Admittedly flawed but still clearly superior

good taste but
>playing as girl
everything okay?

>playing as girl
What's wrong with that?

Playing as a girl in Fallout has always had certain benefits.
New Vegas made it so that you can kill Benny easily and without drawing attention.
Hell, in Fallout 2 you could even whore yourself out for quick, easy caps.

Reinforced leather really is the best. Ranger coat looks cool in art but in game its meh. I also really like the salvaged NCR power armor

Kill Benny easily by seducing him I mean with the Black Widow perk.

speaking of this, did any of the mods that combined freeside and the outer towns ever get finished?

>I'm a courier, remember? Don't you want me to handle your package?

Still laugh at this every time it shows up

What if I'm mad that it feels even more buggy and unfinished than fallout 3? Sure the DLC and patches were god tier and helped that unfinished feel but the main story still feels half assed and like a lot of the factions stories were cut down drastically due to time constraints.
Is that a valid complaint you fucking fanboy?

Ranger armor looked SO fucking badass in all the game art but it looks so bulky in game, ruining its aesthetic even though its pretty good for defense.
I also felt that the NCR power armor was treated too casually in the game. They should have waited until you gotten past the point in the NCR quest where all the other faction quests break, the point of no return before revealing what they could have used as their trump card. Would have been so badass to have the NCR Generals be like "We KNOW you're with us now, so we're gonna be straight with you about our game plan." And then they bust out the armor for you.

Yeah its a totally valid complaint but rather than just saying things, it might be better if you explained WHY you feel that way about those aspects of the game.

What's the matter, not mature enough to handle roleplaying as a different gender?

pssh, I guess some people will be children forever...

Is it just me or was the Gauss Rifle really fucking broken?

I know each shot took five microfusion cells which were heavy and expensive as fuck, but still

It's an endgame weapon intended to break through power armor, of course it's going to feel OP as fuck.

The drawbacks were nowhere near enough to make it something you have to debate yourself over. Completely wrecks everything.

The gameplay is still exactly the same and after how ever many hour I put into F3, FNV just felt I'd already played it.

dont get me wrong i love NV but fallout 3 was my favorite maybe becuase i played it first i find that a persons first fallout game is their favorite.
I also felt more connected with fallout 3's character because i too have a close and deep relationship with my father and i feel like that part of the story really got to me.
as far as game play goes NV is way better but it is also newer so this should be expected.
NV was worth title in the brand. unlike fallout 4 which really fell flat and was only held afloat on game play alone.

This I can understand. Thought gun-play was much better with real iron-sights and the fact that skillchecks became absolute instead of dice-rolls you could fudge by just trying over and over even made it fun to fail by having funny lines for having low intelligence for example. Though I do understand that samey feeling you're describing.

>completely wrecks everything

max skills and perks it two shotted deathclaws, without critical strikes

throw in some psycho and slasher and F:NV turned into a point and click adventure

Fallout 2 was my third Fallout game and its my favorite, checkmate.

I played through 3 first as well but I think the pacing was weird, mostly because I did the main quest straight through. Within four hours of booting it up I already saw the LW's Father die and it didn't really resonate with me because it felt extremely cliche and like I never really knew him in gameplay terms. Most of the game was spent apart from him and despite the focus the game put on. I felt like they tried to tug at my heart strings when the only real reason I was supposed to be sad was because the game says he was our character's dad. He didn't have as much personality to grab onto as other characters did I feel. Just my opinion on that.
I agree, Fallout 4 took FO3's "THIS IS WHO YOU ARE AND WHY YOU CARE" ideas too far and none of the 5 characters felt any different from each other.
I don't want to blame the VA's for the main character, they did fine jobs. Just the writing and the limitation of dialogue responses compared to NV or even Fallout 3 that made roleplaying so much harder.

ok

>heh... guess whos waking up over here..

Yeah but you gotta remember, salvaged power armor sucked. Sure it looks cool but if I remember correctly it isn't even classified as power armor, only heavy. Its just some crappy shell of what was once a suit of power armor, and I kinda like that.

Yup.

I see where people are coming from. I also hate being told how to feel. and why i tried to kill my kid the first day i saw him in fallout 4.

Yeah, the NCR scientists took out the automated movement components iirc
But this is just me nit-picking really.

>tfw saving Prim from escaped convicts
>tfw I still get friendzoned by every woman in Prim
>tfw I see two raiders flipping me off from the window of a patrol station
>mfw I see this on the front door
I've had enough.

There's actually a couple of them, this is the one I use and its fucking great
makes entering the Strip for the first time MUCH better, especially at night
nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/38056/?

Meg you're right it is superior in almost every way, accept the sandbox, aka the actual meat if the game, I'd one of the worst most boring thing I've ever experienced in a videogame, and I'd prefer the immersion breaking ridiculously high bandit population over 90% of the game consisting of fighting geckos and shit on the same railroaded areas you've already been through 1000 times before. I played through it to the end once but I've never been able to do it again. It has less than no replay value despite the story being designed to give it just that

Who the hell is Meg?

My main complaint with NV is that all the quests progress pretty much the same way, there's not much emotional investment in the main quest, and the level design is very poor and makes it tedious/boring to explore and actively unfun to have firefights in (since theres no cover ANYWHERE)

Also, a total lack of urban areas in FUCKING [LAS VEGAS]. And what little city/town there is is hidden on the opposite side of NV, has fuck-all to do in it of note, and really none of the towns are at all interesting beyond chintzy pre-war tourist attractions like novac's stupid dinosaur thing.

Also, the entire game is brown. There is no fucking color in NV. It's an eyesore.
>bbbuh but the desert is brown!!
even the american west has shrubbery, and there's no reason that no buildings can be painted or have wallpapers other colors than "two-thousand year old fly paper" on the inside. It's even worse than Deus Ex's piss filter.

And even if you try to salvage it by saying "oh but its a talky game, use your words user :)" there's no depth to it other than having more than 1 CHA and taking the sexuality perks. Boom, every quest in the game utterly trivialized because you can offer to fondle someone with one line of text instead of doing any actual gameplay. Great game.

>railroaded
This too. The entire first act of the game is on rails, and the setpieces aren't even good. Try to go northwest, and there's fuckoff radscorps that spawn on top of you. Go north, and there's deathclaws, and even if you cheese them to get by, there's no point since nothing in NV is active yet or will make any sense if you assault The Tops on a whim.

Also, the entire second and third act are all the same quests. They're just pointers to sidequests. There is basically no "main quest" of the game.

Auto correct, meant meh

>You're upset that the game takes the time to introduse you to the major factions, before completely turning you loose on the world?
Yes, it's worse than unskippable tutorials since tutorials don't take four hours of walking through the desert.

I already know who the factions are. I played through the game once before. Let me fucking play the goddamn game already!

You've never played classic Fallout have you?

Hunting Shotgun is god but this steaming fucker is orgasmic

>They don't wear Suits

>You've never played classic Fallout have you?
Classic fallout had maps with actual variety, occasional splashes of color in characters and environments, and didn't trivialize the whole game by taking literally ONE perk (and a perk that does nothing but make you gay)

inb4 Attractive, it sucked and the same was accomplished by Porn Star anyway, which involved, y'know, some kind of gameplay to get at instead of just mashing A through all the dialogue and winning.

Valid criticism.
Yeah I'd have appreciated some kind of New Game Plus mode where you could skip the introduction act of the main quest. Possibly with some kind of alternate starting quest after you leave Goodsprings

But you can just sneak your way out to the north and be in Vegas in five minutes.

>You never knew that the base game has 187 locations compared to FO3's 163 base game?
Shacks with little in them hardly count as locations which padded that number
>Fallout 3 just had a much darker atmosphere
You think that Dark automatically means Good?
Literally no one thought this except you. If anything DC was much more interesting to explore than the Mojave.
>It didn't feel like Fallout without Bethesda making it
Again, no one except you thought this.
>It takes FOREVER to get any of the Power Armor or Ranger Armor
Never used those armors in either games cept the Anchorage armor and didn't care how "fast" it took to earn them.

I wasn't even talking about how you get railroaded at the beginning, I usually just skip to nv, I meant more about the design of the map in general, it's extremly claustrophobic so you find yourself having to take the same touts over and over and over, and that plus obsidians aditude of YOU ABSOLUTELY CANT HAVE WANDERING BANDITS OR DIFFERENT ENEMIES OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD CREATE INTERESTING ENCOUNTERS AT ALL, IT HAS TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME EVERY TIME YOU GO THROUGH THERE, AND YOU EILL GO THROUGH THERE A LOT BECAUSE THATS HOW THE SHITTY MAP IS DESIGNED. I honestly can't wrap my head around the hcore nv fags that act like it's even remotely acceptable

>literally the one weapon type in the entire game that can benefit from having a scope with a rangefinder and pips on it

>doesn't have one

>every other gun in the game though gets an obnoxious mil-dot sight, a crosshair someone smeared with vaseline, or crazy sci-fi bullshit like the Laser Rifle has

fuck NV and fuck its guns. there is no good gun in that game. not one. they're all trash and have severe problems that keep them from being as fun as they could be.

And then there's literally nothing there to do with the main plot unless you just metagame it and assassinate benny for literally no reason. You can't even talk to him because you don't have the "evidence" you get from the railroading.

They really should have had one plot line OR the other. either a revenge plot ended by capping (or seducing or allying with or w/e) Benny, OR the stupid dam shit. Not one leading into the other. That shit is dumb and railroadey as fuck.

Nah. 3 is mechanically inferior but has some decent story beats that work well, but NV feels like a much more fully realized game experience overall. The DLC serves the dual purpose of bringing new gameplay/design elements to the table as well as doing new things with the story, the world is more fully formed, and it's just damn good. 4 is mechanically superior to NV, but has a weaker story(not bad, just not as good), and there's too much emphasis on the town-building mechanics and too little on RPing a character. Unfortunately, I'm a huge sucker for the crafting and town-building, so my hour count for 4 is quick;y catching up to NV.

Sounds like the problems dragons dogma had, I wanted to love that game so badly but it suffered the same way but way worse

Pretty much this. To the northwest, it'll just spawn giant radscorps on you (and ruin goodsprings forever since they'll start to spawn in town there). Go north, and there's deathclaws, but then half of NV's quests aren't activated yet because you haven't done the benny stuff or been introduced to the necessary NCR and Legion characters yet. Go along the path the game wants, and there's literal fucking invisible walls around the ambush points they set up, and NPCs will book it to you across the entirety of the mojave just to talk to you to prattle on about a lottery that has literally no bearing on anything ever again.

I'll go with this.
The gun-play and movement just feels so much more fluid in Fallout 4. It's mostly everything else that suffered for it though.

Lever guns and revolvers are great in NV.

Wish it wasn't the case, but it is what it is. Stalking through downtown Boston traveling the Freedom Trail was actually really fantastic, and I wish there were more points in the game that eschewed the traditional progress arrow in favor of using landmarks and waypoint indicators in the world.

I actually wish that characters would give you directions and you just had to follow them as described. Roleplaying would be so much easier. One of the biggest issues for me is that a character will say I need to go to whatever location and I understand that but when roleplaying it doesn't make much sense that my character automatically knows where that is.
This is actually something I think Bethesda should take from one of their older games, Morrowind and bring into Fallout.

Yeah, but I get why they don't, mostly being budget for voicework and the simple fact that most open world games operate on the expectation of there being an arrow you go to to make shit happen.

My biggest problem with 4, aside from the really bad dialogue system obviously, is that although I felt like the base building and shit was catered directly for me because I always wanted it, sometimes I get bored of doing that kind of roleplaying that I do, but I haven't found any good quests to due to ocuppy that time when I go through those phases, and I had the main plot spoiled and feel little need to continue it

I find the opposite. F3 has an explicit plot you can't deviate much from, making is a pretty poor RPG, but it's a blast to play. The gunplay is fine, the environments are cool and fun to explore and shoot through and such, and there's just enough variety in the quests and their resolutions that there's some replay value.

the game is also a lot tighter, too. there's fewer areas and quests, but each one is individually more memorable or useful. A lot of the locations in NV are just random caves or supply caches or whatever that aren't worth going to more than once.

They are all hot garbage.
>357 revolver does piss damage
>cowboy repeater's sights are misaligned
>brush gun spawns approximately never and is chambered in a round that spawns
approximately never
>trail carbine spawns approximately never and is chambered in a round that spawns
>ranger sequoia has piss capacity and accuracy but is outpaced in damage by lots of other guns that handle just the same
>hunting revolver is clearly not even supposed to be in the game and is a leftover from F3 since the 44 mag revolver obsoletes it entirely and is almost identical to it (also is spawns approximately never)
>44 revolver spawns approximately never and is chambered in a round that spawns approximately never

>all the cowboy ammo also doesn't have decent Hand Loader variants unless you have GRA installed
>some of them don't have alternate hand loads at all

that's actually a budget issue related to iterative development. a quest may change during development, and it's expensive to keep getting VAs back in to repeat lines except saying to go left instead of right this time. It's easier for everyone involved to just go "I'll mark it on your map."

Well, here's where I tell you to go finish the main quest anyway because it unlocks more shit for settlement building, and pick up the Cabot House and Silver Shroud quests.

It would be nice to get the silver shroud shit out of my inventory, that weight is priceless on survival

>Muh Railroad
You can get straight to Novac from Goodsprings by cutting through Hidden Valley
>it's brown
No, it's orange like the old fallouts. And Fallout 3 was green
>there's no town! its just bunch of casinos with buildings around them
Just like Las Vegas. Everything is called down though
>le gameplay
The game plays very different from three because of all the shit they stole from mod creators
>the buildings are building colored!
There two hundred years old why would they still have paint on them. Most people have to reprint their house every decade much less every twenty decades.
>they talk alot me no understand...
The voice acting is fucking orgasmic. Watch Yesman's Securitron Mark 2 speech and you'll see what I mean. Every npc's voice has character and their motivations make sense. Unlike FO3 and skyrim where the same three people who voice everyone talk like they've never seen their script before.

I wonder if low reception of 4 will get Bethesda to stop being cheap faggots and actually invest to achieve standards that is equal to how high they hold their heads. Fallout 4 has pretty much 0 memorable moments, and was all hype and gimmicks.

Shit makes me mad too because you know they make bank off the series ever since 3. At least the call of duty games have high quality and have sweet eye candy campaigns.

Gtav had tons of detail and set a new bar for that genre too. Yet fallout got absolutely embarrassed by witcher 3 which probably doesn't even come close to fallout popularity and sales numbers.

>Shacks
And half of Fallout 3's locations were a subway tunnel where every five feet is loading screen.

You might be right about the guns. I honestly can't remember the last time I played vanilla NV past Goodsprings. Honestly though, outside of Lamplight, Rivet City, and the purifier, there weren't a lot of environments that really stuck with me. I might give the game another spin this year, see if I come back around to loving it again like I did when I first played it.

To be fair, YesMan's dialogue was always a bit too HERE'S THE PLOT for me. I like the game more than Fallout 3 but the very nature of his questline made it so that his exposition always feels too on the nose.

>You can get straight to Novac from Goodsprings by cutting through Hidden Valley
For what purpose? None. At all. The game becomes no more interesting. You still have to proceed along the main quest in exactly the same way for like four long hours of just walking forward.

>And Fallout 3 was green
more of a realistic cityscape blue-gray, instead of a pukey green-brown from the most obvious color correction and film grain filter this side of Deus Ex: The Fall

>las vegas is a barren wasteland with no buildings in it
now I know you're trolling. obsidishill pls go + stay go

Highly recommend it. The attached quest is rough on survival(hot tip: no shame in plugging Kate and her goons while she's running her mouth to them from stealth), but it yields one of the best cloth armor options in the game until you get ballistic weave and has a lot of charm in its writing.

I doubt it.
With all the rumors going around it seems like people will go to Bethesda for the popular but lowest common denominator games, but go to the Obsidian for the more RPG heavy and less accessible to casuals games.

Well see because even the super fallout fanboys I know were disappointed with 4.

Actually, user is right.
Vegas is SHOCKINGLY flat for a city that gets so hyped.

>To be fair, YesMan's dialogue was always a bit too HERE'S THE PLOT for me.
I hated that shit.

The revenge plot with benny is presented pretty organically. It's a little cliche'd but it's Obsidian, I'm not expecting much.

Then you get there and they literally just have a robot with a google images "I'm feeling lucky" search for "clip art smiley" for a face dump like 20 minutes of exposition on me about a land I fundamentally don't care about, and have already been cued to see as a foreign land full of strange things both in character and out.

The courier isn't from there, why should I give a shit about the local politics?

>h-heres a night shot of the strip and surrounding area, see how flat it is when viewed from an airplane?? ;_;

yeah las vegas has literally no buildings in it. it's just three casinos and then acre after acre of farmland.

I don't know if I would say I was a Fallout fanboy either but I would say I tend to enjoy Open World RPGs more than most other games and even though I played Fallout 3 I always felt something was missing.
Then I finished New Vegas and I realized it was the roleplaying. Then I went back and played 1 and two and got a better idea of what the series was initially and how much closer New Vegas was to that than 3.
Which is a shame because if they hadn't copied so many elements of the first two games and cut the roleplaying so much, Bethesda could really have made Fallout their own.

>Fallout 4
>fair amount of gun, even some are fun
>you still end up using the combat rifle

>gridding
Kill yourself America

yeah man F3 was really missing that trademark Fallout Humor

God, imagine if you could actually explore a post apocalyptic Vegas in this game, it would have been incredible. I'm still blue balled from this

>complains you can't take a shortcut without missing out on the plot
>is told how to cut travel time by 2/3 without missing out on the plot
"But for what purpose"
>Fallout was realistic city color, not puke green
I guess your realistic cities are puke colored
>Vegas is not like that!!?!!!!
Holy shit just Google an Aireal view of Las Vegas

>fair amount
if you like sawed offs and pipe weapons sure.

The Strip is the only place that has actual buildings. The rest is MAYBE 3-5 stories. Along with a Nuclear blast its not surprising that there isn't much left. Obsidian reps did later say their time constraints limited their designs for the strip but we can only really judge the game as it came out not as they wanted it to be so you're right,

It's only weakness was its incredibly slow firing rate, even slower than the AMR.

Besides that it blows the anti materiel rifle out of the fucking water in terms of damage.

Man, where are all the farms? I was promised farms.

Because the 360 had like 512MB of RAM

Fuck man, the strip would have been good enough for me the way it was, what I want to know is where the fuck the rest of the city is

>The Strip is the only place that has actual buildings.
Yeah man. Las Vegas has literally nothing in it.

With Meltdown it's objectively superior, and bulk MFCs were so cheap that you could use vigilant recycler to basically always have a good supply of trash ammo for trash mobs, and apex ammo for anyone you didnt like

NV's weapon balance is really bad

It was moreso the console limitations. People often forget how big freeside, westside, etc. are when you add them on. Also the NCR tore down like half of the city for the sharecropper farms and Mr.House used the materials to build his 30 giant walls

The new energy weapon setups are actually really fun. I love how modular the plasma platform in particular is. Slow fire high damage in short, mid, and long range packages, an automatic module for fucking shit up inside of 20 yards, a scattershot for plasma shotgun fun, and my personal favorite, the flamer module. As a pistol with maxed out gunslinger it's got absurd reach and terrifying damage output.

Guys. The real life Strip? Only about 15 meters long. And there's no other buildings in all of the Las Vegas metro area. It's all just wheat farms. It's what (((they))) don't want you to know...

There was some good stuff in Fallout 3 that I thoroughly enjoyed like Agatha's Song, I wish more quests had rewards like that one did beyond just caps or simply moving on to the next mission. Stroke of brilliance to have a new radio station be the reward.

>the game sucks
You're mad that the game isnt good?

>i just dont enjoy the game
You're mad that every game isnt made for you?

>Elliot rodgers killed people
You're mad that he got to murder people and kill himself?

The only thing FO3 has on New Vegas is the map design and the soundtrack. Those are commonly accepted facts. Everything else suffers in comparison.

I agree with you OP but they way you worded your post makes you seem really autistic.

I adore New Vegas, but the brown/yellow color filter is fucking disgusting. I can't play the game without getting a lighting/weather mod to change it. Fallout 3 does look a bit better by default.

Yeah Vegas was pretty silly considering even though it was supposedly saved from the bombs it's like one tenth the size of DC and still run down

Also the laser rifle, I used to ejaculate every time I died a laser rifle in fallout 3 because I had a sick sound system mainly, but the laser rifle in nv is a joke that feels like shit to use. I think they lost the sound file or something and just used the shitty laser pistol one

There is literally nothing in las vegas. Not one thing. Not one house, not one store, nothing. It's all just fields. After all, we actually know what they eat, don't we guys :)

*Fired

>hur dur vegas is home of really tall buildings
>posts pictures proving my point of how everything outside the Strip is nowhere near as tall as the buildings on the strip
>ignoring that the divergence point is after WWII so most of those buildings probably didn't even exist in their timeline

Get the EVE mod. It has better sound and visuals for energy weapons.

Wow, obsidian drones are insane
Did you actually came with some retarded opinions just for the sake of refuting them and feeling superiour?
All 3d fallout games are garbage, yes NV is 10% more rpg than fallout 3, doesn't change the fact that you compare 2 piles of shit

There was a whole thing about how some of the sounds used in Fallout 3 weren't given to Obsidian even though they let them use the engine, base game mechanics and some textures for NV. So they probably had to rerecord and get something as close as they could. That being said I know what you mean.

You're right. Las Vegas is literally a fucking desert and there are only literally three (3) blocks of urbanized area to it. The strip itself is only 12 feet long, and there is literally nothing outside of the strip.

Why do all these mods that fix the puke orange taint have also retarded "realistic" nights. Like all of them.
I want to remove the taint, but the nights are even more annoying with the mods.

If the strip is so shitty because of ~engine limitations~ then why could the DC mall run fine in F3? It's like three times the size of the strip and has way more going on in it. You can have a roaring gun battle in the DC mall without a hitch, but you piss off a robot in The Strip and your console will crash or your computer will bluescreen.

Holy shit this looks just like Las Venturas in San Andreas

Didn't you know? At night, the world is pitch black. The moon doesn't give off light, you know.

I rarely ever travel at night in these games, so it doesn't bother me. And I have mods for night vision gear, anyway.

There is N O T H I N G in las vegas other than wheat fields. Anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't know what they eat.

Consoles. There was a gameplay demonstration at E3 or something, and the Strip was one big map. They changed it last minuted for consoles.

What I don't like about the game is that it gives you all these cool ways to fight and kill people. but encourages you to avoid fights and talk it out instead.

>he's never left the city
The world IS pitch black outside of light polluted towns, you fucking cucks. Educate yourselves.

It doesn't "encourage" you to do anything. it gives you options. If you want to go in guns blazing, that's a perfectly legitimate way to play the game.

pls refer to What I don't like is that it encourages you to talk it out instead, but offers literally zero depth to conversing with people. Reputation does nothing but determine whether they automatically aggro on you, and basically every conversation just goes

>Hey courier, I hear you get stuff done. I have some stuff that needs doing involving some people that need--
>[Confirmed Bachelor] I'll show you a thing or two about stuffing people, baby.
>Wow! That thing I needed done is done now! Here's 50 caps and a single round of .223 AP.

Bethesda gave Obsidian roughly a year and a half to finish the game while FO3 took about 4 years so a lot of the polish that Bethesda was able to do in those extra two years wasn't really an option for Obsidian. Two of those years for Bethesda were while they were also making Oblivion but after that they focused completely on FO3. So it just got much more development and testing.

>Bethesda gave Obsidian roughly a year and a half to finish the game
Titanfall was made in 12 months and is a game that doesn't regularly hard crash consoles. It was also made on Source, which I hear is a worse engine than GameBryo.

You're extremely overexaggerating the confirmed bachelor perks power, it's hardly used

Yeah but if you do that then it's easier to miss out on sidequests. I like to do everything and if you kill a bunch of people then factions will get pissed off at you.

>it took them a year and a half to steal a bunch of mods from Nexus, and they still couldn't make it work as stably as modded FO3 does

wew lad

It's almost like actions have consequences.

Titanfall's a goddamn multiplayer shooter with way less content than an rpg.

>Sorry man I'm a doctor with the neo-MSF, I can't go galavanting with you
>[INT 1] man I knew this boy brady boy in the boonie dock land he played to love the radio
>What
>[Confirmed Bachelor] DO U WAND SUM FUCC? ?? ????
>you have convinced me. fuck the msf. i want to travel the world with you, forever

wew lad

LR annoyed me at how Ulysses kept insisting I was NCR's bitch when I was actually House's lapdog. Stuck with the NCR duster at the end as well (which I didn't wear anyway because the dusters look hideous on females).

It also has environments an order of magnitude larger than said RPG, with more going on than said RPG, without fucking HARD LOCKING.

We're talking about system performance here, TItanfall definitely has more going on than FO:NV, and Titanfall manages to run at 60fps on an XBox 360.

And still,
>If the strip is so shitty because of ~engine limitations~ then why could the DC mall run fine in F3? It's like three times the size of the strip and has way more going on in it. You can have a roaring gun battle in the DC mall without a hitch, but you piss off a robot in The Strip and your console will crash or your computer will bluescreen.

I know that's the point of the game you goofball. Just saying I personally didn't like it. I like to do everything in games story-wise, but it gets boring when I can't fight or kill stuff (unless the game doesn't have any fighting or killing)

Fair enough but even Titanfall had been in pre-production since 2011.
Yeah, New Vegas was only really playable for me because of the unofficial patches.The Gamebyro engine is shit enough when you use it constantly but Obsidian had never used it before

>I-its all a conspiracy from (((BETHE$$$DA)))!!! t-they didnt want to get shown up in a literal sequel released half a decade later so they sabotaged New Vegas!!!

Obsidian has a pretty bad track record with making stable games, I don't see why people so fervently defend NV's actual objective software issues

like, NV literally becomes unplayable if you have too many save files. not even a certain volume of them, just some arbitrary number. how can you defend that?

I wish I had a reaction image for this but I'm on my phone and it's probably bait anyway

to be fair, it's not really a merit to be better than fallout 3 and 4.

>You were surprised that a fucking Courier delivered a package? Really?
People were surprised you go after your dad when he goes missing in FO3...

>Fair enough but even Titanfall had been in pre-production since 2011.
Titanfall uses all original content as well, while NV was made after the release of a publically available and heavily documented SDK, and uses most of the same assets as FO3.

They had more time to just write a mod (which was really just a bunch of stolen shit from various F3 mods, like ironsights and the companion wheel) and do level design than another team had to make an entire new game with fairly new movement systems and in general tons of assets and features not already present in the engine they picked.

Maybe obsidian is just bad at making games???

you still haven't answered why the DC mall works but the strip can't.

>People were surprised you go after your dad when he goes missing in FO3...
this, it's the most common complaint with the story right behind "Why is the BoS acting nice?????" and "what do they eat?????"

NMA shitters were genuinely shocked that "find daddy" was a plot point in a video game

i really don't get how fo3 had a darker atmosphere. i always felt like i was in somesort of cottoncandy land when i played fo3

Bethesda made Obsidian use the Gamebryo. They basically ordered them to make gold out of shit.

To be honest, I don't really have one. Bad at optimizing games for sure.

Bethesda also ruined KOTOR II.

>why could the DC mall run fine in F3? It's like three times the size of the strip and has way more going on in it
From what I remember, there's two or three buildings you can go in and a big empty pit in the middle with super mutants. The Strip has dozens of buildings, NPCs walking around everywhere, and scripted events.

have fun doing that after primm, those guys are like level 30 or so.

I wouldn't say surprised. They at least let you decide why you wanted to find your Father in the conversation with Moriarty. "PAPA? WHERE'S MY PAPA?", "I WANNA KICK HIS ASS FOR ABANDONING ME!" and "I just want answers" were all fine. I just never felt that attached to him because I didn't find his personality very grasping and you spend maybe 20 minutes with him in the vault and then maybe an hour total with him before he dies.

Some people felt that the grey and dark green tones the lower screen tones and ruined city + poorly lit interiors make the atmosphere darker. I don't have a problem with dark atmosphere but it just never meant inherently better to me.

>Fallout NV
>railroaded

It's literally an open world where right from the start you can go anywhere in the game save for a select few quest areas.

If you want to start the game and make a beeline straight for the strip you can do that. There's a stealth boy right there in goodsprings that's basically a free ticket past all of the deathclaws that would get in your way.

Riot Armor can be bought from the Comissary. Costs a ton of caps, though.

I actually enjoyed KOTOR II
Not as much as the first one but still
Did you not like it? I'd be interested in why.

At the very least, it's an engaging mystery, and there's a reason to leave the vault -- even if you don't care about dad, they're still on a manhunt for you, and forcing you out as well. It's worth it to track him down for ~answers~ at the very least, but even if you STILL don't care, there's no real time pressure to do it and can freely faff about with other capitol wasteland stuff to your heart's content. No one in Arefu had any words about your dad, and re-enacting Blade Runner in Rivet City is a welcome distraction when you get there.

You can do every sidequest in the game without ever hearing about your dad ever again if you really don't give a shit about him, and that's fine.

NV makes their stupid BEARBULLBEARBULLBEARBULL horseshit the center of fucking everything and it just gets annoying. You don't have that same option of just going and doing something else in NV like you did in F3. Every goddamn quest in the game ties into it somehow, and it just starts to be a really forced plot point. And a stupid one too, since the situation is just so ridiculous. How is a modern force with air and artillery support not able to take a dam from a bunch of machete-wielding savages?

So? I don't give a shit about realism.
I want to see my fucking game without using just one type of gear non-stop.

I didn't really give a shit about it but it was just as much "backstory" as FNV gave you.

Why would it not be treated casually? It's not a secret or something.

>it blows the anti materiel rifle out of the fucking water
Dat explosive ammo, though. Also, you don't need to reload AMR after each shot.

>engaging mystery
Is this post a joke? Are you a joke? I don't either really matters because what I want to point out is that the idea that it's an engaging mystery is a joke. What's so engaging about hutning for a character you don't care about? You dad isn't interesting, he doesn't bring any thing unique to the table. he's just a shitty character in a sea of a shitty game. I think if you want to find anything intersting in FO3 it would be how awful the characterization of pre-made factions are. It's really an embarrassing game, like holy shit user, when you think FO3 has a "deep" or "engaging" anything you know you're a casul

Yeah, that's all fair criticism. But its one of those things where player freedom comes at the cost of narrative focus. I can fuck off the main quest in Fallout 3 without really thinking about it but that means it doesn't have any urgency and no real tension, especially when the BOS and Liberty Prime kill everything before you get a chance in the walk to the Jefferson memorial.
On the other hand, New Vegas makes it so that it is hard to roleplay the first act of the main quest without metagaming and your only motivations for finding Benny are "REVENGE" or "I just want answers"(excluding the Black Widows Perk's "LET'S FUCK IM PSYCHOTIC AND TRYING TO KILL ME MAKES ME WANT TO FUCK YOU" addition). After that it finally turns you loose.
Oh well, hopefully there's a better balance somehow that we'll get eventually

>Dat explosive ammo, though
>paying real-life money for in-game ammo

.50 EX is from GRA which is 10 or 15 bucks iirc

oh it was about the color not about the general tone. gotcha

>I don't either really matters because what I want to point out is that the idea that it's an engaging mystery is a joke.
Okay, but you can freely go do other things in F3. There's lots of other side quests, and even Moira's survival guide quest is long enough and takes you to enough hard areas that you could consider it a "secondary" main quest if you want.

I think NV's BEARBULLBEARBULLBEARBULL nonsense is a fucking joke, but you literally can't get away from it in ANY quest in the entire game. NV has a retarded plot that can't be ignored. F3 also has a retarded plot, but you can ignore it and continue having fun. In NV, you can't.

And FWIW the first time I played it, I did wonder what was going on and wanted to explore it. Not so much with the roman cosplayers and tax men drama.

The first KOTOR game was made by Bioware, I wasn't serious.

But I tried playing KOTOR II twice and dropped it both times, I just lose interest midway for some reason. Finished KOTOR I without a problem.

How does it cycle?

>there's two or three buildings you can go in and a big empty pit in the middle
literally the strip

there's two enterable doors per sectioned area you can enter and that's it. they couldn't even have ~Mr. Holdout~ in a booth or something because ~engine limitations~, where the DC mall loads seamlessly and can actually have firefights in it without crashing the game.

>GRA which is 10 or 15 bucks iirc
GRA was like 5 bucks, and nowadays NV Ultimate is on every other sale, and that includes all DLCs.

And explosive ammo is fun as fuck, I don't really get too excited for oversized sniper rifles normally, but the ones that shoot explosions... I LIKE IT!

>you can freely go do other things in F3
Yeah, you can do that in FNV, what's you poitn? I don't think bitching abotu a game killing you in areas obviously not designed for you to be there at that moment is worthy crtiicsm after all, it's there for a reason right? I dunno, maybe I've had too much vodka but I smell a lot of bias from you, I don't think you ave a lot of gorund to stand on with you whoel burbulburbull as if that means anything, which is doesn't since that'so nly in LR.

To be honest, consoles could have handled it if the engine Obsidian had to use wasn't absolute ass.

>he actually complaints that New Vegas quests relate to main plot and aren't just lolsorandom nonsense
hahaha

>Unlike FO3 and skyrim where the same three people who voice everyone

There's certainly plenty of actors for main characters but don't pretend Yuri Lowenthal doesn't voice almost every background npc in the game

>paying to win
>in a fallout game

>Yeah, you can do that in FNV,
No you can't. Name even one area that isn't embroiled in stupid roman cosplayer vs MUHREEN garbage.

Hi!

What does rome has to do with anything? it's ain a different contintent, space marines are cool fuck you.

Yeah man because F1 and F2 were 100% about Le NCR :^) and weren't shit like going off to become a porn star or joining the BoS for shits n' giggles

you can complete F1 in like five minutes, the reason they give you so long is that there's actual other content in the game. Unlike NV, where everything comes down to their autistic fanfiction.

>F1
>actual content
It's short as fuck, it's a proof of concept basically.

2 is full of stupid random garbage, yes.

>It was also made on Source, which I hear is a worse engine than GameBryo
If this bait then I'm sorry for taking it. GameBryo is the worst, THE WORST, Triple A video game engine of the modern era, bar none. Source Engine is one of the best, if not the best, video game engines of all time.

I really enjoyed that the conflict over who would take over the Mojave was so ever present. Then again I enjoy politics in general, so fuck me I'm one of THOSE people. I can see where you're coming from. Personal taste aside it would be nice to be able to ignore quests I hate even if its the main one so I get it.

i liked kotor 1 more as well
>inb4 some fag says kotor 2 is better because it's so "deep" without any proof

>I do not understand how automatic weapons cycle
How's that slam-bang working out for you, sonny?

>Source
>one of the best
>tiny maps
>hl2.exe has stopped working

KOTOR1 is pretty shallow though, I can see the appeal if you're a baby who only watched peisode 4 and said to themselves, "Man, I don't want ot go depper into the pool, I'm happy with the shallow kiddy pool, I may be 30 but it's whatever." KOTOR 2 takes a hard look at SW and there's a lot of enjoyment ot come of that, but you have ot have learned to swim first.

>he literally thinks guns fire straight off of the magazine
Are you stupid?
What do you think that handle on the top is? What do you think the trigger engages?

This. If you don't wear a suit, you're a diamond dozen merc.

It's fucking Star Wars, there's no point in deconstructing it.

Obsidian came across as one of those pseudo-intellectual twats that thinks everyone is thoroughly impressed when they inform them that the world of The Smurfs is actually a horrible dictatorship where Pappa Smurf rules with an iron fist and intellectual curiosity is strongly punished with ostracism.

Everyone knows that joke already, nobody cares, you are just being obnoxious.

OP's pic made me think of Killzone for some reason.

>Opens door
>Gets on the floor
>Everybody does the dinosaur
Just kidding, no one ever buys the fucking dinosaurs.

>this was made in under a year on an engine explicitly not made for open environments, fast movement, or vehicles
>featuring 100% custom assets and none handed to them by Valve
youtube.com/watch?v=WI26X5fV09g

>this was made in a year and a half on an engine explicitly made for open environments, the exact sort of movements the game demanded, and does not feature any new gameplay
>using mostly assets ripped from the previous game in the series
youtube.com/watch?v=X9If9PeqCJc

gg obsidian

>also that charging an AR by yanking the forward assist lmao

better than

>come with me dog
>im neutral, here's money
>im evil, here's money
>im evil, here's money
>i'm good, come with me
>im good, come with me

also arcade and the knight guy at the mojave outpost are pretty much the only people it's used for

>there's no point in deconstructing it.
Yeah I'm not reading past that point, anywone who thinks you can't deconstruct something is fucking retaded, ergo you're fucking retarded. I think if you stepped back form whatever bias you've got and thought to yourself, what exactly you jsut typed, you'd be fucked. You make me laugh honestly.

>the game world and quest are cohesive and connected, this is bullshit and boring, where is my theme park

Yeah, dude, F3 was epic. You have little children cave next to super mutant base. You even have epic vampires and super heroes.

How do you put a round into the chamber from the magazine? How does it cycle?

I'm gonna be staring at my characters ass the entire time. I'd rather stare at a female booty than some dude.

never said kotor 1 wasn't shallow, but pretending kotor 2 is deep is retarded as fuck.

yeah man give me my roman legionaries xD dude so epic thesis antithesis hes soooo cool and dreamy antihero just like me Lol :) :) :)

>they don't think about the media they consume
We all know one of these types right?

>never said kotor 1 wasn't shallow,
kek then fuck off you don't know what you're talking abotu

>using the third person mode in in any gamebryo game

the super hero idiots were some of the most fun I had from Fallout 3. stupid but fun.

That shit is one of the reasons the prequels are garbage.
OT: The Jedi were the space knights in shining armor who defended the galaxy from evil.
PT: The Jedi were actually an apathetic and corrupt government agency who just let things happen around them and are too oblivious to notice what's really going on

You're probably some of those fanboys who think the Empire wasn't so bad and the Rebels were just a terrorist organization.
.

>Fallout 3 just had a much darker atmosphere
>You think that Dark automatically means Good?
I honestly did really like the dark atmosphere, but everything else was so fucked that it ruined it every goddamn time.
Like, theres this one really clever asshole making shit nice and creepy and post apocolyptic, then I see some big green retard who sounds like he frequents Cred Forums's raff u ruse threads to post bananas stuck trying to shoot me behind a knee high fence.
Then my dad comes out from behind wall, fucks me in the ass while screaming "THE WATER SON, WE NEED TO HHHNNG PURIFY THE WATER, KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT"

Then I tell my ghoul friend to do it and he calls me a shit-lord and that I should check my privelage, and the game calls me a pussy for not doing it.

I didn't say you can't, you idiot, I said there's no point.

It's a deliberate light fantasy romp, there's nothing to be gained from deconstruction but letting the world know you are an obnoxious pseudo-intellectual that hates fun.

Literally any location that isn't directly tied to either faction, aka 80% of them

NPCs telling you about the NCR and Legion when you deliberately ask them "what can you tell me about NCR,Legion?" isn't BEARBULLBEARBULL shit shoved in your face, as you call it.

I bet you're one of those people who complain about gays in the game when you take the gay perk

How does it cycle with no gas tube or charging handle?

How do you shoulder it when the stock adjustment lever is permanently fixed to be open?

Why does it only hold 20 rounds when it's depicted with a 30 round magazine?

I hate first person viewpoints. Just had to get used to the janky animations in FO3/NV. Almost always go into first person for fighting though due to the crosshair aiming being more cooperative in that view.

>there's no point.
desu senpai I think you're a faggot who isn't able to think about things because you have a carrot hsoved up your asshole. If anything you're just a normalfag unable to cope with the idea of thinking about things that aren't realted to 401ks or sucking off your boss, the fact you're so desperately trying to deligitimize deconstruction a popular series is sad. You embarrass the human race.
>fanboys
what, stop posting.

>cosplaying nerds in F3 are just cosplaying nerds and the townsfolk just want them to fucking go away

>cosplaying nerds in NV are literally a continental superpower

>obsidian shills and NMA shitters complain about the superhero quest in F3 but not about the Legion being the core of the plot in NV

Nah, Empire was shit but the Rebels were much better but still retarded for not considering the power vacuum that would occur after the fall of the Empire.
>LOL WE WON DEMOCRACY FOREVER

What's the problem? The Legion make perfect sense for society born in the harsh post-apocalyptic world.
After all the NCR was born in California, and that place was hit the least out of the apocalypse.
In the South where the Legion is, everything was just tribals and raiders, the Legion is the only type of civilization you can have for the time being.

>still can't name one
wow man

>I bet you're one of those people who complain about gays in the game when you take the gay perk
I personally didn't care (though I found it strange how open they are with a puritanical superpower that executes gays sitting right next door) but beatrix the zombie domme and that one ex-legion gay prostitute and basically all of your human companions don't need you to take the perks to be gay at you

Well when you get a large enough concentration of cosplaying nerds together and they have swords and hockey clubs they stop being just a nuisance and turn into something more threatening.

I'm fine with both examples honestly. Would have been helped if in NV some NPCs called the Legion out for being cosplaying fags, can't remember if that ever happened off the top of my head.

>New Vegas
>Too much ammo, too many caps, even on the highest difficulty and hardcore
>Can't zoom out
>Lockpicking way too easy
>Perks only every two levels
>Broken quests, characters don't move or you get locked in places until you restart your game
>Small, empty strip
>Half of map locations are mines and caves with one item or wrecked caravans
>Invisible walls everywhere, on climb able looking hills, on top of rocks, ridges, and probably 30 times as many as Fallout 3
>No drawbacks from addiction since doctors can clear it up
>Weapons don't fire sometimes when the enemy us attacking, but it's not an rpg element
>Only one direction to go after the start of the game
>You can steal literally everything and never have bad karma
>Weapons feel unsatisfying, somehow more so than 3
>Shotguns are useless
>World artstyle is all over the place, Green and grey make a better post apocalyptic setting than bright orange
>Old country music is almost universally less entertaining than Big Band and Jazz
>Mr New Vegas sounds like an aged queen
>Character creator hasn't improved
>Strip is empty
>Vats is useless and broken, it's almost not even worth using
>Vats will freeze you while the enemy attacks you several times until you die on a frequent basis
>Vats will, with 95% accuracy, miss dozens in a row occasionally
>Jumping is gimped, can no longer bunny hop or climb hills properly
>A huge amount of quests are just talking to one person, and then talking to another, then returning for your reward
>No interesting towns like Megaton, Rivet City, Andale, or The Vampire lair
>People fellate this game because you can kill Ceaser OR you can be friends with the NCR OR take it over for yourself

It's a lower quality expansion pack. It adds new content and features, but isn't polished. It's pretty decent considering it had half the production time as Fallout 3, but it's not as good as Fallout 3.

>The Legion make perfect sense for society born in the harsh post-apocalyptic world.
So you're okay with an entire superpower cosplaying as romans, but two nerds in a carpark wearing costumes based on pre-war comic book heroes is just too much for you to bear?

Do you think The Kings are a super cool faction too? They base their entire culture in a major metro area around old Elvis movies (that weren't even good, he was a terrible actor) But hey, someone dresses up as ant man to beat his wife, and that's just too much, I guess.

Is this some ebin meme where people nitpick the inaccuracies in NV and compare it to the abomination that was the 3 shotgun?

It's apparent you are an pseudo-intellectual prick yourself, it's no wonder you think KOTOR2 is genius and not just a pathetic and thoroughly dull attempt at shooting fish in a barrel.

You actually have to dig into Arcade's dialog trees for him to make the offend comment that he prefers men to women. Veronica is more open about it, but it still hardly ever comes up unless under certain circumstances.

Neither one has it as their core character personality and in Arcade's case you can do his entire story without the issue ever coming up at all.

Completely the fault of consoles. Even with Freeside/The Strip cut up, about half of the programmed NPCs are disabled because lag.

>It's a lower quality expansion pack
kek, morel ike i'ts a game that actually harkens back to what classic fallouts were like rather than wanking off to "obsidian with guns", really the fact you posted this is embarrassing.
>KOTOR2 is genius
I didn't say that faggot, I said it was deeper than KOTOR1 which it is, I think the gameplay is an improvemtn, the robes are an improvemen,t the characters , story and worlds are an improvement, if anything you jsut embarrass yourself by trying to outwit me. I'd stop if I were you, go jakc off to your Episode VII blu-ray disk

>Well when ... they stop being just a nuisance and turn into something more threatening.
>Would have been helped if in NV some NPCs called the Legion out for being cosplaying fags,

But the super hero quest in F3 is literally this.

They're ineffectual little shits and everyone wants them to leave. The in-universe reaction to them is "this is fucking retarded, please make these retards go and stay go because this is not the time or place for dress-up, and the ant nerd's ants are pooping everywhere and the robot guy's robots incinerated my mail box last week"

>Not playing a gril

>basically all of your human companions

arcade and veronica are not basically all of anything

this shitposting is too intense for me

>the abomination that was the 3 shotgun?
It's the interracial mutt spawn of threesome between a, PPSH, a Browning-Auto 5, and an Amsel Striker in a threeway where no one knows who came first.

Meanwhile, the ARs in NV are missing entire parts that they need to function.

Yeah and from what I remember that stuff was all pretty good and on the level, but I think NV's deal could have benefited from taking some pointers.

And I do think a vast, sprawling political power is quite a bigger deal than two guys in flamboyant costumes in a parking lot.

>that hair

arcade, veronica, cass out of

uh

boone, I guess? so that's 3/4 of the smoothskinned humans. or 3/5 of them alltogether if you count the dickless zombie (but actually only useful, funny, and interesting companion) Raul.

The majority of your actual person companions in FONV are LGBT. The other two available are a robot made from a football helmet, and a neutered dog.

The perks let YOU initiate gay dialog. You never even learn Arcade is gay without the appropriate perk and Veronica's lesbianism is only relevant for Chrstine.

>i'ts a game that actually harkens back to what classic fallouts were like

It's nowhere near as enjoyable as the classic Fallouts were though. So I'll just stick to the originals and Fallout 3.

I don't care about the super hero shit quest personally, just the world in F3 is disconnected, every side character is lol so randum and badly written. Just a giant boring theme park.
Even the Kings in F:NV need to interact with the NCR and Mr House, they are not just some epic Elvis faction removed from the rest of the world.

>if anything you jsut embarrass yourself by trying to outwit me

Thank you for proving my point.

>an engine explicitly made for open environments

absolutely not

I don't know how much fuckery and duct tape Bethesda used to get their engine how it is but Gamebryo is not made for that shit at all

>And I do think a vast, sprawling political power
How did they become a vast, sprawling political power when they're a bunch of cosplayers wielding machetes made out of lawnmower blades?

Why are they magically so much less stupid a plot point than pretty much anything that happens in FO3?

Fucking NMA memers and obsidian shills, the lot of you

>Bethesda made Obsidian use the Gamebryo.
Honestly, this. Bethesda can hardly make a working game with that engine, then they hand it off to a group thats never worked with it and go "Make a full game out of this while you figure out that mess"

>Cass and Boone
>LGBQT

Literally what? Also, if this is such a big deal to you, why not complain about every Fallout 4 companion being bisexual?

>It's nowhere near as enjoyable as the classic Fallouts were though
Yeah no shit nigger, there's not a lot you can do with the shitty way FO3 does things, they worked within their confined spaces, the fact you think FO3 is better at all is embarrssing, I can't believe you actually posted that feeling proud of yourself, think of your family next time.
>proving my point.
Didn't prove your point worth shit dumbass, if anything you're just trying to find a reason behind whatever it is you posted, who cares what that was kek

>You never even learn Arcade is gay
he says it during the last leg of his quest while talking about his mommy issues

>Gamebryo is not made for that shit at all
>Gamebryo
>the engine made for medieval-set RPG games
>not meant for open environments

you're stupid as hell.

>Also, if this is such a big deal to you,

I already said it's not, just that you're a fucking liar for >IMPLYING that it's not the truth.

>why not complain about every Fallout 4 companion being bisexual?
Because I didn't play FO4 because FO is a shitty series for shitty people.

>F3 shotgun

The Legion is a slave army lead by an educated autocrat trying to use history as a template for a society that can survive the waste land. Appropriating culture for political reasons is very common. The limitations on technology make a coup impossible and simplify logistics. The legion is large and has to be effective with or without ammo. The Ant-agonizer was traumatized at a young age and the robot guy is just a nerd. The Legion's existence makes sense in context and the comic book nerds don't. That's the difference.

>Would have been helped if in NV some NPCs called the Legion out for being cosplaying fags
That only really works as a criticism assuming most people know what the Roman Empire was or how it was structured. Doesn't seem like they do and even the Legion itself only does what Caesar tells them to do. They even pronounce it the way he tells them to, different from how everyone in the Mojave or NCR pronounces it because of how it is spelled. So it does make sense that no one makes the connection besides Arcade, in game anyway.

>World artstyle is all over the place, Green and grey make a better post apocalyptic setting than bright orange
Fallout isn't post apocalyptic; it's post post apocalyptic.

>Cass is gay cause she doesn't want to fuck me

How can they call them out, if they don't know that Rome existed? For people of the Wasteland, Rome is something completely new.
And Rome had real civilization, it's not just fanfiction, you know?
And Caesar is telling you this shit himself, he's not even trying to hide it. For him, the NCR is closer to Roman civilization at the later stages compared to his Khan army.

yeah man who could ever envision a drum-fed combat shotgun

>The Legion's existence makes sense in context
in literally what way? Why are cosplayers throwing down with marines? How does that make sense?

> and the comic book nerds don't.
They address that in-universe. It's why the townsfolk don't like them. They're stupid, and they call it out. The "easy option" for the quest is to just murder them both, and the townsfolk are happy for it (even if they think it's a bit heavy handed a punishment for what are essentially just overzealous nerds)

Boy howdy, you must have hated the original fallout areas for having the mutants and brotherhood and enclave mentioned in them.

>Yeah no shit nigger, there's not a lot you can do with the shitty way FO3 does things

How did it manage to fuck things up worse then?

>the fact you think FO3 is better at all is embarrssing,

The fact that you've said embarrassing twice in two posts and actually blush when reading online forums is as fucking laughable as the fact that you think you're being objective when you're arguing for your side like a Democrat vs Republican and think you're being objective. You should hang yourself.

>I can't believe you actually posted that feeling proud of yourself, think of your family next time.

You should have thought about this sentence more before okaying it to be read by another human being.

>How is a modern force with air and artillery support not able to take a dam from a bunch of machete-wielding savages?
>Because this has never happened in history before, no sirree
>The only factor in winning a war is in the technology
>Doesnt matter that literally every member of that high tech military is bitching and moaning about how they'd rather have a nuclear winter then doing their jobs
>Or that they spread thin as fuck
>Or that they're run by incompetent fucks

Legion, meanwhile, has his men literally following his words to their deaths and act as a well oiled machine, cutting them off from supplies and having actual strategic and well planned attacks (mostly).

Besides, they're used to seeing raiders in ridiculous Mad Max armor running around, so the Legion probably doesn't seem out of place to them at all.

cass is canon bi

>ARs in NV

you mean the one? Unless you count the LMG which I don't know what's wrong with it aside from using the assault rifle reload anim

Man, I'm not even going to fuklly read this response, you're clearly out for (you)'s, like what the fuck man, do you hoenstly think BoS is done well in FO3? They aren't, neitheri s any other group, especially the enclave.

proof

IN-GAME proof, Avellone's forumspring doesn't count

>Legion, meanwhile, has his men literally following his words to their deaths and act as a well oiled machine,
Most of the legion plot line and side questing is fixing their tons of supply and armament problems

there is literally no reason for them to be a superpower in the setting. they don't have the same kinds of weaponry or training or even numbers as NCR.

>Man, I'm not even going to fuklly read this response, you're clearly out for (you)'s, like what the fuck man,

Quality response I'm glad you posted

>do you hoenstly think BoS is done well in FO3?

I don't know but let me see what poignant statement you've prepared about it

>They aren't, neitheri s any other group, especially the enclave.

Oh ok

>Avellone's forumspring doesn't count
Yeah let's not listen to the devs. Ever.

>Because this has never happened in history before, no sirree
More vietkong killed than americans, buddy :^)

>haha le fallout new vegas is so le /k/ and such le realistic guns not at all like BETHE$$$DA'S SHOTGUN
>w-whats an AR doe aint no ARs in NV ???

holy shit how do you insist that anything gun-related in a game is realistic but don't know what an "AR" is

Yeah, deadly and precise attacks like that one group of traveling merchants near the abandoned farm. How is the Legion even a threat?

Caesar literally tells you how he started the Legion.
He read about the Roman Empire and realized that the tribes in the Wasteland weren't too different from the Gauls or Mediterranean tribes. They had numbers and brutality but not organization or strategy so he trained his men to use military tactics that raiders would neither recognize or know how to counter. The war was basically a reboot of society and instead of stumbling into these things over hundreds of years of refinement as the raiders would have eventually, Caesar was able to implement these tactics all at once just by reading about and understanding them.

Man, have you ever played FO1? 2? do you know how drastically different the BoS is in those compared to 3? I don't know why oyu're trying to defend them. They aren't Lawful Good, they're true neutral/neutral evil

>they don't have the same kinds of weaponry or training or even numbers as NCR.
There are tons of mentions of the NCR not having enough firepower to do their jobs, newly recruited soldiers being sent over without proper training, and numbers stretched too thin to be able to stand against any Legion attacks.

Their numbers make sense because they conquer and absorb tribes/cities. Play the fucking game.

And their firepower, while not including as much high-tech stuff like lasers and plasma, still is a match because of their battle tactics, which largely involved close quarters. The NCR is largely about long distance, they're close quarters combat skills are shit.

No, Avellone's musings about his unfinished game don't fucking count

also you still didn't post anything

world.guns.ru/assault/usa/m16-m16a1-m16a2-m16a3-e.html

HINT: "AR" does not stand for "Assault Rifle", it stands for "Armalite Rifle". Actual military ARs with full-auto fire, making them assault rifles, are denoted with M, and not AR. ARs are the semi-auto (typically civilian) variants.

KYS my man

yeah man its totally not like you dont see gunships parked around, they have no artillery, and certainly not units wearing fucking(salvaged) power armor that's still plenty bullet and knife proof

all to take a fucking single dam. not even wage a whole campaign. to move one checkpoint about a hundred feet up the road

This really.
To US as the player the Legion are Roman cosplaying faggots who just do what they're told. But to the people of the Mojave and NCR who probably wouldn't know that much history, they're just a massive army of slavers lead by a ruthless despot moving in from the East.
Only when she is drunk. She says when she's had enough to drunk she doesn't care who she ends up in bed with.

You would've been better off posting a saiga

now try again with the magazine where it actually is

>dude sharpening lmao

>The NCR is largely about long distance,
Is that why most of their elite units are armed with pistol caliber carbines and literal revolvers?

Is that why they can't fight a battle on LITERALLY a completely open highway that is only sectioned off because "gameplay limitations"?

while we're on the subject of crazy russian guns that actually exist, how triggered are you by this thing

I think this user had a stroke.

Not him, but the game does make it clear the BoS in FO3 is basically a rogue faction that has decided to take on a more benevolent role. It may not be in line with how the brotherhood normally acts, but it isn't as radical a change as the enclave who were clearly meant to be wiped out in FO2, but got retconned into magically having another sizeable force in FO3, which forced Obsidian to make up the whole remnants group.

>Would have been helped if in NV some NPCs called the Legion out for being cosplaying fags, can't remember if that ever happened off the top of my head
>"Man, remember those guys who burned down entire town, murdered all the woman and children, put their heads on pikes and then let the rest get crucified? Think my friend was living there. What cosplaying faggots lol."

>now try again with the magazine where it actually is
literally a ppsh

well, you do need to have brain problems to enjoy FONV

ok so the two then?

Oh no, I hsould call a doctor. I forgot ot get my stroke checked!
know what you're rtight user, I'm being too hard on the Bos in 3, really Idon't mean to hit 3 that hard, it's a lot of fun, but I don't find it as fun as NV, and I know it's all opinoin based, I think being here has hurt my ability to have a reasonable discussion with someone.

It's really hard to suspend my disbelief when guys in football padding wielding spears and knives are throwing down with modern-looking infantry wielding automatic rifles and the modern armed force somehow loses.

>fucking this
There are in game dialogue options revealing that most of the NCR troopers being sent to the Mojave have only had two weeks of basic before deployment. This is why the Rangers and Veterans coming in is such a big deal in the passive dialogue. Because before the Legion marched East, the NCR barely gave a fuck about protecting the Mojave because just holding it in name was enough for them. They didn't think they would actually face a real army moving in from the East.

I guess every woman in the world is bi then

Are you really trying to use a complaint about the world design to argue your point? That's fucking retarded.

And just because they have long range weapons doesn't mean enemies can't get in close. They literally mention that the Legion uses all kinds of tactics to push the line and get in close, namely using noncombatants (slaves usually) who go up front and get mowed down while the ones with guns follow behind and the ones with shit like the powerfists probably right behind those guys to sweep in as they draw in.

>which forced Obsidian to make up the whole remnants group.
The Remnants have nothing to do with FO3's Enclave. They're a handful of old people who happened to not be on the oil rig back when the Chosen One blew it up.

>the enclave who were clearly meant to be wiped out in FO2, but got retconned into magically having another sizeable force in FO3
yeah that one native tribe we wiped out in 1678 or whatever? That was all the natives. Ever.

The gorillion jews that died in the holocaust? That was all of them. All of the jews. Forever. There were none anywhere else.

When we shot all the buffalo during frontier times? That's why you can't get bison burgers in neat little cardboard boxes in grocery stores.

It is literally impossible for populations of things to be separate from one another.

>in literally what way? Why are cosplayers throwing down with marines? How does that make sense?

They are not savages. They are terrorists, they use explosives all the time, scare tactics, their soldiers are highly disciplined in combat.
The NCR are also cosplayers of the old world. They are not marines.

>smg
>magazine STILL near the back
sure showed me?

Inb4 "I'd rather stare at a woman's ass" replies.

>the world design
I'm saying your interpretation is wrong.

The NCR mostly uses carbines, tons of them in pistol calibers, and their elite units are basically cowboys wielding gilded revolvers. One of the unique non-vats Unarmed moves you can get is also from a Ranger, so they must have hand-to-hand fighting training and experience as well.

You're wrong. You are incorrect. u fucked it up m8,

Ass is the purest form of love

They still got made because of the bullshit FO3 pulled.

The Legion's existence makes sense in the setting. Caeser is a warlord who enslaved and consolidated primitive tribes under a past culture. The Legion is a reasonable response to the reality of the waste land.

If the comic book people exist, then their neighbors would of course hate them, but there's no reason for the comic book people to exist based on the reality of the wasteland. They're just crazy and quirky.

Fallout is about human nature, "War never changes." Caeser is an example of that human nature. He, like the NCR's politicians, thinks he knows which ideology is best and all that's left to do is to deal with the opposition. The cosplay crew only exists for comedy; their existence is not consistent with the realities of the wasteland. They exist because a writer wanted to contrast something that didn't fit into the world with the world. The only reason they're funny is because they don't belong.

>>magazine STILL near the back
What I'm getting here is that you're a retarded NMA shitposter who is so latched on to your argument that you now think it's somehow impossible for a gun to fire if its magazine is too far forward, or something?

You still haven't managed to explain how the ARs in FONV work, either.

>inb4
more like 2 hours late

>The Legion is a reasonable response to the reality of the waste land.
Not really, when the reality of the waste land involves people with guns, a lot of those guns being exotic pieces that shoot lasers or plasma bolts, and the legion's idea of small unit tactics is "wear football padding for armor and hit the enemy with a lawn mower blade"

Yea? And their elites are back over in Cali you fucking buffoon. You clearly haven't played the game, or else you'd know that the majority of NCR troops in the Mojave are fucking greenhorns who have barely fought anything bigger than radroaches. Good weapons don't mean dick if you don't have the experience in using them. And even then, fucking unusual (to the NCR) tactics like the ones used by the Legion are going to make them have a hard time keeping the enemy at bay.

YOU'RE wrong. You're stupid. Fuck off.

>there's no reason for the comic book people to exist based on the reality of the wasteland.
They explicitly tell you that they're from pre-war comic books. Reading comics and cosplaying is probably a more reasonable solution to stress than is attacking army units who have machine guns and artillery.

>>The Mojave is so boring and there's nothing there
desu the desert looks like complete shit in that engine

>comparing the literal remains of the US government to tribes and races of people

You are literally retarded. There wasn't anything to indicate that the Enclave had forces anywhere other than the West coast.

Stay wrong, retard.

New Vegas is full of Fallout 2 callbacks and references. This had nothing to do with 3. Are you saying that not a single solitary member of the Enclave should have made it out of Fallout 2 alive?

I think the asshole football jock look of the Legion is nice. It's a little silly, but not everything need to be serious business all the time.
Outside of that, the Legion is just a modern Islamic nation. Nothing unrealistic about them.

>lol how can't Merrica defeat Islam yet, so stopid. Worst story ever, so unbelievable.

well according to Bethesda the east is a vast open nothing with nothing but raiders with nothing but pistols and makeshift melee weapons, so I don't see how the Legion had any trouble getting organized

oh and super mutants with makeshift melee weapons just because

>comparing the literal remains of the US government to tribes and races of people
Did you know that Fidel Castro had a brother?

>smg = shotgun
anyway I'm not /k/ literate, and I'm going out on a limb here that neither are you, I've seen them tear that thing to shreds before and I'm sure you'd never try your shitposting around them
and missing a few parts because of a simplified model is a slightly smaller offense than nonsensical from the ground up

This has to be a false flag, nobody here unironically defends FO3 over New Vegas. This is a non-debate.

>my useless facts prove you wrong

Nice shitpost, kiddo. Come back when you can actually make a sensible argument.

>nobody here unironically defends FO3 over New Vegas
Read the thread, tons of people on Cred Forums are casuals now, we need ot get rid of them because actual discussion is ruined now.

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Old world blues
Best dlc I ever bought or will ever buy.
So much comedy. Awesome locations. And insane enemys.

Giant robot scorpion 2016 for president

>but not everything need to be serious business all the time.
Tell that to the people who chimp about RAH RAH THIS SHOTGUN COULD NEVER WORK and shitpost WHAT DO THEY EAT???? every single day.

F3 was just as silly. It's dishonest and hypocritical to say that NV is somehow not completely insane and retarded, but F3 is unbearably stupid.

>>smg = shotgun
Did you know that there's a variant of the AK47 that fires shotgun shells? It's called the Saiga 12.

The mechanics of a firearm don't significantly change between it being a shotgun or a rifle. There's some differences in things like available gas pressure and recoil, but the same basic mechanics apply.

If you don't know fucking anything about firearms, then why are you shitposting about how guns in a video game are unrealistic or silly? Especially when the gun you're complaining about is CLEARLY based on several real-world designs that were very popular and effective.

Did you even play the game? It's made clear that very little manage to make it out of their HQ, and that the Brotherhood is going to be tracking down the remainder to squash them and take their shit.

>nonsensical from the ground up

Literally what is wrong with it? Most of the guns in NV have objective problems with them that can be immediately identified.

What's the actual issue with the shotgun in F3?

I'm sure the Brotherhood was going to do a lot of things before the NCR started blobbing all over Cali and drove them back into their bunkers

just search nexus for brighter nights. It's not hard.

GIANT HAND PENISES.

And it's so unbelievable that they missed a couple? There's Literal real life Nazi high-ranking officers who fled to and subsequently happily retired in Argentina without ever seeing court.

well if gun mechanics don't change, why aren't there semi automatic shotgun pistols? couldn't be cartridge/shell size or anything, couldn't be that an ak has it's magazine in the middle and not at the end of the barrel, and a relatively large bullet, nope, all the same

ANyone got that WH40k Nexus mod link for NV? I wasn't going to get it orginally but fuck it.

>implying he has to think those guns are fine in order to shit on yours.

>in literally what way? Why are cosplayers throwing down with marines? How does that make sense?
>Why are raiders throwing down with guys that are so fucking worthless they need to hire a courier to do everything for them.
Fucking retards give prisoners dynamite and don't expect shit to go wrong, its not hard to believe they cant hold out against tougher then average raiders.

Yea, they didn't reorganize and conveniently find a fucking computer that knew all about them and was able to take command and literally pull a scheme similar to the previous enclave president except make the plan have a lot of retarded and illogical points to it that the game just barely admits are retarded and illogical.

>There was too much TALKING to get to the fighting
you could literally complete the game with like 20 minutes of dialogue, nobody says this
>It takes FOREVER to get any of the Power Armor or Ranger Armor
ive never once seen anyone complain about this, it doesnt even take long
>The game is so railroaded until you get to the Strip
you can walk from goodsprings right to the strip without talking to anyone apart from merchants or doing any quests and shoot benny
>I feel like I always ended up making the same character
the builds are exactly the fucking same save for a couple of added perks like the damage increase to 'cowboy' weapons
>The Mojave is so boring and there's nothing there
theres a lot of filler locations that have literally nothing there
>Fallout 3 just had a much darker atmosphere
yes, the capital wasteland did seem like a worse place to live somehow
>It didn't feel like Fallout without Bethesda making it
only people introduced to the series by 3 say that so its irrelevant
>Lonesome Road ruined my immersion as the Courier by giving them a backstory
a lot of NV fans right here on Cred Forums complain about this very thing and a lot like it or dont care, deal with it

new vegas is definitely better than beth-fallout but this is literally a worthless thread

Yeah it's impossible that any kind of mechanics could be housed in the stock, either, and no weapon has ever fed rounds through a tube

If the P90 and Beta-C magazine can work in real life, I think the combat shotgun should be just fine.

>there is literally no reason for them to be a superpower in the setting. they don't have the same kinds of weaponry or training or even numbers as NCR.
>Because a slight advantage in firepower is important when comparing guys literally trained from birth for combat going up against people that were probably farmers the day before

>oh shit our addresses are on file

>i guess that means we could never, ever possibly hide, ever

It makes sense that a number of them survived. New Vegas actually does deal with the fact that not all of them could possibly have died. Though they do make it clear that even the ones who are alive would be old and separated from each other without any kind of central command, they would likely have splintered off.
The Remnants make a certain amount of sense retroactively since New Vegas saw what FO3 had done and was like "Oh, this is why the Enclave surviving in some form could make some sense" without explicitly excusing it.

Though the BoS was done all wrong. Lyons' faction should have been called the Outcasts for giving into their compassion and deciding to work for the good of the Wasteland rather than having it be the other way around. It would have made them a bit more interesting and not given new players the wrong idea about the Brotherhood.

We're talking about the Remnants in New Vegas. Five people. Not the Enclave army in 3. Which, as I said, are completely unrelated.

>a single guy with a lawn mower blade should be able to throw down with a platoon of men with AR15s and win

we finnish now??

>Yeah, deadly and precise attacks like that one group of traveling merchants near the abandoned farm. How is the Legion even a threat?
What? Now the legion has a merchants full supply and now the NCR and any other faction has lost a trader, while traders are already in short supply out of worry that they are also going to be killed by legion and other raider groups.

The NCR literally complain constantly about not having enough supplies as it is.

Read youtube comments, then. Don't avert your eyes and wake up, that's reality.

>If I make up a false point he didn't say, his statement is ruined

It's funny how you can't come up with any kind of reasonable counterpoint to the things I say. Thought I guess I shouldn't be surprised with a shitposter such as yourself.

So do people actually prefer 3 to NV so fervently they'll defend it at any turn and shit on NV whenever they can, or is it ironic kneejerk shitposting in response to how much praise NV gets?

The thing about the Lonesome Road DLC is that the backstory is intentionally designed to be vague. You can call Ulysses crazy and deny that you ever delivered a package to that particular location.

I don't even know why it's still an issue being discussed from either perspective considering that FO3 is basically a dead game.

I'm sorry, but F3 was not just as silly. Everything in F3 was a theme park (come see the vampires here, the super heroes hero there, and the giant children cave all over there).

On the other hand you have a little silly faction like the Kings in F:NV, but they still need to interact with the rest of the world, they can't just be a minor side attraction disconnected from the world.

>Which, as I said, are completely unrelated.
no but you see the BoS should have gone and tracked them down across the wastes to slaughter them to a man-- wait shit thats literally what happens in Fallout 3 and there is a literal ground war between the BoS and Enclave at the end of the game

did you people even play F3? The things you complain about are totally invalid. The things you say should have happened mostly do happen, and the questions you seem to hold in such high importance ("WHAT DO THEY EAT???") can all be answered pretty trivially

NMA shitposters literally can't let F3 go for some reason. Day in, day out, they'll make these threads just to complain.

They even use the same catchphrases from 10 years ago, like "theme park world" and STILL asking what everyone eats.

Not to mention the kings fit in with the kinds of factions and groups emerging in the first 2 games; people who are adapting their lives to whatever things they can find in old records while still accounting for the current situation. Unlike FO3 where you have two autists playing costumed heroes because LOL

What in the flying fuck are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything I said?

no, but a fucking lot of guys with lawn mower blades and guns of their own could certainly do it

especially when that platoon has maybe a handful of guys that have been in a fight before

Casual gamers who don't really like RPGs will shitpost against NV because they get confused and they don't want to spend the half hour their GF lets them have the big tv thinking

RPG obsessed fanboys who hate when even one skill is removed bitch against FO3 because its harder to imagine yourself as a different person each time, something RPG players need desperately because their own lives are so pathetic

I am the latter.

>i-its a theme park
Why should these groups have interaction with eachother? The few enclaves of normal people actually do have trade and interact, and the rest basically tell you "NORMIES GET OUT REEEEEEEEEE"

The vampires don't do their vampire shit in the open because they'll get killed otherwise. The kids stay behind their fortifications because they'll get killed otherwise. The superheroes DO do their shit out in the open, and one of the "good" endings to the quest is killing them where they stand for being such relentless dorks.

Did you even play the game or are you just still parroting shit from that one article written a decade ago on NMA?

It's not that hard to understand. The legion is mainly a disciplined mob of retarded slaves that only know how to hit people. Even if there were enough normal guns to go around, distributing them would be a pain and nobody would know how to use them. The NCR uses guns and they have a supply problem and a shortage of trained soldiers. The Legion and NCR are both trying to prop up a civilization based on a past culture, but they chose different cultures. The Legion is based off of roman culture. The NCR is based on industrialized American culture. Legion soldiers look like legionaries, but they aren't. NCR soldiers looks like marines, but they aren't.

Reading comic books and cosplaying is not a solution to anything. There's no reason for them to do this. They're acting in a way that contrasts with the grimness of the world they live in. That's the joke. Legion soldier #85649 is doing what he is required to do, wear some armor and go hit people for the legion. It isn't funny, because it makes sense.

>Read youtube comments, then.
Seriously, that's the stupidest suggestion I've ever read here, and this site is like intense stupidity 24/7 nonstop. Good job.
Youtube comments are even dumber than Cred Forums, let that sink in for a minute.

Ironic kneejerk shitposting. In 2010/11 every little kid was loving F3, because it was his first RPG.
But now with the release of F4, even redditors are seeing the flaws of F3 and F4 and the good sides of F:NV.
So some shitposters here are trying to play devil's advocate, because of Reddit.

>its harder to imagine yourself as a different person each time,
but F3 actually had different endings to sidequests other than "murder everyone", "report back to the NCR about murdering everyone", or "report back to caesar (with a soft c because caesar himself is illiterate) about murdering everyone"

>Wielding spears and knives
The only guys I see doing this are the Legion Assassins, and those guys wear some heavy duty shit, so they can afford to come in close.

Otherwise most legion Iv seen have guns on par with most NCR troops.
Never mind that legion are literally training constantly while most NCR are out drinking up in Vegas or just sitting around doing nothing.

>The kids stay behind their fortifications because they'll get killed otherwise

Next to the evil super ork base? Sound secure.
If the world was not a theme park and connected, Little lamplight could not even exist.

>F3 was not as silly

You're talking about the game with vampires, a bunch of people suddenly deciding to set up camp next to an atomic bomb for no reason other than just because, a cult worshiping said bomb like a god, a settlement controlled by a bunch of children who somehow haven't been killed by the supermutants next door, a giant robot that throws mininukes and fires laser beams while shouting anti-communist propaganda, a settlement called the "Republic of Dave" that was previously known as the "Kingdom of Tom", people pretending to be superheroes in costumes, a robot president that kills itself if it commits a logical fallacy, and a supernatural building that's basically a rip-off of HP Lovecraft, and you're unironically trying to argue that Fallout 3 was "not as silly"

top fucking kek

Actually Caesar is probably the most well-read person ever in a Fallout game. Maybe Arcade has him beat but its doubtful.
Caesar and the Legion use the Post-Classical pronunciation, how the Romans themselves would have said Caesar.

And they also buy games, buddy. Let that sink in for a minute.

what is this NMA bullshit you keep spouting?

It doesn't occur to you that people have played 3 and know firsthand how retarded it is?

This was never about sales or the youtube audience, try again. Whatever retards try to defend FO3 over New Vegas here are new.

No one? I'm a bit hurt

>Reading comic books and cosplaying is not a solution to anything.
So why does /cgl/ exist?

In that quest, they basically tell you why they do it, they have weird batman-esque complexes about giving idols for people to look up to, but they're just really bad at their jobs (and either die for it, or you negotiate a truce where they become the collective police force of the area, with or without costumes depending on how mean you are). They have individual wants and needs satisfied by playing dress-up.

>Legion soldier #85649 is doing what he is required to do, wear some armor and go hit people for the legion. It isn't funny, because it makes sense.
It doesn't make sense. Why is he playing dress-up? Any modern military uniform is gonna be made for camouflage and comfort. Tribal warriors don't go out in lavish peacock costumes, they go out in grass skirts and primitive armor. Modern gangs don't go out dressing up like Elvis or extras from a Conan movie, they'll maybe wear matching bandannas just for primitive IFF.

Why is the legion dressing up their front-line combat troops in halloween costumes and football padding and having them use swords and spears in a setting where guns and armor are trivially cheap?

for literally what purpose is the legion a bunch of fucking cosplayers

>best read ever
im pretty sure there's other characters that mention having worked with him and mention that he was middling at best, which is high compared to the population as a whole, but not impressive compared to other Neo-MSF personnel

also he has LITERAL brain problems, can die of his Nth stroke during the game, and mispronounces his own chosen name. He also didn't understand hegel at all. hegel didn't mean you literally have to punch dudes to invent new philosophy, hth

>So why does /cgl/ exist?
To make the other boards suffer

>Caesar and the Legion use the Post-Classical pronunciation, how the Romans themselves would have said Caesar.
youre literally wrong, caesar would have had a hard c and be more like "kaisar"

caesar is a type of salad dressing

Elvis and Rome have a cultural legacy. Ants do not. The kings and the legion represent an attempt to reconnect with the past, but also demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of it. The ant man is just there because bethesda wanted something funny and epic to entertain the kiddos

>Why should these groups have interaction with eachother?

Because that's how humans survive, through interaction. And considering the earth is still fucking irradiated despite nearly 300 years passing, they don't have much choice otherwise when supplies are scarce. No one says every single town has to know one another, but they sure as hell can't so self-contained with the ship in a bottle manner they're portrayed with in FO3.

And the kiddie cave is stupid. Where do the new kids even come from? Unless they're convincing kids to leave and join them or finding them abandoned, the only remaining option is disturbing as hell.

Only thing I don't like about new vegas is it has some of the absolute shittiest boring dlc. Honest hearts was SO BAD. also contrary to popular opinion I really enjoyed dead money and didnt like old world blues

>uses the same catchphrases from 10 years ago
>"w-whats this other site you speak of ?"
keep sweating, shitter. we all know you just haaaaaaate todd for ruining van buren or whatever conspiracy you believe in

>having them use swords and spears in a setting where guns and armor are trivially cheap
They do use guns too. More often than melee weapons, actually. Have you played the game?

Mac-10 bolt wraps around the barrel, like most compact SMG bolts do. You can clearly see on the very picture you posted that the handle on top is positioned far ahead of the breech block and firing pin.

>also contrary to popular opinion I really enjoyed dead money
But Cred Forums worships Dead Money.

I think you're the one too deep in your conspriacy theory user

I'd at least understand if you used reddit as your boogieman like everyone else but nobody has any idea what the fuck you're talking about

>Because that's how humans survive, through interaction.
And they only survive once you, the player, interact with them. Because it's a video game and it would be boring if they just milled about happily and needed nothing from you (or anyone else)

The vampires are few in number and are too autistic to live. The republic of dave is a drama-infested hellhole that produces nothing of merit. the superheroes are dorks hated by everyone around them because they don't listen to the townspeople asking them to stop. etc etc

>ship in a bottle manner
even the LITERAL ship in a closed bay only thrives through trade with the other major settlement in the area

>And the kiddie cave is stupid. Where do the new kids even come from?
I think they mention that they sometimes find kids wandering the wastes and bring them back.

>the only remaining option is disturbing as hell.
thats the point :^)

>Mhmmm, yes! YES, MASTER TODD! I love sucking your cock! Mhmmmmm!

Not that guy, but seriously what is NMA?

>What is intimidation
Heres a situation, you got about one guy who knows what he's doing, and 3 literal just-got-picked-off-the-farm fuck heads who just want a source of food/income
Suddenly, head guy gets his fucking head blown off and you got 5 guys, to with pistols and 3 with fucking machetes running down, screaming bloody murder.
These guys just killed an entire town, and you heard they might have also fucked and eaten the corpses, cause words get mixed up when you only have one survivor.

We fucking finnish now.

I didn't enjoy HH the first time I played it but it has little bits of gold scattered through the shit. Randall Clark and Joshua Graham are great and the gears and crafting it adds make it worthwhile. It's just a shame that everything else is so bland.

>I have never fired or cleaned a gun in my life
ok man

btw you S T I L L have not managed to explain how the ARs in NV work.

>What is intimidation
yeah its not like soldiers go through training or anything to filter out the pussies or harden up said pussies, naaaah

>We fucking finnish now.
you're not even that good, you're Modern Bong tier

>hard c and be more like "kaisar"

yes, like every legionnaire says

granted im not him but Caesar probably doesn't pronounce it that way because he's not brainwashed from youth to hail kaisar and crucify the profligates like his soldiers are. He was a regular dude who learned about Caesar and pronounces it like any modern person would think to.

>because it's a videogame

Not a legitimate counterpoint, twit.

The areas in the original two fallouts were believable and thrived like what actual settlements would. Sure, the player does get to influence a few of them, and the first sequel made it clear that at least one city wouldn't be the way it was without the vault dwellers actions. But that's what makes them good; they have character but in a believable way. None of this "lol, because" that the ones in FO3 have.

>for literally what purpose is the legion a bunch of fucking cosplayers
Because Caesar understands that symbols have power. Uniformity and dehumanization are elements of Caesar's strategy. Armor and weapons are only really cheap if you're the player character and get hundreds of caps thrown at you every half hour. The Legion does give weapons to their mid-rank soldiers and higher.
Plus, again WE as the player see them as cosplayers because we know about Rome and its Empire. To the people of the Mojave they just see a massive army of Slavers with a brutal sadist at the helm moving their way.

you could have all that happen, or you could shoot at them with your Service Rifle

Assuming, of course, the Service Rifle can cycle. How does it cycle anyway?

>yes, like every legionnaire says
You must have a mod or something. They do NOT say it like that in the base game.

Easy Pete is the only character in the entire game who pronounces it properly.

>Not a legitimate counterpoint
So in an RPG, everyone should already be happy and healthy both physically and mentally and there should be no place for the PC to affect the world in any way? Sounds like a fun game. Moron.

yeah, thats what I meant when I was talking about the pronounciation

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuureeeee. Because ONE man saying "I'll slit your throats and use them to shit inside" is totally going to make HEAVILY ARMED MEN drop their weapons.

You must also think a fucking teddy bear being launched at terminal velocity would ever have the impact force to scatter a human body into paste.

You're literally stupid. If the breech block would be where you drew it on the image, the firing handle would burst out of the front of the gun. Unless your personal Mac-10, the one I'm sure you own and cleared multiple times, have different mechanism. Would you mind posting timestamped photos of it, btw?

>how the ARs in NV work
But I already said that artist made a mistake by not giving the reciprocating charging handle enough space to cycle. It's a bad model, but at least the bad part of it is on the right side, where you don't see it in first person.

>yeah its not like soldiers go through training or anything to filter out the pussies or harden up said pussies, naaaah
>game explicitly mentions how the recruits get like a week of training before getting shipped out to bumfuck, nevada because the NCR are desperate in their fight against salad man

The one of the nagatives for me in New Vegas was the companions.

Lilly - lol so randum funny mutant, Bethesda and Reddit style of humor

Arcade - a special gay snowflake Gary Stue, self insert for one of the creators

Cass - cursing badass woman, boring

Veronica - quirky lesbian nerd girl, trying to change her bigoted society, because it's 2277

Boone - the Legion is shit in the content department, so let's just put angry soldier trope to just kill them on sight. We can have the player decide for himself, he need to kill the bad guys from the begin, such deep RPG experience

Raul - he was okay, but kinda boring like the rest

Which was surprising to me, New Vegas had some really interesting characters like Mr House and Caesar, but the companions are shit tier.

YUou can distell any character down to pbasic points, what you're point?

>You must also think a fucking teddy bear being launched at terminal velocity would ever have the impact force to scatter a human body into paste

Todd seems to think so, based on the rock-it launcher

>So in an RPG, everyone should already be happy and healthy both physically and mentally and there should be no place for the PC to affect the world in any way?

Literally never said anything about them needing to be happy and content. Nice reading comprehension, you stupid nigger.

I said they need interaction because that's how humans survive and thrive. But please, do keep pretending that you can have believable cities where everyone lives like it's fucking Disneyworld.

>symbols have power.
So what you're saying is that Caesar got his cues on modern warfare from Batman comics?

Can I ask how old you are? I don't think you're old enough to post on this site, man.

>a massive army of Slavers with a brutal sadist at the helm moving their way.
Who are all wearing football padding that magically stops bullets. It's pretty bad character design, honestly. If they had just made them wear actual armor, it probably wouldn't be so bad, but as it stands, it ruins the suspension of disbelief to pump round after round into a guy and have it behave like he's wearing full ceramic plates when all he's got on are literally foam and used pie tins.

>Please! I HATE roleplaying in my ROLEPLAYING games. Fuck me harder Todd!

4 is trash though everything it tries too do feels half assed.

Gannon and Veronica's gayness are never as in your face as you make them out to be.

>Lilly - lol so randum funny mutant
So you never played with Lily.

>Arcade ... self insert for one of the creators
He's one of characters Sawyer played in Fallout PnP, yes. Another character he played was Jean-Baptiste Cutting.

>Who are all wearing football padding that magically stops bullets.
It's only a staple of Fallout series.

It doesn't, what's NMA by the way?

I hated new vegas because they ruined the brotherhood of steel and made them all assholes.

literally every stock legionnaire is always saying "AWE, TRUE TO KAISAR" every time you walk by them

I had 200 hours on xbox, trust me

>when you are literally retarded
fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Caesar's_Legion#Language

>yeah its not like soldiers go through training or anything to filter out the pussies or harden up said pussies, naaaah
H...Are..Are you fucking retarded?
The main fucking complain most NCR troops have is that THEY DONT GET ANY FUCKING TRAINING.
Any trained professionals are protecting one single area, and that place is slowly getting fucked because of constant attacks.
The NCR is constantly in need of reenforcements, but they aren't getting any because there aren't any.

They're spread everywhere and, again, they can't afford to send a single actually trained man out.

Fuck, a constant complaint is that these guys are usually too busy drinking and gambling in vegas instead of actually doing their job.

Stop thinking the NCR is somehow our current military. They aren't even close to the Enclave in terms of power and they got fucking whiped out by a single guy, his dog and maybe some merc.

>I said they need interaction because that's how humans survive and thrive.
They are not surviving or thriving though, so your complaint is moot. They only begin to survive and thrive when the player comes by and forces them to participate in the grander world, or die (or be left to their devices and wallow in their unhappiness if you just ignore the quest)

Shit nigga there's even a quest literally just dedicated to financial investment in the caravans

The companions are shit. Even in F3 they are better. Little one note, but still better.
I fell like Obsidian was trying just too hard with some of them.

>So why does /cgl/ exist?
Dressing up as fictional characters is a form of recreation. Cosplay is a solution to too much free time. Risking life to pretend to be a fictional character is not a solution to the waste land. These people should be too busy farming or being killed.

>Why is he playing dress-up?
They are not playing dress up, they're wearing armor so that if a tribal hits them, they won't feel it. The Legion mainly fights tribals. Their armor is not lavish. It's some leather with a skirt and red. Their uniform has skirts and red because Caeser is appropriating Roman culture to help him consolidate different cultures. Symbols have power. It's the same reason why the NCR soldiers "cosplay" as marines. The Legion is not a modern military; they are a horde of slaves. Guns are not trivially cheap or available; the NCR struggles with weapon supply problems. I've given the same answers to the same questions several times now. Try to answer your own questions before posting.

I liked the minecraft base building once you modded it to be a bit more malleable and unlimited, making comfy towns was great.
Made a nice elevated restaurant/bar on a deck surrounding the tree in sanctuary, comfy as fuck. I mean yes the game is shit, I can't even be assed to finish the main story I care so little, but credit where credit is due

>Even in F3 they are better
Yeah no, let's look, at charon, he's gotn o chartcet, no perosnlaity, no sotry, how is he on earth na interesting characetre? or any of FO3s characters?

No one gave a shit about Arcade's sexuality until 5 years after the game came out. What happened?

>It's only a staple of Fallout series.
It has never, ever been a thing before FONV, you fuckwit

>I had 200 hours on xbox, trust me
same and ive never heard them use a hard C

it must be changed with a patch or mod or something because I have the base game, bought at launch. never have i been more disappointed with a purchase in my entire life. first game I'd bought instead of pirated or borrowed in months too. what a fucking mistake.

>Even in F3 they are better
You're kidding, right? Or are you saying blank slate, characterless characters with no personality is better than a failed attempt at writing?

>is totally going to make HEAVILY ARMED MEN drop their weapons.
>Against the guys known for going against HEAVILY ARMED MEN and winning
Also, Im not saying they just drop their fucking weapons you retard, but I would hope you'd notice that you aim alot less accurately when you're fucking panicking.

Again, most these guys were probably just working on a farm or maybe gambling and drinking in vegas just a week before this shit.

>It doesn't
Looks like FONV is a fucking shit game with abomonations for guns. 0/10, un-fucking-playable. personally mailing a bomb to Obsidian right now, too. They've fucked with fallout for the last time!!!!!!

lets be real, all of F3's companions were completely forgettable

>hur dur
>images can't possibly evoke emotional responses
>u must b lik 12

>These people should be too busy farming or being killed.
yeah and literally everyone involved in the quest tells you that, and it's the impetus to go talk to them to either talk them down from being /cgl/ nerds, or to turn their energies towards something more productive than fighting other dress-up dorks in the street

did you even play the game? at no point during that quest are they like "yup this is business as usual in the wastes, ppl just play dress up lol :)" at every turn they tell you to get these pricks to fuck off and grow up

Reactions to the SJW boogeyman taking over games with their liberal propaganda.

>They are not surviving or thriving though, so your complaint is moot

Except they are, retard. They're thriving through means that make no sense in the established universe of Fallout.

>They only begin to survive and thrive when the player comes by and forces them to participate in the grander world

Except they don't because you never do anything of the sort. You visit them, do a mission or two for them, and then leave. You don't help them stabilize, you don't help them thrive, at all. Because the game already makes it clear that they are magically fine and stable economically despite doing nothing but relying on meager caravans that pass by.

Meanwhile, the towns in New Vegas have help from the NCR and Crimson Caravan.

>guys in football padding are fucking scary!!! le symbols have power, thesis + antithesis, im so smrt just like caesar salad :^)

Post two pieces of photo ID and a void checque, please.

The bolt is already in the closed position in this picture.

>autism speaks
LITERALLY the only one with a personality was Fawkes
Even if we wanna pretend you are right and that Obsidian tried to hard. At least they tried.... like AT ALL. Same can't be said for Bethesda.

Calm the fuck down. It's not really a big negative, but it's just a cheap trick to make the character more distinctive and more of special snowflake.

>he's super smart, strong, handsome, telling you what to do all the time because he's right, btw he's also gay

>Cred Forums loses their minds hating on this..........

>It has never, ever been a thing before FONV, you fuckwit
In FO1 you have "leather armour" and "leather armour MK II" offering you a pretty decent protection against firearms. "Metal armour" is really good against low-level firearms and lasers, and it's just a bunch of post-war scrap metal with spikes. Wow!

>ive never heard them use a hard C
You're either literally deaf or literally stupid.
>it must be changed with a patch or mod
>patch
>changing VA for or Legion characters
There are even NPC that explain the difference between Caesar and Kaisar to you.

Still waiting for those Mac-10 photos.

I am fucking calm. I didn't say anything to sound agitated in the least.

>but absolutely LOVES this!!!!!!!

It doesn't matter what people tell them; it matters what they actually do, and what they actually do doesn't make sense.

fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Recruit_legionary
I wish they didn't just have lame Yuri Lowenthal's lines, the deeper voiced guys sound much better

I think you just have Alzheimers or something, nothing you're saying makes any sense

The cartridge is nowhere near where it's drawn on the picture, though. Chamber is right in front of the magazine, bolt catches the top cartridge from the mag, chambers it and fires, it doesn't drag it all the way to the end of the gun.

>So what you're saying is that Caesar got his cues on modern warfare from Batman comics?
No one knows who the romans even were anymore, so all they know is that guys dressed like this will kill you and rape your corpse.

Like, fuck, the KKK are literally wearing bedsheets, wouldn't make it any less worrying is someone dressed like that came for you around the during 40s.

A rifle and a pistol is not heavily armed
meanwhile the guys charging them have rifles, machetes, throwing spears, and attack dogs

>the caesar's legion people wear leather armor
it's clearly just football pads and pie tins. there's a separate "leather armor" item in the game that looks ENTIRELY different.

>mac-10
I already posted one photo of the bolt. See how there has to be room for the hammer to move and shit? It doesn't just fire right out of the magazine, you moron. "fires from open bolt" doesn't mean it literally hits the round right off of the magazine, it means that it just starts its firing cycle with the bolt open. It closes, taking a round off the magazine as it moves forward, then fires it.

The Mac-10 is LITERALLY not a bullpup. You're fucking retarded and need to fuck all the way off.

You basically have to pry Arcade's sexuality out of him. That's hardly a a cheap trick. A cheap trick would be something like Mass Effect 3's gay characters who never shut up about it.

>It doesn't matter what people tell them;
apparently it does because one of the ways to resolve that quest, much like many issues with people dressing inappropriately even in real life, is to talk them out of continuing to do it.

>and what they actually do doesn't make sense.
Which is why it's a problem and a quest to resolve. How are you going to have a quest without an issue to fix?

>reading comprehension

I'm talking about FO4 and it's "RAWR, fear me!" bullshit where you just utter some stupid threat and a dozen people give up the fight despite OUTNUMBERING you. Fucking mong.

Yell, blank slate, characterless characters are boring, but failed attempt at writing are just downright annoying
Just look at Cass, that bitch is whining all the time and is super unlikable. I would prefer just a strong gurl trope type of character, instead of super-duper angry chick.

>A cheap trick would be something like Mass Effect 3's gay characters who never shut up about it.
MAn don't remind me of ME3, that gmae still makes me sad.

>Starting a New Vegas thread by being a whiny little cunt

OP channels the fanbase well.

Yes. I'm aware. That picture is retarded.

Or the ones in Dragon Age who literally will harp on you if you don't reciprocate their feelings.

>meanwhile the guys charging them have rifles, machetes, throwing spears, and attack dogs
They're also way the fuck over there, and you have machine guns and at least two testicles per every three troops.

Are you talking about the doctor guy? You can get him too join with a speech check too. Or if you have a good reputation with the followers.

See: The chamber is right in front of the mag. It's not an inch and a half from it, like on your picture.

>it's clearly just football pads and pie tins
And they don't offer really good protection either. At least recruit ones. The Veteran etc. have additional leather stuff, but overall they're not amazing.

Fair enough, I'll take that.

>I'm talking about FO4 and it's "RAWR, fear me!" bullshit where you just utter some stupid threat and a dozen people give up the fight despite OUTNUMBERING you.
that was a New Vegas thing

fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Terrifying_Presence

it was also fucking useless and theres no point in ever taking it, but it was still an NV thing first.

no, they're sprinting at you from way the fuck over there, and you only have dinky shit Service Rifles while they have smgs and hunting rifles

>That picture is retarded.
And yet this guy will defend it: to his death.

well maybe you shouldn't be replying to posts talking about NCR vs Legion then, Mr. Reading Comprehension

>can cannibalize people or sell their meat to their friends and/or relatives
>can sell people into slavery
>can commit countless artrocities just for the fun of it and/or because it's more convenient
>hurr can't shoot people in the balls/vag because that's too edgy

Defend this, non-1/2 Falloutfags.

It's football pads and leather

if just leather can stop bullets then why can't leather and pads stop bullets?

birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/burger-bar-boys-gun-gang-10875531

Scroll about halfway done for video demo of an open bolt being fired. Should help the slow of thinking.

I'm can't be arsed to rip it and webm it.

You're still not getting it. There's no in game reason for it to have happened. It happened because the writer thought the juxtaposition would be funny, and it is. In New Vegas, The Legion, The Kings, and the NCR are all pretending to be things they aren't. Each faction is trying to push their preferred old world values on the rest of the world. The Legion isn't any more ridiculous than the NCR. The comic book heroes aren't part of a central theme and don't exist because of the constraints of the wasteland or human nature. The writer just plopped them into the wasteland the same way another writer plopped down Little Lampshade. Big town makes sense because it's a direct consequence of Little Lampshade. "Where do the kids go when they grow up?" Little Lampshade by itself doesn't make sense. The comic book heroes don't make sense.

Except it literally didn't have anywhere the same effect as the bullshit in FO4 did.

Maybe you shouldn't respond when it was fucking obvious I was talking about FO4's intimidation. Mr. "I can't fucking read for shit"

>428 posts
>78 IPs

somebody walked into the (you) casino with 10 luck, jesus fucking christ

It confirms what I said, though?

>hurr can't shoot people in the balls/vag because that's too edgy
No,Because in a third person shooter, it would be childs play to start every battle by shooting your opponent in the balls and watching him either stand still or fall over while you finish him off.
It works in the original games because it only cost them a turn, or such, and you could only do so much, maybe one attack in that time. Maybe you get two attacks in.

jesus just fucking kill yourself

Calm your autism, people have higher standard for written characters than you, big deal. You can still enjoy your shitty characters.

>LITERALLY the only one with a personality was Fawkes
Even then he was just "smart super mutant". And we already had that done way better with Marcus.

What is the point of getting replies anyways? Why do people want them so much?

God, this thread is fucking awful.
Its almost as bad as Fallout 4.

It makes them feel SPECIAL.

>NV followers
>shitty

Here's your (you)

I don't understand. What's even harder to understand is the people giving them.

It's pretty obvious from reading that 80% of these posts are the same people, how can someone just feed such blatant bait for so long without getting tired?

So F3 is shit in a different way, so that makes NV perfect?
Perfect obsidrone logic.

>Bethesda is shit, so Obsidian is perfect.

And I only have problem with the companions (they are just trying to make special characters too hard, came out as annoying in the end) most of the character in New Vegas are written well.

Seems alot of it is around a few guys arguing with that one dip complaining about legion armor or NCR is the US Marines and can't lose.

I get having high standards, believe me. I'm a judgmental prick 24/7
But I simply can not see how the New Vegas companions can be seen as inferior to FO3's companions. Arguably some of them are more useful in combat but in terms of personality at least Obsidian tried to make each one distinct. FO3's companions felt like an after thought. Star Paladin Cross is probably the least interesting character in the whole game.

Oh, and can't forget, which followers are worse?

>there people in this thread who don't want to play as cyborg cowboy in a wasteland.
I too forgot what fun was like

I'm not saying Obsidian or New Vegas is perfect. Look at the subject I put in the OP
They put way too many invisible walls in the game. Fallout 3 at least put some rubble behind theirs to have it make sense.
The game was bugged beyond repair until the unofficial patches.
They even dropped hints about Ulysses and other things related to the Courier's past that we had to wait until DLC came out to get answers. They literally did the worst thing you can with DLC. Make the questions part of the base game but have all the answer behind the pay wall.
But I still like their approach to the series more than Bethesda's.
Especially in light of Fallout 4.

I agree with you in a sense, but personally for me, blank characters > annoying characters.

It would have been better if we instead had faction companions (NCR, Legion, House), not just NCR people and some random dudes. This way you can at least make your choice of faction bigger for the gameplay.

>forgetting about the gun debate that carried over from last night
>the bolt in both FO3 and FO4 combat shotguns slides down and backwards into the stock

As if that's physically possible.

Not to mention there's only like 4 of them in FO3.

Butch, who is just "lol, I act like a punk because I thought that shit was funny as a kid!"

Cross, a somewhat competent character, but nothing interesting beyond "Yea, I was a bodyguard for your family. I even saw you being born." or whatever.

The edgelord in Megaton who likes killing because lol

The retired dude who is basically a less edgy version of the guy above.

And then Fawkes, who just spouts some philosophical stuff and nothing else. Oh, and "I can't take your destiny away even though nothing in the story has once implied you have to die."

Dogmeat gets a pass because he's a fucking dog. Though Rex is infinitely better because of the attachment the King has for him.

The devs were familiar with Source. Gamebryo was totally new territory for Obsidian.

>The retired dude who is basically a less edgy version of the guy above.

Who are you talking about?

If Jericho is the edgelord in Megaton then the only other companion is Clover, the far edgier slave girl you can buy in Paradise Falls.

Unless you meant Jericho was the retired guy, because he honestly isn't that edgy outside of his combat yells and being a rapist

Automatic AO in certain countries I would guess.

How were they annoying though? They actually had interesting things to say unlike the FO3 followers who just quipped and nothing else. Besides, you already do sort of get NCR and House followers in Boone and Veronica. It is a shame they scrapped the Legion companions (namely the early Uylsses).

You forgot Charon, the ghoul who just does what he's told. And Clover, the edgy slave girl who likes being a slave.

Well, there's like 8 but there might as well have been only 4. Literally the only ones I can remember are Fawkes because they tried a version of what the brigher Mutants were in the original games. Dogmeat for being a dog and dogs rule. And SPC for being so fucking boring. Fallout 3 literally had a character so boring, she was memorable. I don't know how that happened but there it is.

New Vegas is ultimately superior, and 3 3 3 is all around a pretty and underwhelming game, but there are a few things 3 does better, namely if you don't want to get invested in the world and the characters its easier to just fuck around and explore. That's the only thing it has on New Vegas. It's effectively just oblivion with guns.

Raul was supportive of the Legion to an extent.

>play Fallout 4
>shooting is much improved, but the story and writing are ass
>update New Vegas mods
>don't even leave Goodsprings before quitting because the combat feels like dicks
Why can't a modern Fallout have both at the same time?

Not so much supportive, but willing to let things play out should they win. Though probably because he knows they'd chase him off for being a disfigured freak, but at least they'd be honest about it unlike the NCR who would likely try to use him because of misconceptions with ghouls and their abilities, and House who while personally probably not caring about who looks like what, can't exactly tell the families to not shit on ghoul customers.

At least with the stupid karma system, you have gameplay consequences for your companions. You need bad,neutral or good karma for all of them.
In New Vegas you only need good NCR reputation and nothing else.
And in this way, Obsidian is showing how insignificant Mr House and the Legion are in the gameplay department.

Raul said they were a better alternative to raider chaos like in Mexico City.

Considering that the Legion would still be a step up for Mexico City today that's not saying much.

>start a new file on Fallout 4
>get bored and stop playing after 45 minutes
>start a new file on New Vegas
>spend hours just fucking around in Goodsprings because I enjoy the game so much

I don't think it has to do with him being a ghoul, he specifically talks about how the Legion brought law to Arizona and how much worse it was before, they arrived

Most of the game take place on NCR-controlled or NCR-affiliated territory. Makes sense to me.

>tfw being a manipulative asshole and double-crossing everyone
New Vegas was a fucking godsend.

no. i'm a tranny and it sucks. at least i got on hormones as a teenager so i forgoed having much of a puberty, so i'm hot now

>literally 'help the NCRcucks'...the game

I think his being a ghoul has something to do with it in a different way. He was alive before the war. He remembers what it was like to live in a (relatively) stable society without raiders and monsters everywhere. The Legion, if nothing else, brings stability and safety back.

To be fair, it's a pretty good half of a game but Obsidian shouldn't have taken on such a stupid project.

>Sure, we the masters of not finishing games can make a game in less time than we spent on our previous unfinished projects!

So here are 4 choices, but only 1 of them is correct and have any content. Pretty stupid.

>that is literally the Fallout 4 dialogue system
Based Bethesda taking cues from what people loved in New Vegas.

kek'd

You don't need any rep for keeping companions

having bad rep with their faction makes them leave, as does having good rep with their enemies, which are indeed gameplay consequences

>diamond dozen
great meme

>At least with the stupid karma system, you have gameplay consequences for your companions.

In FO3? Barely. Sure, some are tied to your alignment, but it barely matters because of how shit and bland the characters are.

The ones NV will follow you unless you choose Legion, and even then, you can get a good ways into the legion campaign before any of them leave you. Boone leaves the earliest, but the rest will stick by for a good while before they threaten to leave. By which point you probably don't need them anymore.

All the companions are okay with NCR, House, or Independent. I do agree that there should have been a Legion companion or two. But the Legion needed a lot of fleshing out in general. Even the developers have admitted this.

It wouldn't have been an Obsidian game if 1/3 of it wasn't missing.

In New Vegas you can choose the Legion and skip 90% of the content, because you can't access it. The game will even call you stupid and evil for doing it in the ending slides.

There need to be a little balance between the factions, if there is none, don't even bother putting the stupid "choice".

That's only been a thing with their recent games. They didn't miss anything for the first 2 fallouts, or their other early RPGs.

They didn't work on those games, Black Isle did.

>Obsidian made Fallout & Fallout 2
Kek.
>Fallout & Fallout 2 didn't have cut content
KEK
>Obsidian not finishing games is new
KEK OF KEKS

Obsidian is made up of people from Black Isle, senpai.

Nah, you can kill all of them on sight and all you miss out on is about 1/5 of the quests.

>Too much talking.
Fuck off, Pete Hines.

Only Sawyer wanted more Legion content. For the others of Obsidian, the Legion was just a dumb evil faction. Baddies to kill.
Adding good points to slavers was too much for them, so they made them maximum edge.

It's made up JE Sawyer, formerly Avellone, and an unknown number of programmers.
A lot of BI guys went to Troika, yaknow.

>>Fallout & Fallout 2 didn't have cut content

Barely. Most of what was cut was shit they either didn't feel would work out or felt added nothing to the game.

Try harder, shitposter.

Feargus Urquhart, Chris Avellone, Chris Parker, Darren Monahan, and Chris Jones, and a number of unknown programmers. That's quite a bit of people right there, bambino.

>Correcting factual errors is shitposting.
Go back to tumblr if you can't handle reality and only want people to agree with your opinion.

Troika was a precursor to Obsidian for a lot of them, Urquhart worked on Arcanum.

well with only 5 people confirmed to be working there no wonder their games are all half finished

I didn't state any errors, retard. I never said Obsidian directly made the old Fallouts. Christ, your reading comprehension is abysmal.

>not being your own boss
Fuck NCR, fuck the Legion, fuck Mr. House.
Being a self-serving, power-hungry, sociopathic bastard is where it's at.

I think the only person I didn't fuck over was King because I just couldn't bring myself to do that. Everything about Kings' gang is so comfy

I concede, I don't know as much about these games development histories as you do.

>half-finished meme

Nice shitpost, kiddo.

>Too many caps in a place where there's enough trade to be violently competitive and military mobilization/ VEGAS BABY
>complaint about the cave and mine systems where 3 had as many derelict buildings with a grand rubble prize
>small strip yes, empty not really
>complaining about addiction with the existence of Followers; 3 had worse addiction problems tho guys
>there was jazz in the trailer, and there's jazz in the goddamn game
>complains about uber character; complains about too little perk distribution
>not understanding that you can go different directions after Goodsprings, some aren't even hard
>not respecting the Big Iron
>not respecting Mr New Vegas
>saying VATS is useless when you acknowledge the threat of overgrown Tarantula Hawks
>expecting the engine to allow you to jump hills
>implying Vegas didn't actually add variety to quests
>towns aren't comical and still manage to be somewhat interesting
>not liking how we don't just die in a water purifier and then pay money to wake up again

>shotguns are useless

I understand this is probably just baiting, and it's an opinion, but you're dumber than a box of rocks.

I modded my game to give the King 10 charisma.

>>Mr New Vegas sounds like an aged queen
Don't you fucking shit talk Wayne Newton you fucking faggot.

>I never said Obsidian directly made the old Fallouts.
Can I see the medal you won at the Olympics? Your ability to backflip is most impressive.

>complaining about VATS
>compared to 3's "fall through the fucking floor into the void" VATS

It's not backflipping at all. I didn't say "Obsidian made the original fallouts". But please, keep focusing on that because you have nothing else to argue about and spout meme shit like "go back to tumblr, huuuurr" since you're so amazing at shitposting.

>I didn't say "Obsidian made the original fallouts"
You implied it, either through ignorance or incompetence. Perhaps a more supportive internet community would be a better place for you to clutch your dislocated anus.

I like how your character is good at shooting rifle-grip weapons and pistol-grip weapons, instead of guns and energy weapons.
I always thought that guns and e weapons should be replaced by "rifles" and "pistols" and weapon efficacy should take those, in addition to repair for guns and science for energy weapons, into consideration.

Freddy Mercury is fucking awesome, that's not an insult you massive faggot.

No, I didn't. Again, your inability to argue anything other than my "mistake" is laughable. Whatever, I'm done for the night. Enjoy taking the last word since you clearly want to show me what for by hurling some other childish meme insult. :-)

>good at shooting rifle-grip weapons and pistol-grip weapons

what are you even talking about

no game ever made distinction between the two

>an aged queen
>queen
>not even capitalized
Maybe you should learn how to use your words properly, you stupid cunt.

Fallout 4 does.
Your weapon skills are unarmed, melee, pistol-grip, rifle-grip, explosives, and big guns.

There's a lot of Independent/House content because doing those routes doesn't necessarily immediately provoke NCR. You're operating on the NCR turf, but that doesn't mean you have to follow their path. You just play another role, that's it.

Oh fuck wrong thread I thought this was the "4 did a few things right" thread.

Yes, yes, scurry off to reset your router and come back to disagree with me as some "other" guy.

Or perhaps you're stuck with a static IP, in which case you'll sit there seething while trying to resist the urge to reply to me.

>skills

I'm not him, fucker.

See?

>Las Vegas is literally a fucking desert and there are only literally three (3) blocks of urbanized area to it.
That's what your picture shows, the rest are trailer parks and carboard american houses that would had been destroyed by lack of maintenance.

That picture contains pretty much the entirety of Las Vegas. The divergent point in Fallout timeline is just after WWII. The only modern real casino that might have been standing back then in some form or another is The Flamingo, and the surrounding area was not nearly as developed. Evidently, Fallout's New Vegas developed quite differently from that point on, and a lot of what might have been developed (which at this point, is entirely hypothetical) could have been destroyed by bombs or over 200 years of disrepair and degradation. Then there's the tidbit that everything is drastically scaled down.

>everything is drastically scaled down
The real-life area covered by the game world is like ten thousand square miles and i want to mod the game to a 1:1 scale