Is Star Fox dead?

>assault
>not better than 64
not everyone has their head up their ass.
it would be perfect if it had course paths and less ground but nothing is perfect.

It's still getting fanart and porn all the time, so very slightly no. As long as Miyamoto fucks off away from the series, it has a small chance

Tutorial's dont make a game bad

Q-games made Command, and don't forget Platinum.

I want to see what Retro do, or maybe NLG if I was desperate

Assault also needed bots in multiplayer, would have been able to sink another 40 hours into it with them. Also I really found Panther boring compared to the old Star Wolf team

Nintendo is dead.

>butt hurt nu-gaymurr

only if they go back to their roots from star fox 64, like what everyone wants

oh wait

>ass blasted normalfag
why are these people always poping up in threads like these?

How was the new game? I havent been paying attention to vidya for a while.

Butthurt 64fags are even worse than Krystalfags tbqh.

Not fapping to furry bullshit = normalfag, duh.

Decent once you get used to the controls, there are a lot of nice references to 64, but the game is generally worse than it, although it is harder as well.

Zoness is shit now though, because of the damn Gyrowing, as is the Andross fight.

I can firmly state that I agree with this post. Star Fox games were never good anyway.

You all ask that everytime a new one comes out.

>being a vocal prude about it

was zero any fun?

It was bad

Alright, just wondering.

Also, anybody know anything about the Event Horizon mod? If there is one thing that will always tickle my fancy, its anything that has something to do with Freespace.

it was ok
not too bad of a game but somewhat disappointing
Cred Forums will tell you its bad because it didnt have krystal

Debatable.

Since Krystalfags are still butthurt despite 64fags being btfo by the quality of Star Fox: Zero.

Zero was great. I really don't get the hate... if you dislike the controls so much, you'll be able to play in dual analog on PC soon.

Outside of controls, there's a lot of good stuff missing.

Like the Brain and Train.

My girlfriend beat the game easilly and she had no problems with the controls. She picked them up almost instantly.

Cred Forums is so bad at videogames it hurts.

Metroid has a much better track record though. Starfox literally has one good game.

Why is Krystal so cute?

>you'll be able to play in dual analog on PC soon.
Is there a port or is a new emulator about to drop?

Assault is fine

>series literally peaked at its second installment before going to shit
sounds a lot like dark souls

Star Fox would be better if all the characters were girls

It would probably sell better, but I prefer a balance

4u

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>Finally get to play SFZ on hacked WiiU
>Seems pretty fucking cool
>Fox amiibo unlocks Retro Arwing and even changes Corneria music
>This is fucking great
>Realize Gyro controls can't be turned off completely
>Realize that's because the entire game was designed with them in mind
>Forced to use a control system no one fucking asked for or wanted

This fucking blows massive cock. They neutered whatever the game had going for it by forcing that shitty control scheme in the game.

I'm not sure if I even want to finish it.

Not him but I don't think people mind furry things it's the furfags themselves

I have only played the first level, but I found the control scheme pretty bareable when I turned off the motion controls. Are there actually parts that require you to use the aiming on the pad?

Landmaster/Gyrowing/Walker all require heavy use of the gyro controls. On top of that they're almost necessary to get by in All-Range Mode dogfights, you can still beat them but it's easy to tell you could have cleared it faster if you utilized the gyro.

>new game in the series literally came out earlier this year
>is Star Fox dead
If bad games made a series dead then the Metal Gear series would also be considered a dead series at the moment.
Star Fox isn't dead. Its not even close to dead. You want a dead series? Go look at F-Zero.
No

Nope. Star Fox Zero was great.

Fucking gamecube babbies. 64 is way better than Assault.

decent gameplay but very light on content even for an on-rails shooter. 64 has more levels and content even though Zero was in development for several years and even got delayed 6 months before release.

Why would it be dead when they just had a new game this year which is everything starfox has been designed around since the beginning: shallow, gimmick-focused and utterly mediocre

The controls are fine. Its the lack of content, shitty bosses, Gyrowing, and lack of on-rails levels that make it a 5/10.

>can be beaten in one hour
>music is drowned out by sound effects
>almost no plot
>useless missions briefings interupting gameplay that consist of nothing but "Its dangerous"
>very little actual banter during gameplay
Assault > 64

Grew up with the series since Star Fox on SNES, Assault is the better game than 64 in every aspect. The only issue was that the ratio of Arwing missions to ground missions was fucked, but even that is more bearable than having to use wagglan to fucking aim like Zero.

>>almost no plot
and this is a bad thing?
Holy shit, assault did more damage to the series than I thought. You guys are literally the Fedora's Maskfags of Star Fox.

>it's not about the things you do, it's about you existing

I like how that was the only thing you could defend if you can call it that.

A plot makes the game feel as if you're actually fighting for something. That you have a goal that you must accomplish beyond just "That's the bad guy, go stop him", thus giving a reason for your actions and raising the stakes of a battle. It also makes characters seem more real, so you care about what happens to them and can in general immerse yourself in the game more.
64 is very arcadey and doesn't have any of that. I'm not going to say Assault's plot is anything to write home about. Its very cheesy and it tried to throw a theme out of nowhere in at the very end. But the borg-like enemies that were the Aparoids seemed genuinely threatening, being able to take over and control the minds of the people they attack as well as control machinery. It felt as if the galaxy truly could be lost, and this was especially emphasized when numerous times a character "died", with the most dramatic one being Peppy's "death" towards the end. The over-the-top Japanese voice acting helped emphasize this especially and made everything really hype, like you were watching a mecha anime. It made missions in general more exciting and gave the player more desire to win and beat these bad guys. To get revenge for lost comrades and save the Lylat System.
youtu.be/6SFTf6spUwg?t=56s

If Sonic can have a fucking plot, a game with ace pilots waltzing around a solar system can have a plot.

I like how none of your stupid bitchy complaints had to do with gameplay

Assault has more variety to its gameplay

Ahh, it all makes sense now. The faggots who like Star Fox after 64 are the same ones who make Sonic OCs.

Who fucking cares? 64 executes its gameplay far better.

>get BTFO
>better jump fanbases

>get BTFO
Where?

I like Fara

Lol that isn't btfo
If you're really going to sit here and get assmad that your favorite furry characters aren't going through multistage character development with love triangles in a fucking STG game then just go read some fanfiction or something. Fucking retard.

that last game killed the fuck out of it

Except it doesn't. All-Range flight, course flight, Landmaster, On-Foot gameplay and controls are the best in the series.

Shit, in multiplayer you even get to play as wolf and get a Wolfen when you do so.

If you want to argue gameplay you've lost on every front.

>inb4 BUT WHERE'S THE BLUE-MARINE?!

It has like 3 on rails sections. Its worse than 64 by that fact alone

Clearly the solution to this problem is for the next Star Fox game to be made like Kid Icarus Uprising

And they play better than anything 64 has to offer, remember by your logic, execution is more important than anything else. Unless you've changed your stance.

>And they play better than anything 64 has to offer
lol

I take it you have nothing left.

Dear god, no. If I wanted to fuck my hands up I would just switch from Falcon and start playing Fox in Melee.

All you said was that they're better in Assault. I disagree. Not sure what else you want me to say.

>1 hour

lol what

sf64 maybe takes 30 minutes if you dont die, and its easy to not die

I thought adventure bringing in a more darker tone and atmosphere was good for the series and really made it stand out. Just the voice acting and dialogue was a bit cheesy.

The ground segments are really annoying and repetive and the flying segment arn't bad just a little lack luster compared to n64.

I enjoyed it 6 maybe 7/10

Well they are, whether you can see that or not isn't my problem. The fact is that Assault is the better game and you have no objective evidence proving otherwise other than NO ON RAILZ ACTION.

>Adventures
>dark tone and atmosphere
what

Star Fox Zero was the game of the year and sold amazing, so no, it's not dead.

It's not grimdark but the stakes are definetly more raised. Hell The pig, peppy, and the general all died because of the infection. Which isn't exactly something most fans are accustomed to for the sf universe.

>you have no objective evidence
>for your opinion on which game was more fun
b-b-but muh sick epic plot and muh furry waifu :(((

I never mentioned plot, strictly gameplay since that's what you wanted to focus on.

Whatever bullshit went on with you and that other user has no bearing on what I've been talking about.

That's Assault, not Adventures

>tfw i got them mixed up
user kill me already I don't even like adventures.

Do Panthers purr?

I hope they do.

>No hair on top
Sorry, not into bald chicks

All cats purr user.

I prefer Miyu though Fara is alright. Ears are just too big.

why the fuck not?
it has the best fox model and a retro rare ost

Adventures is my favorite along with 64. Sue me.

The base gameplay is my favorite of any Wii U title. Flying and shooting feels that good.

But the lack of a content is a punch in the balls. You can't even do Training Mode missions in co-op mode.

I really feel this could have been a definitive title for Wii U...and it is...but for all the wrong reasons.

It pleases me to know that no matter what people think of the other games, almost everyone can agree that Command was an abomination.

It's dead to me. Until I get a Starfox game that feels like 64 and has enough content to be worth $60 I won't bother with it.

I don't see how a comparable clone with a level editor hasn't popped up online.

Its really just I didn't want zelda clone
I wanted another starfox game.
I was rused user.

Many can share that feel my distant relation

Gotta thank this smug fucker right here

You say that, but I have a feeling you and a lot of people would be decrying a sequel to SF64 as a rehash, especially if it didn't live up to its predecessor. I'm glad Nintendo took a chance, and I'm bummed it didn't stick.

Adventures was okay

Na I just wanted something fresh but still felt like classic starfox.
Thats why I generally thought assault did an okay job just a few flaws.
I just don't want my gaymes to do a 180 in designs when it comes to the sequels.

Assault sucks dick.

Ill never understand people on this board who shit on Zero and say Assault was good. Fuck out of here

In a perfect world we could have both, but Nintendo had to shoot that down. I'd love a game where you ran around on foot as Krystal in some levels, and in other levels you played as Fox and shot the shit out of enemy fighters.

Assault had good multiplayer

holy shit are these kids serious?

i want to feel up Krystals blue ass

I liked Command

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all the replies to this one user shows how butthurt all you furfags are.

>more bad games than good
>genre dies off after the N64 gen
>Star fox 2 STILL hasn't been released
>Miyamoto damages Star Fox by forcing Rare to censor Dinosaur Planet into Star Fox
>furries start spreading their cancer
>Assaault further damages the series despite trying to break the norm
>Command becomes the, at the time of its release, Other M of star fox and kills the series for 10 years. No, the 3Ds remake doesn't count
>Smash slandering the IP by making every character Fox clones. And turning Star Fox into a meme series
>cucked out of Nintendo Land
>cucked by Sakurai into Kid Icarus uprising
>smash 4 has even less Star fox representation
>after 10 years, Nintendo finally makes another game to shut up nostalgiafags
>it turns out to be shit
>worse selling star fox to date, further adding fuel to the fire
>back into franchise limbo
Is there a series more JUST than starfox?

>lying on the internet

It's not nice to lie, user.

If I ever have children someday,
and I find out one of their friends is a furry, I will not let them get close to my kids anymore.

Like, I'm serious with that,
I am furryphobic, yup.

I don't mind if one of my own friends is a fucking furry because I know he won't get me into it, but don't get close to my family.

and stop ruining the reputation of video games like Sonic or Star Fox

What if your own kid winds up being a furry?
>caring about what kinds of people like video games

nice blog where do i subscribe

I don't know what to say. I never really heard anyone else's opinion on this game before I started browsing Cred Forums and I've never actually heard a breakdown on why it's bad.

Going off my own memory, I could probably come up with a few reasons myself. The story was played up way more in this game than others, despite being shitty in every route, and a lot of the battles were pretty repetitive.

I had a lot of fun playing through all the levels in different ways everytime. I also enjoyed how the earlier levels became more difficult on multiple playthroughs. It was enough to keep me into the game and entertained.

I won't defend the game to the death or anything, but I just don't understand the heat.

Nah I'm just memeing on you. You like what you like. I mean shit, I liked Doom 3

>Oh you're a furry? That's cool but uh, where are you gonna live now?
something like that

youtube.com/watch?v=JuZBgxTwtIE

My favorite part of the argument from the "Anti-Assault Zero Defense Force" is that they never give any explanation for why they think Assault sucks. Understandable, since the relatively low age of most of Cred Forums's current userbase means they missed the GameCube era.

Assault's multiplayer has always been the pinnacle of the series, because even if you strip out all on-foot options and just do the Arwing only maps it STILL has the best gameplay of any of the games. Even fucking Command can be commended on its one redeeming quality: online multiplayer. Zero has nothing except shitty co-op.

Many people have stated that they take issue with the ground segments.
I'm an Assault fan, and I defend it, but people have said before in these threads why they don't like Assault, and most of it has to do with the ground segments. Someone in this thread also said something about the lack of branching paths

Not that guy, but damn, you're right.

I think the only mission that had a cool on the ground segment was the Sargasso Space Zone, and everything else was a hassle. There were a shit ton of ground levels besides that and they were all kinda ass.

>youtube.com/watch?v=JuZBgxTwtIE
When does this video get funny
Am I supposed to hate that guy?

Everything has too much health (fuck you, wolf), the maps are too big for on foot, but too small for vehicles, locking weapons are the only thing viable because the controls for on foot are so bad. Those problems make some game types completely unplayable (snipers), and the whole multiplayer experience eventually boils down to jet packs and rockets because everything else just seems so imbalanced.

And just a personal gripe, but I hate the sound in this game. It seems like it's either way to quiet or screaming at you, no middle ground. The sound effect that plays when you get a kill is physically painful.

And the biggest problem is the whole damn thing is so slow that combined with clunky controls you feel like you're participating in the furry special olympics.

I've beaten the campaign probably a dozen times, the on rails and tank parts are fine, the foot parts all suck and drag on forever.

>posting the videos of a mass murderer
woah...the edge...is real...

The updated Katt was only good thing that came out of Command.

Not dead, but sexually abused by dirty old men.

I COULD JUST KISS YOU

>Command

I never said command was good.

Also forgot my pic.

>Command "Katt"

She alright. Weird tit padding though

As a rail-shooter, yes it's dead.

Is Panzer Dragoon the superior series?

Both games are good.

Nice meme though.

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must suck ODing on oranges

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pink Katt is better

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People often bitch about Krystal having blue fur, yet before Krystal even existed for Dinosaur Planet? Katt was around in her unrealistic pink fur. Pretty dumb complaint Krystal gets.

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thats because of the gay 64 fans

That's because Katt isn't a main member of the team, and doesn't have as much screentime as Krystal, so she doesn't get as much hate

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she's gonna make Krystal a lesbian

Nah, Krystal is only into human men user

why the fuck would you have a gun in the bathroom

>he doesn't have a gun in every room for self defense
Silly Europeans

Why would you NOT have a gun in the bathroom?

just in case you ate curry that night, never know what might pop out

I want more Panther, especially when it's Star Wolf shenanigans or when his closet status is triggered.

There is sadly not enough art of Command Katt.

Command did one thing right.

Delicious brown Bill

>user gets lambasted.
>Calls others butthurt.
Take your hurt feelings and go.

She's not a neutered Australian or European.

>n-no you are all b-b-b-butthurt
k

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how do we fix her

Give her a decent, curious personality and make her telepathy work by having her being able to call out enemy tactics if she has enemies off of her back and is able to focus

Would Star Fox as a series be better off if Nintendo decided to just straight up pander to furries?

I decided to get into playing 64 for the first time last week.
Last night my route had Fichina as the third mission (Star Wolf defeated) and went to Bolse for mission 6, where Star Wolf would normally appear but didn't. I noticed from Macbeth I could actually go to Area 6 to get hard path Venom.

So, my question is: If I get defeat Star Wolf on Fichina and then make it to hard Venom on the same playthrough, can I skip Venom's Star Wolf fight? That's the worst fucking part of the game for me and I can never get there with the team in good shape.

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RIP

>So, my question is: If I get defeat Star Wolf on Fichina and then make it to hard Venom on the same playthrough, can I skip Venom's Star Wolf fight? That's the worst fucking part of the game for me and I can never get there with the team in good shape.
No, they come back all patched up with robitics it's actually really awesome.

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It would have been worse on the N64 you know.

>wouldn't have had the nice fur rendering that SFA ended up having
>would have been in direct competition with both 3D Zeldas at the time and SFA ended up being a mediocre Zelda clone anyway

As long as Miyamoto is alive, yes. It will never be anything more than a toy by which he can play with hardware gimmicks.

Was that way in Command, was that way in WarioWare: Smooth Moves when it briefly blue-balled us, was that way annoyingly in SF643D, and was the whipping boy in SPADES in Star Fox Zero.

This is the best Krystal without looking horrible.
Best snout size.

No, you can't skip the Venom fight no matter what you do.

It's a hard fight, but I still love it.

>tfw managing to shoot down one of them during their intro

damn that's hot

You are not prepared.

I think this series is over. There hadn't been a new entry since command, and then a dream team of Platinum and Nintendo with Miyamoto overseeing the project came into being to revitalize it only for it to come out and receive a shit to average reception.

There won't be a successor to Starfox 64. They threw everything they had at it and still couldn't figure out what fans wanted out of the series.

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Guoh is a god. Makes me go gwhoa! Everytime!

it wouldn't have eben on en74 it wouldan ben onthre gamecube

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He is. I try and find excuses to us his artwork any chance I get.

I want to play command, but fuck those controls man. Using the touchscreen to aim? If that was a good idea, then the fucking DS CoDs would've been the best 3rd party games on the system.

Assault needed more levels but was enjoyable.
64 (for 3DS) was fun and enjoyable and I got more hours out of it than assault, but the multiplayer was shit and memorizing patterns for medals got tedious.

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Been dead for a while unless you like gimmicks and uncreative rehashes.

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it will be saved if it involves macro falco

Not willing to assume that, honestly.

and Nintendo needs to try again. Actually give Kystal her actually own game.

>This will never be a reality

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Nintendo just needs to stop forcing the gimmicks and just make them optional. I guarantee if Zero made motion controls optional, the game would've gotten better reception and sales. Also, this series needs to stop trying to recapture the 90s rail-shooter audience since that audience has died out. If star fox wants to survive in 2016 as a 60$ title, it can't be a rehash of a 20 year old game with little content and no online. And stop trying to retcon shit when half the games in this series are remakes and reimaginings of the same game. Just give Star Fox a new story and villain that doesn't take itself too seriously, and also give the cast more fleshed out personalities or backstories so people can relate to them and they can be more than just furry fanservice or generic tropes. It's really not that hard.

Would Krystal still be popular if she had her tail cut off?

no idea.

I wish Krystal made into Smash Bros though. she would have gotten another surge of fansmut.

SF 64 was good too.

They need to make the gameplay more challenging and add waifus. If they were to follow in Fire Emblem's footsetps they could revive this game stronger than ever. (not to say FE ramped up difficulty, but Starfox is a bit too easy)
They even did an anime episode to hype up the series. There's honestly not much else they can do other than improve the gameplay to attract people, especially with such a conflicted fanbase.

Yeah, you're all cancerous annoying cunts who nobody likes
Is that hard to understand

>Suggesting Nintendo waste time on a fucking Krystal game instead of making a better Star Fox title

Stop any time.

As someone who played assault multiplayer for years (I knew a guy who insisted on playing it, since he didn't have Timesplitters 2, or an Xbox to play Halo on).... This game is only enjoyable in multiplayer if you play only Arwings. Otherwise:
>On foot turns the game into "Race for the good weapons/vehicles/powerups", because the respawn rates for said equipment is slow
>Wolf, due to being the fastest character in the game, but also the one with the most life, is significantly stronger than any other character on foot, but is also the best at piloting air vehicles in the game. Combine that with his busted dodge move, and shit gets dumb, fast.
>Vehicles are busted as shit. It's like having two lifebars, except you can go wait for another one to spawn if you run away(ALL THE MAPS ARE FUCKING HUGE)
>You'd think this would make Slippy, the best tank user in the game, good... But it doesn't, because Wolf can get to tanks faster, then blow up the other before you get in.
>Dodge rolls should never ever give you invincibility frames in a shooting game. Especially ones that work like Wolf's
>Hitstun in a shooting game is fucking dumb, especially when that hitstun allows you to run over a guy multiple times before they can recover. IE: You get hit by a tank, you die.
>Tanks are too fast, and too easy to manuver to kill on foot enemies in one hit
>Tanks are also strong against Arwings in most situations, due to having better cover.
>The only counterpick for Tanks is powerup stacking or playing Peppy... Unless the guy in the Tank is Wolf, in which you're fucked.
>Tank fights suck, due to the control scheme. You literally just get right in each others face and shoot at each other, occasionally dodge rolling. Moving puts you at a disadvantage.
>Being able to stack invisibility, jetpack, and then hogging the barriers all game makes on-foot only pretty much unplayable. Seriously, Fuck Wolf.

STARFOX ASSAULT WEAPON TIER LIST!
>Stupid Comeback Mecahnic Tier
Demon Launcher
Demon Sniper
>God Tier
Landmaster
Jetpack
Homing Launcher
Invisibility
Barriers

>High Tier
Gold Rings
Peppy's Pistol
Gold Life packs
Arwing/Wolfen (Double Lazer)
Gatling Gun
Mines
Silver Rings

>Mid Tier
Arwing (Single Lazer)
Slippy's Pistol
Control Missiles
Machine Gun
White Life packs

>Low Tier
Sniper Rifle
Regular Pistol
Fireworks
Grenades

>Why the fuck do these exist Tier
Surface to Air Missiles

Nintendo can't make a proper Starfox game as they are now.

It's best that they send it to a third party with lots of creative freedoms.