Whats even the point of playing anymore? Sub runs out in 8 days and I just can't do it. The game seriously is just DiabloCraft now but with time gates limiting how much fun you can have.
If I play an ARPG I have as much fun as I want and don't need to do autistic raiding schedules or ""apply"" to guilds.
Legion is the best expansion wow has ever had, and i cant find the motivation to play it anymore.
It really sucks because i like the universe and all the characters. I would love for it to go back to an RTS.
Alexander Johnson
i got 7/7h week one. that really killed my motivation to play. i liked having heroic be pretty tough and mythic seem like an almost impossible task. heroic was a cakewalk and mythic is still impossible. they really fucked up the difficulty curve.
Cameron Torres
I'm + 10 in mythic
7/7 in 1 hour and 20 mins.
this game is just do the same shit over for no improvement. my fucking mythic gear was better than raid. what's the point.
Owen Moore
I hate timegates in mmos. its on of the reasons i always HATED dailies.
Another reason i hate dailes is i can understand making a cap on what you can do per week (it still sucks) but making me log in every god damn day to do the same quests over and over? fuck you! farming rep in old wow wasnt as bad, i just needed to put on a movie or music and zone out while killing mobs while running in a circle in a zone, it was almost comfy compared to dailies.
its not about making a fun game anymore its about maximizing profits for effort.
Hudson Perez
Holy fuck if this is real. Like I understand the game needs to last long but making health sponge bosses and saying "Its hard" really seems fucked.
Leo Hughes
yeah it is real for me. the gear never gets better too. it is all between 860-880 depending on what bullshit the roll system gives you. titanforged etc.
like there is zero fucking point. hell even the world quest give you 830-840 gear. the scaling is super fucked.
I also have 3 legendary items. the are just given at random from doing whatever you feel like doing and are totally based on RNG
Austin Nelson
Today I saw someone with an 880 helm and two legendaries.
I'm still holding my breath for a pair of 840+ boots.
Should I just give up?
The RNG clearly doesn't smile upon me.
Ryder Nelson
>farming rep in old wow wasnt as bad, i just needed to put on a movie or music and zone out while killing mobs while running in a circle in a zone
Maybe that works for you but it was absolute hell to me. At least WQs change the scenery up.
Also it's neat to see they're not all carbon repeats, many are tasks and even events that weren't included in the leveling quests.
Josiah Diaz
yeah can't wait to finish all my dailies and wait 24 hours so I can do more dailies so I can wait another 24 more hours so I can do more dailies so I can wait 24 more hours so I can do more dailies so I can wait 24 more hours so I can do more dailies so I can wait 24 more hours so I can do more dailies so I can wait 24 more hours so I can do more dailies so I can wait 24 more hours so I can do more dailies so I can wait 24 more hours so I can do more dailies so I can wait 24 more hours so I can do more dailies so I can wait 24 more hours so I can do more dailies so I can wait 24 more hours so I can do more dailies until I kill myself
Luis Powell
Seriously. Still stuck with 835 shoulders when the rest of my gear is 845+. I have a feeling when I do eventually get a legendary it's going to be the worst one.
Cooper Turner
>theme park MMOs are all shallow shitshows >sandbox MMOs never have a decent endgame Why is this genre flawed at such a fundamental level? Is it too late to save?
Brandon Long
>Want to roll an alt so I can heal Mythic+ dungeons >Way behind on artifact power and artifact knowledge is still slow as fuck >Have to do the Suramar shit again.
I don't think I can do it.
Aiden Anderson
Yeah, I am done with wow. Legion is designed with one goal in mind - to keep you logging in every single day and to never let your sub run out, lest you miss one artifact power world quest and are forever behind your friends. RNG Legendary drops are another thing. I have like 13 days played on max level and not a single legendary. Meanwhile, some uber casuals in my guild have 2 or even 3. This kills being competitive on dps meters and the desire to push numbers. Can't be bothered to play alts because fuck me if I do all that Suramar shit again and all the time gating bs.
Charles Rodriguez
855 iLvl, no legendary, one 835 trinket here. I am a balance druid too, so 3/4 of my item rewards from worldquests have the wrong stats ;^)
Joshua Adams
I don't know why they didn't just make all this stupid grinding shit account wide already. It might actually convince people not to drop the game when they inevitably fuck something up for the billionth time and it's bad enough that we've been leveling alts doing the same boring quests and shit for years.
I literally stopped playing altogether when they nerfed my shadow priest for the 3rd or 4th time. Shadow was in an extremely shitty niche spot to begin with because they have no idea what they're doing with insanity or surrender to shit memes, it's like a bad joke. There is no point in trying to recoup on an alt because I will always be at least a month behind everybody else now where it counts.
Ian Morgan
It's pretty boring. There's only so long you can flog a dead horse, I don't even read quest text anymore because I don't care about why you want me to collect bear asses for the 1000th time.
Luke Edwards
I'm still having fun. World quests is the best daily system so far. People blow artifact power way out of proportion. I'm still competitive even without legendary and just one golden perk, because I'm not shit at the game, and I get enough AP just from doing daily hc and mythics. No need to farm every single AP WQ.
Mythic+ actually feels hard, though I'm disappointed at the difficulty of EN, it's going a bit too fast even for my guild. We're 2/7 already after two mythic evenings.
Baseline is, WoW will always be shit if you don't do organized raiding. This has been true since vanilla, and is still true today.
Parker Sullivan
MMOs literally can't be saved. MMOs used to be a way for NEETs to make friends and feel like they're accomplishing something, with modern chat tools like Discord there's other ways for them to connect with each other and most people want stuff like MOBAs or CS GO instead.
Wildstar or Everquest Next proves there is no longer a market for classic MMOs anymore.
Legion is the best there's going to be.
Gavin Anderson
link armories or get lost nost shills
Dylan Wilson
>Wildstar or Everquest Next proves there is no longer a market for classic MMOs anymore.
I really think there is. If devs would only do away with the theme park format and go back to the roots. A modern not shit sandbox mmorpg with emphasis on RPG, maybe elements of the survival genre which many former mmo players seem to like so much and Realm vs. Realm PvP on top. Give players the choice to go full Crafter, no combat needed at all, be an Inn Keeper, a Fisherman, a Farmer. Make it a living breathing world people care about.
We had all these things separately in different mmorpgs. Time to bring it all together in one package.
Carter Stewart
who the hell is shilling anything. just saying the gear level scaling is screwed.
you get lost fucking apologist.
Michael Smith
Im seriosly bored of the game I enjoyed it more when I just used my garrison and did my weekly raid farming for transmogs. I dont even wanna do legion content I like the WoD raiding system were it wasn't as grindy.
Christian Powell
whats killing mmos is devs designing boss for hard core 1% guilds instead of creating a world like Ultima and StarWars galaxies.
Aiden Cruz
You know what is really killing MMOs?
Faggot communities.
WoW Vanilla was fucking awesome. Not because the gameplay was 10/10, but because nobody gave a shit about what others do or which guild has this or that or what HURR ITEMSCORE I have.
I played the game for fun. I explored, I tried to immerse myself and play RPG-like I quit before BC was released.
The people that ruined the game are the people who think they need to play it like Blizz wants them to play.
Vanilla WoW was one thing first and foremost: a fucking awesome sandbox
Kevin Walker
>I don't know why they didn't just make all this stupid grinding shit account wide already.
Because only the diehard NEETs are still subbing for that shit.
If they stopped, accountwide everything would be hotfixed in by the end of the week.
Doesn't matter because this is the phase one of the post-MoP content model. Gate fucking everything and dangle flying achievements as a carrot.
In a year, rep and wqs wont fucking matter, and you'll be able to upgrade artifact research to max in a week while lfd/lfr queues shit artifact tokens at you.
Juan Moore
Guess where they ripped thar daily quest model from? Diablo 3. Why the fuck do you think everything is RNG stats and drops now?
Charles Allen
The thing with Vanilla WoW was that, contrary to the model, everyone played it. WoW is becoming more "casual" but it's not casuals who are playing it, it's WoW fanatics who can't quit.
The vanilla community was anyone and everyone. You were always constantly surprised at who your guild officers and guild mates were. Now it's always going to be some 20-35 year old 'gamer' guy.
I am almost certain the female population of WoW was at its highest during Vanilla.
Nathan Myers
It takes like half a day of farming to get a months worth of gold.
Gabriel Wood
>can't wait to farm furbolgs for 72 hours in one session because I need to hit exalted RIGHT NOW
Andrew Phillips
I met a 14 year old jailbait from bulgaria in vanilla who sent me tons of nudes lol
we even married in-game and lots of people came funny memory vanilla was awesome.
Aaron Butler
Not that guy but still beats killing 10 furbolgs every day for 3 months.
Tyler Green
>I prefer timegated shit over grindy shit HURRRRR who fucking cares it's trash
Logan Martinez
Nice hyperbole. Also why the fuck would I want to play a game I'm getting bored with. You're just farming gold to pay for a sub you don't want for a game you don't want to play. Thats autistic as fuck.
Julian Reyes
>this kind of thread again
Sucks to be you, OP. I'm having fun. First EN mythic boss downed.
Dylan Bell
They also brought over the worst feature of all from Diablo 3: villain chatter. They don't seem to have figured out that they made clowns out of Azmodan and Diablo by having them get on video chat every five seconds to say HO HO HO YOU MAY HAVE FOILED THIS PLAN, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER PLAN THAT YOU DEFINITELY WON'T FOIL, SILLY MORTAL.
Bentley Hall
>it's WoW fanatics who can't quit This is true. I know a few people that just can't quit.
Just because all the shit they did on their character, they keep subscribing and buying new expansions on principle.
Luis Peterson
Hope you enjoy you're health sponge bosses.
Ayden Gray
I feel the same way about my DK. They've fucked up the balance so badly that my preferred spec Frost is still in the dumpster after a 15% buff. Unholy and Frost are both bottom of the pile in Mythic modes, and Blood is equal worst with Brewmaster for tanking. Presumably there aren't any more balance changes coming now until next year, so DKs are basically condemned to irrelevancy in endgame content.
That wouldn't be that big of a deal, if it weren't excruciatingly repetitive to redo Artifact quests/Artifact power building/Suramar on a new character. Probably not going to renew my game time after my current lot expires. Blizzard proves once again they can't balance to save themselves.
Wyatt Moore
I just miss the innocence I had as a kid playing MMOs in their hayday. I had lots of fun leveling and meeting random people in the game, everything was new and exciting. I made a lot of friends I still talk to now and then. Now that I'm older, I fucking hate leveling, I hate doing anything outside of endgame, I don't want to meet anyone new, because it'll be some cynical faggot like me who hates everything in the game. raiding guilds end up being a place to shit talk eachother for 4hrs a night. I don't know anymore man.
Kevin James
Probably because blizzard made it all about end game now and leveling is a pointless grind.
Jaxon Powell
Shitty people were always there, you just didn't notice until LFG, LFR, OpenRaid, Cred Forums WoW threads, MMO Champ, etc.
Jayden Hernandez
Worst people playing the game are the link achivement, must have gearscore higher than loot drops in the instance you're applying for group for. Like why would I be running this instance if I already have all the gear from it. Achievements gave the most obnoxious peoples playing the game a bat to beat everyone else around the head with. It leads to situations where if you had real life stuff to attend to in the first week of a raid opening, you can't get a group ever again, because you missed the 'acceptable' window to not have the achievement for completion. Honestly wouldn't miss them if they were removed, or massively scaled back, like Grimoire scores in Destiny. They make it impossible to take breaks from the game and not be dumped on by poopsockers who don't have any real-life responsibilities
Cooper Taylor
Say what you will about how bad end game has been over the last few expansions, but leveling in WoW has gotten better since MoP. The only issue with WoD and Legion legion was that the content was meant to be exhausted in one leveling experience. In the past, you could do have the leveling content and hit max level, which encouraged alts. Legion is the worst in that you are expected to complete 3 or 4 out of the 5 leveling zones by max level.
Jack Thompson
I enjoy it more than posting "waah why I don't like 'vidya' anymore" on Cred Forums .
Also mythic adds new mechanics - not like a LFR "WOW IS SO EASY NOW" scrub would know.
John Jackson
>You need to play all the way to mythic to enjoy the game! Sounds like the game is shit outside of the raid then doesn't it? Also I'm playing other vidya while posting on Cred Forums.
Anthony Flores
As far as I've seen, Mythic just makes mechanics more punishing. They can't be completely ignored like in Normal and sometimes in Heroics. The Mythic+ additions are not mechanics, just debuffs. While it's a decent idea, most are countered by more dps and better healing as opposed to developing a new strategy because boss X will now have a real enrage timer or whatever.
Christian Fisher
>Probably because blizzard made it all about end game now and leveling is a pointless grind.
Levelling's always been a pointless grind, people just put up with it because it was new and exciting.
Alexander Morales
>time gates limiting how much fun you can have.
M+ has no weekly lockout. The only effective time gates are artifact knowledge and order hall missions. Raids have had weekly lockouts for over a decade. AP literally oozes out of everything you do. If you started in the first week and don't have 20 points in your main weapon, and 13 points in your offspec weapons, you are doing something wrong.
Raiding isn't as difficult as it once was. Every boss ability is telegraphed really well to decrease reliance on raid timer mods. If you can't pay attention, you get punished. You can do the entire EN dungeon on Mythic, without DBM or BigWigs, if you pay attention. Heroic is undertuned a bit, I agree.
It was widely known for nearly 6 months before release that M+ gear can outpace most raid gear this tier.
Julian Baker
Mythic+ is just that, but mythic raids litterally add new mechanics for which you have to redesign your approach for the fight.
Eli Mitchell
Solution: Start your own group with players on your level. The premade requirements ensure a quick run for people who did the stuff a gazillion times already.
Aaron Reyes
Saw all this coming back when legion was in beta, they doubled down on all the rng and time gating that they've been pushing ever since MoP. At least I can say this is first expansion they didn't get my purchase.
Jack Lopez
I prefer not to lead raids if I can avoid it, but sure, I'll probably end up doing that. So many people in the group finder tool are just really toxic. Everyone needs to take a breath and treat it like the game that it is, not a fucking part time job
Sebastian Long
Age has changed everyone and information. Now everyone knows everything. MMOs haven't changed everyone else did. Fanbases force devs to create this unrealistic game they want and play it 24/7 until they burn out after 1 week and start seeing the garbage that it is.
Back before information was readily available you had to explore and find it yourself. Now every game has a wiki and hardcore players alrready write the goddamn wiki pages because they had access to alpha/beta/ptr
MMOs have generally stayed the same, it's just the people and how we interact with it have not.
Carter Campbell
Didn't they bring in Jay "fuck that loser" wilson from the d3 team over to WoW? It's bad enough already that he had to shit up one game.
Logan Cooper
Start a group or find a guild around your level that can work with your time restraints.
Leading groups is challenging but rewarding.
The AotC achievement requirements are for people that have been around the block a few times and don't want shitters and carries to ruin the run.
Kevin Ward
It's just another symptom of the casualization of blizzard's target demographic. If you don't spell things out like that for some people they just lose interest.
Hunter Davis
Yes, and Adventure Mode saved Diablo 3, to a certain extent. The added RNG in WoW is really shitty though, and it the reason people lose interest in Diablo 3 as well. I don't understand why they'd bring over this system, and why they let BiS legendaries be this powerful, this important, and this filled with RNG. Stupid.
Luis Morales
this, plus the market has been saturated with korean shovelware trash. constant cash grabs left to rot.
people who weren't around for uo, ac, anarchy online, eq, daoc, early wow, and whatever else get sucked into these trash games and hype them up as the "next big mmo", they pull players away from solid western entries into the mmo market, and the playerbase is stretched too thin to keep populations high enough to sustain more than a few successful mmo's at any point.
honestly i place 99% of the blame on those fucking korean devs.
Angel Ortiz
He retired from Blizz before Legion came out. Not before he left his mark though.
Hudson Miller
adding onto this, a game like Rift had (emphasis on had, current content is mostly garbage) VERY VERY good raid content, but the playerbase simply wasn't there.
they had devs who actually gave a fuck, interacted with their playerbase, tried as hard as they could to put out solid, challenging content to contend with a game like wow, and where did it get them?
nowhere. nowhere because three times a year some new shit tier f2p p2w title from the east gets dumped on the western market and pulled more and more people away, people who didn't come back, didn't stick with the game they went to, and instead just quit altogether.
fucking koreans i swear.
Eli Kelly
>Sub runs out in 8 days and I just can't do it. Are you retarded or something?
It takes me like an hour to make 40k, and that's as a complete noob with little market or economy skills
I have tokens lined up for like six months, and I barely even play the game
Brandon Ward
OP, I am interested to know what you think will make the game better?
Camden Morris
he's saying there's no reason to bother farming at all because the game is shit you autist
Elijah Watson
what drops em anyway? i no lifed this game from release to now and haven't got one since.
i know emissary caches, but what about random world quests.
Isaac Moore
I switched specs to help my raid and had to take almost an entire week off because of personal issues. I'm so at behind now that I'm not even part of the main raid group anymore and I honestly don't feel like it's worth my time to catch up.
Elijah Wright
>Male group specifying it was just a normal, non keystone mythic run >3/4 invitees bitch about 'where's the timer/what key is this?'
Fucking ignorant cunts.
Daniel Nguyen
>got rogue to 110 >get to suramar >reminded on how much fuckin time i spent there >withered army is gay shit without a tank spec
no never again, i dont give a shit about nightfallen anymore
Josiah Johnson
Rift didn't die because of Koreans, it died because it was an inferior WoW clone released when WoW existed so why would anyone play it?
Raid content is irrelevant, like 6% of vanilla WoW's playerbase did raids. WoW declined because they focused development on raids instead of content for ordinary players.
Sebastian Bennett
>It takes me like an hour to make 40k, and that's as a complete noob with little market or economy skills >I have tokens lined up for like six months, and I barely even play the game
If this were true, the price of tokens would be seven figures due to supply and demand.
John Powell
It's 69k on my server and I've earned 1,3 mil since the start of the expansion and all I do is just flasks from my mats in between running dungeons and raids.
Luis Foster
The two greatest causes of WoWs dropping subscribers are that the game is getting OLD. It is experiencing a natural bellcurve of a product life. Second, it is due to COMPETITION. Games like LoL absolutely stole players that used to play WoW.
Jack Perry
If anyone could make a token in an hour and a half, everyone would do it and the price would be through the roof. You must have gotten lucky on the professions system.
Samuel Ward
This desu
The game is more than 10 years old, and other games have come out that give people the enjoyment they got from WoW without a sub.
Oliver Price
It is true, you have to be fucking retarded to not be able to make tens thousands of golds in an hour.
Luckily there's a lot of fucking retards.
William Gutierrez
like i have enough shit cluttering my fuckin screen. cant be assed to get more addons to unfuck it.
but that chat window shit bugs the fuck outta me
Samuel Jones
>You must have gotten lucky on the professions system. It's not luck.
Starlight Roses go for 170 gold each on my server.
I can gather about 120 per hour pretty fucking easily, which is a 20k, and I get about another 11k with the mining I do while gathering these roses.
You can also make tons of money flipping flasks, and it is not lucky or hard to make flasks either.
It only took like three hours total to max out my Starlight Rose gathering skill, so it's not like it is hard to pick up herbalism.
Lucas King
Do what I've done: give up completely and start RPing
Ayden Rivera
So, how do you do it then?
Ryder Russell
NA or EU?
Because right now the token prices for EU are fucked
Nolan Hill
>so why would anyone play it?
because the content was different, the players were different, and most of all, the soul system giving you the versatility to play every single role and a lot in between, which wow doesn't have.
that was rift's big attraction and it still hasn't really been touched today. unfortunately the game is all but dead now.
Brayden Barnes
>Entire progression comes to a halt because the only drops you get are jewellery with shit stat priority. Even my artifact appearances are 1/a fucking billion RNG drops from bosses. Come the fuck on.
Jaxon Fisher
You can make money fairly easily in WoW. Its just most player can't be bothered to figure out how and some also value their time more than the money they spend on their sub.
Blake Myers
>Starlight Roses go for 170 gold each on my server.
Because it has a low drop rate and only loads in a 110 level zone. If anyone could get 120 per hour, the price would plummet as they flooded the auction house. Basic economics, there's no such thing as a free lunch.
>You can also make tons of money flipping flasks,
Just outbid/undercut the AH barons who sit there 24/7?
Xavier Barnes
They drop from doing anything in the entire game at this point.
I got all mine in Mythic + boxes at the end.
Ayden Parker
>3 legendaries over a month in and the legendary drop chance is still fucked in favor of those who already have one. nice.
Noah Collins
>The entire function of Legion endgame is grinding >Expected >Everything is designed around RNG And here is where it all goes to shit, gear rolling up, Legendary gear being completely RNG on if you get one. AP grinding is throtled to all fuck, Alts might as well not even fucking exist because there are so many time-gates to everything.
This entire expansion is a ploy to get people to stay subbed as long as possible and its fantasitc that its blowing up in their faces as people are wising up.
Logan Thompson
>because the content was different,
So why play Rift instead of just playing the next WoW expansion? WoW is the best theme park MMO, no-one else comes close to the quality of its world design. Rift was a boring, lifeless world with no reason to give a shit about it.
> the soul system giving you the versatility to play every single role and a lot in between,
People like having roles. Otherwise why bother having a class system at all? MMOs which try to break the holy trinity always fail.
Brayden Reyes
There's Chronicles of Elyria, but it's being sort of dragged down by questionable design choices. Mainly characters aging and dying, leaving you to reincarnate as their child.
Cameron Collins
>tfw I have a legendary for my off spec
Life is cruel.
Henry Brooks
At least they went vanilla. On balance..
Ian Butler
>If anyone could get 120 per hour They can easily, though.
Even on my first run through the zone with zero knowledge of nodes or paths I got about 60 in an hour, and that's on a level 2 Starlight Rose, so I only got 70% of my roses.
That's still 10k in gold
There's some people that can get 200 in an hour, so I'm nowhere near at the skill ceiling for gathering roses.
Samuel Fisher
My brother. Exact same situation.
I loved DK. Ever since WOTLK. But they keep fucking frost over and UH is boring as shit. Holy fuck, I can't believe how badly they gimped DK's. They removed our mobility skills except 1 because they don't 'fit' our class, but the one mobility skill we have is fucking horrifying.
Owen Perez
At this point I'd be happy if I could get a legendary even if it was on my fucking alt.
Brayden Bennett
Leveling was always, always, ALWAYS a pointless grind and fuck you for pretending otherwise.
Carter Bell
>>People like having roles. Otherwise why bother having a class system at all? MMOs which try to break the holy trinity always fail.
i think you misunderstand. rift still has the tank/dps/heal trinity (plus support), but the soul system allows any calling (same as a class) to play as a main tank, tank healer, aoe healer, some kind of raid support role, aoe dps, ranged dps, or melee dps.
the souls are still just as complex (more complex actually) to play than wow, but you can do everything whereas with classes in wow you're somewhat limited in your ability to play multiple roles in raid, pvp, or a dungeon.
>So why play Rift instead of just playing the next WoW expansion?
see above. but right now, there isn't really a good reason because the current development team is full of complete pants on head retarded autistic shitstains who cannot differentiate a spreadsheet from fun.
Lucas Reyes
that wraith walkin shit is the goofiest skilll i've ever seen
Noah Thomas
>They can easily, though.
Basic economics. If it worked like that, everyone who passed through would be drowning in them and prices would plummet. To get 60 in an hour at 70% is one every 40 seconds, including crushing time. It'd take longer than that to travel between them even if there was always one on the minimap.
Nathaniel Price
>Channeled >Can't jump during it >Literally getting stuck on 50% of the terrain in the game >My human looks like she's stabbing herself in the neck every time I use it
I fucking hate this skill. I fucking hate this class. I want to reroll into another class but the thought of grinding out AK and suramar again make me want to kill myself.
Jonathan Hughes
Rift was always a WoW clone and they always die.
Wyatt Johnson
I unironically enjoy leveling 1-60 and 70-80.
Ian James
you're still not really getting it but okay user :^)
Nathaniel Reed
you know whats even funnier ? I can purge it as a shaman. I laugh everytime I see one of you fucks try to get away.
Hudson Thomas
>be druid >willing to play feral resto or balance >tfw no legendaries ever drop
On the fence about which spec to play but getting a legendary would really make me dedicated to one of them. Currently have balance as loot specialization since its legendaries change your playstyle and seems fun.
Jason Butler
Right, DKs aren't meant to be mobile because 'muh class fantasy' of walking wall of death. How about give us something to compensate for making us completely immobile, other than a fast run that gets stuck on stairs and sharp corners. Like how scary is a DK pursuing you if he can't follow over slightly uneven terrain?
Right now DH has 5x the mobility and double damage. Whoever is in charge of DK class design is asleep at the wheel.
Matthew Wilson
>one every forty seconds Again, it was easily achievable by someone who had literally no experience in gathering starlight roses and had no route plan, including a lack of a Sky Golem or Stirrups for farming while mounted
>it'd take longer than that to travel between them It does not take forty seconds on a mount to travel between rose nodes, they are bunched up and almost everywhere in Suramar
It's not basic economics, you're forgetting that a majority of the population of the game are absolutely retarded.
Wyatt Ramirez
Basic economy tells me that if you don't have a major inflow of gold "from nowhere" (AKA garrison syndrome) then the prices of tokens shouldn't change much.
If it's only ridiculous prices set by the players then the amount of gold on the market stays the pretty much the same, it only changes hands.
On another topic: the game needs some major gold sink, that isn't some shitty cosmetic or mount.
Cameron Scott
That's fucking hilarious. Because its so sad. I don't do minigames but fuck my class. Just fuck my shit up.
Exactly. Even with their DPS nerf i'm seriously thinking of rerolling into my DH because at least it's fun. And I can fucking move as one. And not get stopped by a fucking incline.
Aaron Howard
I get it. Every WoW clone is different than WoW in some way, but similar in 90% of the ways, and the 90% is what people are bored of.
People who still like WoW aren't going to switch because of a different spec system, people bored of WoW will be bored of Rift et al.
Bentley Johnson
>Why am I not as mobile as a class that was designed from day one to be the most mobile shit in the world C'mon bruh, barking up the worst tree possible. As a Warlock I sympathize greatly, but you should know full well we got thrown on the chopping block for CLASS FANTASY and there aren't going to be significant changes until the end of this expansion or the next one at the earliest.
Jack Ward
i feel like all the new zones are catered towards DH.
that fucking glide specifically
Kevin Rodriguez
>On another topic: the game needs some major gold sink
Bring back the old MUD mechanic: rent costs for keeping your gear when you quit the game.
Jacob Roberts
When you design a portion of the game around mobility and castrate someones mobility, they suddenly are dead weight. Pun fucking intended because fucking christ I can't do shit in mobile fights as a DK.
Hunter Torres
>blizzard devs think demo Class Fantasy™ is spawning a dozen shitling imps
Chase Fisher
>Even with their DPS nerf They went from first to like 5th best damage in the game, some nerf. I'm considering doing the same thing. Fuck being handicapped because it's not your 'turn' to be overpowered or whatever.
Brayden Garcia
Well I don't know what to tell you brother. Try playing a Warlock and see how good you have it compared to them. Its lightyears different.
Lucas Stewart
>Even with their DPS nerf i'm seriously thinking of rerolling into my DH because at least it's fun. Even after the nerf they're still a top tier DPS spec. You really don't have anything to lose by rolling one if you're jumping ship from DK.
Easton Fisher
Meanwhile we laugh every time anyone tries to get away from or kite us thanks to GETOVERHERE. And by anyone I mean mages, priests, and warlocks. Nobody else runs. That's only Blood DKs by the way. Not a single soul runs from a DPS DK.
>Whoever is in charge of DK class design is asleep at the wheel. I'm pretty sure they've all been fired over the years and Blizzard didn't bother hiring new ones. Whenever another class team gets a creative block they work on DK.
Angel Richardson
I dunno what to tell you either.
DK's and warlocks are just in a shitty position man.
And i'm bitching about something that I find to be a problem on my death knight. I'm not the guy you originally replied to. but on mobile fights? Fuck all of this noise. I do my gay ass little wraith walk, pray to god that the nearest rock doesn't choke my movement, and then realize I go without my mobility skill for the next minute or so.
I played a warlock to 110 during the invasion leveling event and tried demonology. Holy shit, who designed that spec in legion? They deserve a fucking lobotomy.
William Diaz
I wouldn't jump ship so quickly, wait for 7.1 notes. They clearly want to do something else to DH. Its the most focused on class right now because people are crazy butthurt over the mass pruning and destruction that happened to every class while these guys get to show up, look cool as fuck and top meters as well.
Logan Johnson
I never got this either. I always assumed that demo would be about summoning fucking ECKSBAWKS HUEG demons to fuck shit up for you, not lolimps.
Colton Brooks
Is it not?
I like imps.
Sebastian Nelson
raiding is fun.
Nolan Rogers
With how Warlocks have been treated and continue to be treated this expansion I really have to wonder what the fuck happened behind the scenes between MoP and now. There is a very overt vendetta towards that class. Probably has to do with all the devs playing mage.
Lincoln Hall
Did they ever fix the bug where green fire wasn't working with Legion warlock specs btw?
Hudson Thompson
>time gates limiting how much fan you can have What is limiting your fun exactly?
Benjamin Stewart
when will warlock babbies finally kill themselves worst fucking bitches.
Ryan Bailey
Pretty clear that the devs play druid and mage among others, druid hasn't been anything less than top tier since BC and mage has always been extremely solid
Camden Evans
S-Sorry.
Brayden Evans
being illidan in black temple was the highlight for me honestly.
warrior campaign put a bad taste in my mouth, especially after i did it on my rogue.
jesus fuck what an easy fuckin campaign
Brody Wilson
Some imps are fine especially as a filler shard spender like HoG but they didn't even try to have 1 bigger than normal demon summon. They could have done something cool with talents where there could be separate impmaster and bigass demon talent setups but that would take away talent slots from the pruned defense and mobility cooldowns.
Lucas Jenkins
>Warriors >Coulda been anything >Leading a ragtag band of mercenaries and heroes in your own PMC >Coulda been a fucking hero beyong heroes and brought respect to yourself through glorious bloodshed
Instead
>DUDE >VIKINGS >LMAO >At least you coulda had Lothar and Grom in your class hall >People bitched about it and now all you get are fucking vrykul
Hudson Stewart
WOW WAS COOL WHEN WE WERE ALL 12 LIVING IN THE SUBURBS LISTENING TO NIGHTWISH WATCHING BLEACH DRINKING PEPSI WHILE RUNNING STRATHOLME WITHOUT A HEALER DURING WHICH WE CONSUMED DORITOS AND LOOKED AT NERF GUNS ON EBAY IN INTERNET EXPLORER CONNECTED THROUGH AOL ON A 56K MODEM BEFORE HOPPING INTO OUR BALDING FATHERS' LATEST MIDLIFE-CRISIS-IMPULSE-SPONSORED JAPANESE-BUILT SUV TO HEAD TO THE MALL AND GET MORE SKATEBOARDING SHOES AND THIRD-RATE IRREGULAR LEVIS AND MOUNTAIN BIKE PARTS BEFORE HEADING HOME, VOTING DEMOCRAT AND DOWNLOADING HUGETITS.JPG.EXE ON KAZAA WHILE HUFFING PAINT IN YOUR GARAGE BEFORE TALKING TO PEDOPHILES ON MSN MESSENGER PRETENDING TO BE WHATEVER CAMWHORE THEY'RE RANTING ABOUT ON MYSPACE WITH A MATRIX QUOTE/ANIME CHARACTER NAME/TRIPLE SIX-ASTERISK-PARENTHESES-SURROUNDED SCREENNAME BEFORE HEADING TO YOUR SUPPOSED "GOOD SCHOOL" IN THE MORNING TO BUY MORE POT TO SMOKE DURING YOUR MOLTEN CORE RAID WITH JIMMY AND THE REST OF HIS FRIENDS TAKING RITALIN AND ADDERALL AND PROZAC EIGHT TIMES A DAY BEFORE TAKING A CASUAL PASS AT LOCAL, STATE OR NATIONAL GOVERNMENTIAL FIGURES, LEGISLATURE, OR STRUCTURE TO APPEAR EDGY AND INTELLIGENT IN FRONT OF YOUR BUDWEISER-SNEAKING, LIMP-WRISTED, NEAR-TO-COLUMBINE SOCIOPATHIC "DEEP" FRIENDS WHO PLAY THE VICTIM WHEN THEY START LOSING ARGUEMENTS SIX DAYS BEFORE THEIR BOTCHED SUICIDE ATTEMPT SIMPLY BECAUSE SCHOOL TRAMP NUMBER TWELVE WOULDN'T GO UNDER THE BLEACHERS WITH THEM TO LET THEM GET TO SECOND BASE BEFORE THEIR THIRTEENTH BIRTHDAY.
Noah Cruz
Druid pvp ranges from shitty to average, ferals can't aoe and their ST rotation is the most annoying and boring one, balance are on the lower half of the pack in ST with below average aoe and bears keep having trouble with threat for some reason. Just saying, it's not all fun and games for druids.
Resto is god tier at pve though barring mana issues and bear tanks are great if you can handle the threat issue.
Aiden Miller
DK campaign is kind of pissing me off. All the lore is interesting, but there's pauses in the campaign where you have to do 60hrs of order hall garrison-style missions before you can continue the story. No actual gameplay, you just have to sit and wait for these missions to continue, at 12hrs a pop multiplied by 5. I wish they would stop making order hall missions so integral to the game, they're not fun or interesting or anything, they're just blatant time sinks. Apparently the attunement for Karazhan is going to be partially order hall missions also, which is annoying as fuck.
Cameron Davis
what sucked about warriors was it took a lot longer than every other class. they dun goofed since everyones campaign was supposed to take as long as the warriors for those mission timesinks.
youre fuckin gimped until then with that 3rd relic slot bullshit
Jeremiah Reed
Every class campaign has this, user. Not just DK
Wyatt Russell
I don't see why beartanks need to have such garbage damage when they have to compete with the sentient ignore pain button for top survivability tank. It's not even a contest there.
Noah Martinez
They hotfixed that a couple weeks after launch but if you played a warrior before that it was a living hell. I saw other classes with their third relic within a week while I wasn't even halfway there yet because of fucking order hall missions.
Jaxon Anderson
whats the coolest champ hall? only been to rogue and warriors
got sick of warriors very quick and you cant mount in the rogue hall.
Jeremiah Russell
DK, DH, or Warlock,
Tyler Perez
I honestly just want to go back to FFXIV but all my friends are playing WoW right now.
Andrew Wilson
i literally got stuck on the scenario where you free thorim and shit because all the mobs fuckin wrecked you and you were forced to go prot basically
so that didn't help it go by quicker. it even bugged at the fuckin spider boss bitch and so the door wouldn't open. what a frustrating scenario
Ethan Howard
The rogue hall is awesome, and you learn why Broken Shit happended.
Angel Hill
Warrior's class hall would've been 10/10 if they went with the original idea of having dead warriors from the past chilling in it. I don't even care about making them followers for missions - I just wanna see Grom or Lothar chilling out in the mead hall and trading bantz.
Jayden Bennett
DKs should get to fight on their mounts at 20% speed (40% after pale horse), but have NO rush mobility.
Since WC2 all important DKs are going around in a horse. In WC3 they where made for vamp aura speed.
Warlocks should be able to move in the nether and pop somewhere in a fiery blaze of felfire. Also demo should be able to either impspam or big ass demon.
Charles Johnson
Warrior has worst damage.
desu warrior should get all damage removed and just have IP.
Brody Morales
>Blizzard >letting you play your class your way No no no no no. No. You will eat whatever shit they deign to throw at you and you will like it.
Tyler Cruz
DK is already getting nerfed in pvp.
S5 guilt is to DKs what white guilt is to whites
Luke Adams
>Want to play FF >There's nothing to do and it's boring as shit >Want to play Warcraft >It's an unbalanced, poorly designed clusterfuck
I think I'm just going to take a break.
Nicholas Perez
>shitter cant do damage as prot war
Eli Green
>Legion launches >Decide to wait it out and see what the verdict is after a month or so >One month later >People already bored out of their minds and dropping the game P O T T E R Y
Isaac Smith
i can say this now after eating this shit for quite some time. wow pvp is fucking terrible. its garbage, its literally just a side minigame.
its not fun, its not rewarding. its frustrating in wpvp and offers nothing. get gangbanged or gangbang is all it is
no new bgs this expansion. av literally unblacklists itself every loggin. cant even blacklist even 3 bgs. capture the flag sucks, the only decent ones are eye and ab
Joshua Sanders
>BDK: DS shouldn't be on RP, here is why >CM: Yeah no. We decide how you play fuck off.
Juan Nguyen
Literally lowest damage tank m8
>wow pvp is fucking terrible. its garbage, its literally just a side minigame. No shit?
Ian Thomas
>wow pvp is fucking terrible. its garbage, its literally just a side minigame. It only took you twelve years to realize this.
Daniel Parker
so non existant?
Brandon Wood
>go to wow forums >people already posting quitting threads
Joseph Collins
>White guilt >Non-existant
Julian Lewis
>want to play an MMO >it's hopeless >mfw I own WoW, ESO, FF14, GW2, BDO, and have sunk Kikestarter money into a bunch of dead on arrival shit
Zachary Harris
you spend too much time on tumblr
Elijah Bell
People do that shit all the time over literally everything. The WoW forums are the absolute last place you want to go to know the state of the game because the sky is always falling to those idiots.
Carter Howard
if only there was a cheaper alternative with no gear grinds.
Jack Jones
If only a sequel to GW2 wouldn't be literal rat shit
Luis Wood
the more time i spend lurking there, the more i just have an unrational hate for people that are playing the same game as me
especially that reddit tier downvote system. from the hotlinka ass kissing to the shit tier trolling, i dont know why i fuckin go there randomly
Brody Gonzalez
>Legion is the best expansion wow has ever had Quit spreading misinformation, Its Cataclysm with world quests
Eli Jones
They fired Colin and since then GW2 has been an actual sequel, they are literally continuing from Eye of The North with the stuff they wanted to make for the unreleased GW1 expansion that became gw2, there's even the chronomancer, you can't make this shit up.
Adrian Gomez
This is what happens when Blizz puts the focus on endgame raiding then doesn't even bother releasing all the raids. Was especially bad back in WOD when the only raid that was available early on was a level-scaled Molten Core which was neat, but nowhere near as fun as it was in vanilla.
Xavier Collins
Can I play BDK or BDK like?
Julian Bennett
Also something of note, they have implemented multiple systems that allow you to invalidate said raids with gear that approaches above even raid quality.
They focused on endgame then gave a million options that bypass the progression.
Nathaniel Rodriguez
Guardian has blue skills, wears heavy armor and has some binding shit like BDK, it's all about punishing heretics and shit.
Henry Perry
> Molten Core >Fun
Molten core is easily the worst raid blizzard has ever designed. Nobody liked it even in vanilla.
Leo Phillips
>>Legion is the best expansion wow has ever had >Quit spreading misinformation, Its Cataclysm > >with world quests For a moment I thought you were an absolute madman.
Wyatt Gray
>these blanket hotfixes with no actual thought put into them because enough people bitched >all those points you put into a spec thats now shit
morons. absolute madmen
literally hit 850 without even touching the fuckin raid which is weird as fuck. i've only done like 8 mythics total so most of my gear was random world quests that randomly titanforge
Jace Smith
Can I hit people in the face to heal myself and look like a smug faggot while doing it?
Kayden Price
>Fray Island unused >No greatest living warriors joining under your banner >Just GLURY TUU ODEN, I EM VALOR-JAR, and AHM RETTI TO FAIT.
Nolan Robinson
>the real class fantasy
Kayden Parker
I'm playing on a private server and I've forgotten how fun WoW used to be.
Michael Diaz
yeah
Jose Parker
What is my character even working towards?
Gear all looks the same and the only thing differentiating items now is the level. Even legendaries use shitty old models. And the story? Where is that going? It's completely unclear after finishing all the quests. Where the fuck is Gul'dan? Why hasn't he appeared once since the opening scenario? What about the rest of the multitude of dead demons they brought back? Where are all they? Why has nobody mentioned vol'jin or varian's death since the start? What the fuck is the focus of the Alliance and Horde war effort? Greymane and Sylvanas are just fucking around, what about the rest? Why are there almost no legion troops on the actual continent?
Jackson Scott
DK's true fantasea: >BDK Solo the boss for 50 minutes while the raid cries because you didn't just wipe while the other half cheers their self healing wall hero >FDK I'm mage melee brother! Together we're slow machines! >UHDK Mom said it was my turn to be the hunter-warlock.
Christian Sanchez
Heaven forbid you like the game without flying mounts. The fastest way to rack up >100 downvotes is to say the game is fine without flying.
>WoW forums, where it is not OK to have a different opinion
Julian Edwards
everytime i do a heroic and its halls of valor, i just want to kill myself. at least odyn is cool looking.
all these dungeons are just full of trash. maw and wardens are the only redeemable ones.
i'm never touching court of stars and arcway ever again.
Isaac Collins
I like how the trash is actually worse and harder to deal with than the fucking bosses. What the actual fuck.
Josiah Lewis
aight cunt i'm sold. What is the best tank race?
Jason Long
What? You can skip like 75% of the trash in both arc and court.
Ayden Nguyen
I don't really mind the Broken Isles with no flying because the areas are pretty small themselves. It's just the framerate drops and area loadings that are annoying
Parker Hall
>dont like flying? >well you dont have to use a flying mount!
there are some retards on that forum
always love the samey posts like "pvp on a pvp server?"
WoD was fine without it. i returned before expansion release so i had no flying. it was by far not fun gettin 3 shotted by faggots with flying mounts and legendary ring.
tanaan fucking sucked
Lucas Reed
>DKs will never go to light's hope and get the fucking body after asking tirion if he'd be OK with being a DK to fight the legion post-mortem and keep the DK/Pally brothership >Warriors won't be basically Azeroth's most dangerous mercs >Worgen still can't fight unarmed >Factions are still a thing for PvE Just.
David Morales
I'm pretty sure people only play Unholy because they molested Frost by forcing them to use two swords and do no damage. I refuse to believe anyone unironically enjoys WoW pet mechanics.
Eli Reed
If they bring flying to current content they better implement personal ore and herb nodes, Because flyers are going to be diveboming that shit till the end of time
Thomas Anderson
it gets so mindlessly tedious at a certain point tanking these dungeons.
i cant think of a dungeon that has just as much mandatory trash as halls of valor, maybe black rook?
Jack Davis
Don't let that asshole lie to you user
The game has no tanks you are just "tankier" then cloth and leather but the game is 100% focused around wpvp and ranged is king
The "bgs" are all just koth with 2v1 back capping in high Mrr and low mmr is just people running around brainlessly and if you try to tell them otherwise you will be shunned
Also the games balance is worse then wows the Devs have 0 idea how to balance and shits always broken or complete ahit
Cooper Roberts
You know, I asked this myself, Did not Blizzard have super long time to make this? Yet there is artifical content lengtheners and just us gathering the pieces of that Keeper/Titan artifact while some shit old demons just hang in Suramar. No one makes an effort.
Hunter Morris
>prot warriors dinky artifact ability that is channeled and knockback can cancel it
they went lazy mode on these
Hunter Jenkins
>focused around wpvp Thanks user.
Brody Watson
>BDK's is just an AoE frontal cone ds that heals for shit unless you're getting pounded
Dylan Powell
>int haste trinket from emissary box >im a prot paladin
Haha fucking hilarious blizzard
Jace Lee
And by wpvp I mean a map that is like winter grasp with a Zerg of 200 mindless people running around in murder groups on both sides
In a low chance you get both groups to fight each other it's always the group with the biggest pod of people in it because aoe spells will murder your frame rate on a toaster and half of your Zerg is shitskins from hue hue land
So be warned
Connor Wood
runnin bgs even with guildies sucks dick.
most rolled demon hunters and are obsessed with top damage even my guildies like to complain about no one defending a point we just capped when they do the same shit
you know how many times we just completely ignore farm at the start while everyon darts passed it to rush lm or some dumb shit. its fuckin insane
Ryan Ortiz
New sims are out, good news DK mains! I fucking lied.
Isaiah Reyes
Not letting me have Tirion as my final Horseman is the only thing I didn't like about the DK campaign. Other than that all the champions are bro as fuck.
It's nice that Acherus actually became useful and hovers above Broken Shore ready to wreck shit.
Jackson Thompson
The flying threads are always someone at the top saying 'Perhaps not having flying isn't so bad?' then all these faggots with 10000 posts swoop in and say "ACKCHUALLY FLYING IS GOOD FOR THE GAME AND YOUR OPINION IS WRONG" and mass-downvote the original guy for liking playing a game where you actually see other players occasionally outside instances
Oliver James
user we are talking about guild wars 2
Tyler Gomez
Naw m8, in the moment you said wpvp I dropped it.
Alexander Perry
Well, they're good news! They're just not dead fucking last.
Logan Sullivan
oh
Gabriel Davis
>Warlocks If a warlock's running away from you, you're doing something terribly wrong.
Ayden Evans
desu I'm kinda split they didn't just raise him after asking him if he'd be up to wrekt legion assholes
Parker King
>sims There's literally 0 fights on EN where you stand still and hardcast on a single target for the entire fight so who cares about patchwerk damage.
Owen Reyes
Okay just don't like seeing people lie to other to come to gw2 and have to go "wait you rused me"
The game is all cosmetic winged faggots with REALLY easily hurt feeling and the one or 2 bro tier dudes that come back just to do the store and leave until the next one to come out
Xavier Torres
>rolls on a pvp server >complains about pvp happening >thinks "pvp on a pvp server" isn't an argument you're a special kind of retarded, the same kind of retarded that brought this game's quality plummeting
Matthew Baker
DKs are pretty slow too.
Oliver Reed
flying worked in BC since some shit was gated off until you had it.
this pathfinder stuff can fuck off though
Jordan Collins
It's like a duel between a mage and warrior, but both are knee deep in molasses.
Austin Moore
Thats some dumb fuck reasoning. Yeah, there wee some areas you could only get if you had flying, but who cares? That doesn't mean anything. And that still lead to every single problem with flying that has existed since it was introduced.
Thomas Thomas
Do i yet have the highest ilevel - the game.
Xavier Watson
>ilevel >mattering hahahah
Hunter Sanchez
>it's a "mage in your party does ~100k dps" group
Chase Butler
It's finally time for us to admit that Legion is ______
Fill in the blank Cred Forums
Zachary Nelson
Better than expected, not as good as it could or should be.
Ryder Young
from what i've seen, mages are really hit or miss, mostly miss
>LFM 845+ only Normal Mythic bring flasks know fights must do 200k kick if 100k or lower
Colton Lee
Not worth the sub fee
Angel Baker
the only correct answer
Lucas Brooks
>Shittalking Ragnvald I challenge you to Mak'gorah
William Jones
>festering strike twice for my opener hoping to get 8 wounds >only get 4 >bottom of dps chart because of rng on that fight and that fight only
Evan Phillips
Whats currently the best healer class?
Carter Turner
>Friend started playing at legion launch as a demonology warlock >other friend wanted us to do group finder dungeons together >first group goes fine cause no one cares >every group after that wanted to kick him >other friend doesn't let them >he gets bullied about his bad dps in every group he's in >tries dk >doesn't get far >quits the game with his warlock still at 101
Don't bully people with low dps please
Ian Bell
>Swede mcuckold bet he likes it when I slap some val'kyr ass with my big meaty human hands.
Aaron Russell
Back to the grave, Death Knight scum
Evan Taylor
We have already stolen koltira. We'll steal your soul next.
Jaxon Perry
pvp? mistweaver and even shaman
pve i dunno, paladin can be good, shaman too
James Martinez
Oh bo ho, Koltira the useless who got outshnied by random Forsaken Pc.
Nathaniel Cooper
It's still resto druid. Although the actual pack leader at this moment is surprisingly a disc priest from Area 52, iLevel 876.
Jeremiah Thompson
reminder Ebon blade broke into her city and bashed her head in so fucking hard forsaken cucks threw a shitfit until it was toned down.
Michael Bailey
Fuck that guy and fuck all of viking heaven.
Jose Perry
Implying they could do the same now when all the Horde is on her side. Also, shit writing of Blizzard gonna be shit. So many NPCs changes mood in the terms of Ghandi to Stalin in 1 fucking milisecond.
Matthew Ramirez
>can fly into stormwind anytime outside the rogue scenario >have to actually sneak through it instead of flying over all that shit and landing in the small courtyard next to the throne to get the kingslayers
lol what the fuck
Asher Nguyen
Shaman and Mistwalker for pvp
Resto druid for pve but all healers are good. Resto druids however suck in pvp. They even buffed them while nerfing other healers and they're still low tier according to arena placements.
Joseph Rivera
I feel you, bruv, i really do. A posted as a warlock main and honestly, blizzard pulling the "but you're the tankiest caster class" to validate demo's turret like hard-casting play style was the saddest thing to see. Plus the fact that right after posting such a statement they decided, in 7.1, to put demon skin in the same row as dark pact, it's a royal bloody mess and they're validating, with each passing day, the tinfoil hat theory of butchering the class thanks to xelnath's (sp?) dickery.
Tyler Peterson
>All of the horde I see your horde and raise you The Iron Scourge
Aaron Nguyen
>EMERALD Nightmare >The whole raid is red >This is literally blizzard's whole design philosophy and we fell for it again
Ayden Parker
M8, wow balance is always bad and it's always some dev sucking off some class at some level: See druid or mage that's always OK tier at least and how quickly they've forgotten (and just generally gutted) DK and Monk.
Devs are proud minigamers since they're still anally destroyed about s5 DK being OP as fuck, but forget the aids that was ret in general.
Dominic Martinez
>The Old Burning Iron Scourge
Jace Brown
May metzen come back and deliver us if Bolvar "If I see it I raise it" Fordragon gets into UA draenor.
>UA Ner'zhul and gorefiend gen 4 DKs warlocks inside demon bodies
Carson Walker
That sounds so fucking stupid that it comes back around and becomes awesome again.
Jaxson Taylor
The only undead faction now is the Forsaken, the rest is just filler shit.
Christian Gutierrez
I'd be happy if they just straight out said "we ain't giving you squat" to the warlock community instead of beating around the bush and give us an iota of hope for a brighter future.
Julian Carter
>running dungeons
This shit is so boring, kill me now
Aaron Fisher
>MMOs have generally stayed the same
Are you shitting me? LFR and the impossibility to die during quests are the new things, the abominations.
John Thomas
I'm pretty much playing it just to make gold these days because the gameplay is total ass. Making about roughly 90k a day ezpz.
Camden Brown
>Farm herbs for 2-3 hours >Get enough gold to buy 2-3 tokens on EU
Christopher Long
At least Warlocks got more than "yeeeahhhh we're looking into it, mhm."
Also some specs are OK damage wise.
Jeremiah Diaz
>want to play >no guild >no raid team >stuck doing suramar quests til they run out then spam trade chat with "Outlaw Rogue LF Raid" >mfw people start asking why I don't have raid achivements for pandaland or draenor
Jordan Gutierrez
>Horde leaders dying in battle >Alliance leaders executed in terrible ways in front of audiences
Samuel Carter
You know there's an LFG tool to find raids with right?
Lincoln Cox
>Outlaw
You deserve it
Brody Moore
>Applying for raids/guilds in trade chat Worst thing to do
Henry Jenkins
>prot warrior is the spec that gets the artifact talent to increase rage cap when they literally never actually generate rage >fury and arms, the specs that could actually use a higher rage cap, get nothing
I just don't understand Blizzard's design decisions, and I don't even think they do at this point.
Benjamin Cook
>finally researching to be able to wear 2 legendaries >not even 1 has dropped yet >even if it did drop, 5/8 chance of getting a shitty one
I'm having so much fun.
Alexander Gomez
>IP is pretty over tuned >Let's nerf rage generation so the spec feels like a literal walking wall because you generate dogshit rage without a lego
Nolan Turner
...
Brandon Foster
>dat autism
Joseph Powell
Apparently they're considering reversing the nerf and hitting IP instead of rage gains which I'm okay with. With how it is now you don't actually have enough rage to even do anything except spam IP on cooldown. FR is a retarded mechanic in general but at least it gave me something else to spend my rage on and let me squeeze some more damage out.
Oh, so it's just Fury that gets fucked. As usual.
Evan Johnson
>finally started legendary research >I have 3 >Can wear more until arbitrary time passes
I'm having so much fun here.
Colton Stewart
Honestly they should nerf base IP, buff scaling a bit and make it 70% instead of 90%
Christian Ramirez
>I do my gay ass little wraith walk, pray to god that the nearest rock doesn't choke my movement
there's a glyph that fixes the wraithwalk. I paid like 20k for it. It's retarded but it works.
Aiden Price
I haven't played in years, this thread is making me consider resubbing.
Does anyone want to level with me and start a casual as fuck guild?
Isaiah Taylor
>Guildy gets lego >tfw you're ready for him to get another At least it's the monk +movespeed to the raid.
Tyler Torres
Do not.
Jonathan James
why not? I have no game im really into at the moment so it would be fun for a few months
sometimes I have a craving for skinnerbox shit that only mmos can give me
Jose Morales
>Throw all my other classes out in favor of trying demon hunter >Holy shit they're actually good >Holy shit I can double jump and glide passively. There is no other class that has such luxuries to begin with. >Holy shit demon hunter tanking is crazy good. I'm soloing mythic bosses when my retarded DPS die and I never EVER die in the world. >Holy shit their DPS is superb too
But I'll give you that Demonhunter is like Blood DK on steroids, speed and rollerblades.
Juan Hall
Just give us the fucking horse and a dedicated banter button.
Michael Edwards
There's at most, two weeks of casual content, then you're into grinding mythic raids just like WoD. You will probably get bored in 1 week though.
Alts are out of the fucking question too this expansion.
Brayden Barnes
So I've been trying out an Undead Marksman Hunter
Is the combo just terrible or is it me?
>Doing no damage >Pet can't hold aggro >rotation is literally 3 buttons >Animations janky as hell >Bow looks worse than half the ones in my transmog menu >What the fuck even is this Artifact spell? It's literally pointless unless in a group
Is Beast Master any better? Might just power through to 102 to get the alternate spec
Wyatt Campbell
>Competitive alts are out of the fucking question too this expansion. ftfy
I'd say level up the other classes for the end-classhall scenario/lore which is fun. Fuck the timegating.
Gabriel Reyes
>What the fuck were they thinking? Gotta sell the new toy on the box, user. Even if that means making the older toys not as good.
Lore is shit. If you want story there are thousands of better games or books out there. WoW lore is abysmal.
Landon Rivera
DBM literally draws arrows on your screen so you don't have to pay attention to anything, why is being able to not use it a bad thing?
Ryder Morgan
>getting an itch to play hunter instead of druid >levelled one hunter to 100 during invasions >remembered I made it human instead of night elf
Fuck.
Jaxon Martinez
>Undying outdoor tier (AKA shit in raids) BDK>DH >Raid god Warrior >It's ok Druid, Paladin >[Muffled chinese cries in the distance] BrM
Zachary Bell
WoW lore is fun because how bad it is.
Lincoln Campbell
>Time to bring it all together in one package. The bad thing is most games that try this fail horribly.
Luke Myers
It's fucking crazy what I can do on my Vengeance compared to my Blood who is right down there with Brewmasters as the most gimped tanks in the game and easily the least mobile tank in the game. Gorefiend's Grasp is awful and sometimes just doesn't even fucking work. Hand of the death is the same way. Wraithwalk is them trying to inject something from Heroes of the Storm into WoW and failing miserably.
Vengeance has so many tools and utilities that put them ahead of not just Blood but many other tanks. It boggles the mind to think how Blizzard could publish Legion death knights especially Blood death knights when compared to other tanks.
Tyler Butler
I know that feel bro
>Did a couple of archery lessons as a kid >Literally every single race apart from Female Night Elf holds the bow completely wrong >Human female animation still clips through the body
Brandon Garcia
M8, blizz fucking hates DKs, not even qq, they said the DS changes where bad and why and the CM came out and literally told them to shut the fuck up because that change isn't going to happen. And like 70% of good bdks left the game in droves or rerolled.
Matthew Wilson
My favorite is how most races hold melee weapons like idiots too. Like, look at the human male stance when they hold a shield and sword - they literally don't even hold the fucking shield in front of them.
Brody Evans
>Play a female Belf DK because of Fap Artwork >She holds her shield behind her
Sigh...
Cameron Bailey
Same here but in 6 days As a rogue I have to pray the rng gods since I have 1/6 of doing competent dps as a frost dk I don't even try and blood is boring as fuck
I cpuld try another character but not even the bot is cracked for this expansion so fuck everything
Isaiah Martinez
>DK >Shield
James Richardson
Fuck meant Paladin
Tyler Jackson
I was farming +10 mythics on my Blood DK, and never had any complaints. I actually got praised by people as the best tank they had seen in ages.
Itemlevel 863 and weapon level 24. Gorefiends Grasp works fine, it just has an annoyingly long cooldown.
I quit this week though. Not because I was dissatisfied with Blood DK, but because I got fucking sick of the RNG itemlevels, timelocks and other restrictions. Fuck leveling alts and having to redo the artifact and quest grind.
Carter Sanchez
Shields are fucked up in all races, except tauren because they can't move their arms.
Robert Ward
>And like 70% of good bdks left the game in droves or rerolled.
Most Death Knights in general rerolled. The clunky rotations/abysmal DPS numbers were enough and just look at how quickly and dutifully people were hunting for the hidden artifact skins. The paladin community was ALL OVER getting Corrupted Ashbringer and they discovered every crazy hoop needed to be jumped through to get it.
Blood's hidden appearance is just a reward at the end of the withered training. The Frost and Unholy appearances still haven't been found. People just don't want to play this class anymore at least not beyond an alt.
Oliver Davis
If you look at the add-on Atlus Loot Enchanced, it shows that bosses will drop item level 900 gear eventually.
Gabriel Jones
resto druids fucking suck at high level mythic+
holy pally is the real deal
Aaron Nelson
I knew this was going to happen once I read "All runes are death runes" and the fact I was comming back.
Every xpac i go back to DK gets meme'd on.
Nolan Scott
>get 3 relics for sb crit chance during block >vengeance >take 75% to ip at half health talent >keep block up and ip at half health, fr on crits Wow so hard, they should leave the spec how it is desu. It was overpowered as fuck before, but now you actually need to minmax it to be at the top.
Jonathan Lee
>100 posts bitching about suramar grindan
I started pretty late on the game but I'm 7/7HC already since I got full mythic/normal raid crap in 2 days due guild carry
What the fuck are you supposed to obligatory get in suramar?
I don't even unlocked world fucking quests yet
Carter Green
Femhuman surprisingly holds shields properly, actually. As properly as this game can get.
Kevin Flores
Like someone else said, the game is entirely old cynical wowfags that cant quit. They all have recount or w/e the new dmg meter is and its all about doing that damage. Theres no interaction just a means to an end. The community is faggot. He should be glad they bullied him, he got to witness the game as it is before he got too invested.
Adam Reed
I'll add that as someone who has played all tanks at lvl100, Blood DK is definately the one that takes the most effort though, as literally 100% of your damage "mitigation" is active mitigation through self-healing, meaning you'll have to be on your toes 100% of the time to always have a heal ready, whereas other tanks can pop passive mitigation like shield-block or huge absorb shields and just sit back for a few.
You take a lot more damage on top, due to lower passive damage reduction, which puts even more pressure on you at high mythic+ levels, and can make you somewhat awkward to heal due to your constantly bouncing health pool.
Again, I found the class fun to play. The thing that ruined it was the core game design of constant restrictions and RNG loot.
Chase Robinson
DH plays exactly the same as BDK. Also the game is back to wrath's "Bosses two shot the tank"-mechanics
Camden Cruz
>let's make gearing an RNG shitfest with piss-easy raid content since we can't really balance expecting everyone to have a good RNG genius, well memed Blizzard I love progressing for one week with my semi-casual guild then starting farming because you can't even make mythic hard
Sebastian Cox
What do you mean? Fuck you. I've been combat since BC I know, but what choice do I have?
Bentley Gutierrez
Your post makes a perfect candycane pattern on the mobile version.
Jayden Stewart
Press the I key sometime in game.
Mason Carter
He dodged a bullet, as a tank I kick every piece of shit with no dps I don't get a group of 3 subhuman dps to solo the dungeon
Elijah Flores
I love how the game punishes people that stick to playing one class over the years. They drastically change specs/classes to interest new people in trying it and completely exhile the players that had been playing it since the start.
I could no loner play the game after the abomination that warrior had become in warlords of draenor. I mean it was gradually getting made worse and worse every expansion, the removal of stance dancing and the arms rotation being made whirlwind and mortal strike was the final straw. I dunno how people can continue to feed money to this company that shits on loyal customers so hard.
Xavier Young
except mages and rogues of course
Eli Adams
>tfw
Logan Morales
>lock since vanilla >this expansion
I just don't care anymore, I stopped playing more than 1-2 months into expansions in cata
Blake Long
FLYING FUCKING WHENNNNNNNNNNNNN
Jacob Lopez
>tfw death knights have cool armor and you're busy being a weeb with a spear
Christian Adams
Wrath much it makes Cred Forumsdrones butthurt was pretty much the last xpac where the idea was "build upon the class" after that it went full on "rework each xpac lol" it's apex so far being legion.
>Muh class fantaseaaaa >All specs lose most fluff spells >All specs lose their tools and given randomly to one specc
Kevin Cox
>have to play zoomed out to not get distracted by horribly clipping animations >they remove extended camera distance end it all
Luis Nguyen
>4 bind classes doing the most dps WE WANT THE MOBA AUDIENCE
Xavier James
At least moba doesn't control itself like shit. FUcking minigamers.
David Powell
I can't imagine what running this place must be like as a DPS/Healer.
Carter Taylor
>do raid finder >first boss is literally at the entrance >the rest of the raid is just a bunch of rooms that you portal to
Is this what it's like on other difficulties?
Michael Robinson
>enhancement shaman I CAN STOP AHAHAHHA FUCK THIS IS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE ON TOP BABY, IT'S BEEN 13 LONG YEARS BUT WE'RE FINALLY HERE
until the WF change gets nerfed.
Liam Torres
>make dumb mechanics that require a wide view >dislike players using max range camera >limit camera
>make dumb positional mechanics >dislike players using addons >limit addons
>make every boss pelt the raid with constant damage >dislike healers spamming their AoE spells >limit mana pools and regen
Third one bothers me the most. Their design so unintuitive lately. It's like the only way they can make the game more difficult is by making it more bullshit.
Henry Rogers
>Is Beast Master any better? Not by much. The animations are even jankier, but the rotation at least makes some form of sense. Survival is the most polished of the three, but it's undertuned as shit.
Kevin Bennett
vin diesel is a minigamer
Hunter Hall
as a warlock its just more pets to add to the mix. I send out my fellguard to get aggro and let the army loose. I think it'd be pretty easy as a healer if you're able to heal them
Alexander Parker
No, raid finder have less trash the map is shortened the bosses have only one phase and like 50% less hp/dmg, LFR is totally different from the actual raid
Jordan Baker
fucking bullshit, that's what.
Connor Ross
at about 20+ withered and a few upgrades they do all of the work anyways
Jacob Roberts
So you now hit 2 times instead of 3? It was actually a nerf for PVP
James Davis
I finished it on my rogue. It's the only other character I have at 110. I have come to the conclusion that everyone is a fucking casual. Your withered do all the work, and to start out you only need to pick up the upgrades and leave.
Cameron Nguyen
But is it really just a series of portals to boss rooms?
Zachary Murphy
MM huntards are at the top 3 dps git gud you fucking retard
Isaiah Ramirez
Thats literally just Emerald Dream
Hunter Richardson
>LFR is totally different from the actual raid not really. the LFR trash hall after the first boss takes a lot longer even thanks to everyone triggering the fucking mist monsters
Jace Cooper
How do you stop that invisible guy from using blade dance on your withered?
Matthew Martinez
On normal mode you walk in an Nyth is right there, then there's a small tunnel of trash which leads to the portal room.
EN is shit. The bosses are uninspired too.
Robert Perez
Hard CC.
Andrew Ortiz
not him but just strangle/stun him whenever he starts doing that gay dancing shit.
Rogue is the only class that can completely bypass him by bribing him.
Gavin Mitchell
Thanks. I had a feeling it was all this poorly designed.
Isaiah Torres
Still need his Key to unlock the door.
Christopher Powell
I'm a venge DH so I don't really have a stun. Fuck.
Jason Taylor
>normal mode
Daniel White
nice nubs I honestly can't imagine how people have fun in retail wow I fucking WISH I could still like it. It's just so ass now.
Jonathan Taylor
teach me your secrets, I am at 852 and doing +4 is already rekting the everloving shit out of me.
use that fear sigil thing
Alexander Martin
>Class fantasy
>Paladins lost seals and auras >Hunters lost trap and half their shots/stings >"tactical" Arms warriors are more spammy than fury >Sub/outlaw rogues somehow forgot how to use their poisons >Destruction lost it's embers to get fucking soul shards back
Anything i'm missing?
James Collins
It's important to get all the upgrades you can prior to entering the main area, which is where you begin to encounter the spider people. After you leave the cave, Dro will spawn in a random area. He can even spawn right on top of you. You shouldn't be trying to go very far unless you have a sizable amount of Withered and it's generally wise to never even bother with withered training unless you can bring the most or closest to the most withered possible.
Dro's blade rush can be interrupted by your own stuns/CC's or by the withered berserker charges.
Usually if I know I'm going to die I run for the nearest large chest and send off my withered. You don't need to be out of combat to warp them away and they instantly stop fighting when they're sent off.
Try to get the trinket from Halls of Valor off Odyn. It's a five fucking second stun and is one of the handiest things for a vengeance DH.
Bentley Hill
Sorry I still think of Heroic as Normal in my head with normal actually being easy. Haven't started Mythic yet.
Thomas Rogers
get the buff from the nightfallen chick which prevents you from dying. the aoe bubble it creates will 3-shot him
Adam White
dumb frogposter
Aaron Hughes
Can we stop talking about normal and heroic as if they were the intended difficulty for raids, only mythic matters
Josiah Brown
Shaman totems got fucked and turned into regular ass cooldowns.
Adrian Gray
>Class fantasy >remove all fluff and fun skills because "muh skill bloat" while all the retards who hate fun cheers on
>dying on cho
If you die to him all your weathered are probably dead anyways.
Joseph Rogers
>fury class fantasy is taking more damage >DK class fantasy is having no mobility
Liam Jackson
I'm not wrong
Blake Barnes
Well no one was actually discussing the difficulty until you started meming about it. People were discussing the layout which is identical in all difficulties.
Hunter Gutierrez
Half the classes don't use mana anymore
Gavin Flores
MIGHTY VALARJAR HEED MY CALL
Jackson Allen
yeah and mythic is a joke, we've raided two mythic evenings and are 5/7. Apparently Xavius isn't even the second hardest boss so this is pretty much it, Cenarius is the best they can offer and that's that
what a joke
Henry Wood
>Dro will spawn in a random area. He can even spawn right on top of you He patrols the area while in Stealth you incompetent retard.
John Carter
do people unironically play fury? why would anyone want to take MORE damage just to do mediocre DPS?
Zachary Flores
>use that fear sigil thing
It's kinda shit and goes off even if he doesn't stand in it
>Try to get the trinket from Halls of Valor off Odyn. It's a five fucking second stun and is one of the handiest things for a vengeance DH.
I use that already but the CD is too long to stun him twice.
Ryder Cooper
Is the effectiveness in PvE and PvP still similar to WOTLK in terms of being dependant entirely on gear?
Brandon Hughes
trinkets and set bonuses dont do anything in pvp (not even pvp trinkets). so not really
Isaiah Hernandez
that was beautiful
Jack Wilson
On pve, yes, on pvp everyone autolevel to 850 itemlvl so the one that 2vs1 or have 1 healer win 99,9% of the time
Joseph Carter
Dro won't spawn until you actually step out into the area you dopey cunt. He stealths around and pats but he straight up isn't fucking there until you leave that cave. I always spectral sight around for him on my demon hunter and I never spot him until I start clearing the spiders.
Ethan Edwards
Pretty much been the same layout forever, except for the availability of optional bosses like that one in ToT I for one, will appreciate the downtime and not having to play 4 nights a week starting from next week or the one after, since I have some IRL shit coming up and was afraid it would affect my raiding schedule in the near future
Luke Wood
GW2 was the first mmo I played that made everyone equal and it was boring as shit
Thomas Gutierrez
pvp is a minigame now everyone have pretty much the same stats so its only a matter of the number of people spaming cds or the healers to win
William Wilson
Best spec on 110
Bentley Davis
>win ranked 2,2k arena >get 840 gear as a weekly prize >auto attack some world boss and tab the game >get 870 gear
Jackson Bell
>trying to kill disc priest in pvp >literally impossible
John Gray
If only thinking about this game didn't make me feel nauseous
Lucas Harris
So PvP is more similar to BC where people don't get blown up in 5 seconds like in WOTLK? I don't miss 45 min matches but dying in 30 seconds by the fotm wasn't fun.
Hudson Cruz
Is the Legion app bugged for anyone else? For some reason I can't recruit silver knights anymore and give items to champions. I'm away from my pc for a few days, and I thought I can still do something, but clearly it's not allowed.
Noah Ortiz
I just enjoy it more than Arms. That spec is boring as fuck and FR is a retarded mechanic you have to use to actually do anything with the spec. If you don't take that talent Arms is as shit as Fury.
Also I got the legendary execute ring so my DPS is comparable with Arms now. It's fucking bullshit that they cut a key talent like Sudden Death just to put it back in a legendary item most players will never see drop. Just having that one passive talent back makes the spec play completely differently and brings my DPS up to viable levels.
Joseph Hernandez
>Actually has a pet >Says artifact ability is bad
Yeah go play BM, it's better suited for braindeads like you
Noah Martin
>disc You can barely kill ANY healer 2vs1 popping every cd, killing them 1vs1 is literally impossible unless you was a pre nerf broken DH or something
Brandon Phillips
>kill a world boss >get nothing >run a dungeon >get nothing
Juan Taylor
because they made mana absolutely pointless on anything that isnt healer. Im pretty sure arcane is the only DPS that can actually run out of mana, and their spec is designed around that. For fire and frost the only resource is cooldowns
Julian Hall
I don't think raids have gotten easier, I'm just not struggling with soccer moms anymore. Spending hours and hours on an encounter with the same people I finally cleared Mythic Archimonde with should be enough to clear mythic raids. Even then most of what holds us back is stupid mistakes. Although I am too nervous to try Mythic+ dungeons.
The downtime will also be nice. And fuck all the preparation you need to raid. I'm just going to sell all my runes.
Joshua Russell
>BC where people don't get blown up in 5 seconds
Say that to my arcane missiles mage bitch
Anyways, no, this is a clusterfuck of trash its like a LoL match, you will always lose 2vs1 and 1vs1 always win if you have ults
Jaxon Martin
Warlocks can run out of mana since they're built around tapping and draining again but you'd have to a retard to OOM yourself on one.
Jose Cruz
Broteam?
Ayden Taylor
don't know what to tell you. If you're taking too much damage, you can always start kiting with Death and Decay. You should always aim for at least 5+ Boneshield, and maximise your Blood Shield by using Death Strike after you've taken enough damage in 5 seconds.
Don't risk letting your Bone Shield dropping of by spamming Heart Strike. Spam Blood Boil every CD and don't be afraid to use Vampiric Blood as the cooldown gets lowered by using some abilities (I forget which). Your greatest asset in AoE packs is your massive AoE damage, ability to interrupt (brain freeze+stun, grip +aoe grip) and low cooldowns on Vampiric Blood and Magic Shield, as well as an having Dancing Rune Weapon which is a massive DPS boost and an alright dmg mitigation, although depending on RNG.
You learn to time your Death Strike heals so they match enemy damage abilities, effectively canceling them out. When you know a heavy spike is coming, you start stacking up Runic power so you can do 2-3 Death Strikes in a row.
It helps to roll with a competent and experienced healer who knows how DKs tank, and doesn't frantically spam heal you and waste his mana every time you take damage (as he's used to from healing other tanks).
Easton Bennett
>hurr durr your talents that you used to have are bound to items now
Dumbest shit I've seen in a while.
Luke Scott
>BC where people don't get blown up in 5 second
>what is arms warriors >what is rogues >what is mages >what is retri palas (with mana) >what is demo locks (before the nerf)
You might be thinking about cata, the expansion where every character was a motherfucking raid boss
Nicholas Kelly
a competent rogue will shit on most healers. Even as a DK, I force their heaviest CDs out by just doing a standard interrupt+stun+grip rotation.
Angel King
Thanks for the reply, I am doing about 80% of the things you mentioned in the post but the kiting part seems to be the most important thing that I have missed out on doing.
Dominic Smith
Do you have brain issues? Every healer have a LoH spell like now and rogues lost 50% of the cc and can only do dmg for 12 seconds every 3 minutes
Wyatt Hernandez
Anyone?
Justin Walker
I miss when a mage in 4/8 T6 and 4/5 S4 gear died in 5 seconds after I spell reflected his pom pyro.
Dominic Richardson
>Every healer have a LoH spell like now >tfw druid
swiftmend suck balls
Nicholas Martinez
10/10
Dylan Davis
>hot yourself >go bear >/lol at the rogue while you life go up
Xavier Rogers
>killed 6 world bosses across 2 characters >no loot FUCK YOUUUUUUUUU
Samuel Carter
I get that but I meant in a PvE sense, swiftmend is trash compare to every other LoH-esque heal spells in the game.
Nolan Baker
>need melee interrupts and tons of stuns to stop a healer >tfw ranged
Joshua Gutierrez
That's because GW2 is boring as shit. GW1 made everyone equal and had great PvP.
Easton Fisher
I made like 500k from farming herbs in 3-4 days which got me about 6 months of gametime tokens on EU just from selling 1.1-1.2k priced potions, pretty much set for nighthold and stuff.
And what the fuck is up with ventus runes not working in mythic raids, like wtf blizzard
Adam Adams
>he fell for the legion will save wow meme
wow will LITERALLY NEVER EVER be good again. the magic you once felt when you would log in will not come back. be smart unsub and move on
Luke Wright
It used to be the best heal on the game for like 10 years so fuck yourself
Parker Anderson
should say that kiting is a double-edged sword for Blood DK, as creating distance between you and the enemy will also prevent you from healing yourself. I fucking hate when priests pull me away with their grip, as it fucks my rotation. Kiting is a viable tactic on high mythic+ though, and we probably do it much better than most tanks due to how Death and Decay and Bloodboil spam works, provided the DPS loss is compensated by the other party members.
With a competent healer and your own willingness to use your cooldowns liberally, you become an AoE tanking machine though. I was pulling 500k+ DPS on 4+mob packs, which is very important for reducing the time spent tanking and thus making most use of your defensive cooldowns.
Gabriel King
Sorry if you're too retarded to kill a healer, bro.
> rogues lost 50% of the cc and can only do dmg for 12 seconds every 3 minutes
You're bad at the game, stop playing any time.
Brody Flores
>tfw spending 13$ a month to roleplay because I have money but not the energy to do tabletop nights anymore Growing old sucks.
Connor Brooks
Seriously stop being so motherfucking retarded, any class that have a interrupt is 15s cd with another one with 3m cd, everything is balanced to trash now, you can't kill any healer that is not a keyboardturner grill clicking the spells using the touchpad of her gaiming laptop
Joshua Cook
You might want to instantly delete the following directories:
Cache Interface WTF
Sounds like your outdated information is anchoring you.
James Robinson
I swear to god it's you and only you who shitposts this in every Legion thread. Literally no one gives a shit out Fray Island. >dude muh vanilla quests though You want some shitty little island with a couple of rickety wooden buildings because of nostalgia? Fuck yourself. You're what's wrong with WoW. >greatest living warriors Literally who other than Saurfang, who is currently the Orc faction leader? Again, fuck yourself.
You'd rather have fray island than more Titan lore? Fuck off. Reroll to a shitty little class like hunter.
William Reed
>iktfb its the mainreason why i'm about to drop wow really no fucking loot in so many dungeon runs and WQs fuck this game seriously
Landon Long
sounds like you've never played above 1400 rating, Senpai.
Colton Richardson
I literally started playing healers since 3 days ago and 8 waves from proven healer, no bully pls
thanks again, a friend who got me into wow in the first place is returning for legion and playing a pally, I will try to communicate my strategy to him when he eventually starts doing mythic+ with me.
Nathan Sanders
I haven't played since I had a free month in MoP, is it enjoyable to go through the old content that I missed?
Nathan Kelly
>copy everything from Diablo >forget to make loot drop like candy
How can one team be so retarded?
Alexander Miller
>arenas are 1v1 have you ever played one?
Ian Taylor
What.
Lucas Murphy
>and WQs That's based on your spec. At the same time, Blizzard intentionally gives loot with the worst possible secondaries.
Log on mage, cloth gear everywhere. Log on as death knight, money and garrison rewards.
Eli James
>Finally get a legendary >Aggramar's Stride >Have the Crusade talent >Mage uses Time Warp
BY THE LIGHT
Sebastian Price
if you're incapable of killing a healer 1v1, you can't play arena above 1400 rating. Any competent player can kill a healer if they time their CDs properly.
Let me guess, you're one of those shitters who barely pull 100k dps in dungeons.
Easton Rodriguez
>18 days playtime at 110 >over 300 dungeons done >still no legendary
Daniel Russell
I wouldn't mind if they were tied to artifacts or relics from bosses or some shit - something you're guaranteed to get if you put enough effort in - but tying them to legendaries is just fucking awful. There's a good chance I might have never seen that item drop and then I'd have to respec to Arms and grind out all that AP all over again or find another class because Fury just can't work without it right now.
I just don't understand Blizzard. Every design decision they make seems like a bad idea; something a sane man would take a step back from and say "no, we shouldn't do this".
Levi Fisher
>WQ >be balanced druid >check map >woow 845+ epic trinket quest >has agility on it
Andrew Green
>Play Brewmaster >Your offense boring as fuck >Your defense is rng >Your only good big trait is offense >Your sustain is triple fucking layered rng Who the fuck thought that "chance upon being hit to spawn an orb that has 15% chance to be big orb that has chance equal to crit for 65% additional healing" is a good idea?
Michael Parker
>log on pally >int trinkets everywhere
Dylan Davis
Those folders contain information about your character. That information can become corrupted due to expansions and patches. If someone rarely or never deletes them, that information continues to grow into misinformation being sent to the server, which can result in all sorts of problems, such as flawed drop numbers. That misinformation can never benefit you, only hurt you.
Juan Cook
>Other tanks can mitigate damage, helping save healer's limited mana >Monks don't, they just die slowlier and bleed out after each pull
Daniel Gutierrez
do you actually believe that?
Adam Rodriguez
any competent healer can avoid getting killed if they time their CDs properly
Henry Wilson
I thought it was a misquote.
Ian Edwards
>warlock lead designer gets fired during MoP's inception >coincidentally Warlocks are cream of the crop and one of the most fun classes to play in all 3 specs across an entire expansion cycle >Class in the hands of nobody who cares about it post-MoP, gets hit hard by WoD pruning >Incoming demon hunters has blizzard effectively butcher demonology for the entirety of 6.2, reducing the class to 2 specs until Legion >Destro lost all flavor and cosmetic effects due to Fire Mages having bootleg fire versions of verdant spheres (rip burning embers) because muh felo'melorn as well as combustion being reduced to a shitty 100% crit cooldown and taking the engulfing effect >Affliction is gimped to fuck and relies on kills for its weapon to be used to its fullest potential, still as dull and dreary as ever >Demonology has a nice idea on paper, but the class is so clunky to play and empowerment has to be weaved in between every fucking spell, shadowbolt is just there to make it feel like your class hasn't lost absurd amounts of options, flavor and been gated into stupid decisions like picking your movement speed talent or your class' best survival cooldown
warlocks are dead forever
Jordan Green
Not him but honestly deleting your cache/WTF folders solve most problems people have with the game and cause most of the problems to begin with so I wouldn't even be surprised if this was tied into them too.
Lucas Wright
tfw 855 lock and I cant get into a single Mythic+ group
haha thanks blizzard! real great end game content that is unplayable unless you are a lucky fuck!
Logan Evans
he's implying that your cache folder somehow has an influence on your item drops, which is completely retarded.
Michael Clark
You can't heal them
Dylan Wright
Do you use add-ons frequently? A player with no add-ons barely has anything to worry about. Yet a player that has half a dozen add-ons running at the same time (like me) can easily run into weird problems.
Michael Perez
befriend a healer and/or tank and sign up with them.
Parker Nguyen
>emerald dream >opposite of green is red >nightmare implies bad, disarray, unnatural
???
Samuel Smith
I have more troubles with Legion app. It shows everything incorrectly, can't do this and that for no apparent reason, etc. And I guess there's no method to fix that either.
Christopher Garcia
not getting the loot you want is not a "weird problem".
Evan Turner
I hate that I share a board with people who still play WoW.
This game is the most dumbed down and butchered video game in the history of the medium.
I honestly think (and hope) the people playing this game don't actually enjoy it, they just continue to play out of habit
Dominic Davis
It bothers me how the emerald nightmare is red and not fel green or shadow purple.
Carter Sanders
they busy
Nicholas Torres
Not getting anything at all is a problem.
Hunter James
So glad you faggots keep making these blogs
Blake Cruz
I'm so sorry you feel that way It makes sense to everyone else
Asher Cox
>sandbox MMOs never have a decent endgame What are you expecting? WoW could be a sandbox if it just didn't have theme park gear and itemization. There's no depth to +mainstat, and there's no anticipation to WPvP without risk.
Sandboxes like EVE play really well after getting some decent gear skilled up, but there aren't really a bunch of games to choose from to criticize. Sure, EVE would be better without skill training and everything unlocked, but it's not challenging making a theme park game get sandbox features.
Inb4 "but that's not a fun idea". What else defines a sandbox but risking and roles to replace gear? The linearity and permanence is the reason for lockouts from theme parks.
Asher Russell
Nostalrius proves you wrong
it had millions of players
Kevin Reyes
>opposite of green is red
???
Isaiah Perez
No, it's a basic and normal game mechanic.
Carter Morgan
>This game is the most dumbed down People say the same thing about fighting games. Are they one of the top 25 players in the world?
Aaron James
Tanaan was already entirely green and purple. Save some of that for later.
Alexander Bennett
>The game seriously is just DiabloCraft now but with time gates limiting how much fun you can have.
It's the exact fucking opposite. There's too much fucking shit to do. It's claustrophobic and makes it not fun to play. You always feel like you're wasting time that should be spent doing something else.
Samuel James
>green red and blue >not yellow blue and red
Zachary Baker
It was also free.
Colton Anderson
>muh six million
Christopher Walker
It was also free.
I'm not going to lie, Blizzard's laziness/greed is what is preventing legacy servers from existing.
Kevin Martinez
That's correct?
Jordan Gomez
>epic 840+ relic from a WQ >its once again one my spec does not use fuck off, seriously
Henry Lee
That's the light spectrum wheel.
Carter Williams
>Kill 20 magic boars for world quest >Get ilevel 850 piece of gear significantly better than raid gear
Cool
Dylan Jones
>blissfully ignoring Overshill
Nolan Ross
> Blizzard's laziness/greed is what is preventing legacy servers from existing.
I think it was mostly pride, them refusing to acknowledge that they fucked up the game with their expansions.
Robert Sullivan
As someone who us relatively new to WoW, what actually is the point of being exalted and having very high reputation with everyone?
Parker Morris
If they were completely motivated by greed they'd set up legacy servers but you'd have to pay a separate sub fee. I don't see how greed = no legacy servers.
Alexander Hall
Yes. And? Is light somehow not important to color?
Jason Ramirez
No, it's not, see
Cameron Cook
It used to mean something. Now it's just a lame way to get crafting recipes and meaningless cosmetic toys. Grinding Nightfallen to exhalted is a requirement to unlock flying in the future though, because some story quests only unlock at Exhalted.
Sebastian Wright
light is only important to color for our eyes. colors would exist without light anyways
Thomas Fisher
Yellow, Blue, and Red are primary colors, user.
Green, Orange, and Purple are secondary.
Notice how the image user posted has no Orange.
Jason Howard
>millions of people playing a terrible game that they hate just because it's free
nu-WoW apologists, folks.
Asher Wright
>850 >significantly better than raid gear
Tyler Hughes
I think its mostly a matter of them not wanting to manage yet an other dev team for a game that would make them less money than HotS, with zero E-sports potential
Gavin Price
You guys seriously don't know about the two color mixing ways?
Nicholas Gonzalez
Thats deep man
Christopher Cooper
The painting color wheel is more important in terms of design because that is how people conceptualise color.
Austin Evans
>hate picking herbs >but I have to pick herbs >can't stop picking herbs because of all the herbs I'll miss if I don't
David Garcia
>the big Diablo announcement is that they sell the ip to EA >the Diablo team will manage a vanilla wow server
Angel Flores
Street Fighter 5 is heavily dumbed down, though
You don't have to be a top player to realize that Capcom literally said in interviews that they designed the game to be more casual
Like WoW, in the next expansion it's gonna have 5 spells per class. They want 5 year olds playing WoW on iPad's.
Matthew Sullivan
ive made assloads of friends through questing + wpvp on feenix, nost and kronos 2, not counting level 60 stuff.
neo-wow is shit
Lucas Morales
>feel like playing my hunter alt >remember the class hall missions and artifact knowledge >go back to my druid main immediately
Sorry buddy, maybe when they implement artifact knowledge to apply to all your characters I'll finally be able to play you. I don't even mind doing Suramar again.
Austin Young
2 mythic dungeons are gated behind Nightfallen rep.
Artifact skin tied to nightfallen storylines within the raid etc.
Thomas Phillips
Isn't the dungeons honored only? Which is like trivially easy to get while you still struggle to get through the area.
William Scott
i played on nost and had two 60's, one of them with good gear from BWL/ZG, both epic mounts.
but I'm hella not spending hundreds of hours again to level up, fuck that I would do it if blizzard released legacy servers. Don't wanna level up on kronos 2 only for the server to shut down, or it dies because everyone moves to a different server, etc.
Dominic Carter
>feel like playing my hunter alt Don't do that, hunters currently have a bug where the loot window closes before they can get everything, including on fishing :^)
Jack Moore
Revered 8500 towards exalted.
Wyatt Hall
It's actually 8k into honored to unlock dungeons
Julian Reyes
>Pathfinder part 1 is just a 20% grounded mount speed increase >Barely noticeable and only works in Broken isles At least it's accountwide
Cameron Ward
>Angsty little shit that doesn't even try to speak to people in wow so he's going to shit on everything because it's apparently different from privs Nice. Epic. I like it my man.
Meanwhile few of my friends already got to know a lot of people simply by talking to them while leveling and now they have made their own guild and clear the raids together.
Cooper Brown
Already unsubbed op, all my friends can't understand why I have. It's boring and shallow I'm done with wow again can't believe I fell for the Legion is good meme
Jacob White
This, I remembered correctly. That's easy gg.
Adam Gutierrez
They supposedly fixed it so that it stacks with Paladin/Deathknight mount increase speeds. Still pointless since flightpaths are unaffected.
Asher Perry
Still sucks, and I don't play those classes
Anthony Nelson
How? Im new
Oliver Green
>I'm hella not spending hundreds of hours again to level up, fuck that
Hunter Butler
Welcome to 4 expansions ago.
Sebastian Roberts
>sandbox MMOs never have a decent endgame What are you expecting? WoW could be a sandbox if it just didn't have theme park gear and itemization. There's no depth to "+mainstat", and there's no anticipation to WPvP without risk.
Sandboxes like EVE play really well after getting some decent gear skilled up, but there aren't really a bunch of games to choose from to criticize. Sure, EVE would be better without skill training, with everything unlocked and fair; but it's not challenging making a theme park game get sandbox features.
Inb4 "but that's not a fun idea". What else defines a sandbox but risking, and roles to replace, gear? The linearity and permanence is the result and reason for lockouts from theme parks, respectively.
Most games don't try though. There isn't even a decent WoW's-fantasy style, sandbox MMO / hotbar game. It doesn't even have to be an MMO, but the game just doesn't exist.
Aaron Ross
>WoD didn't have enough to do >Legion has too much to do
ebin
Jace Barnes
I feel you man, i only ever wanted to play one character not that it bothered me other people liked to have many alts but its just poor to so badly fuck over people that legit loved playing there character from the start. I've not kept up to date on legion other than i seen they gutted Demonology just so demon hunter could be a thing. That just leaves a bad taste in the mouth i imagine. I did the same for cataclysm, play it for afew weeks at launch then don't return till the next one. Although i didnt try pandaland till siege of orgrimmar since it was £15 for the expac then. I fell for the wod meme and didnt last more than a week. Decided to just avoid legion completely.
I hate the whole "fuck it lets just redo the class lol who cares" mentality they have now. Its like they know they are shit and just gave up on even a feeble attempt to balance the classes. Lets just rejumble everything to make it look like we did something innovative and throw it back in somewhere, also get rid of some shit cause fuck it why not, we'll sell those moves back to them in an expansion lol.
Adrian Martin
Progressive raiding ruined WoW. Yet Blizzard still tune so much of the game based off progressive raiders (now streamers).
Connor Kelly
Stop posting this.
Connor Turner
Go back to /wowg/
Cooper Smith
Everyone in private servers is a bitter, jaded faggot that refuses to socialize in modern games. The internet as a whole has gone to shit, because of them. My friend, who I play on live with, tried one of those for only a few weeks back in 6.2. He stopped once we joined a guild. The game was stale and easy, and content would be cleared much faster if there weren't all sorts of gates in place. He was one of the people that complained that there was nothing to do but didn't actually play the game, I never once heard him say that again. There were tons of things we hadn't done yet in fucking WoD.
Ian Baker
Not a rebuttal. Have no argument?
Colton Evans
>spend gold remaking the same item every time instead of repairing your item Woah......
Hunter Cooper
Posting the same meme image over and over again and people getting tired of it, you been shut down plenty of times before, now fuck off to your containment board
Cameron Rodriguez
Not even half a day.
Here's how:
1. Get mining 2. Go to northern Felsoul hold 3. Kill basilisk and mine them for felslate 4. Farm up stacks of 200. Usually around 200 every 30-45 minutes. 5. Sell stacks of 200 on the AH. Post em up higher than market value because people will pay for the convenience of being able to buy a stack of 200 instead of 200 individual ores. (On my server they go for 12-14k per stack)
Worth noting that it helps to have 3 star living felslate mining. Shouldn't take more than farming 400 felslate to get, though.
You're welcome.
Elijah Taylor
still barely stacks with the guild mount buff though
Anthony Garcia
Except it could just be a durability system like it is, except without repairs.