yellow elven dick in their ass

But user that doesn't involve running into the enemy and being killed prematurely.

Ysmir didn't exist yet

And anyway, Nedes make up half of Imperials.

(picture of woman sucking two dicks but who is only pretending to be a slut and has in fact outsmarted the two men)

Its easy because you're addicted to shitposting and never intended to post anything worth discussing in the first place.

Lets not pretend that you need any sort of pretense.

Nords kick started the Empire, and were the first Men on Tamriel to stick it to the Mer.

When the history is written for the game, the PC is completely ignored and his actions are not included in the way events turn out. Quit saying that the dragonborn is going to turn the tide of battle because that's irrelevant to the conversation and demonstrates that skyrim is the first fucking ES game you've played.

>Elenwen literally has a journal detailing how Ulfric is working for them
>SKYRIM IS FUR DA NOOORDSXDDD

> us geting fuck in the ass is part of the plan, next up is them falling in love with us and us not turning up to the wedding

>Nord 'planning'

I always thought that it was the sound of ulfric made whenever he saw elynewen.

since there's no IDs here you haven't seen all the other posts I've been bringing facts to

you have to complain about the terminology because your argument is failing.

.t fucking retard

>they were nedes, not imperials
The ancestors of imperials.

>And Alessian empire is not Talos's empire.
Yes it is, it takes the legacy of the Alessian and Reman empires and resurrects it. Alessia made the contract with Akatosh to obtain the Amulet of Kings in the first place.

are you refeering to the Dossier?

the one where he is listed as Asset only by merit of being a belligerent in the Civil War, the very same dossier that says how bad a Stormcloak victory would be for the Thalmor?

>Ysmir didn't exist yet
Shor is in that picture.

Also, bro, if you want to credit the Imperials for overthrowing the Aylieds with the help of other Aylieds and Pelinal then you best be ready to credit the Nords for obliterating the Falmer with only 300 companions.

You can't even t. correctly.

Snow Elves fucking ate it, and righteously too, fuck their butchery at Saarthal.

Also the one where she states that Ulfric was persuaded to work for the Thalmor and start the civil war, and to prolong the war as long as possible.

Theres no facts or discussion in this thread, only memes, and I haven't been apart of your shitflinging contest. I'm just pointing out that you look like children, thats probably why there are over 200 votes to the poll and only 47 posters.

Please, don't let me interrupt your fascinating cuckolding contest.

thats Ulfric, but whos the dark haired dude?

>he unironically believes the Falmer campaign was done with 500 companions

Not only did you get the number wrong, the Falmer extermination took several generations, and enough of it was twisted by blurred memories that it was enough for Ysgramor to be turned into a dragon called Ysmaalithax the Northerly Dragon.

Is pic related the only argument that a stormcuck can make?

Nords killed a bunch of dispersed and weak Snow Elves and got their butts kicked out of Morrowind by the Dunmer. Meanwhile the ancestors of Imperials destroyed the most powerful and organized Elven empire of the time.

it doesnt matter

Imperial Victory
>Great war restarts and the Dragonborn leads the legion in a smashing victory

Stormcloak victory
>Aldmeri launches a massive expedition to crush Skyrim but the Dragonborn led resistance wears down the overextended elven armies. The imperials joins in and crushes them together
>The elves are defeated, Talos is restored and Skyrim rejoins the Empire with their goals accomplished

source?

because uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak says no such thing.

He was to busy killing them, unlike someone who tried chopping our heads off

>no argument

>implying Ulfric would allow the Empire to help
>implying he wouldn't let his countrymen die to stick it to the empire.

>dispersed and weak
absolutely not

they all but completely owned Skyrim

When did he kill any elves? He was a prisoner for most of the great war and he's been fighting human enemies for the entire civil war..

is pic related all it takes to get Imperials to completely throw their honor out the window?

Imperial because I actually have pride in my city's appearance.

it's the other way around

Ulfric was a legion veteran, it was the Empire that stabbed their people in the back.

It isnt Stormcloaks that were hanging people out to dry, it was them who were being done so.

I went with the Stormcloaks purely because a victory for the Imperial Legion meant a victory for the Thalmor.

Nords can't even defeat a bunch of reachmen savages who occupy a third of their province and they think they have any chances of defeating the Thalmor?

he was captured while defending the Imperial city

That guy is a stormcloak prisoner. pic related is openly worshiping talos in an imperial territory without any difficulties.

No he challenged him to combat and slaughtered him to prove a point. The king was a grown man and the person charged with ruling skyrim. If he was too weak and stupid to either not battle or win the fight he shouldn't have been king.

And Imperials can't even defeat Nords.

which desu makes no sense

Thalmor Justiciars will question you very belligerently if you worship Talos. They genuinely are hunting Talos worshipers, and i think Heimskrs existence is just Todd being a piece of shit.

Except they can.

He was young, and somebody who looked up to would have listened to Ulfric if he just sat down and talked. Ulfric's just a retarded murderer who has a horse of M-MUH NORDS drones willing to accept him.

For all the talk of tradition, Ulfric actually broke two very important nordic traditional rules:
1)he challenged Torryg to combat and used Thuum instead of properly fighting him with a melee weapon
2) By using Thuum he went against the way of the voice, which is why the greybeards are butthurt about him

fuck that vain, glory obsessed retard

Stormcloakes because I developed deep hatred for the Imperials when I played Morrowind

I'm a Dunmer at heart and those faggots deserve every bad in the world so joining the Cloaks just to shit in their cereal was pretty awesome.

I wish Skyrim had any actual means of roleplay tho

that's blatantly untrue

>Igmund, son of the previous Jarl of the Reach, took it upon himself to seek help from Ulfric in ousting the Reachmen invaders. He promised Ulfric that if he re-took the Reach, then Igmund as Jarl would allow free worship of Talos. Ulfric agreed and marched his militia to the gates of Markarth and retook the city, supposedly using the power of his Thu'um.[8]

>people discussing Skyrim's shit nonsensical war details

>The king was a grown man
Barely.

Yeah like why

He was a boy king, couldnt Ulfric take him on with just fists?

I dont see why Ulfric has to be a bitch about all of this

The way of the voice not being utilized in combat is a relatively new mentality that honestly has no point of even being there anymore.

Thuum is a gift of Kyn. A wife of Shor. It should be used to defend the worship of Shor.

They just retook Markarth. Just walk outside of Markarth and enjoy getting raided by reachmen.

>People having fun

Have a (you) for being that guy

>he challenged Torryg to combat and used Thuum instead of properly fighting him with a melee weapon
i don't know where the tradition says you cant use Thuum. I'm not trying to prove a point there, i honestly don't know.
>By using Thuum he went against the way of the voice
use the voice to honor the gods, and guess what Talos is.

I don't see what's fun in trying to make sense out of Bethesda's mess of a story.

Ulfric KNEW this was not something a petty jarl had the jurisdiction to enact. He was just looking for an excuse and everyone knows it.

I didn't play the game. I haven't played an Elder Scrolls game since Oblivion disappointed me. It feels like they get less and less content each time.

Which faction is better?

Enjoy your shack in the Grey Quarter.

Torryg WAS a grown man. You can see him in Sovngarde. Also he was a weakling that had no right to be a king of an race whose kings were literally waging and winning wars as kids.

the ones that Stormcloaks are activly fighting?
It's literally mop-up operations dude, that's like saying the Imperial camps in the wilderness now count as Stormcloaks not taking Skyrim despite owning all Hold cities.

>Ulfric was a legion veteran
ulfric was a coward who surrendered to the Dominion and then surrendered to the Empire without a fight (seriously if you go with Hadvir or whatever that imperial is at Helgen, he will tell you that Ulfric didn't even try to fight them)

Thalmors aren't allowed passage into hold capitols.

>which desu makes no sense
it does, Jarl Balgruf hasn't supported the Empire or the Stormcloaks, he is neutral

It's a good thing Ulfric isn't a petty Jarl, but the soon-to-be High King then, mmhm?

All part of the plan.

I also fucking hated Oblivion, and I thought Skyrim was a nice step forward. give it a shot. You're not going to find Morrowind again, but it took back a little bit of the magic.

>seriously if you go with Hadvir or whatever that imperial is at Helgen, he will tell you that Ulfric didn't even try to fight them
can you show me the script?
Sounds like Imperial self-rationalizing to me though. He is blatantly out for Altmer blood, no changing that.

talk about a war that has ZERO impact on the game. Like everyone wont shut the fuck up about it in game but the only difference is that the side you choose is the side that replaces all the standard guard outfits and a town leader or two gets changed.

Also fuck the stormcloacks. Simply because half the time I ever tried their questline the game would bug out and a necessary NPC would never spawn in breaking the game.

No, when Tullius found out the Thalmor were headed their way after word of their capture of Ulfric, he was worried about Thalmor meddling and allowing Ulfric to escape and prolonging the war. Because of this, he ordered the execution in Helgen to keep the Thalmor from prolonging the war as was their plan

>is a relatively new mentality
are you crazy? its a mentality since the battle at red mountain, when the Dunmer managed to fuck up nordic shit up

>use the voice to honor the gods, and guess what Talos is.
the way of the voice is all about pacifism, honour the gods by prayer, not by killing a young king

>Torryg WAS a grown man. You can see him in Sovngarde
thats just his shitty model, he is supposed to be very young, and he admired Ulfric and would have agreed to rebel, but Ulfric wanted personal power and glory

it goes on to show that he if pushed he prefers Imperial gold and status, and I'm surprised that Thalmor wouldn't have heard of him since he's pretty loud and unignorable.

>can you show me the script?
hwat? just start the game and check it user, where will I find the script? if when running from helgen you talk to that imperial guy he will tell you about it

Since Barlgruf is officially the neutralfag of the Jarls the Thalmor cannot march into the hold and arrest him like they can in the full on Imperial holds

>the way of the voice is all about pacifism
it was a tool of violence in the war against the Dragons. It is obviously a military tool, but one that is meant to be used conservatively, for the gods.

I didn't do the faction war because there was no writing preceding it or mentions of either side during the other quest lines. Also the civil war wasn't even represented in the world. There was no strife until the MC showed up to the party.

May as well just pick whichever color you like.

Even solitude doesn't allow thalmor to enter the city.

I'm not seeing it, and this is the only bit of his dialogue that addresses Ulfric.

>it was a tool of violence in the war against the Dragons
the way of the voice appeared after the war against the dragons, did you not talk to the greybeards at all? The way appeared after that when Nords lost against the Dunmer

in case you guys were wondering, i made a second poll at r/skyrim to see how Cred Forums would compare to Reddit.

reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/54kn1e/what_side_does_rskyrim_support_in_civil_war

>he surrendered pretty meekly too

Fuck off

yeah, i know, after the defeat at Red Mountain, where it was detailed that the voice should be used to honor the Gods.
It's not a tool of pacifism though, you breathe fire ffs and call storms ffs.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

literally made an account for the sole purpose of making this one nigga

notice filename

No fucking dumbass most of the legions were Imperial based and the Skyrim Nordic legions only came later in the war. Seriously please do some research. In fact n read about the beginning of he Thalmor uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rising_Threat,_Vol._II

t. totally unbiased imperial loyalist

how young was Ulfric when he went off anyway?

>He didn't play his first playthough as a Nord

spotted the REAL faggots

It's not like ulfric's ever broken the rules of a duel because he was losing or anything.

later in the war is still the war, much like how Hammerfell secession came later in the war

by no means did they do this all by themselves, but
>In what is now known as the Battle of the Red Ring, a battle that will serve as a model for Imperial strategists for generations to come, Titus II divided his forces into three. One army, with the legions from Hammerfell under General Decianus, was hidden in the Colovian Highlands near Chorrol. The Aldmeri were unaware that he was no longer in Hammerfell, possibly because the Imperial veterans Decianus had left behind led Lady Arannelya to believe that she still faced an Imperial army. The second army, largely of Nord legions under General Jonna, took up position near Cheydinhal. The main army was commanded by the Emperor himself, and would undertake the main assault of the Imperial City from the north.
>On the 30th of Rain's Hand, the bloody Battle of the Red Ring began as General Decianus swept down on the city from the west, while General Jonna's legionnaires drove south along the Red Ring Road. In a two-day assault, Jonna's army crossed the Niben and advanced west, attempting to link up with Decianus's legions and thus surround the Imperial City. Lord Naarifin was taken by surprise by Decianus's assault, but Jonna's troops faced bitter resistance as the Aldmeri counterattacked from Bravil and Skingrad. The heroic Nord legionnaires held firm, however, beating off the piecemeal Aldmeri attacks. By the fifth day of the battle, the Aldmeri army in the Imperial City was surrounded.
>Titus II led the assault from the north, personally capturing Lord Naarifin. It is rumored the Emperor wielded the famed sword Goldbrand, although this has never been officially confirmed by the Imperial government. An attempt by the Aldmeri to break out of the city to the south was blocked by the unbreakable shieldwall of General Jonna's battered legions.

where did the rules of the duel dictate that thuum could not be used?
honest question, id love to read about the tradition.

They literally said that it was a duel with swords and both parties agreed to it beforehand.

This

All the red year did was get rid of the backwards shitty Dunmer houses, with Redoran at the helm and Telvanni doing what they do best the Dunmer will surely enter a new golden age

Who gives a fuck about civil war bullshit?

What's the best Dunmer Great House?

>Empire:
>hates the Thalmor as much as the Nords
>can draw upon far more men than Skyrim can, and is leagues ahead in offensive capability
>is actively planning another war to drive the Thalmor out of ALL human lands
>is actively fighting the Dominion already in Hammerfell (it's no coincidence that legions' worth of soldiers all retired and decided to move there together just before open rebellion broke out)
>aren't fantasy racists so they will be willing to call anyone who opposes the Thalmor to their banner when the second war breaks out

>Stormcloaks:
>single province way off in the North
>defensively rock-solid but cannot take the fight to the Thalmor
>grand plan is 'kick Thalmor out of Skyrim', no grand designs of liberating all humanity
>fantasy racists who are hell-bent on pissing off everyone who isn't a Nord

Stormcloaks are plain retarded.

Storm cloaks. Scotland forever.

Argonians

I like the frontier aspect of the Redoran and the West Gash is objectively the comfiest spot on the island but Telvanni mushroom towers are pretty cool too

Yes and it great the Nordic legions came and I agree with that but we can't forget about the rest. United we stand, divided we fall.

How the hell is killing a boy-king who all the Jarls but Ulfric rightfully elected in the moot "honoring the gods?"

Is this conflict just Animal Farm again?

But I bought all the mansions and built my own.

>all the jarls want Torygg, except for Ulfric who votes on himself because he wants to use Skyrim for his own purposes
>Torygg wins but is interested on hearing about Ulfric's ideas and maybe implement them
>Invites Ulfric into the Blue Palace
>Ulfric challenges and kills him instead
>people will defend this

And those people also look over the Fact that Torygg even invited Ulfric to hear more of his opinions. uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Torygg

Empire was the only one that made sense in the long run.

Empires always collapse. That's the opposite of a "long run".

The Thalmor has the Empire in their pockets. If you support the Empire, you support the Thalmor.

Longer than a rebellion.

>The Empire and a number of the Jarls, however, viewed the killing of Torygg not as the result of an honorable duel, but as regicide, due to the fact that Torygg was young and had only limited martial training, while Ulfric was a war veteran wielding the power of the thu'um, and moreover, that the duel had been Ulfric's first choice of action, rather than diplomacy. According to his court wizard Sybille Stentor, Torygg had held Ulfric in high regard, and he may have been persuaded if Ulfric had simply asked Torygg to stand with him

Rebellion for independence? Not at all. Keep in mind that empires in TES already collapsed twice and even the founder of the current one came back from the dead to say that it's long overdue.

It fucking pains me that if Ulfric simply talked to Torygg instead of killing him. Outright then skyrim could have peacefully found solution to leave.

I'd imagine that an independent Skyrim wouldn't last long in a Thalmor ruled Tamriel.

Don't worry. Elves canonically cannot win in TES.

ehm

You do realize what happens next right?

Anyway
>C0DA
>anywhere near canon

Imperium the only logical choice.

The Emperor is a dead Turkish corpse sitting on a loo!

the challenge is fine i guess, but that still doesnt push anyone into the Legion.

If i was fighting under Torygg or Ulfric, it doesn't matter because the ideals are what drives the Stormcloaks, not the person.

I'm not a faggot who scours every tome and forum for information, so legion.

>I'm not a faggot who scours every tome and forum for information

>I'm not a faggot who scours every tome and forum for information, so legion.

Stormcloaks, don't wanna be cucked by faggot elves.