Arkham Batman vs. Solid Snake

Batman relies on stealth and planning. Since the chances of sneaking up on Snake are near nonexistent, in a straight up fight Batman would lose. He's has lost countless times to people less than Snake. Not to mention Snake is a super soldier with inhuman reflexes, speed and strength.

Nigga CQC is described as so unbelievably fucking effective it was unfair and SS never used it until MGS4 because of nanomachines of course that's just a gameplay excuse but that means lorewise CQC vs someone not trained in CQC isn't even close to fair

and no batmans martial arts don't count because they're all stupid except maybe judos tosses and throat punches in general and basically batman is just fucking up minorities and cleverly exploiting weaknesses

plus u really think batmans gonna check a box why the fuck would someone hide in a box

In a universe where batman and solid both exist, wouldnt batman know cqc?

CQC no

not unless he knew big boss or if this fight takes place during MGS4 where everyone knows it depends on the year u wanna put the fight at

early 2000s is best snake, he doesn't give a fuck

later snake is 2009 snake who uses stealth camo and doesn't give a fuck

MGS4 snake has octosuit and back compress

CQC was super unknown until way late in the MGS timeline so if batman were to know CQC it would have to be batman beyond Vs old snake and his octosuit and NANO MACHINES

should we make a chart and make this different batmans vs different snokes?

>no prep time
bet on snek

batman h2h is more impressive and he does have better technology

Comic Bats would most likely win, but since OP says Arkham Batman I'd give it to Snake.
Though Snake would have few bloody broken bones after the encounter.

CQC was always some basic shit that rekt only noobs, and in a way that was not believable. Ocelot pretty much learned it during Snake Eater and was pretty much on par with Snake by the time of their last encounter.

When Volgin said it was some kind of Judo, he wasn't wrong. It's like Judo with some disarm techniques.

It would not be a problem for Batman whatsoever.

Snake kills. Batman doesnt. There is no fight. Batman needs to plan, Snake wings everything.

Batman isnt even the toughest/strongest DC hero, Flash is.
Snake>Batman

prep time is a meme. Bats is trained and knowledgeable in everything worth knowing, plus some. You could throw him in any situation naked, and he'd adapt and survive.

CQC is literally a developed system of "beat everyone"

It's only counter is knowing CQC

the boss could beat a dude shooting lightning out of his dick with her bare hands

BB was still relatively a novice during snake eater and his system was novice shit which is why he got chaos dunked in mgs4

>CQC is literally a developed system of "beat everyone"

>It's only counter is knowing CQC
this made me laugh.

>the boss could beat a dude shooting lightning out of his dick with her bare hands

Volgin relied on powers to fight. Sure he got caught with some surprise slams, but he shrugged them off and was eventually beaten by guns and weapons, not hand to hand combat.

Solid Snake didn't use CQC because he didn't want to have anything to do with Big Boss.

Once BBs files all got declassified, everyone started using CQC, so Snake decided to use it to compete.

It's not cos its super-duper crazy powerful.

lore was naked cqc only european extreme

snake killed like 50 metal gears, he can probably take out that retarded batmobile.

Arkham batman has a tank.
Solid Snake defeats tanks with grenades.
Arkham Batman has effective means to take on multiple armed foes.
Solid Snake is a master of every type of firearm and knows CQC.
Arkham Batman wears a gay cape.
Solid Snake is the single greatest soldier of all time and only old age could get him, when it snuck up on him while he was young because he never would have expected the spanish inquisition.

you can't CQC volgin when he's driving the shagohod. you have to shoot him

that's what you think

Is it Arkham Knight Batman? With the enhanced power suit that makes him down 4 criminals in an instant?

Anyway any version of Bats should be able to deal with a regular soldier with close combat training

Let's be real, CQC, when looking at MGS as a game, is just a fleshed out version of what you could do in MGS1. Chokes and slams were something you could do in MGS1. The stuff added to it in MGS3 is not far outside of MGS1 Solid Snake's skill set. Maybe he would need some practice but the basics are there.

That being said, you are right, it was Big Boss that was the master of it, so CQC shouldn't enter the convo at all, because we're discussing a supposed young Solid Snake here.

>1st fight

It will be revealed that Batman boobytrapped the whole military base.

>2nd fight
It will be revealed that Batman spent 3 years in the amazon jungle training, and thus is equal or better than Snake.

>3rd fight

Same as round 1.

That's how Batman works in the comics

Nah man nothin beats CQC

it's more is too stronk so they gotta gimp out snakes so that big boss isn't chain CQCing the entire map like in PW

Reminder that Batman has all sort of gadgets, a bulletproof and damage resisting suit while Snake only has 1 or 2 guns at his disposal

There is no prep time. Also it's worth noting that this jungle fight is stupid. BB is the one experienced in the jungle, not SS.

>batman uses detective vision
>sees snake hiding in crate
>throws ice grenade and freezes him
snake won't even get close enough to get his ass beat by batman's superior combat skill

snake is just a copy of a regular guy, who really wasnt even that amazing of a soldier, especially now that it turns out he didnt do half the shit people knew him for.

supposedly he has the shitty genes of boss too, or recessive genes or whatever.

batman has like, ridiculous fucking karate training and cqc big boss knew only like 4 moves and half of them involved choking the guy out from behind so

Have you even played Arkham ?

Batman has a ridiculous amount of gadgets one of which is super powerful X-Ray vision that could easily spot snake hiding in a box.
Even if CQC was SOMEHOW able to trump years of Ninja training and mastery of every fighting style known to man it wouldnt matter because batman has more ways to disable his opponents outside of his fist,

Arkham bats wins hands down.

SS learned CQC in FOXHOUND from BB making him the only proficient one left on earth, since BB was rebuilt like a Lego man and everyone else only knows about it from books making them weak ass niggas and ocelot doesn't count that was just dumb as hell

Then it will be revealed that Batman ACCIDENTALLY boobytrapped the military base and city block.

You can't take away Batman's ridiculous prep-time. It's like pitting Superman agaisnt someone, and saying "oh the sun is not there". That's his super power.

>karate training

Batman literally knows every single martial art in existence plus a made-up one created by the League of Shadows

Without plot armor, batman pretty much loses to a lot of people.

Batman is a really shit superhero

even when he loses he wins

But it's arkham, not comics.

Kek, he actually thinks that in a straight fight, Snake would win.

MAYBE regular, mainstream DC universe Batman (though bear in mind, this is a dude who can hold his own against Deathstroke and the likes of Lady Shiva). But certainly not Arkham Batman. That version of Batman is the most physically powerful version of him. This is a dude who regularly punches titan mutants to unconsciousness.

SO? Fair point, but what's gonna happen, Snake will be forced by bats into unleashing his CQC, and it won't be enough.

>and ocelot doesn't count that was just dumb as hell

No, what was dumb was CQC somehow making Snake unstoppable against everyone, and nobody knowing how to fight. Ocelot picking it up was not that unbelievable considering his smarts, and actual skill level (was revealed as hiding who he was at the end).

except that time he let Robin die to Joker...
and that time Scarecrow revealed his identity to everyone and Gotham almost fell apart...

Or that time he fought all those mutants in the junkyard got fucked up and later couldn't stop joker from killing a shitload of people then committing suicide.

and snake regularly defeats bipedal tanks with nuclear launch capabilities with small arms and hip tosses giant Eskimos to unconsciousness

and that time he made all those girls turn into birds

CQC is the dumbest shit ever. It's just basic martial arts that apparently trumps everything.

I have to go with Batman. He can manage to defeat a crowd, he can handle one skilled man.

muh edge dark one off non canon series ft a guest artist from Spawn

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>implying Batman doesn't have military training
Meanwhile we know Snake is pretty stupid when it comes to anything outside of soldiering.

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SS is a genius and speaks like 12 languages

BB is the dumb one who believes in Santa Claus

I can see Batman and Big Boss having kind of a Ra's Al Ghul, League of Shadows thing going on.

>regular soldier

I think you're the dumb one who doesn't believe

>stupid with stuff outside soldiering
wont deny that but we're talking about a fight not about who'd pick up the most chicks.
>>implying batman doesnt have military training
I do believe he doesn't. Yeah. Unless you have a source saying otherwise?

Wtf is wrong with you guys? Cqc is just some made up bs. The guy basically hits with his palm and chokes blind and deaf guards from behind. Batman has smoke ,all kinds of gadgets knows various types of martial arts (krav maga equals cqc). No matter how hard snake is trying to hide , batman has the upper hand and hes a master of stealth too.

WHO WOULD HIDE IN A BOX

NOBODY WOULD CHECK A BOX

and that's when he strikes

CQC is some made up bs. Solid Snake is some made up bs. Batman is some made up bs.

This entire scenario is made up bs. The only way to gauge who wins isn't to ignore certain elements of made up bs, but to figure out whose made up bs is stronger than the other's.

You can't take away prep time in a fight against Batman, the most you can limit it to is absolutely stupid shit he set up years ahead of time and practically forgot about.

>not believing in Santa Claus

arkham batman has xray vision

Giving batman prep time is the only way to make it a relatively fair fight.

The only way to balance Solid Snake's ability to improvise is to give Batman prep time.

Lets make a list of who Batman has defeated who stayed defeated (with no outside help from anyone else):
Ok, not let's make a list for Snake:

Liquid Snake
Big Boss
Venom Snake
Ocelot
Vulcan Raven
Grey Fox (I don't count Cyborg Ninja, shit is not Fox)
Out sniped Sniper Wolf, the best sniper ever
The Patriots
Beauty and Beast unit (as a fucking old ass man, no Terry McGinnis Snake for David)

Fuck the list goes on, I can't even remember all the names.

Also, let's look at threats. Which of Batman's villains threaten the world - None. Can't count Justice League or we can bring in all the extended MGverse too.

Snake's world enders: Every main boss.

Snake wins. Hard.

And this is coming from a Batfan too.

Solid Snake is Big Boss's genetic son, so /thread

Batman couldn't take out Bane, he has 0 chance against SS

It's like you are forgetting Batman doesn't kill and Gotham authorities are shit, of course his enemies will keep getting back.

Arkham Knight Scarecrow could be a world threat too (if there wasn't a Superman in that universe, of course).

He took him out in all of his fights, at least at the end (remember, we are considering Arkham Batman only).

Gee it's almost like it's in a video game where things like that aren't supposed to be taken seriously.

How the fuck did Slade kill Flash. That's bullshit

Yeah, he did all that with the proper weapons and equipment.

I thought we were talking h2h, in which case, Arkham Batman destroys him.

Remember that time Batman beat Karate Kid 1v1 (Karate Kid being a super hero from the future who's mastered every form of martial arts that exists in the 31st century, including alien martial arts.)?

Remember that time Batman snuck up on Superman, the guy who can hear a heartbeat a mile away?

Batman at his best beats Snake. Batman at his worst loses to Snake. Trying to discuss a Comic Book Character's power levels is retarded because they fluctuate more than Cred Forums's opinions on what makes a good video game.

Also all this Solid Snake dick sucking is hilarious.

Not the point.

You can stop people without killing them. Snake does it too based on player choice - using cpc for instance.

You can complain about Gotham cops when snake has to deal with the whole world alone more or less. His only friend is Otacon.

Batman is a comic book character who's famous for his villains, the don't go away for good not because Batman is incompetent, but because they're just too damn popular. It's a difference in mediums, and you're an idiot for counting that against Batman.

Snake is one of the most competent hand-to-hand combatants in his universe.
Batman isn't in his.
Snake wins.

>comics are inconsistent
Wow, who would've guessed?
Remember that time Karate Kid, a guy with absolutely no superpowers, split a continent with "lol it's karate, I ain't gotta explain shit"?

He has super karate.

Snake is also famous for his villains, but he isn't psychologically dependent on them for identity or validation, and can actually take lives if he has to.

Batman is shit tier by comparison. The only reason he is ever held up as a contender is cause everyone is all "muh mary sue best bats"

>This whole fucking thread

Alright guys, I love SS as much as the next guy, but Batman is on an entire different level.

Batman has a counter for anything Snake could possibly bring to the table. There is not a single area that Snake is superior to him in.

Bats has survived encounters with New Gods, dodged physically undodgable attacks, regularly beaten a super powered immortal with literally centuries of combat experience, snuck up on a man who can hear a watch buzz through the vacuum of fucking space, and supported an entire wing of a collapsing building with his bare hands.

Thanks for reminding me that cape comics are fucking awful and the insane shit in MGS is reasonable in comparison