[distant mooing]

>pew pew pew *pop*
>SENTRY DOWN!

>that constant ambient kind of whoosing sound
You can't beat it.

No one knows for sure.

[sounds of fun]

tf2 is the king of white noise
youtube.com/watch?v=wUIX-dmDrOs

>gibus teammate has stupid loadout and questionable upgrades
>"hey man that's not gonna work in MvM"
>"it's cool dude I've played this mode before and it might work"

I thought you could play Mann Up with only surplus boutcher thing fucking kike valve

>TF2 without gunboats, kritz, reflect
People.claiming old tf2 was good never actually played nuTF2. The game got better, and you're just too shit to even comprehend it.
Stick to overwatch kiddo

>mfw the halloween version of 2fort changed literally nothing about the map design
Anything would have improved the map. For fucks sake, even the pumpkin bombs they added improved the map by worsening most of the popular sentry spots.

>Saxton Hale mode
>play as scout
>last one alive
>hale is after me
>fails to jump and lands on the road
>run nigger run!
>everyone in the chat cheers me on

And then the faggot hale rages me and plummets into the shadow zone

>convoy and balloon race
>tfw

[sounds of zapping, screaming, and muffled laughter underneath the bridge]

There was no Halloween version of 2fort

>someone else enjoys making 2fortbabbies cry with pyroshark
My brother from another mother

How is Scream Fortress 2016 going to play out? The last ones worked because servers had map rotations. Are they going to change it to work with the one-round games we get through matchmaking now?

>Be a gibus player
>Buy all the correct upgrades
>Get votekicked regardless because 'lel gibus'

>The game got better
You calling what TF2 is now "nuTF2" indicates that you're retarded and you never actually played old TF2

This update will save TF2!

If there's mannup mode, there can be a tank & planes mode!

OO AH OH, OO AH OH

I'm hoping, but not expecting, that this scream fortress will also be the new pyro update.

hey may be talking about the alien version

dig dug

MEEEEEH DIIIIIK!

>be f2p
>instantly give valve money to be no longer f2p
>don't ever play Valve Official Servers and never get gibus
>eventually get into tf2 trading
>friend gives me a few ref for free
>but some hat's
>eventually unlock gibus
Never once put it on. Heh heh heh.

What a shitty story.

Played on Xbox since 2007, PC since 2009.
Pre-F2P TF2 was great. I love the new weapons and balancing (Big Earner is life),
but the community just festered incredibly due to the big change. So many people can just
come into your hometown and have no respect for anything, they have no investment. Why should they care?

I had a kid on my team whose name and profile pic were Tracer and all he did was talk about Overmeme and complain about spies.
We played two rounds on Upward and he only finished with 11 points. He knew next to nothing and contributed fuck all to the game.
And then you have hardcore ePeen faggots who either shill hard, or
>lel I haven't spent a single dollar on this game
and are showered in usuals and aussie weapons.

Pre-2011 TF2 had a great community due to there being no quickplay system. You looked on the Source server browser, did your filters, picked one that looked good.
You'd find your stock maps, your community maps, and fun gamemodes like Zombie Fortress to boot. Anything. Communities were healthy, mapping communities were alive and well.
Quickplay was the wrench thrown into our works. It was an awesome tool that let you just jump in, no filtering about. Sounded pretty nice up until it smothered communities by redirecting all that traffic away.
Now if you don't want to be votekicked off a pub for not following through with >let's all rush as medic xDD
You have to do that on Skial or No Heroes, all those smaller communities have no reason to be around anymore.

I started playing on PC a month before hats dropped. I could see the fire rising, even back then. Now I'm just engulfed in bitterness.
Old TF2 isn't about the game being better, it's about when we had people that actually cared about the game, and it was something we all shared.

>Heavy thinks he can punch me to death
>wears the metal gauntlets to resist damage
>one shot him with the sign
His mistake was getting wet

>only 3 health packs on the entire map
>flag is deep within the enemy base
>impossible to get to flag without passing my enemy spawn

> first unusual ever after playing tf2 since 2012
I LIKE IT

I fucking loved me some balloon race. Balloon Race V2 had gedan at the start of every game too. Balance might have been total shit due to snipers but it was still some entertaining shit.

>tf2 threads popping up
Did I miss something?

I used to just rocket/sticky jump through the hole into the second floor. You pass by the spawn door, but it's worked so many times.
>3 health packs
There's six, 3 on each side

terrible map

show em

>pyro mains

This video is so autistic but
>These 1v1 matches
>Coupled with a micspam orchestra
I made a lot of friends this way and i still talk to them despite not playing TF2 anymore.
Friendly reminder it'll soon be ten years since the game's release.

...

youtube.com/watch?v=KS3ANTUOevY nostalgia

>mic spam is dead outside of a few select servers that keep it enabled

Rest In Peace. At least you could use an AUX cable or virtual audio cable to play shit.

I sank so much time of my life into this game.
I don't regret any of it senpai.

I play Demoknight in MVM just to piss people like you off.

Have a morning.

>it got delayed
>again

Pyro is cute and helpful do not bully

>i could've been one of the autists with 20000$ backpacks
>i could've been an admin at the cool kids club
>instead i went full retard

>pyro
>helpful
he can't even spycheck though
his ONE job is done better by scout

Why did the TF2Wiki twitter stop updating?

>lighting huntman arrows
>removing sappers from sentries
>can put out team mates on fire

The game is still quite fun if you avoid the rather obnoxious fanbase that it's garnered.

I'd stick to private servers and community servers. You'll run into the occasional power abusing badmin, or advertisement spam central, but more often than not you'll find good people on good servers. Also, MYM isn't that bad once you get used to it.

It sucks that the game is only a fraction of what it used to be, but after 10 years, it's been a hell of a ride. I wouldn't change a thing to be honest.

I haven't played regularly in a while, why can't pyro spycheck now?
Also he can still counter ubers, put fires out from teammates, remove sappers, and light huntsman arrows.

>lighting huntman arrows
huntsman sniper is a wasted slot
>removing sappers from sentries
so can another engineer who could be putting down his own sentry and dispenser while also being able to block more spam than you with sc
>can put out team mates on fire
so can a dozen other weapons, healthkits, medics, and dispensers

>why can't pyro spycheck now?
majority of spies now use dead ringer which makes them go as fast as scout on activation and several seconds of complete fire invulnerability.

Spotted the W+M1 faggot.

Personally I don't think it's possible to balance pyro for both pubs and comp.
After all, shitters were crying about pyro being op when the game released, when pyro was at his absolute worst.

Only if Valve has literally nothing to do with it and has no creative control or limitations impressed on them. Too bad that'll never happen and the game will be forever run by fucking kikes that don't even play the goddamn game anymore.

Hard mode: go to the Valve steam group and find at least 5 people that have anywhere close to 100 hours. Robin doesn't count. He's gone.

>playing pyro
>at all

It's not about classes or sub-clases
Im saying almost everyone on MvM are bunch of useless retards that cannot do shit

If you go Demoknight in a wave full of Pyros and Soldiers and do a good job, I won't say anything, you did a good job.

But that's never the case

r8 my pub loadout

>nuTF2
The game is a fucking nightmare balance wise, what are you on about?

>implying anyone even checks the TF2Wiki Twitter
I didn't even know it existed until now to be honest.

>duck memes
>the notrocketjumper
>furry
End yourself immediately

Post that sign

>the notrocketjumper
So I wasn't the only one noticing alot of people abusing that skin?
Fuck. I hate people who are doing that

>Default loadout
its good

>In the next couple of months
So never
yeah thanks I'll lower my expectations

daily reminder

>TF2's visuals and animations are so nice that literally all you need is a basic plot, music, and some nice camera angles and you can make pure kino

>i now have nostalgia for tf2
What went wrong, Cred Forums?

forgot about the 3 try hards that vote kick you on the 6th round just for giggles m8

Nostalgia results from good times.

Too bad we'll never get anymore of those from this game.

Is there any vanilla server that doesn't allow any update after pyromania? After that TF2 became pure shit.

>0/24

he might mean the invasion version

[dueling banjos playing]

I never played the game and I don't think I ever will, but that sounded like a very nice experience. It was not bound to last anyway, all large comunities of popular videogames end up turning to shit.

what went wrong

Eh, shit.
I miss this game but it sucks so hard now.
Last time I got any news from it, I heard that Sniper wasn't a real aussie.
I mean, what the fuck?

> Valve
> Important
Do they even do anything important now?
It's all DOTA 2 and Counter Strike shit with a dash of VR fuckery nobody likes

>>lighting huntman arrows
in what situation is this ever useful
>>removing sappers from sentries
literally another engineer
>>can put out team mates on fire
so can just about everything else, he just does it with a single click

He's a New Zealander

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>soldier
>aiming

I see some titties back there

Try hitting scouts in mid air with the direct hit

So he's a kiwi now...
Kiwis are alright but I feel betrayed still

Let's make new memories together user.

Overwatch is nothing like TF2, though.

Compared to everyone else?
>Heavy and pyro just have to look in the enemy's general direction
>Engineer builds a gun to aim for him
>Spy primarily uses melee
>Medic has lockon

>a single class is bad in all game modes and situations
>soldier>aiming
Sniper has uses

good eye or maybe its because Im drunk that I missed it

for every good sniper there's a hundred bad ones

So you're saying you don't know the name of those titties?

The community will make many great models for weapons and maps and cosmetics.

They will pack it all in a nice little bow and send it to Valve for final testing.

They will chop up everything and only ship out the cosmetics and 1 map. Also a stupid gimmick will be attached to the update.

BONUS DUCKS.

They won't add the new maps because they will be too confusing for new players

They just added swiftwater like 2 month ago

I dunno, it's close enough to atleast fill the void in my heart since 2010.

Eeveryone, I am on fiire!

Hello?

Valve guts the community updates so hard because of their fears of stolen content. They can't verify it all so they only stick with content made from a select few trusted creators.

>soldier doesn't have to aim

wow how the fuck does white noise have me nostalgic as fuck right now.

THIS IS SCOUT

RAINBOWS MAKE ME CRY

OVER

Very bad.

Nice sign tho

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>tfw sniper actually is from new zealand now

I feel like the game started slowly going downhill after the Meet the Medic update. I know people argue that it got worse even earlier than that, but this is just from my perspective.

I've also never liked MvM and wish they didn't have it in the game. The addition of weapon skins was also somewhat of a nail in the coffin.

>The addition of weapon skins was also somewhat of a nail in the coffin.
Kinda agree.
They look like shit to me.

> that one game you always played when shitfaced

TF2 isn't all that bad, just casual easy fun

tf2 wasn't even similar to tfc at release

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This, TF2 was the one game I could piss away hours on and never get mad at.

At this point even facebook memes are funnier than lenny. When will this cancer fucking die.

f2p

user you GLORIOUS fuck. I remembered this video existed months ago and have been looking for it ever since, but could never remember the name. You have brought me much joy in your post.

>9 years
Fuck me, the nostalgia is justified.

ALL THAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU

Cred Forums give me a new loadout. I've been playing gunboats soldier for 2 weeks straight and I need something that is actually difficult to play.

>tfw the only time I play TF2 anymore is when I'm shitfaced

>tfw engineer on 2fort
youtube.com/watch?v=cyZh6_C4k54

Enjoy your twitch garbage lenny kappa kappa kappa.

Cow mangler with katana and mantreads

>tfw thinking you backpack was worth something and finding out it's only $20 at best

black box
concheror
pain train

I've been playing a shitload of terraria lately while drinking

not sure why, it's just comfy to be completely on my own (other than NPCs obviously) just building shit, growing shit and listening to LotR Shire music

I got a few games out of selling my stranges two years ago. Kinda curious how many kills are on my rocket and sticky launcher now.

Demoman
Any nade launcher/sticky jumper/skullcutter

preferably on maps with lots of jumpin room, like lakeside

[distant clanking of metal on metal]

I said something difficult

The game is still great, and people still care
TF2 mapping community is pumping out more than it ever has
the comp scene just got a whole lot of talent into invite
if you didn't watch tip of the hats you're probably unaware that there are still passionate good people still playing tf2

just have to know how to find it

The direct hit is almost always inferior to every other option barring the jumper

What are you talking about? Direct hit is the ONLY other rocket launcher that sees use in high level play. It can be good for countering really aggressive teams and punishing players that are out of position. Plus one shotting scouts is pretty nice.

This is the stupidest TF2-related post I have ever read

@353621915
b8

getting / seeing your team airshot is like an on the spot no commitment bj

being / watch your team get airshot is like stubbing an already broken toe

See ya next year!

what is an ambassador

Who knows

Sad but so true.

Stolen content isn't the issue. Even though it's from a few creators, it's simply because of their skill. Also new people have cycled in while old ones have cycled out of the scene.

[snoring]

I don't give a fuck what anyone says, Mandrill Maze is the best map

I just miss the active community servers. Now they're a shadow of their former self. Had some great times playing with people who actually knew what they were doing, would talk on the mic, and actually played for the objective.

Now those times are gone, or at least very far and few between. Ah well.

Fuck you cyberpunk is better.
But Mandrill Maze is still god tier.

a friend got this game and we'd both played since the orange box release
there's no skill, no spirit, no pacing. the rock/paper/scissors setup is replaced by the 'everything at once' setup of mobas but without the limitations they put on you, meaningt hat you have an absolute mess of a game with few direct counters, and as a result, everyone just does their own thing with really no purpose or niche in the most 'everything can work' scenario imaginable
it really is just shooting eachother for a few games and then you stop. reminds me of killing floor going into killing floor 2. mechanics, tricks, and tactics are out the window in favour of making it larger and more appealing, with so much more in it wow theres so many characters.
he stopped playing not that long after release. patches didn't help.

What happened to TF2?

weapon skins are just like kf2 and siege. oh look at csgo making millions of dollars from their hats. what shall we do? hmmmm how about exactly the same thing in our unpopular and crippled game with an extinct or nonexistent economy yes that will be perfect i am sure we will get millions of dollars. good job my fellow corporate executives we have made a good game.

That's just fucking evil.

Like I understand experienced players might get irritated dealing with the lesser ones but nowadays it seems like too many high-level players go a step beyond and go out of their way to make everyone miserable.

youtube.com/watch?v=kbdtBLD8Lbg

>tfw they used to make shit like this
>now they just make hats and print money
and that still isn't enough for them, they gotta try to make paid mods a reality.
they've lost their way so fucking hard, dude.

youtube.com/watch?v=-6NQx4WRRg0

All these old melodies will always be a classic.

I know how much everyone wants or says for TF2 to die, but it's really fortunate it's still active. Just imagine if the severs finally went out and you'd never be able to go back.

All things come to pass eventually. The tough part is letting go, which is why the movie UP, while being pretty so-so overall, has a really strong message and story in Carl's story with his wife and their dream.

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I carry pubs with Sniper

>Engineer
>Self respect
Pick one please

A pipe dream, but if I ever make a big server co-op game (think EYE), instead of a lobby screen there will be cyberpunk/mario kart styled maps to kill time while people join, this style of map is dying without the old source game communities, someone needs to remember them

>Gunboats
>Relevant
???

>gunboats
Faggot detected

Does anyone know some good ctf rotation servers that have players at night or the day?

Best if near canada but anywhere US is fine too.

>put gibus on sniper
>jump on 2fort and bodyshot the enemy snipers
>taunt after every bodyshot kill
>watch them fly in to a fit of autistic rage
Great game honestly

pootis pootis pootis pootis Pootis Pootis Pootis POOTIS POOTIS

That was the first modded map I played.
I assume the same for everyone else?

honestly the best fucking map. the music genuinely got me into it too.

Exactly this never would have found it again much relief

...

Someone could legitimately make a game out of the Wacky Races or Balloon Race maps and I'd play the hell out of it if it had decent balance.

>BONUS DUCKS.
Truly the beginning of the end.

Good times. That, Cyberpunk, and Balloon Race.

My niggas

Absolute best map
>Spawn camping people in their car
>Enemies who dont know to shoot the front of the enemy car
>Being a CnD spy under the drop bridge to stop it from fully dropping
>Killing 3+ people with the cannon
>your camera being sideways for spawning on a ramp
>faggot snipers sniping you for 3000 miles away
>the bloodbath at the breakable doors part

DO YOU REMMEBER vodka

WA
CHOP
CHOP

Wacky Races and Balloon Race were payload race done right.
Even though they're hilariously unbalanced, they still feel better to play on than virtually every other plr map.

Still waiting for more MvM maps.

dont forget going backwards to the breakable doors and building a sentry nest on top of the invisible wall to shoot the enemy car after they get through

youtube.com/watch?v=Q16Kx9-Ys2s

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when will tf2 be fun again with all those great custom maps and gamemodes. i just want to travel back in time just to experience it all again

Sandwich.

if you push your sentries agressively with an alright support from your team to cover you, you're probably the most dangerous when it comes to offenssive area denial.

as long as you at least know how to fend off spies and not turtle behind the fuckin sentry.

>Reinstall TF2 for old times sake
>Look in my favorites for all the best servers
>Every single one is either dead and shut down, or 0/24 players.
>Hop onto one of the Valve-run servers
>Go 40-0 against the enemy team of 12 year old South Americans and Russians who all have 250+ ping
>Lose all interest in the game

It just isn't the same.

it is for me
>same 3 servers
>most people on servers I know from old days
>still fun
youtube.com/watch?v=j9ydI7Yi4hw

>join that server on your favorite
>that sheer loneliness of running around the map remembering all the great times and people

My teleporter contributes more to the team than your pansy ass, bitch

God damn it.

Don't forget being one of the few who could change the music

Do tell...

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Those 4 screens on top of the starting line

Each one is a song that you can pick by shooting at it

is there a Cred Forums server dedicated to all the good custom maps and gamemodes? or any server at all thats populated?

TF2 died when pic related died.

ITS

>fightingamphibians.org/
>2012

>third most played game on steam

what the fuck do you think, retard?

that site sprouted so fucking many splinter groups and relationships it's ridiculous

a crazy amount of people who went there are now fucking or married what the hell

THE

KANGZ N SHIET

What the fuck is that UNGH HUUH grunt at 22 seconds?

>tfw want to watch this again but know if I do I'll fucking cry from nostalgia

>engineers will defend this

What you SHOULD have said was
>stalling ubercharges
>reflecting projectiles

these are Pyro's unique jobs, and they don't make for a lot of playtime, but they do have their uses

Spy has actually become a counter to Pyro now every Spy is running the retard's babby loadout of Ambassador/Dead Ringer/Spycicle

>these are Pyro's unique jobs
Stalling can be done by soldier or demo
Engineer can block projectiles
Pyro really doesn't have a purpose
The only time I use him is for countering scout spam (reserve shooter)

The solution is simple, raise Pyro's skill ceiling and skill floor.

Make Pyro harder to get kills with, but more powerful in the hands of a skilled player.

This way shitters won't complain about Pyro buffs, and good players will have a reason to use it more often.

This is what pyro should be

The pyro needs a completely new playstyle in the next update. Something that will make him viable doing something other than w+m1.

Strange Wrap Assassin Scout.

Melee only, no alt-fires.

Reach Hale's Own by the end of the year.

I still wonder how the fuck the author of Cyberpunk map got to know Kap Bambino so many years ago...

>Medic!
>an old melody
>classic
Out.

But he hasn't been viable doing w+m1 for a very, very long time

It's always been w+m1+m2+2+m1, the good ol' switch to your retarded critting weapon combo, because fire is a non-issue

>Stalling can be done by soldier or demo
yes but it's magnitudes more difficult and less efficient than Pyro. It's like saying "you don't need demo and soldier for damage, Pyro has flare guns".
>Engineer can block projectiles
Block, but not reflect. Pyro can send a rocket or pill back in mini-crit form. Engineer also has less ammo available for the job than Pyro.

youtube.com/watch?v=Q16Kx9-Ys2s

now HERE'S some nostalgia

you do realize that they still release songs like that? Expiration Date for example had an extensive soundtrack, and the Competitive mode has a catchy song too

>he thinks mann up is any better

I've been playing since 2012, but super casually and only with friends. Just got back into it.
>inb4 "mobileposter get out"

W+M1 is much stronger now than ever. On top of damage buffs the falloff change increased his damage output significantly. Not enough to be consistently useful like soldier but if you can get close you can win most DPS fights.

>W+M1 is much stronger now than ever
this is untrue, early versions of Pyro had better damage and for a brief time no falloff

You win close fights by flarepunching. You don't win fights by pure fire, and fire hasn't been buffed in forever, instead getting more and more counters. Hell, fucking SPIES are good against Pyros now.

Pyro is shit w+m1 all day .
M2 anything because that takes skill
Pyro gets reserve shooter and phlog
This class is cancer and so are the shits who cant spy check or extinguish allies

>but if you can get close you can win most DPS fights.
4/8 potential opponents will kill you in close range
youtu.be/0cSgtzlhw7M?t=76
Scout fucks you over
Demo fucks you over
Heavy fucks you over
Engineer fucks you over

And this is in the ideal situation, too. You can't W+M1 into a Level 3 Sentry.

>yes but it's magnitudes more difficult and less efficient than Pyro.
Soldier and demo don't have to sac to do it. Demo can send players much further.
>Block, but not reflect. Pyro can send a rocket or pill back in mini-crit form.
What's more useful, an extra sentry and dispenser or the occasional reflect kill?
>Engineer also has less ammo available for the job than Pyro.
Engineer can reflect 13 times
Pyro can reflect 8 times with degreaser
Engineer can reflect every 0.5s
Pyro can reflect every 0.75s
Engineer is straight up better at the job

MyM isnt that bad
They removed quickplay and implemented competitive and called it casual . Ranks that mean nothing and no mor3 auto balance or server change it goes on man MYM was a mistake

No hes from atlantis

>and so are the shits who cant spy check

you literally can't spycheck as pyro at this moment

Use boston basher cleaver and baby face blaster
This loadout is shit i guarentee

Tbh direct hit is useless just learn airshots with stock
Stock is literally the best for all classes
And direct hit is fun to use now and then maybe use it to take out sentries .

Not using gunboats
Do you even rocket jump

>england
YOU ARE AN ENGLISHMAN WITH A DRESS

GREASE MONKEY

>Soldier and demo don't have to sac to do it
Depends entirely on the situation. Running Pyro does not in itself constitute sacrificing a player, it's done often on Badlands, on rare occasions even offensively to clear the control point.
>Demo can send players much further
Demo has much longer intervals between stall attempts than Pyro, and the enemy team can shoot his stickies also, or move them away with splash.
>Engineer can reflect 13 times
Engineer can't "reflect" at all you silly nonce, he can only delete. As in, the projectile ceases to exist.
Short Circuit also has a smaller sized deletion hitbox than airblast's reflection hitbox (75 deg arc as opposed to 145HU large rectangular hitbox).

I'm not sure on the maths of the ammo count following the Tough Break "-5 ammo for every projectile deleted" change, so I'll take your word for it, but I'm still pretty sure that Short Circuit has fewer reflections available.

Engineer has 50-25 less HP, no movespeed boosting item like Powerjack, and has to swap weapons away from the Short Circuit in order to be able to attack properly, whereas Pyro can simply press M1 to immediately attack.

When you need to get someone to the frontline ASAP to stall an Ubercharge or reflect a lot of incoming projectiles, Pyro is a much better option.

>[distant mooing]
Complex Motives.

>Ideal situation
No it isn't players don't fight at point blank range you tard. Demo isn't consistent at close range and neither is sniper. Nobody can win a fight against a heavy head on, 500 DPS shreds everything. Soldier is 50/50 as intended.
>And this is in the ideal situation, too. You can't W+M1 into a Level 3 Sentry.
Why would you?

Oh i forgot spy cicle and kek ringer

>Stock is literally the best for all classes

oh yes the lovely default melee weapons and secondaries

>No it isn't players don't fight at point blank range you tard
I'm saying it's Pyro's ideal situation you illiterate fucking nigger.
>Why would you?
I'm saying the existence of Sentries limits the effectiveness of W+M1, mong.

All it needed was better catch up mechanics, mostly through teleports that bring you ahead of the enemy car so you can blockade it properly.

Wacky races should be about sabotaging enemies afterall.

stock secondary on Scout, Soldier, Pyro, Demo, (barely) Sniper and Spy are all viable

stock melee on Demo, Engineer, Sniper, Spy are all viable too

agree otherwise though that some stocks can be outclassed

>Depends entirely on the situation. Running Pyro does not in itself constitute sacrificing a player
A pyro is not going to be able to get into an ubered soldiers or scouts face and live.
>Demo has much longer intervals between stall attempts than Pyro, and the enemy team can shoot his stickies also, or move them away with splash.
That's time and ammo wasted during an uber. One or two seconds is all it takes to kite the uber safely.
>Engineer can't "reflect" at all you silly nonce, he can only delete
Semantics you retard I know how short circuit works.
>Short Circuit also has a smaller sized deletion hitbox than airblast's reflection hitbox (75 deg arc as opposed to 145HU large rectangular hitbox).
Sure
>I'm not sure on the maths of the ammo count following the Tough Break "-5 ammo for every projectile deleted" change, so I'll take your word for it, but I'm still pretty sure that Short Circuit has fewer reflections available.
10 base and 5 for each projectile. 15 per reflect.
>Engineer has 50-25 less HP, no movespeed boosting item like Powerjack, and has to swap weapons away from the Short Circuit in order to be able to attack properly
He doesn't have to attack he just has to protect his teammates. Just like how pyro protects the combo in HL. Plus engineer can build sentries which are an effective 200 hp and ~200 dps added to your team as well as dispensers and teleporters.
>When you need to get someone to the frontline ASAP to stall an Ubercharge or reflect a lot of incoming projectiles, Pyro is a much better option.
Tele > Powerjack

>I'm saying it's Pyro's ideal situation you illiterate fucking nigger.
Pyros ideal situation is melting distracted players before they get a chance to react. Fuck what valve says they can't balance pyro worth a damn.
>I'm saying the existence of Sentries limits the effectiveness of W+M1, mong.
Same is true for scouts, doesn't stop him from being one of the best classes in the game.

Yeah i know what you mean like bonesaw for med is just useless when you have the uber saw

Yeah
I use the concheror and I know where the health packs are.
It's more than enough healing to fix yourself up after rocket jumps and you still have a useful secondary.

BIG

>concheror
Dont tell me you use black box too
I'd prefer shotgun/gunboats over anything

Nah I hate the meme box
My aim is bad enough with the stock, I don't want to have to reload to kill a heavy
Conch is really good in pubs though since nobody picks medic

>Can't aim with "shoot feet" gun
How
>No medics in pubs
Gunboats is better for that desu
Mobility wins fights

Oh fuck you

Shotgun is the best fucking secondary

>Lime scout thinks he's hot shit doing all sorts of crazy air strafes
>*BLAM*
>Pyro who gets in my face expecting a rocket
>*BLAM*
>Soldier jumps in my face
>*BLAM*

>all classes
The heavy shotgun is basically useless, a portable full heal is so much better
Darwin's Danger Shield allows you to not get 2-melee shot killed as sniper, and not be quick headshot
Demoknight isn't viable with a bottle.
Stock shovel is fucking useless.
Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol gives you total of 140 HP, no fall damage, and the only downside is more fire damage, but nobody fights pyro as scout
You're retarded.

What important Valve stuff? They don't do fucking anything.

I'm forced to play on chink servers. Are American servers also overrun with spy/sniper/Pyro mains or 3 engies?

Post your favorite weapon

>A pyro is not going to be able to get into an ubered soldiers or scouts face and live
Scout no, but Soldier yes, since Pyro can negate his main method of attack.
I don't know if you were watching ronin vs froyo before i58, but literally every attempt at a scout uber went terribly. It's not a good strategy and casters advise against it.
>Semantics you retard I know how short circuit works
Well clearly you don't know the meaning of the word "semantics" because you're using it wrong. If you say "reflect", which directly means in TF2 terminology that the projectile is being sent back, how would people know otherwise?
>Plus engineer can build sentries which are an effective 200 hp and ~200 dps added to your team as well as dispensers and teleporters
No, it's a choice between running out with a short circuit or building a Sentry. The way Engineer is played in 6s to limit the opportunity cost of building a Sentry is to sit in the spawn doors so he can change back to a good class at a moment's notice, because the Sentry itself took so long to build that he will have no metal to maintain it. If you're using Short Circuit you will have no Metal available if you just built a Sentry, because they will have pushed in by the time they cap.

>Tele > Powerjack
Have you played a game of 5cp in your life even in a pub? Teles are nigh useless because of the speed of point/spawn changes, Powerjack on the other hand is a reliable 15% speed boost to the front.

Done here, you are literally too retarded to understand competitive play. All further responses will not receive responses and will be shown as proof of how little you know.

Using darwins danger cancer fucking lel
Quickheadshots? Maybe you just cant snipe quick enough yourself stock bottle literally has no downsides i can demoknight with ham/pan/bottle
Nobody uses prettyboys and stock shorgun for heavy is literally just stock shotgun how is it not fucking good sandvich is shit youre immobile for a few seconds where anyone can just frag you and even if you were talking about the family buisness it has higher dps than stock shotgun and more rounds in the clip
Literally beint this bad fucking kek
You got me on the shovel though that is pretty useless

>worst game made by valve, closely followed by L4D
fite me

Man i just love when a pyro doesnt expect you to have a shotgun

I dont see how you can be pretty bad with stock user rockets are legit just aim at peoples feet like the other anons said if you use it like a Direct Hit then that's probably why

>Demoknight isn't viable with a bottle
Demoknight isn't viable anyway. Bottle, on the other hand, is a viable and not-outclassed melee weapon. All of Demo's melees have relevant downsides that would make you think twice before choosing them over Bottle, and I've seen competitive Demomen use Bottle as a self-defence weapon before.
>Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol gives you total of 140 HP, no fall damage, and the only downside is more fire damage, but nobody fights pyro as scout
Actually that was changed, it was heavily nerfed.

wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Pretty_Boy's_Pocket_Pistol

Don't call other people retarded on the subject of TF2 when you're not up-to-date on the stats.

>ricochet
>RN:GO

It's all fun and games, until Christmas rolls around and those poor/brain dead fags gets a ticket for free and Mann up mode is unplayable for at least 3-4 month.

>sandvich is shit, you're immobile
Step one: disengage
Step two: back against a walk
Step three: eat
Literally, how dumb do you have to be to think that a no-medic, no-dispenser, no-health pack full heal is shit. Lol.

>was my favorite
I'm glad that I sold my strange off a long time ago before they nerfed it to uselessness.

Because you're immobile? Literally how autistic are you eat sandwhich then proceed to get fragged. Literally just equip running gloves and get some health

>what is: team fortress classic

what's RN:GO?

>demoknight isn't viable with a bottle

Oh it absolutely is.

Hey, a comfy TF2 thread. I thought these all died out when Overwatch shoved its smegma-encrusted ass in our faces for a few months.

Are there any recommendations for Valve-like normal servers now that matchmaking took over quickplay?

>Loch n Load
>Scottish Resistance
>Eyelander
All about dem hard reads

>guitar
>Bum bum bum bum daduhdaduh dadadaduh dadada-bum bum bum buhhh

>sandvich is shit youre immobile for a few seconds where anyone can just frag you

you're a fucking retard

not only is there often ample opportunity to eat the thing, the major upside of sandvich is that you can feed it to other people, specifically your medic, which is ridiculously strong

>it's a pity party episode
Why not look for new servers instead of crying over the old ones?

Thats literally the only reason to use the sandvich you moron to heal others
Besides that its useless
You eat sandvich
Enemy sees you
Shoots you
Even if you kill the enemey you still have lost health which you then would proceed to get back by getting a health pack anyways . literally being this stupid

Baby faces blaster before getting shot reduced your speed boost

Which is already infinitely better than the shotgun. Why the fuck do you think 99% of Heavies even has the Sandvich equipped?

>Cred Forums party van fags browsing this thread RGHT FUCKING NOW

mandrill maze WAS, IS and WILL BE the best map of tf2

you type like you're severely underage

What's your region? TriggerHappyGamers and Hampshire Heavies are good in Western Europe.

Shockwave servers, run by Uncle Reddit, are supposed to be similar to the old pub experience

They've also updated casual matchmaking recently, it's not as bad any more as you can vote to have a rematch. Still not as good as old pubs though

Scout solo ubers are shit yes. You bring in a soldier first to soften them up then scout finishes them.

I explained the differences between SC and airblast earlier in the thread. Stop being a fucking autist. I used reflect for simplicity's sake that's it. Why would someone who doesn't play TF2 even read this? What's next do I have to explain what uber is too?

There's no cost to having it equipped. Let's say you're halfway done upgrading your sentry and they push. That's still 6 reflects for free.

Teles only cost 50 metal now, there's no reason not to use them in 5cp.

>Done here, you are literally too retarded to understand competitive play. All further responses will not receive responses and will be shown as proof of how little you know.
wow dude you're so mature you sure showed me.

>tfw Valve finally put Miss Pauling in game and gave her the worst VA to exist

Shock servers have dogshit admins, avoid them like the plague.

>Stock shovel is fucking useless.
DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT MY TACTICAL COMBAT SHOVEL COMMIE

It's Ashly Burch if I'm correct right?

>What's your region?
AMERICA

>Shockwave servers, run by Uncle Reddit
Sounds awful. I didn't really care about "rematches" as much as I cared about skipping the Matchmaking formalities and just playing standard TF2 with consequences. Why do I have to sit through three different wait times to do that?

It's not truly nostalgic until I hear the BEEPBEEPBEEP of the level 3 sentry.

>Remember i used to pass my days playing SLAG game mode servers
>Saxon Hale, Zombies, wario ware, deathrun
>Decide after 3-4 years to look it up and play for old times sake
>Get blasted with adds
>Admins are power hungry retards
>Filled with angsty teens
>Ask if some of the old game modes were still in the loop
>Get told my some admin that they've never had those game modes and that i'm just a newfag
>They had been playing on the same Mirrors Edge map for 2 hours
>Disconnect
It was really sad to be honest, great servers go in the shitter.

same thing happened to me with a lot of custom maps servers and mod servers. How I miss those days.

My sole remaining consolation is my 24/7 Degroot Keep Medieval Mode server, still got a good crew there.

>All the servers I used to regulate are either dead or gone

It really sucks. It's doesn't help Valve killed community servers with the Comp update either.

>but nobody fights pyro as scout
its hilarious hitting a scout using pbp with the detonator or scorch shot

>wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Pretty_Boy's_Pocket_Pistol#Update_history
>Gun Mettle update
>changed damage vulnerability from 50% fire to 20% from all sources while active

They should just give him a rocket/sticky jump using his right click with the flamethrower already with a speed limit on how fast you can travel.

Dear God, I could not find a single decent community server and casual MM isn't putting me in matches either.

Welcome to MYM. Long live TF2, right?

that would be annoying as fuck when normally reflecting projectiles though.

If you've ever used Force-A-Nature you'll understand what I mean.

I think part of the solution is making W+M1 more powerful but also require more skill. Increase the range of the Flamethrower and decrease the cone width, so it'll be like Quake's Lightning Gun.

youtube.com/watch?v=5rVhUdCYA1w

>degreaser + reserve shooter

unstoppable

>chainsaw weapon for pyro never

LotusClan dustbowl what the fuck is wrong with you people

>log into favorite 2fort community server
>2 players
>both afk

JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP FAMPAI

>LotusClan
I don't even have a reaction image for this

swap demo and soldier, put sniper with scout and demo, swap engie with pyro and spy.
Engie is literally cancer, a character so useful he is needed in many situations, but takes such little skill to play, even at high levels of play.

I think Valve's server thing has died for some reason, I suddenly can't access the item server or any Casual/Comp matches. Must be something BIG scheduled, maybe Halloween.

>yfw the game files have references to "Quests" in them
I'm hyped as fuck for Halloween Dungeons and Dragons TF2.

he takes little skill to play and be effective, but he does have a potentially high skill ceiling too.

Considering that he can deal damage without being good because of splash isn't removed by players that can aim hitting airshots, yea you don't need to aim.

>>yfw the game files have references to "Quests" in them
>I'm hyped as fuck for Halloween Dungeons and Dragons TF2.
Watch them fuck it up beautifully like they've done for years now.

OH THE TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGIN'

>lotusclan

I miss tf2 before mann-conomy

His potential high is nowhere near other characters.
9th place out of 9

I wanted to switch demo and soldier but I figured it would start a shitstorm so I didn't.

>Sniper should be with scout and demo
Sniper doesn't deserve to be that high. Doesn't require any movement or gamesense skills whatsoever.

>Engie is literally cancer
Yeah but he's actually useful and contributes to his team unlike the other two.

>Nowhere near other characters
>What is Heavy

>gunboats
fucking kill yourself

>Dustbowl
Kill yourself

>Not liking funboats

The last Halloween was so fucking shallow, i hope they do better this year

Last Halloween was good. In fact I can't remember a Valve-produced Halloween I didn't like.

This. Community is dumb no matter the mode.

a flamethrower that throws ice and freeze enemies his alt fire instead of airblast should be firing icecycles or something

what triggers you so much about a Soldier giving up some damage in exchange for more frequent mobility?

it's a balanced sidegrade and comp teams use it intermittently

but last halloween wasn't produced by valve

The duality of man.

Anyway yea last year was shit, at least 2014 had meme mode.

4>2>3>1>6>7

>More stun weapons
Fuck no
Go play overwatch if you want that cancer

>Sniper doesn't deserve to be that high. Doesn't require any movement or gamesense skills whatsoever.
No, he relies entirely on aim and can out damage anything if he aims properly, meaning he is a hard counter to high movement classes, and is the best way to shut down a scout, yet most players cannot aim this quickly and accurately. This makes his potential the highest in the game, picking off medics will make or break games, due to him lacking the natural advantages soldier has going for him.
Besides, scouts movement is hard?
Pyro can contribute, blocking/stalling ultis, defending nests from spies and explosives, and is a pretty hard counter to soldier if played well, meanwhile spy is a pick class with a sentry stun, headshot gun and overall a lot of options. Too bad voicechat makes spy weak as fuck in high levels.

Heavy is very limited in his play and requires more thought. Yes, aiming the minigun is easy, but not dying constantly without a pocket medic is about pick your fights
Other then that hitting a sentry with a wrench and firing a shotgun requires only minor thought.

The page that valve linked to in the update talks about the airblast jump feature they've had hidden in the game for ages.

If they actually implement that and make it not hot garbage I'll forgive valve for the past few years of bullshit.

Pyro not being a shit class in general would also be nice but mobility is my shit.

>not blacklisting LotusClan, Saigns.de, and Skial

hey kind of a dumb question
When your playing Pyro and the enemy ubers, are you supposed to airbalst the medic, the pocket or both?

Maybe I'm wrong, but weren't the contracts considered "Quests" last Halloween or am I mistaken?

Saxton hale is the only game mode worth playing anymore, if you don't mind those autists

>Yes, aiming the minigun is easy, but not dying constantly without a pocket medic is about pick your fights
>Other then that hitting a sentry with a wrench and firing a shotgun requires only minor thought.
That's some pretty intense cherry picking, not to mention you only seem to be talking about turtle engies.

I spent a stupid amount of time on this server. New versions kept coming out like Breakfast Bungalow but they died so quick. I fucking miss TF2.

who freakfortress here? fucking loved getting solo-raged after landing a few goombas on them

>This makes his potential the highest in the game
This doesn't mean shit when even the best snipers in the world average ~40% at best. TF2's shitty netcode is also an artificial cap on Sniper's abilities. He's a strong class no doubt but clicking heads is not the hardest fucking thing in TF2.

>Besides, scouts movement is hard?
Have you ever played against an invite or even an im scout? They're fucking untouchable. There's a reason he's considered the strongest 6s class.

>Pyro can contribute, blocking/stalling ultis, defending nests from spies and explosives
Another soldier or scout could have picked the medic, chased the spy, or killed the players shooting at the nest. Scout is straight up better than pyro at killing spies.

>meanwhile spy is a pick class with a sentry stun, headshot gun and overall a lot of options
hey you know who can do all that but better? sniper. the only thing spy has going for him is he's played so little people don't expect it.

It's situational. If it's an Uber Heavy and he's close to your team, you should probably push him back.

But if you're in a good position to push the medic off a bridge or a cliff then you should do so.

Fuck off Mei

>turtle engies.
You mean the only role engie is played in high levels? Other then that, playing offensively it engie is being shotgun pyro, or spamming pistol shots. Neither of which are difficult to do, just bad in general, unless you rely on a mini sentry to do damage. Which takes no skill at all.
Wow, I really cherry picked that didn't I?

Well you obviously don't want to do anything but shitpost so I'm not going to bother.

>Almost six years ago
>not old

Meet The Pyro came out more then four years ago.

> a strong class no doubt but clicking heads is not the hardest fucking thing in TF2.
Then why do we not have people hitting even 50% of them by your account?
>Have you ever played against an invite or even an im scout? They're fucking untouchable.
I used to play comp tf2, maining scout, sniper, soldier, demo, and pyro. Was in gold rankings, so I wasn't bottom of the barrel. Scout cannot dodge hit scan, winning a scout battle is about hitting the first shot, or simply being good enough to track his movement. I play on max sensativity, this makes scouts signficantly weaker vs me to someone on low sensativity that cannot follow the movements.
>Another soldier or scout could have picked the medic
Yes, this is why ubers don't even exist in comp and high level play, right?
>hey you know who can do all that but better? sniper
Yeah, because a sniper can chain shoot a medic and heavy combo as fast as a spy can chain stab. I already mentioned what spies biggest weakness is, team communication.

youtube.com/watch?v=dGmqIkhjEPE

Cant be bothered to screenshot, but its ~2.8k hours.

Nice points, I love how well developed your ideas are.

fucking love that video

>Then why do we not have people hitting even 50% of them by your account?
Because as I've said before the netcode limits snipers effectiveness. Jumping soldiers being a good example as the hitbox is moved significantly further than where the body is. On a falling soldier you are more likely to get a headshot aiming near the chest than the head. Let's say snipers really have 70℅ accuracy that's still far more consistent than say soldier/demo airshots.
>Was in gold rankings, so I wasn't bottom of the barrel.
Gold is a joke compared to invite. Scout in HL is just the designated cart bitch 90℅ of the time and sentries limit his potential. For comparison invite players sandbag in plat for shits and giggles.
>Yes, this is why ubers don't even exist in comp and high level play, right?
Nice strawman. Medics in 6s constantly have to be prepared for the possibility of the roamer bombing them. Does that make ubers pointless? No but preventing an uber > mitigating an uber
>Yeah, because a sniper can chain shoot a medic and heavy combo as fast as a spy can chain stab
Chainstabs don't happen outside of pubs

my nigga, we have the same fucking timeframe and experiences
there are still like 500 people still playing xbox

>People hated last years Halloween
Granted, Valve finally Jewing out Halloween costumes sucked but that was a thing by 2013 and we had 4 legit great maps.

4>3>7>2>1>5>6

>Community does all the fucking work
>Still fuck them in the ass
Why Valve?

kritz is a crutch and every soldier with gunboats in pubs should honestly kill themselves

>do you want to win?
>no
>ok pick the strongest class

>can you aim
heavy

>pyro, most spies
>selfrespect

>Kritz is a crutch
Tell that to the hundreds of medics I've slaughtered using it. Kritz is high risk/high reward. You shouldn't have trouble dealing with it in pubs. Pub medics don't know how to surf and pub soldiers don't know how to turn around.

>Because as I've said before the netcode limits snipers effectiveness. Jumping soldiers being a good example as the hitbox is moved significantly further than where the body is
sounds like someone needs to get good. You can't blame netcode for people missing headshots, unless you are Brazilian.
>Gold is a joke compared to invite
Gold is highlander only, so there is that. I would practice vs plat players and win duels, 1v1s, which platinum was the highest US rating as far as I knew in 2013-2014.
>Nice strawman
Really? You did try to set one up. A good pyro can completely nullify a uber push.
>Chainstabs don't happen outside of pubs
Like I said, spy is hard to play in comp leagues. That doesn't mean he is incapable.

obviously i'm not talking about pubs, as the whole medic is a crutch in pubs

>the only role in tf2 is roamer
kek
You probably think soldier is the best character too.

>notoriously bad at aiming in any fps game
>no self respect
>180 hours of spy
checks out
my 2nd most played was mini sentry engineer and 3rd was medic, pyro can go fuck himself though, useless shit

quality reading comprehension

People still play on Xbox? I thought the servers were shut down

OUTPLAYED

youtube.com/watch?v=qiYlgI2dHfA

>outplaying pubs
>including random crits

>Sounds like someone needs to get good. You can't blame netcode for people missing headshots, unless you are Brazilian.
Skip to 6:30. It happens even on good connections.
youtu.be/tt8x4PMvZUg
>I would practice vs plat players and win duels, 1v1s, which platinum was the highest US rating as far as I knew in 2013-2014.
So have I. I've played against several members of KND and dK and won. Then I went and played against open and im players and went 50/50 at best or got stomped at worst. HL is not real comp.
>A good pyro can completely nullify a uber push.
What's your definition of good? All they have to do is W+M2 and try to get the uber as far away as possible before they die.

...

>i played with crits and random spread the entirety of time i spent with tf2
>except in arena which i played more of than the average person

?

youtube.com/watch?v=jPJp_R0ldqg

bump

...

If nothing else, at least the funny screenshots feature is still in.

I wish my old computer didn't die on me, and I was smarter then to upload a lot of my old screenshots to the cloud

...

>Have nice cosmetics loadouts
>Go heavy with my trusty strange Natasha
>Mic spamming sniper argues with me about "muh less damage"
Playing a free mode. Fuck off.

This is my absolute favorite.

gonna combine the factors

>Skip to 6:30. It happens even on good connections.
he hit the rocks mesh you moron, then he hit the chest, not the head.
>HL is not real comp.
Neither is any tf2 comp. Its all community run shit with crybabies that ban everything they can't outplay or adapt too.
>What's your definition of good? All they have to do is W+M2 and try to get the uber as far away as possible before they die.
One that doesn't die. But I guess you are to incompetent to manage that.

>spending money instead of making friends with people who know how to click on stupid valve ai

bruh

secrit club

>he hit the rocks mesh you moron, then he hit the chest, not the head.
I'm curious how you get he missed a heavy standing still.
>Neither is any tf2 comp. Its all community run shit with crybabies that ban everything they can't outplay or adapt too.
As expected of an HL shitter.
They've tried all the weapons and no class limits from the very beginning, the format is like it is for a reason. More weapons != More variety. Go watch prolander and that valve style game 6s did a while back if you want to see the shitfest that is "no bans".
>One that doesn't die. But I guess you are to incompetent to manage that.
That's why hes the least played offclass in 6s right? Because he's so good at stopping ubers?

yall should check out railbait.net arena 2fort server, its pretty good, its the only server i go in for tf2 anymore

Redsun server is still pretty active

>I'm curious how you get he missed a heavy standing still.
THE ONE ON THE CART THAT'S MOVING AS HE AIMS BEHIND IT?
Fuck you are really reaching if that's your example.
>They've tried all the weapons and no class limits from the very beginning, the format is like it is for a reason. More weapons != More variety
Yea, but the samey meta is so fucking full of variety now, right? I mean these fucking scrubs banned the machina for being op.
>That's why hes the least played offclass in 6s right?
That and the meta that has been set in stone by a whinny community.

is there any way of playing 2007 TF2 besides buying the Xbox version? I have the PS3 version but its completely dead

>THE ONE ON THE CART THAT'S MOVING AS HE AIMS BEHIND IT?
He's not aiming behind it are you blind? He's right on his forehead both times.
>Bbbut it was moving
Says a lot about the netcode if it can't even accurately register a player as fast as a revved up heavy.
>Yea, but the samey meta is so fucking full of variety now, right?
That's valves problem not 6s. The list of weapons that adds options instead of taking them away is very short.
>Banned the machina for being OP
Its a straight upgrade over stock, why wouldn't they? You can cripple a demo or soldier with that extra 15% and possibly get the medic too.
>That and the meta that has been set in stone by a whinny community.
Yes that's why they don't use him, not because he's bad but to keep the meta the same. Every team in 6s would rather not play pyro out of spite than use him to win. That makes perfect sense.

>Arena
>2fort
>Arena 2fort

All the well adjusted/degenerate folk of my kind have moved on to greener pastures. There is no server now that is going to scratch the itch that will never be scratch

You can't bring back what's already dead and gone, can you?

>THE ENEMY HAS TAKEN OUR INTELLIGENCE

>you literally can't spycheck as pyro at this moment
Literally not true

When every Spy is using Spycicle and Dead Ringer, it is very much true. They just activate their Get Out of Jail Free card and use their Scout-speed to haul ass halfway across the map. There's literally nothing you can do about that as a Pyro.

>He's not aiming behind it are you blind? He's right on his forehead both times.
He fired while heavy was crouching. that hitboxes move before the model does. Thats not the netcode, its the games animations. The other was a misplaced shot. So get good kid.
Also, the cart is on the serverside and its speed is effect by client side info. The pinging of data makes the cart move oddly and distort hitboxes directly touching the cart. Still if the sniper was good he would have aimed his shots more centered.
Not being able to no scope is not a straight upgrade, regardless of the option it brings being useful or not, and the MG was a straight upgrade, but it was allowed before the nerf. The meta should have shifted to deal with it, rather then ban it because we are losing doing the same thing we did for years before.
>muh meta
why add variety? Why have anything that might make players learn something new?

>There's literally nothing you can do about that as a Pyro.
Chase him for 2/3 seconds and then kill him, a lot of the time I find it very easy to notice when this happens and if they are cloaked and just run off then that's a job done either way.

>soda popper + winger scout on doublecross

I felt the same way before I actually decided to move on.
I ended up finding a new server, made new friends, but still kept in touch with my old ones.
I even invited some of my old friends who I thought had left the game for good, but now they've become regulars again.

Sure, it's not the same, but its something. I'd argue it's even better.

Just gotta keep on chugging along.

>tfw fug servers are a ghost town
They used to be so vibrant and alive, with baloonrace and cyberpunk, but now i've seen four players on it this year. It's truly a shame.

>you'll never hop onto the party van and immediately have your ears split open by a cacophony of sound clips ever agin

I know a lot of it has to do with Valve's own shortcomings, but Overwatch is also to blame for this right? I legitimately don't get the amount of support for such a shallow husk of a game.

>tfw mariokart

>Remembering when the official valve serves were containment servers for tryhards
>Community servers were always full of chill people who just wanted to have fun
>tfw Valve fucked it all up

Because Blizzard has stopped paying attention to TF2 and the people working on it is just whoever feels like working on it while they focus their entire attention on Dota and Overwatch is now Blizzard's main moneymaker, shallow as it is.

Err, *valve has stopped paying attention

Is there even lore for Overwatch? What makes the characters stand out like the TF2 classes? Do they talk shit to each other? I know this is an /owg/ question but still.

I really don't know what even brought on the whole 'Overwatch is a clone of TF2; Overwatch is the TF2 killer' thing.
It's only making things worse in the end. Overwatch pulls very little from TF2, and (most of) the Overwatch fanbase act like entitled little shits that expect massive content updates every week because of "TF2 has more content then Overwatch, this is unacceptable!"

Overwatch literally could not be less of a factor in this.

I know everyone constantly shitposts about how "Overwatch killed TF2," and "TF2 is dead," but the numbers don't support that. TF2 has still been the third most played game on steam (only topped by DOTA 2 and CS:GO), before and after Overwatch was a thing. Literally nothing has changed. The numbers still show a consistent 65k-70k player range during primetime. During dead hours it always has around 50k.

People shitpost about MyM a lot too. Since its release, TF2's numbers haven't fallen at all. There was a lot of backlash at first, but it all got fixed. All of the main shitposting points have been completely disproven:

>m-muh 30 minute wait time
It's 60 seconds now.
>m-muh requeueing for no reason
You can rematch now.
>c-can't choose maps
This was patched in literally 2 days after MyM.

It's literally all just shitposting.

You have to stop falling for the meme.

I think, ever since the announcement, major YouTube celebs attempted to simplify the game to draw attention to their braindead viewers by calling it "Blizzard's TF2", and nobody called them out for it until the game came out.

Yes, plenty of lore, the shittalking is rather weak though aside from a few cool guy one liners and people shitting on reaper

member when you could carry intel with the sticky jumper.

I wonder how many Anti-Overwatch people even realize TF2 was stagnant for a full year before it started rolling out major content updates.

>sticky jumper with all 8 bombs
>balloon race
>jet ski across the lake like a fucking missle
>go wherever you want on the map
>can never do this again

You've got airblast and a shotgun. Just blast him in the wall if he ringers. If he pulls out his Spycicle to remove the flames then just shotgun him. Two shots at that range is all it takes.
If he runs away to a pack, that's time that he's not gonna have to actually do much because most Spies are clueless if they don't have the DR charged or their knife. Unless you're playing on a map like Badwater or Goldrush, where there's large ammo everywhere, DR Spies aren't much of a threat as they are an annoyance.

If you look on Steam charts between when Overwatch came out until now, you'd see that the TF2 playerbase has been pretty consistant around 60 to 70k playing.
MyM drove a couple of people away at launch because it was a shitty update and they acknowledged that.

>you will never experience a map like mario kart, cyberpunk, or harbl hotel again for the first time

What happened to these servers? The few mario kart servers I've played on have the music disabled or not working and the other two aren't hosted anymore.

>that hitboxes move before the model does
that would make sense if not for the fact the hitboxes from crouching are delayed, not faster. He should have gotten the headshot. Not that it matters since his next two shots were dead on and the hitbox delay is already gone
>The other was a misplaced shot
There is blood on his face, he didn't miss. Blood splatters are client side, it would have been a headshot
>Also, the cart is on the serverside and its speed is effect by client side info
So what? It's to keep cheaters from making it move faster than the max speed it doesn't affect player hitboxes. Otherwise it would have been noticed by now
>Not being able to no scope is not a straight upgrade
Sniper always has a bodyguard in both gamemodes, not being able to noscope is a non issue
>And the MG was a straight upgrade, but it was allowed before the nerf
Opportunity cost, escape plan and pain train are even better upgrades. MG makes for cool frag vids but it's not consistent and not worth giving up 2x cap or 2x speed. Also it's not banned so what are you talking about?
>why add variety? Why have anything that might make players learn something new?
Do you seriously think 6s players want to keep doing the same thing forever and ever? They WANT new content but they can't do that, valve has to add it. We're all stuck with the garbage valve has given us but instead of rightfully blaming them for their shitty lazy weapon design you stupid HL mouthbreathing retards suck their dick and point the finger at 6s instead because you're all garbage and love the crutches valve has given you. 6s players are so far and beyond HL players because they don't want to play a gamemode where you practice gimmicks and the high skill classes are designated to cart bitch or holding flank with black box/conch. If they unbanned everything you would have variety for about a week before teams picked the most broken items and you'd have even more stalemates than before and boring teamfights

>Old days of getting home from school and throwing homework away to play tf2
>Always played heavy spy or sniper, sometines engi
>Frag videos were decent
>Played on Cred Forums party bus servers
>Le funni me mes xdd
>Huntsman was favorite weapon
>Traded up to an Australium medi gun and syringe gun (both strange)
>Only played medic because sexy weapons
>strange australium sniper
>get good as sniper
>still playing after a few years
>Tf:go update comes out
>filthy plebians steal my weapons and use them
>Stop playing
>Spycrab my backpack for a bud
>Win
>Again
>Lose
>Uninstall
And that was that

There's a 24/7 randomizer mariokart server, but I can't think of an active server that runs cyberpunk or harbl.

>tryhards

I had an unusual heavy hat that i traded for a widow maker
Dont play tf2 if youre an autistic 12 year old

youtube.com/watch?v=t3hRzpY6nkM

>this was the funniest map ever when you were 18

Did minis ever get unfucked after valve ruined them for the idiots?

Someone needs to host this on a server again.

>filthy plebians steal my weapons and use them
>Stop playing
I thought this level of cuckery was restricted to rebbit.

Nope they haven't been unnerfed.

I was just tired of the game
And That update killed it for me
Just used that as an excuse to quit

Fuck.

Matchmaking in every game pretty much killed subcommunities. It's sad.

Just use offensive level 3s for the time being
>Friend ubers onto point with a heavy
>Walk up after with sentry
>Murder all of them with wrangler and cap the point myself
Feels good man

>you'll never again feel the joy of ending Doublecross in 30 seconds

Also why did Valve remove all variant game modes for maps?

rip ctf sawmill and well

How will you chase them? They can't be bumped into, they can't be lit, they can't get damaged. Where's the window? Unless they're fucking retarded and beeline for the closest ammo, you won't get them, and then you're still going to have to deal with the Spycicle.

>assuming all Spies are garbage

yeah, that's not an argument

You still can if you use the FoN or atomizer to do that

It's not the same level of fast as 3 stickies though.

you also don't have 200 health and have gravity to deal with

I play a server that runs them every Friday along with custom and community maps.

Whats the name/ip? I've been dying to play them again

The first shot is close, but in not way is it unbelievable that missed.
The second is not even on the heavies head.
So are we hating on clean hitboxes now?
Also, blood does not mean a hit. To think so makes you a moron.
>So what?
Look up what pinging is.
>escape plan
wow, 2012 is here guys. Besides, picking medics with MG is easy, and it was a stright upgrade longer then most weapons I can think of.
>no scope is a non issue
It is still a con. We don't ban the ubersaw because the swing speed is not a con due to you having teammates, do we?
>They WANT new content
No they do not. The machina was in the game years before anyone picked it up, and as soon as it became viable the community cried for a ban. Fuck, the prettyboy for the scout was banned on release due to a scout taking more then 2 melee hits from a medic. It would have opened up for pyro to be a more viable in the pocket, but that would effect the meta. Honestly, you sit here claiming to want options but ban fucking anything that hinders uber pushes. Bans are the only crutches, they exist because bad players like you would rather remove any option in the game that can be used against instead of adapting or outplaying them. You're the fucking losers jerking off to "old tf2" that was never good at the game in the first place.

Dude, even a scout with winger and unnerfed soda popper can't touch jumper demoman's speed.

There's still Teek.

Thats the map where I learned rocket jumping
>TFW you will never have as much fun with TF2 as in those wonderful years

>The first shot is close
There is blood on his cheek where he hit, this isn't up for debate blood splatter doesn't lie.
>The second is not even on the heavies head.
This is heavy's head hitbox.
>Also, blood does not mean a hit. To think so makes you a moron.
It shows where the CLIENT thinks you hit, exactly where he was aiming on his screen. It should have been a headshot. He wasn't moving quickly at all there is no excuse.
>It is still a con. We don't ban the ubersaw because the swing speed is not a con due to you having teammates, do we?
The ubersaw is a straight upgrade, it's not banned because it adds depth to medic and gives a class that before had no way to make plays to do so and it's not gamebreaking like the vitasaw. It adds more than it takes away.
youtube.com/watch?v=jamuLPfQibU&t=1m45s
Compared to vitasaw where you get a reward just by having it on and the other medic is forced to use it or play at a disadvantage all game.
>wow, 2012 is here guys
>HL player doesn't know what rollouts are
l o l
>The machina was in the game years before anyone picked it up
What just because a weapon wasn't abused before that makes it okay forever? There is no counterplay to machina, it's just a free 15% damage for the sniper
>Fuck, the prettyboy for the scout was banned on release due to a scout taking more then 2 melee hits from a medic
The strongest class having more health with overheal than a soldier is absolutely fucking insane. Demo and soldier would need 3 instead of 2 pills/rockets to kill a scout. Scout already dominates with 185
>It would have opened up for pyro to be a more viable in the pocket
Pyro gets absolutely shit on by scouts
Pyro cannot close gaps like soldier
Pyro cannot put out burst damage like soldier
You have absolutely no understanding of how 6s works and you're saying they need to tear everything down for HL babbies like yourself to have a safe space because you still haven't learned how to rocket jump or air strafe in 2016

>arguing through quoting every single partial sentence and responding separately

holy fuck go back to gamefaqs and/or middle school, you two, this shit is unreadable

This is why Overwatch will fade away way too soon compared to TF2 and will simply be forgotten if Blizzard doesn't get their heads up their asses and start treating it like an actual PC game.

Dedicated servers, increased team sizes, more maps and game mods. Overwatch NEEDS these.

So how do I make friends in TF2 again? Can anyone recommend some cool servers with lots of regulars?

Valve is actively doing their best to keep TF2 from fostering a community with their Casual Quickplay.

What was your first hat, Cred Forums? Do you still have it?
Mine was an Alien Swarm given to me by some dude on a mario kart server the night I started playing, still have it too

Friendships start naturally user. You'll get friends eventually.
I'd post a server but every time I do it gets raided by the tards here

Tyrant Helm, drop, and yes.

Only soldier hat I actively wear, only other one that's any good is the stash and I don't have it

>picking medics with MG is easy
You could do accomplish the same thing with 2 rockets. But no clearly going for a flashy MG kill that might not even land before immediately getting raped by a pissed off 300hp pocket soldier makes much more sense.
>Bans are the only crutches
That's why plat is all sandbagging 6s players lmao
>Honestly, you sit here claiming to want options but ban fucking anything that hinders uber pushes
Yeah no shit because nobody wants to watch 2 teams spam chokes for 10 minutes before one of them finally makes a mistake. This is why HL is slow as shit and everyone has the movement skills of a potato because mobility doesn't fucking matter in a world of ever present heavies, snipers, and sentry guns.
>instead of adapting or outplaying them
How do you adapt to dds
How do you adapt to loch
How do you adapt to atomizer
How do you adapt to bonk
How do you adapt to reserve shooter
How do you adapt to base jumper
How do you adapt to quickfix

Mine was a clean Batter's Helmet, as a drop. I still own it, but only use it on my primary loadout.

>Xbox TF2 never got updates
>Demoman still had 8 'nades
>no Pyro airblast
>absolutely no unlockable weapons
Holy fuck the fun that was had

toque
sealed my fate as a heavy fag
although I'm more attached to the ushanka that dropped a couple weeks later, that thing has seen it all, it's even painted white from an original day one mannconomy unbox, when painting just looked like an ugly blob of color and no one knew what anything was worth

Prussian Pickelhaub the week hats starting dropping. Got it on Arena Well. Got a Glengarry Bonnet shortly after, on Arena Badlands.
>one of five guys on the server with a hat for a while

Cheater's Lament, still wear it on some gimmick loadouts.

First dropped hat? Football helmet for heavy, it's long gone and I slightly regret crafting it and trading away the result.

>This is heavy's head hitbox.
Good thing it seems to be harder to hit in game.
You may actually need to get good. That's the last I'll say about it, all games will have hit detection errors, include games made 9+ years ago.
>It shows where the CLIENT thinks you hit
Ok. So its still a miss? honestly, all I see here is shots that are not even aimed to the head are missing, the sinper should have aimed onto the actual head rather then right on the line of the model.
>The ubersaw is a straight upgrade, it's not banned
Way give me points here. Machina adds depth to a sniper. Also if nothing was banned people could play with risky loadouts, and have better options dependent on team synergy. The vitasaw is not better, just safer.
> just because a weapon wasn't abused before
It wasn't abused. Someone noticed it would change the meta. Rather then tf2 players getting good and changing the meta you fucking losers banned it. You guys are literally to shit to not stand grouped up, which is all you need to do to make it less effective.
>Scout is strongest class
Yea, in pub games where no one can fucking aim
>scout beats pyro
Shotty on pyro will ou dps the scout, as the scout cannot dodge hitscan, bad players simply miss their shots. Plus, pyro should be near the medic and airblast could trap a scout and allow fire on them.
But yes, I know with 70% of the weapons banned the best meta is 2 soldiers, 2 scouts, maybe sniper, maybe demo and medic or fill odd roles depending on map(engies etc).
Fuck, you shitty players thing the scout can dodge hitscan, but its just bad players not playing on a sensitivity that doesn't allow them to tract a scouts movement. Fuck player incompetence is the reason scout is so viable, which is disgusting and why no one takes tf2s comp seriously.

Texas Ten Gallon. I renamed it Red Dead Radigan

First hat: Prussian Pickelhaube

First unusual hat: Burning Texas Ten Gallon I got off a guy for 17 vintage hats the day after the unusual update.

>That's why plat is all sandbagging 6s players lmao
This hasn't been true since S12. The only time 6's players ever really dominated was S9 (Demo's) and S12 when vhalin made that invite + best HL class players team. Every other time a 6's team has tried to "sandbag" Plat they got fucked and ended up dying. Almost everyone currently in plat has played HL far longer than 6's.
>This is why HL is slow
No it's not. HL is slow because people play like pussies and just pocketed the Sniper 24/7 because lolRazorback

>You could do accomplish the same thing with 2 rockets.
or uber could pop. Then you have a pissed off ubered pocket.
>Yeah no shit because nobody wants to watch 2 teams spam chokes for 10 minutes before one of them finally makes a mistake.
So much more thrilling to watch 2 teams build uber for 90% of the match.
>How do you adapt to dds
Have roamer and demo focus them, use dds to equalize the fight
>How do you adapt to loch
Learn its effective range, like you did with stock nades. Other then that its a weapon that rewards aiming the pips and allows demo to be farther range and a larger threat in direct combat.
>How do you adapt to atomizer
Expect scout to have that option. Get better with hitscan weapons and work on your aim tracking faster targets.
>How do you adapt to bonk
Airblast, knockback its a passive option that makes the scout supportive and promotes teamplay, I see no downside
>How do you adapt to reserve shooter
Use it yourself. Or you could just use the rocket launcher for airshot, flaregun for faster burst. Get good.
>How do you adapt to base jumper
Sniper
>How do you adapt to quickfix
kill the medic first, like you should anytime fighting a pocket.

Hat less engineer. It was genuinely my first or second drop when I first bought the game years ago.

>that feel when games don't do killcams anymore
>if they do it's just a recap showing them killing you

>You may actually need to get good
Not an argument
>all games will have hit detection errors, include games made 9+ years ago.
Quake arena has none of these issues.
>Ok. So its still a miss?
It shouldn't have been that's the point.
>Yea, in pub games where no one can fucking aim
Scouts have consistently been the deciding factor in every top level invite match.
It's astounding to me you're in gold and yet you don't know anything about high level competitive TF2. This guy carried his team as scout through several world championships.
>It wasn't abused
Maps with long corridors like upwards and badwater 2nd it was absurdly broken. You do not have any room to spread out and you're fighting a sniper who can destroy 7/9 classes in the game with a bodyshot and skewer your medic too.
>Rather then tf2 players getting good and changing the meta you fucking losers banned it
There isn't any counterplay it's just free damage.
>Machina adds depth to a sniper
In what way? How does it change his playstyle at all?
>Shotty on pyro will ou dps the scout
Oh yeah sure go try that in 6s, I would love to see the new "flank pyro" meta.
>Plus, pyro should be near the medic and airblast could trap a scout and allow fire on them.
Pyro being near the medic means leaving a flank open to backcaps.
>But yes, I know with 70% of the weapons banned the best meta is 2 soldiers, 2 scouts, maybe sniper, maybe demo and medic or fill odd roles depending on map(engies etc).
Because that's the most fun to watch and play. Defense classes drag out games and there are already way too many stalemates as it is.
>Fuck player incompetence is the reason scout is so viable
Please go play in ESEA and prove me wrong then.
You are delusional if you seriously think you stand a chance against players like this.
youtube.com/watch?v=um3Isf2KWCM
youtube.com/watch?v=j7jelqvvzxE

>tfw going through nostalgia threads taking notes of all the little things tf2 did right so I can employ them if I ever into vidya
>tfw know it'll never happen because I'm a lazy fuck and vidya is an awful career path currently

2 soldiers and 2 scouts are the meta because they and demo are the classes that don't take a year to get to the middle point. If you have a heavy or an engineer you're literally down a player because there's nothing they can do to get there with the rest of your team

>Not posting the blimp version

You guys like my Scout doodle?

>or uber could pop. Then you have a pissed off ubered pocket.
Better to force an uber than risk nothing at all.
>So much more thrilling to watch 2 teams build uber for 90% of the match.
They don't build uber in HL?
>Have roamer and demo focus them
Why? They don't kill him any faster than if he didn't have it. 20% damage penalty on top of 25 extra health works out to 120 effective health. Literally nothing.
>Learn its effective range, like you did with stock nades
Loch has twice the range of stock nades. That's giving up an entire point's worth of space to the enemy team.
>Other then that its a weapon that rewards aiming the pips
It's significantly faster than stock how is that harder to aim? Faster projectile speed makes aiming easier not harder.
>allows demo to be farther range and a larger threat in direct combat.
That isn't a good thing.
>Expect scout to have that option.
And do what about it?
>Get better with hitscan weapons and work on your aim tracking faster targets.
Roamer can't carry shotgun and why should I now lose a fight against a worse opponent because he put on a different weapon? That is the very definition of a crutch.
>Airblast
Having a pyro has its own downsides.
>knockback
He just dodges your shots and run past you.
>that makes the scout supportive and promotes teamplay
It's a free cap for your team. There's no justification for this. They have to put themselves at a disadvantage just to counter this item.
>Sniper
Has his own downsides.
>Use it yourself
>Weapon so good you have to run it or you lose
wow that's great weapon design
>kill the medic first, like you should anytime fighting a pocket.
Soldier jumps medic out.

>>You may actually need to get good
>Not an argument
LOL. You Actually need good aim to hit headshots. Get good means you are not skilled enough to do something completely possible in the game pleb.
>Quake
kek hit detection is never bad? One google search shows you are full of shit.
>it should not have missed
It was not even on the head model.
>scouts are top tier
Hitscan and aim, get better at these
>machina does not change gameplay
Neither does the ubersaw at this point, if what you are saying is true. Being able to shoot through enemies is a new aspect that snipers can do, changing the playstyle.
>scout is 2 fest 4 pyro
Hitscan. Scout only lives if you can't fucking aim
>pyro need to play the role I want
ok whatever. Don't see a point here.
>Most of the content is boring
What? Fuck off kid. That makes no sense.
>I'm too shit to play vs good players
I used to play like these guys did. I used to play in comp games you pleb. I stopped 2 years ago, because the "meta" is more important then being fucking good at tf2 at this point.

No shit. That's why comp cp is so fucking boring.

Miner's Light for the engineer.

Got a Big Country as a drop. Still have it but don't really use it because I have an Unusual Federal Casemaker.

Yes because watching a heavy lumber to the point after the fight is already over or watching an engineer's sentry get no kills is much more entertaining

>It was not even on the head model.
The blood is on his face, this is not up for debate.
>Hitscan and aim, get better at these
The best players in the world disagree with you.
Shitty pub and iron scouts != invite scouts
>Neither does the ubersaw at this point
Medic can risk getting killed for an advantage for his team. Something he would not have done with a bonesaw.
>Being able to shoot through enemies is a new aspect that snipers can do, changing the playstyle.
There's nothing he's doing on his part. It's just an added bonus.
>Hitscan. Scout only lives if you can't fucking aim
Again go try this in 6s if you actually believe this. If pyro was as good as you believe people would use him but they don't.
>What? Fuck off kid. That makes no sense.
I didn't even say this
>I used to play in comp games you pleb.
And yet you don't know what rollouts are and you're stuck in gold. hmmm

>friends all jumped to OW
>all they talk about now is OW
>all they do is scream about the match in the group's voice chat

At least it's not League of Legends again.

>scout only lives if you can't fucking aim

And YOU only live if HE can't aim. If a slow ass stationary pyro and a jumping strafing scout are shooting each other close range with shotguns you'd have to be retarded to not see which one is harder to hit

It's a hell of a lot more exciting than 3 heavy 2 medic 1 soldier.
Or one team immediately switching to 3 demo 2 engi 1 medic when they lose mid and stalemate the round.

>play since 2010
>no unusual ever after buying 30 keys

You can play MvM for free??

Holy fuck, I've been paying for tickets for so long I completely forgot that f2p could play it too

[muffled skial server in the distance]

[muffled CTF music]

Already with this shit... So glad I left the autistic TF2 community behind and picked up OVERWATCH.

>19 Classes that have more differences than health and DPS
>Aesthetic diversity in every level, with each feeling like a storied location rather than something a modder shat out with existing assets
>Don't have to wait a year for an update
>Crates are free
>No premium content stuffed into the updates
>Big sexy titties and french butts

Valve even got scared when OW came out and scrambled to release an update... And the update was a pile of raw assets. "Make your own update and we might stick it in a crate 3 years from now!" Anyone still playing TF2 should have their head examined.

you are good doctor

>Better to force an uber than risk nothing at all.
Or you could drop uber and your team can attack.
That's a easy clear right there.
>They don't kill him any faster
They also don't kill him slower, like your teammates would or is that too hard?
>Loch has twice the range of stock nades. That's giving up an entire point's worth of space to the enemy team.
Good, maybe we'd see something new like 2 demo teams. I mean whats wrong with that, we have this cancer 2 scout 2 soldier bs already.
>Faster projectile speed makes aiming easier not harder
You can't spam corners/sentries as effectively. That is a good thing.
>Roamer can't carry shotgun
ok. Roamer might be less effective, considering how much it dominated the meta right now that's not a bad thing. Fuck, that fact that you need gunboats to play Roamer is a crutch. Manage your hp better and play smarter ya shitty player.
>Having a pyro has its own downsides
Yea, and having 2 soldiers has none. The meta is fucked.
>He just dodges your shots and run past you.
That means you missed. Its your fault if you miss
>It's a free cap for your team. There's no justification for this. They have to put themselves at a disadvantage just to counter this item
If you need a pyro to hold it off, not havong a pyro puts you at disadvantage. Also both teams can use this strat.
>Sniper
You can't aim.
>so good you have to run it or you lose
You mean like the static team comp we have here? Yeah, I think the meta is perfect too.
>medic out
Whats a pick class? Or you could just kill them before they run, have a scout chase etc.
I don't see this overpowering a regular medic unless that regular medic team fucks up or gets ubered on.

I've always wanted to know what this was but nobody in the servers ever told me

thanks a million user

If you want bans and more variety, limit one of each class. That's a good and fair way to encourage variety.

>harder to hit
learn to aim. Fucking shitty.

so you'd still always have scout, soldier, demo and medic, the other two would almost always be sniper or heavy since they blatantly outclass the alternatives

If you're lucky/have good timing, you can even find active custom mvm map servers on the browser.

>being this much of a blizzdrone
AHAHAHAHAHA
also
>>crates are free
>>no premium content stuffed into the updates
summer games wasn't that long ago in the game's lifespan, user.

...

>I always hit perfect 90 damage meatshots every time

like the other guy said before, go ahead and try

>The best players in the world disagree with you.
>Shitty pub and iron scouts != invite scouts
The best players in the world don't change how hitscan works. Scout is strong as a flanker or vs wounded players. Players that can aim can kill a scout quickly.
>Medic can risk getting killed for an advantage for his team.
Which is why he doesn't use it unless its a free hit or he has to defend himself. Medic plays defensively for a reason.
>Again go try this in 6s if you actually believe this.
I have before. TF2s comp players are fucking terrible.
>And yet you don't know what rollouts are and you're stuck in gold.
I stopped playing regularly 2 years ago. I was done with the bitching about everything being op. Fuck, I got accused of hacking because even the pro players suck at aiming.

>Or you could drop uber and your team can attack.
MG isn't guaranteed
>They also don't kill him slower
So there's no downside to this weapon, every sniper has to wear DDS or be at a disadvantage
>Good, maybe we'd see something new like 2 demo teams
And you'd also see 16 stickies locking down chokes leading to longer stalemates
>You can't spam corners/sentries as effectively
Loch does 20% more damage to buildings are you fucking retarded?
>ok. Roamer might be less effective, considering how much it dominated the meta right now that's not a bad thing
Scout dominated the meta, not roamer. You have NO understanding of 6s whatsoever stop pulling shit out of your ass.
>that fact that you need gunboats to play Roamer is a crutch
You just said soldiers needed shotgun to fight scouts but now a weapon that trades it away is somehow a crutch?
>That means you missed. Its your fault if you miss
Scout is the best class because he is hard to hit in the first place. You are simply incorrect if you think scout is in any way a weak class when tournaments have shown otherwise
>Also both teams can use this strat
So now instead of having complex setups and heal rotations now who wins is decided by which scout uses bonk first
>If you need a pyro to hold it off, not havong a pyro puts you at disadvantage
That's not what I'm talking about. You have to send 2 scouts minimum for 1 bonk scout
>You mean like the static team comp we have here? Yeah, I think the meta is perfect too
What exactly is your fucking argument here? You say unlocks add variety and then when I point out they don't you agree with me?
>Whats a pick class?
Sniper not only isn't going to get there in time for the shot but he's also likely to miss
>have a scout chase etc.
Scout cannot keep up with a rocket jumping soldier and he would lose the fight anyway

Go back to r/tf2 and spout your retarded opinions there
I'm not going to argue with someone who think he knows meta better than the top players in the world

>>crates are free
>>no premium content stuffed into the updates
I reiterate, crates are free. The summer crates were unlocked the same way regular crates are, and they contained the same content whether you bought or earned them. You had a whole month to earn crates.

>I can't hit 65~ damage meat shots at mid range vs a scout therefore its immpossible
I forgot how fucking bad tf2 players are. Its like 2% of the playerbase that can actually aim

>I have before
HL != 6s
Go play 6s prove me wrong, I would love to see you get your shit stomped in fucking open when you can't even figure out how to get to mid

>just have perfect aim lol
Even the best players in the world would have trouble trying to use shotgun pyro as a "counter" to a single good scout, that's why they don't do this in actual matches. Part of this is because scout is a multifunctional class good at things other than dming and the other part is because if a player's aim is *that* good then sniper is the better choice over shotgun pyro anyway.

Get your theorycrafting outta here.

First hat was a chieftan's challenge. I don't have it anymore thought, it's still my favorite hat

youtube.com/watch?v=XxAB9BAxpJw

>not quickscoping scouts when they get in rampup range
I don't think you've ever actually played against someone who is truly gud.

>scout sucks lol

>golden frying pan
Oh you can bet your ass I'd be bee-lining towards him every chance.

Against a bunch of nobodies. Who cares.

I've played this map since 2008 on consoles and still play it 8 years laer on PC. Played it yesterday even.

>prem
>nobody

Why is this game so floaty? Everyone can jump like 10 feet in the air and the guns are being pulled out of nowhere.

>MG isn't guaranteed
Neither is hitting a rocket. Your point?
>no downside
no jarate for team damage, smg for scouts
>16 stickies
Use a rocket launcher/airblast to move them you fucking moron. If that worked you'd see it be done.
>Loch does 20% more damage to buildings
it also has to hit directly. and the 3 clip size still results in less damage then the stock you pleb
>scout dominates meta
loch and gunslinger would cure that in a day
>a weapon that trades shotgun is a crutch?
yes. You need it to rocket jump more, meaning you cannot roam without it. A crutch, or you could just learn to kill scouts with a rocket launcher and stop being bad
>Scout is strong
He relies on evasion. Hitscan damage is instant, meaning it is not possible to evade, and scout mush be in range to get hurt to deal damage, or use the shortstop.
>. You have to send 2 scouts minimum
Na, without bans scout will have more counters. Besides, ban class stacking, there is more variety and opens the gates to new team comps.
>What exactly is your fucking argument here?
Ban class stacking and ban no weapons. You will see people change the play styles for each map and player preferred play styles.
>Sniper not only isn't going to get there in time for the shot but he's also likely to miss
Good thing sniper is fucking incompetent and incapable to communicating with his team and aiming his shots.
>Scout cannot keep up with a rocket jumping soldier and he would lose the fight anyway
So why do you need a shotgun? OR did no one deal any damage to the soldier? With quick fix he should be missing at least 20-40 hp, and taken one shot during his jump leaving him with 100 or so.

I played HL and 6s. You have no point.

Sgt. Drill Hat

It's my only vintage hat and I got it through crafting. Even if I delete all of my items in TF2, I will still probably keep that item.

Hitscan aimed correctly does not miss.
If you can flick shot a scout up close how good they are does not matter.

only scout, that's the point of him

>guns are being pulled out of nowhere

have you never played a shooter before

He does, look at thoes 2 scouts die on the point.
Fucking moron, this was a good player vs worse players, or someone that actually hit all their shots vs players that didn't.

>no jarate for team damage, smg for scouts

I feel bad for this guy having to argue with someone like you

>Ban class stacking and ban no weapons
youtube.com/watch?v=cGfgCE1GXcw

TIMOTEI

>playing with the solo pub loadout, rather then then with a item that benefits your team
nice.
Besides, you can't be one shot headshot, just like when you are with a medic. If you are not with a medic, then you are weak to roamer or a scout.

One Man Army.
I still have it, although I never wear it.

Be honest, how fucking new are you?

[muffled sounds of turtling]

>Ban class stacking and ban no weapons.

this has been done and it's fucking garbage

some weapons are just simply better, or force the opponent to use them too