>Online
So when are they going to stop trying to salvage that clusterfuck of garbage and make the single player bearable?
Online
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I'm not still playing, but I keep coming back for some visits every once in a while.
Never gonna get a trailer for it though.
Single player DLC was cancelled last year.
And yes, that's from an actual reliable source.
wheres the trailer kikestar
how did they fuck GTA V up so much, then continue to fuck up GTA:O, even though it was pretty good on release?
Is that when they fucked over the Benz?
How is it being fucked if they're constantly adding content? Genuinely curious because I don't have the game.
still playing it, have a lot of friends who play so it is still fun.
they made a bunch of retarded design decisions to make you never want to actually play it.
one particular gripe is taking all the ways of making money online, and cutting them by 90%.
Races for example would pay a nice amount if you win, now you get like $3k.
I stopped playing like a month and a half after heists were launched. They talked up that shit for about a year and a half and the missions sucked. It was that point too were the in game prices shot up through the roof and I realized it was going P2W
Is money that important in Online?
Online has been salvaged long ago.
it's pretty fucking important, and you need a LOT to do half the shit in online.
so it used to be fairly easy to get a decent amount of money, now you have to do 10x that to get the same amount.
Best I can think off is maybe a player house, guns and ammo (maybe armor too). What else would you need money for? You can just grab cars off the street.
That's what shark cards are for, goy
most cars off the street are dogshit, especially when tons of people are driving around in the best car in the game fully modded.
cars off the street don't even have bulletproof tires, so if a player gets near you then the car is fucked.
Actually, more or less.
Benz had tons of ideas for what he wanted, and immediately after GTAV released Rockstar sent him on a sabbatical.
The Houser brothers then started getting antsy, feeling that Benz was 'getting the glory' that they deserved and schemed to have him removed from the studio. In fact, funnily enough the Housers had no interest in GTAO at all. It was mostly Benz who really wanted it to work (but wasn't given much help). See: how much GTAO sucked on release
After the Housers saw how much money cash cards make, how much Online makes from little to no actual development time they eventually cancelled the story DLC.
Basically selling a Ballad of Gay Tony sized DLC pack for 20 dollars isn't as financially viable than making small DLC packs that take a month of development time, and 3 months of slacking off, then making literal millions from microtransactions.
>They could've ported other games to PC
>They could've made Bully 2
>They could've made RDR2
>BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY NEED TO MAKE MONEY FROM THEIR SHITTY MMO MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
t. someone with no friends to play with
At least 10 million for a yacht.
3 million for CEO offices.
Millions for warehouses.
10 million for a gold jet, 5 million for a gold helicopter.
You could argue this is all 'fluff' that isn't needed, but it's in the game. You also need money ingame to pay for new cars (the whole point of the game) and weapons, along with having to pay daily housing fees, pay for sticky bombs to protect you from White-Wall Tired/Chromed Out/Armored Kurumas.
Singleplayer already is bearable. I want more content, but the game is playable as is.
>implying the focus on Online is Rockstar's choice
Take2 is probably calling the shots on this one.
Fuck GTA.
Those fucking cock suckers still haven't added ANYTHING to the main god damn game.
They just focus on online to push gay shark fucking cards. It's nothing but a shitty cash grab, that's why the fucking shit added to online is sooo fucking overpriced.
Fuck rockstar, bunch of fucking fart sniffing cunts.
So what exactly is the reason we don't get all of the online shit for single player too? I don't want to grind for cash with autists just to dick around in the vehicles
Because if you're able to use it in SP then you won't have to buy shark cards to mod them, see what they're like, and enjoy them.
If they're exclusive to Online then you have to either grind or pay for ingame money to see the new flashy gear.
>So what exactly is the reason we don't get all of the online shit for single player too?
So you have to grind or pay for cash
Fug dis
>V is worse than IV and killed Rockstar
>tfw I bought GTA V for PS4, made an online character, and the tutorial match with Lamar just had me and him racing against eachother.
Is this a dead game? How can I find a nice crew to bro it up with on Ps4 exactly, any tips?
Dude, this game is plenty alive on all platforms.
i still load up the online periodically and i have never found anything but full games
what r u doing
It wasn't cancelled. It's simply not a high priority project atm. GTA Online is a separate game.
Your NAT Type is strict
Im actually horrified thinking of how long that would take without buying money. All those insufferable load times.
GTA Online has been played by more than 50 million people. It's insanely popular.
Also hilariously enough, it was Benz who is responsible for it despite Rockstar firing him. Rockstar's a shit company now and I don't have much hope for RDR2 or any future GTA's being very good.
hey look it another 45 mins of buying clothes/vehicles +upgrade/misc. then getting killed 10 times by some 12 year old in his tank using some shitty godmode script
yay fun
>One Person makes an entire game
No, it's actually cancelled. Any 'single player' content is being moved to the next game, but their priority isn't there.
Yes, I do know someone at R*.
Your Mom's strict.
>not being thankful you didn't have to race any emerging shitters and potentially lose the sweet sedan you were racing
GTAV is still one of the top ten purchased games for all platforms, user. It's far from dead.
imagine unironically think oh rockstar fucked up gta5 . Imagine being so jaded and contrarian
>Yes, I do know someone at R*
Sure budy
I know someone at Rockstar as well and he confirmed there's three story DLCs coming.
What now?
imagine being this shit at english
No you don't. I get your joke, but I'm not lying here.
That's all the information that I have though, beyond that there's really not much to say. It's Online DLC only until the next game, SP DLC is not financially viable for T2 anymore given what they make through Shark Cards.
I miss when R* was a unique company capable of creating good and effective stories with great writing, now they're just activision-tier and focusing on milking the GTAO cash cow as much as they can
>GTA V came out in 2013
what the fuck is a NAT type and how do I change it?
This would be better if it showed that R* released a new game every year since 2001 (GTA3) other than 2007 which is when GTAIV got delayed.
They didn't develop L.A. Noire.
If you don't think they've been developing things behind closed doors for the last 3 years then you're retarded.
Game's shit and online is even worse.
Manhunt 2 in 2007.
Jesus F Christ.
I don't care if it's real or not, when the fuck are they going to release something?
>GTAO
>pretty good on release
You clearly were not there
>People actually pretend GTA V was terrible instead of a return to form which was better than IV in almost every way
I just know you faggots played IV all the time when you were 12.
I was one of the few people who it worked fine for.
I was playing literally the minute it came out.
Well that makes it worse. A new game every year for 12 years.
GTAV releases, and it's game over man.
Uncertain but a new game announcement is almost guaranteed sometime next year.
If felt weird to me to, until I remembered that if you count the current gen/PC versions it came out in 2013, 14 and 15.
I'm still impressed at how R* managed to make people triple dip with GTAV. Not even counting the microtransactions.
la noire was shit. also your list is missing EfLC
>it's almost 2017
>the replay button after missions is still there greyed out
0/10 wouldn't play this trash if you paid me
>Grand Theft Auto
>game is actually about buying cars
But you can get a maxed out super car with bullet proof tires for less than 500k. The Infernus for example. That would be just a couple of days of casual play.
or the 4th heist one time.
Then you have that car forever.
If anything it's too easy to get money when you dont even need it...
>In 2016, these people are now 20 years old.
Not to mention that hits are impossible because a retard will always fuck it up.
Tbh I like bikes in GTA V
I might come back and take a break from Rainbow six
If you have a crew that has heist 3-4 on quick grind it would not take very long.
The most expensive items in the game should require that you play the game a lot.
are they done with making games ?
inb4 one motorcycle in online costs over 500K with its upgrades.
>The most expensive items in the game should require that you play the game a lot.
Exactly. I don't even like GTA:O but people here act like they're entitled to virtual money and it's somehow unfair if you have to play the game to get it.
If you like the game it's inconsequential to your enjoyment. If you don't like the game you're grinding to get it because you're retarded.
What's Shark Cards?
>500K
>no friends to play with
>trying to do heists in order to get bonus money
>fucking ghost town
Is no one doing heists besides friends? I haven't played in a very long time. Reinstalling for bikers though
Buy in game money with real money.
Is there any DLC for GTAO or is it all free updates?
Not played since I bought the PC one on release.
The name they give the cash cards.
Yes, it's all free updates for online.
Shit. Is it fun? Any new heists or stuff added?
Might redownload it.
It gives rich spergs who like to show off online the ability to buy finite virtual items.
I don't blame them, why wouldn't you have the option to milk that retarded audience if you could.
>Could expand on North Yankton
>Add story, sides shit and more
>New gameplay shit
>Done! Single player DLC
>Instead get stupid online shit and only online shit
>biker leatherclub shit
Shame they went from a god tier stunts DLC to this shit.
Uhh, no Heists since the PC release. There's a lot of stuff added though beyond that. And yes, it's fun. A bit of a money pit, but it's fun.
I'm banned until the end of the month.
avoidingthepuddle has very entertaining streams of gta5 stunt races. check it out if you like seeing hagrid from hary potter stream
sent ;)
Don't shill yourself, fuck
I'm someone in his 30s that casually plays games. Team multiplayer games are not feasible since we are all married and most of us have kids. To get all the guys together, even online, would take an act of god.
The majority of gamers still prefer single player to multiplayer and the average gamer is 34.
I wish games would either go full multiplayer or full singleplayer and stop trying to make a mediocre product of both. Problem is 9/10 multiplayer-only games fall on their ass, and for good reason.
But you are obviously underage, so I doubt you'll get it.
I would have enjoyed GTA V a little more back in the day if the game didn't constantly DC me from public lobbies, the last time I played a few months ago I think I was still having that issue.
Did Rockstar seriously not make a trailer for this update? I can feel a half assed update coming our way.
GTA Online*
Still I do hate they didn't try to do anything more with singleplayer and instead focused all their efforts on MP, they couldn't even be assed to add the MP exclusive cars to SP. Also another big problem I've found with online is that by making the game so money focused and gated most people don't bother doing missions and activities that don't generate as much money. Don't know if that's changed in recent times, but back when I played most people didn't touch a lot of the different MP gamemodes.
>and make the single player bearable?
Or maybe just make a new fucking game? Been over 3 years since GTA V.
It's worry some, but Lowriders: Custom Classics didn't get a 'full fledged' trailer it just got a 20 second preview video on the day of the DLC's release.
Which I feel we'll get with the Biker update. But I don't think it will be half-assed, but then again I've be wrong about how lazy Rockstar can be before.
>Thinking people are barely started playing this game
The games been out for years user
Will we be able to finally hit people with weapons and kick their bikes?!
I don't know what exactly you're asking, but yes you can use ALL melee weapons on bikes now.
Probably not 'kicking' like Road Rash, if that's what you're asking. But we're getting new melee weapons as well, a new axe is only one thats confirmed right now though.
Guy on the left is holding it. And no, it's not the old hatchet from next gen. It's new.
People have been asking for biker related shit since launch bro.
dude, brother....I want single player DLC as much as you do but, we have to let it go. it's been years, if it was going to happen it would have. let it go
>No Singleplayer DLC
i just wanna know if theres going to be actual races with weapons and bikes
shits very entertaining, especially the stunt races
Yeah, there will probably be Road Rash like races just like we got stunt races.
So after like what, 3 years, there has to be like 20 heists out by now, right?
Since that is the most fun content that everyone wants, there's tons of that stuff in now, right?
Just Shark Card my shit up
Y-Yeah user, you can even make your own heists now!
I'd say so. Unless you just wanna go around shooting people, which is just GTA4 online then, or even worse with half the people being immune, and for some reason GTA game having penalty for KOS. Or you can just freeroam like it's singleplayer with less money.
Most of the fun comes from driving and tuning really good cars, which are pretty much your personality in the game, since no one cares about clothes, or just driving for some endgame goal that's achieved with money, like that apartment or the 5 million car
It's not fun even with friends.
I've played it with friends.
>he doesn't want to be leatherman
what happened to this board
Oh, sweet. Can you actually make imaginative heists, or just copypaste shoot your way through type of shit?
How about they fix match making?
GTAV's single player is great.
Online is shit though. Nice idea, but horrible executions. It's so fucking obvious they want you to get shark cards. It sucks you can't hire NPCs for missions and they also pay like shit.
Rockstar took over full production of the game after it got delayed. Team Bondi handled the face scan shit.
>500k
>one heist
I'm at the first heist and the pay is like 60k each. I don't believe you.
>Where were you when GTA died
Oh cool. I wonder if they'll fix the constantly shitty servers, the shitty matchmaking, get rid of the stupid fucking bad sport crap, stop adding overpriced garbage, and make the load times not unbearable.
That'd be great.
This. The base game is just not that fun. I had way more fun doing autistic shit in 4 online with friends
Urban races, speedbike tricks in skateparks, speedbikes leaps from the highest building to the slightly lower one, helicopter hunt or sometimes different groups would only be allowed in certain parts of the city, and all of them drove different types of vehicles.
Honestly I think the only good new stuff in V were the heist. All the stuff like sunny environment, offroad, planes etc were just stuff from the old games that weren't new features, but missed ones. But I don't think the lack of these good features in IV were a bad thing, since IV tried something new.
It's only fun with friends.
Good luck finding 3 guys for a heist. And even when you find them, good luck finding anyone half-decent.
He's lying to you, notice his joking stuttering.
There have been no new heists added, they stated when the Heists were released that
"They were a great undertaking so we have no plans to make any new ones."
On the whole currently this is what you can do in GTAO:
Play heists
Play missions
Play races, parachuting, deathmatches and the like
Buy a yacht
Buy an office
Become a CEO/VIP
As a CEO/VIP you can hire 3 other people to be your lackies and instigate freemode events such as delivering packages, fighting the police, collecting underwater checkpoints, and killing targets (among other things)
As a CEO you own an office and warehouses, you purchase illegal cargo to fill up your warehouses that other players can either help you with or destroy for money/xp bonuses
When your warehouses are full (or not full depending) you can sell your stock to an NPC for gain
A LARGE Warehouse of 111 packages will sell for 2,200,000 million dollars in an empty server, the more people in the server (and the more chances of someone attempting to blow up your cargo) the more the cash is increased
And of course you can just fuck around, role play, drive a bus off Mt. Chiliad, explore the ocean, and all that other free mode shit that's always been fun in GTA games.
The
"heists"
are literally just missions you have to start from the beginning when the dumbass with a faux hawk and a kuruma fucks something up at the end on the other side of the map. I have no idea why everyone is saying they're amazing. They're dogshit, tedious, annoying, and have zero replay value.
The most depressing thing you will realize is how GTA Online and its recent expansions is basically Midnight Club 5. Insanely fun checkpoint races? Check. Traffic shenanigans? Check. Introduction of driver customization? Check. Insane air hang times? Check. Massive fucking multiplayer lobbies? Check. No need for Midnight Club anymore! Midnight Club did what Need For Speed couldn't do but they just fucking STOPPED.
>Cred Forums doesn't like this game
What? It's what got me to finally put down CS:GO
They were still something new and fun. I also wasn't talking only about online heists
>he did heists with random shitters
why wouldn't you play online games with friends? They get a ton more fun that way
Well that's it then! GTA is hereby an amazing game!
>tfw want yacht
>tfw no one wants to play heists because there is one kid that always whines to the verge of tears because he has everything because he tricked/whined people into giving him more money
Fucking 25 year old man on the verge of tears over a video game autism is a hell of a disability
>IS SO EAZY 2 GET MONEH
Yeah if you don't have an autistic fucking manchild ruining the game for everyone
Yes I'm angry.
This has to be the most Chad Normiecock comment ever
I did, and they hated them, so they stopped.
Yeah I was only joking about the heists, but there is one thing that I wish GTAO that I think would make it a lot better, a way to create some sort of custom free roam lobby. Free roam is a lot of fun, but there's no real way to customize or change things, that's why I was really annoyed when the project to create more of a private server GTAO was shut down.
>made asian waifu
>kick the shit out of kids
>constant free new content to play with
>can obtain it all because I got 1 billion dollars by downloading a free script
Only downside is that hackers still exist
How much money do you have right now?
Invest in a CEO Office and a large warehouse. Try to find yourself in an empty lobby and just grind the CEO crates and fill up your large warehouse. Within a day of grinding you can make 2.2 mil (as I stated above)
I have currently made close to 40 million dollars ingame from the CEO warehouses and I maybe had people helping me about 10% of the time (probably much less).
The investment of the office/warehouse is worth it as you will gain it back substantially quicker and in less than a week you can buy your yacht.
check out FiveReborn
so now that Rockstar can literally thrive off of gta online dlc, will they ever make abother game? specifically another non gta game?
>Who's still playing this shit?
Everyone I know gave up on it.
It's nothing but a giant grind-fest now, worse so than MMOs.
You almost have to buy those fucking shark cards just to try some of the new stuff, like the yachts and CEO stuff, unless this is the only game you ever play and you have a dedicated clan to play with.
lol this guyyyyyyy
I gave up when a biker gang joined the empty lobby and blew my shit up kek
Also what is with that why are biker gangs in this game such huge faggots?
The game would have been so much fun online if the menus were not so utterly shit and you could actually find some games and play them with friends without all that fucking hassle. And the "free roam" mode could also have been so much better and fun, I was expecting something similar to APB with missions popping up and fun PvP.....and all we got was a downgraded map from the singleplayer with zero events.
>they'll never add in the option have custom outfits that override the shit ones they'll switch to in your absence
>they'll never port over all the new items, weapons, and vehicles they added to online into single-player
>they'll never add interiors
>hanging out with other characters will never not be completely pointless
>they'll never add any new heists to story mode
>they'll never fix Franklin's rushed storyline
>new fucking game
oh to be a child again. They'll milk shark cards for at least another 2 years before starting on a new GTA. Which will probably be even more online-oriented
Is it me or is there just not much to do compared to earlier games, GTA5 only has like half of the activities of something like RDR or GTA SA. It brought back taxi missions but they are super lame now, only mini games are darts, tennis, golf and fucking yoga. Earning money takes forever besides exploiting the crap shoot stock market, They took out stuff like the ultra cool vigilante missions from 4, and there's only like 5 street races, in a game about driving cars.
The fuck.
>Singleplayer sucked compared to IV
>Multiplayer sucks compared to IV
>It'll still be years before GTA VI and there's a 50/50 chance that will suck too
"4 was my first GTA game and I played it as a kid" starter pack
>starter pack
Hello, Chad.
IV was my second GTA game and I played it in my third year of high school when it came out, nice try. I just hate psuedo-mmo shit and want games to be complete, singleplayer packages again.
>yacht
>office
>warehouses
Nigga that's all endgame content for people who were already rich, and nobody in their right mind buys those dumbass gold flying machines.
I've played every single GTA, but I started with 3. I was 19 when IV released and IV is still my favorite in the entire series.
And I don't feel like going into why it's the best, as I've done it multiple times in threads before this.
So you just don't like your games to be fun?
Is Redux any good? Is it worth it?
>I have it on PS4.
>I don't pay for PSN anymore
>I can't play this game online for no reason other than Sony not allowing me to do it.
Fuck R* and Fuck Sony the most.
People still play this shit?
No, it's just some half-ass amalgamation of a bunch of other mods, cobbled together by a fool who doesn't understand the concept of a coherent aesthetic
That's what I suspected
Are there any worthwhile mods at all?
>PS2 era
>get GTA III, Vice City, and San Andreas. Some of the most iconic of the GTA series
>360/PS3 we get GTA IV, Lost and Damned, and Ballad of Gay Tony and Red Dead Redemption
>Now, we get GTA V and an online it took them years to attempt to flesh out and it's still not that good. That's it and we're already a ways into next gen.
To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.
inb4 that faggot shills his shitty video again
Any mod that replaces the ingame billboards and franchises with real life companies like McDonalds and K-Mart will forever be on my shit list.
>mod that replaces the ingame billboards and franchises with real life companies like McDonalds and K-Mart
Who asked for that? Billboards of in universe companies and products is great.
You mean the one that shows up after you fail a mission?
are you saying you don't want road rash?
youtube.com
That's what that Redux mod does. In addition to 'enhanced graphics and ENB' he replaces every in universe product with real life shit.
And I fucking hate it.
Should be bretty okay, hopefully it lets you make easier cash. I still play every now and again.
Lack of single-player DLC or being allowed to get Multiplayer DLC in singleplayer is fucking killing me, though.
I wanna play single-player, but singleplayer has about half the fucking vehicles, weapons, and clothing as multiplayer. Wtf is up with that?
>GTAO
Come back when there's a new map. SA's boring as fuck now.
Reminder that GTAV is the last single player GTA game we will ever see. GTAVI is going to be GTAO2.
That doesn't make them better at all. The heists are nothing more than a job someone's has to pay to do just so you can get the things you want. It doesn't help that they are far too long, and repetitive and pay out so little even on hard difficulties without any deaths. They either need to increase how much money you get across the board or lower prices to something more reasonable to make the grind bearable. As it stands now, playing feels like a chore.
Oh boy, can't wait for my mods to stop working again for a week.
Into biker stuff so so I'm sort of hyped, probably just going to get the V-rod from TLAD and maybe another daemon style bike
A cafe racer would be dope
R* will probably just focus on 300k sports bikes to fuck the racing meta as a moneysink though
GTA Online would be fucking great if it weren't for:
>Probably the worst community in any game, ever
>Those fucking unbearable load times
>300k
they will be 1m+
So glad I didnt fall for the yacht meme
I did get the cheap warehouse and office just for the replayable missions though
I liked TLAD because it felt so different from the other GTAs so I am looking forward to this. I'll probably do another Pacific Standard run or two, buy some nice outfits, then logout.
apartments, yachts which unlock the corporation aspect of the game (I think), Fast cars, car upgrades, weapons/weapon upgrades, ammo, armor, helicopters, jets, armored vheicles,the tank...
And all the clothes & cosmetics if you're into that shit, there's millions of dollars worth of shit.
GTAV in general has awful load times. Even the PC version takes forever to load.
>I do know someone at R*
lol okay
Man, GTAO characters are fucking hideous
that inbred hick in the middle does not represent us
Is there a jet pack guise?
>the average gamer is 34
>you're probably underage
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Road Rash was fun as hell.
>game is about dicking around with friends
>MAN WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO GRIND ALL DAY EVERY DAY BRO? DO YOU EVEN LEVEL?
Fuck you, GTAO is awful. Add the money mechanic to RDR 2 so online poker matches have some stake and then fuck right off with the pointless locks behind levels
>assumed at day 1 online load times would get patched or something, with server browsers or at the LEAST options to join servers with a lot of players
>years later
>years
>its still the same
What the fuck, honestly?
fuck off retard, the Houser brothers literally fired Leslie Benzies because he didn't care about singleplayer anymore. Red Dead III will come out next year and be campaign focused.
>buy gtav last year on pc
>want to play through the story before I start online to get a feel for the game
>game just stops at act 2, there's no act 3
>mildly disappointed I load up online and make my first character
>instantly realize the mistake I made thinking this was going to be fun
>gtaV online is just grinding: the game and load times are ass
>give up on it and drop the game for months because of being pissed, not quite as pissed as I was when I played PayDay 2 for the first time and got RNG cosmetic drops for DLC guns but I was pissed
>fast forward a few months
>pick the game back up and want to dick around in story mode
>as it turns out story mode is grindy as fuck too
>blow through the story mode with a guide to minimize grinding
>get curious, maybe I was too hard on gta:o the first time around
>load up gta:o, jump into some low level heists
>get shot in the head by a lvl 50 crew member because I was stealing his kills
>we fail the mission because he just had to have those kills and his car and the crew member with him blew up
>redo the mission, kill the vagos or aztecas or whoever the fuck
>shoot him in the head before we hop in the cars for the getaway
>satisfied I close gta:o and haven't touched it since
Rockstar are just shit at online infrastructure. RDR online + GTA IV online had problems with lobbies and shit too.
Does Cred Forums play GTAO?
>GTAO
What is with this shit being spammed on Cred Forums lately? Are Rockstar getting desperate for more shark card sales?
>popular game
>being talked about
holy shit
>Popular
>3rd worlders and chinks.
Fuck off with this glitchy, money whoring mess. Take it to /vg/.
> no never option
No vote for you.
How did we go to "not popular" to this?
FUCKING THIS. I guarantee anyone bitching about GTAV/O was 12-14 when GTAIV came out and it was their first GTAs. Its fucking sickening.
I'm 27 and enjoyed IV+DLC more than V
Doesn't mean V is bad, though.
How do you play GTA online properly?
Every time I try it, it seems to be you sit in a lobby for five minutes before the lobby leader disconnects or kicks everyone, then you play one part of a mission before someone dies, leaves the game and it ends for everyone.
Rockstar has had zero hype build up for this update which leads me to think it's going to be more underwhelming than usual.
don't have shit internet
With friends only.
no
fuck you, my first GTA was III and IV is my favorite of the whole series. get a grip faggot
>>as it turns out story mode is grindy as fuck too
The only way to win is to not play or cheat.