Why did these two terrible games get a free pass?

I thoroughly enjoyed both.

Except TOOT's multiplayer. That sucked major dick.

>it's an "user pretends to hate a game because it sparks discussion better than talking positively about it" episode

Pic related.
That's all I got for you, faggot.

>liking wolfenshits basic as fuck stealth
Kys

Cred Forums Pass user since October 2016.

This desu, if you stealthed most of the game you're a faggot

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>stealth needs to be complicated to be fun

>if you didn't play it as "STAND BACK I'LL FRAG THIS CHARLIE" like me you're a faggot

You're both wrong and suck dicks.

I mean high quality as in production value
these big budget games have top notch sound, animation, art assets etc not gameplay systems
>TNO
>doesn't cling to COD's tired standards
>forego any cinematic bullshit
i'm not sure if you played it or not

TNO = Great story, setting and characters. Ho-hum gunplay and stealth.

DOOM = Who cares about the story and setting or even the sub-par tacked on multiplayer,, it's just so fun to play.

OP is a faggot.

>I'm not sure if you played it or not
Sometimes people tell me Doom never had a story and isn't riddled with monster closets too. You just can't help some people and accept they are huge faggots. TNO and Doom were great.

The gameplay in TNO was good.

The rest of the game was shameless filler and padding, and trying to ADD DEPTH to a series that doesn't need to be anything more than shooting nazis who are messing around with the occult.

>jew iron man armor and nazis on the moon
>in a game where the MC bitches and moans about war every five minutes
It doesn't work both ways

I think you're thinking of a different game

TNO plays like a classic fps and never puts cinematic shit before its gameplay, so I'm sorry but I don't think you know what you're talking about

Anybody explain to me what happened to Frau Engle? played a second time didn't notice any different ending

not sure what point you are trying to make but TNO could have just been renamed COD: alternate history nazi warfare and nobody would have batted an eye but because it is a wollfenstein game that makes it good somehow?
It really doesn't

Bait

good argument

Liar

Clearly you haven't played it

Anyone that thought TNO was better than Doom is a complete and utter faggot.

We all pirated Wolfenstein so it sort of got a pass, but it got shit on back in the day, I remember people complaining about the moonbase and the final boss of OB

I thought Doom was shit but loved TNO

she runs off after her bubi is murdered

she escapes justice, her only punishment is being left with a face nobody else will ever love

>TNO
>shit
kill yourself

so its confirmed that its just one autist that spams every thread saying that the new id games are shit right?

>Cred Forums says doom will suck and be like every other FPS made these days
>Cred Forums now think its overrated and isn't old school enough and has a shit story

you should know you can't win with Cred Forums

if you think these two games are shit then you have horrible taste

>liking stealth as basic as "crouch walk around these blind guards and pop them all in the head or do a pre baked contextual takedown, ie as basic as it gets
Again, kys. You've probably never played a good stealth game in your life.

Cred Forums Pass user since October 2016.

they thought nudoom would turn out like dnf but it didn't so they are mad

Nudoom's terrible marketing didn't help it

>lets advertise nothing but our shitty outsourced multiplayer mode that plays like Halo-lite
I really hope someone got fired for that

>Cred Forums Pass user since October 2016.

lol wut

>They didnt run and gun
you are all fags

>Cred Forums Pass user since October 2016

What is this

I beat it twice on uber actually
the whole game is modern shootan to a tee
really only 3 types of enemies
>peaking from behind cover to shoot at anything
>hit and miss tacked on stealth sections
>mashing use constantly to pick up all the ammo
>completely linear setpiece levels with enemies that spawn in one after another for mundane controlled encounters
>loads of cutscenes and other story crap shoved down your throat every chance they get
it's like nobody wants to acknowledge the flaws here

also didnt help that the demo/beta was so trash
everything was shaping up for that game to be pure dogshit

>TNO plays like a classic fps and never puts cinematic shit before its gameplay
Are you serious? You were doing narrative shit for most of the game

Cred Forums Pass user since October 2016.

Beyond the typical contrarians and people still hurt people didin't like Doom 3 as much as they did, some shitposters are (or where) just railing on it because of Denuvo, others because they didn't have the specs for it, with the rest just assuming it would be shit because of the underwhelming mutliplayer beta/release.
And then we have the genuine autism of those that have been playing mods and .wads tied to the original Doom for over 20 years in some cases, and to that investment, obviously nothing is going to compare.

have you actually been playing the multiplayer?
It's literally UT with but with glory kills and loadouts
It controls identically to the SP, except other players and no monsters.
My only complaint is that player progression is just kinda there, but it's nice knowing when higher level guys are in your server.
It's a blast, especially with Deathmatch and demon free modes now available.
Have not had this much fun mowing down noobs since UT3
People saying it sucks need to get good

>every game with stealth elements needs to be thief
I didn't play tno for a riveting immersive stealth game, and the fact you're holding it to the standards of a genre that's dedicated solely to the stealth element proves how dramatically skewed your standards are

people contradicting someone writing it off as being irredeemable garbage for having flaws isn't the same as not acknowledging that it has flaws

>having a narrative is the same as being cinematic
Come on, son.

>Cred Forums pass user since october 2016
I hope to god this isn't some Gold Account type tomfoolery, because it looks like the perfect samefag identifier.

What do you mean? No one likes Doom 3

So then what are you judging it as?

Well there's plenty of cutscenes and non-interactive sections

Cred Forums Pass user since October 2016.

Both are really good you little faggot.

the reviewing climate has changed a lot since 2004
it seems to me that everyone including the reviewers "professional" or not will be blinded by the hype bandwagon rather than acknowledge any flaws in case they piss off fanboys these days

It sounds to me like you don't have a real argument to put forward.

Nice meme

Cred Forums Pass user since October 2016.

Haven't played Doom.

If you don't like TNO, you have shit taste.

Nice "nice meme" meme

>writing it off as being irredeemable garbage for having flaws isn't the same as not acknowledging that it has flaws
It has enough flaws to the point of being a bad game
simple enough for you?

Too simple. A basic statement that means absolutely nothing.

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>28 hours
It's that easy?