Korean War Vidya

Trump is of the stance that America should let China handle it's own business, though.

i liked radar and couldn't stand klinger

Kim il-sung shoved the face of Rhee's ROK forces as expected. Uncle Stalin's toys were far better than what Rhee initially had to work with.

I find it utterly stupid that Truman administration didn't realize just how vital Korea was initially. The Nips needed Gookland to support their military endeavors. More than a third of Nip munition came out of the northern part of that peninsula, ruled mostly as a Japanese army fiefdom and it's the largest military-industrial complex that the Nip's got.

Probably, but its also possible someone just wanted a battleship to play with. Back then Admirals do whatever the fuck they wanted, even if it was just an ego trip. See MacArthur abandoning the Philippines then giving himself the model of honor.

Trump is of the mind to abandon Asia and let China dominate the area. I'm sure that would turn out well for everyone.

thought Trump wanted to arm South Korea, Japan and China to arm themselves with nukes because fight nukes with nukes

I'm sorry, are we the world police? If China wants to secure the rebensraum its the gooks' problem, not ours.

You just made that up. Hillary is the one that wants to destroy America by starting a war with Russia because she doesn't like Putin.

>I'm sorry, are we the world police?
We get massive benefits from having South Korea and Japan as our allies. Do you really want to abandon them to a Chinese hegemony and just hope that it works out ok for us in the end?
> Hillary is the one that wants to destroy America by starting a war with Russia because she doesn't like Putin.
Now who's making shit up.

I don't get the impression that Trump would let the Chinks have the Pacific to themselves and start the Co-prosperity sphere 2.0. He would demand the allies to pay up and shore up their own defenses, but I doubt he's naive to that the Chinks aren't out to cut America off of the maritime commercial interests at the Pacific, which is way more important than the Atlantic.

once sci-fi starts falling out of fashion i bet devs will start visiting the lesser-known 20th century conflicts

>We get massive benefits from having South Korea and Japan as our allies. Do you really want to abandon them to a Chinese hegemony and just hope that it works out ok for us in the end?
The better question is why are we subsidizing both of those nation's, and the entire ANZAC's navies? Carrier groups are not cheap and they get to use the money that they would otherwise have to spend on defense for better things. We're their allies, not their feudal lords.

That's fine, but so much of those nations' budgets revolve around the assumption that the US is going to fight 90% of the war for them so fuck defense spending.

He wants Japan and pretty much every Asian ally from Japan to Australia to pull their own military weight a little more and become less dependant on the American military for defense. Stuff like japan making the JSDF bigger is what he appreciates.

The only exception at this very moment are ROK and ironically Taiwan (a non-country). ROK spends about 2.6% of GDP on defense and Taiwan is ramping up from the low point of 1%ish to 3% by 2017.

These stuff don't make for great FPS material. Maybe grand strategy gaem?

Wouldn't game devs just triple down on more capeshit?

>Taiwan (a non-country)
you mean the legitimate successor to the Qing Dynasty

really though, at least Japan is trying to pass "we can have a military now baka gaijin" legislation

Wouldn't most of the game be defending your line while a bazillion Chinese and North Koreans charge through massive artillery fire?

I guess the jet and tank battles could be good if you wanted to make the game about that.

In winter tundra like environment during the fighting around Imjin river. Incheon though is not like that at all.

>Legitimate successor to Qing Dynasty
Beiyang clique in the north and the Sun 'Republic of China' along with a bunch of junta was what resulted from the 1911 Xinhai revolution. Chiang Kai-shek's northern expedition did succeed to bring the north to his fold, but effective rule was no more than about 12 provinces at best even during the apex of the ROC.

It doesn't change the fact that Taiwan is no country and that US is in effect allowing the ROC government in exile to be hosted on soil that US still has real jurisdiction over by international legal convention.

desu during the Korean war China acted in self defense to prevent hostile powers to set up bases at their border.

Also top kek at murrica getting BTFO by a bunch of chinese farmers with 19th century guns

And the Chinks did it for free with Stalin's moist nuggets.

this is the only Korean War game I know of

It's actually pretty good and was relatively popular when it came out, I remember seeing it a ton in PC gaming mags when it came out in 1999

The KMT government of the RoC was complete garbage after Sun Yat-sen left power (you still have statues of him everywhere in the PRC) and is responsible for the rise of Mao, the KMT's policies were so catastrophic that it killed 90% of tea production on KMT territory for example, then in Fromosa after the war, Chiang Kai-shek conducted the exact same cultural revolution policy as Mao did but because he was NATO aligned everyone shut their trap about it.

That's what I thought of. It's ancient by now. I find the idea of going to War Thunder to fly Saber a bit off putting.

Stalin didn't support Mao until well after China entered the war and started wrecking shit.

Not exactly in the sense that Chiang was more about putting boots back to PRC, so he did purges and all that good stuff that you'd expect of a fascist dictator ought to do, but never did he enable red guards that got way out of hand as it did in China.

but he enabled the KMT army to kill off everyone who opened their mouth against the new government.

there is a reason Taiwan native population want the KMT and the Han to fuck off.

China didn't even have the means to really crank out rifles though. Chiang did have clone mausers and he took'em along with Garands to Formosa. Mao's men had to wait till uncle Joseph hand them the surplus moist nuggets and spare T-34s.
For that matter, AK-47 was top secret and the Chinks didn't get it until Khrushchev came to power.

80 percent of the tech is WW2. Korea loves the fuck out of video games.

The only reason why I don't think a good entry has been made is because of China. And maybe because there isn't enough famous korean war films to jack their visuals from.

Well yeah. Chiang fucked over Formosa horribly. Formosa during WW2 was responsible for a significant amount of coal in the empire, and Formosa was profitable to the Nips by 1920s. Chiang kind of fucked Formosa up majorly and living standards plummeted to third world level.

is Operation Chromite ft. Liam Neeson as Mac any good?

Who in their right mind thought it was an aesthetically pleasing idea to make a helicopter look like a fucking banana?

>Korea loves the fuck out of video games
people love the fuck out of f2p mmo shit, including counterstrike clones, government absolutely despises the shit out of games

I am not sure if the Gooks will embrace any gaem about that war which they rather forgetaboutit.

Well the PRC had massive supplying issues during the Korean war, because they didn't have infrastructure and had no way to move a massive amount of supplies, including food, to the front leading to the large casualties, a lot of hunger, the PLA suffered, and also explaining why they didn't manage to establish a defensive front when they took over the entirety of the Korean peninsula allowing the americans and allies to push back to the current border of NK/SK.

Who indeed...

Isn't the Korean war technically still going on, since they only agreed on a ceasefire?

yes it is, they signed an armistice but never formalized peace, hence why there is still a DMZ between the two Korea and both countries still have contingencies for each others.

In a sense. The world moved on though, and we can't call any hot war that may break out there as the same Korean war.

>Operation Chromite ft. Liam Neeson

On my radar. Haven't seen it. I'm saving it for a visit to some Korean War vets.

A game based on that movie would be like, what was that one game series? Commandos Behind enemy lines I think it was?

Some sort of Korean War COD clone seems like a no brainer.

Yes.

>which they rather forgetaboutit
nobody forgot the war, or wishes to forget the war since Kimmy up north exist

I don't see why we couldn't have a Korean war COD. I mean COD did take that cynical view of things with BO, so why shouldn't it work for Korea?

because Korea was an American aggression

You ever seen how the worst Koreans deal with defector from Best Korea? They don't really go out their way to be inclusive to those people and they would rather alienate Kimmy's victims while tuning in to Kpop and using exploding Samsung phones.

and the Korean Migs were not flown by soviet pilots

Well they have to go through a pretty intensive screening but most north koreans have family members in SK

>Vietnam
>'French' aggression
I can twist that around and say that
>Korea
>'Japanese' aggression

Ironically Indochina was American aggression as well, Ho Chi Minh was on the verge of death and at the mercy of a French Commando but the American saved him and the Viet Minhs were supported by both the USSR and the CIA against France.

Got rice bitch? Got rice?

I find it funny how that the Chinese certainly doesn't see their actions as aggression when they've been at the game for centuries.

Yes you dumb fuck, let China get more territorial power, gaining massive resources and high modern technology infrastructure from Japan and Korea. That worked fucking awesome when we let the Soviets half of Europe. No long term fallout from that.

Typical Trump supporter dipshit can't see past his own nose, let alone realize obvious future consequences.

Well technically it was a new chinko state government.

I'm French and a Sinaboo, I had to swim through a lot of biased facts to solve my moral dilemma, thankfully my grandfather was SDECE until the 70's, he was the one who reported to the French government when China proceeded to its first nuclear test, so he shone light on a lot of forgotten and/or unknown facts regarding what happened in eastern Asia between 1946 and 1960.

>Is there simply no way to make that war entertaining for normies Cred Forums ?

The big games are made by normies who don't even know what the Korean War was.

>He would demand the allies to pay up and shore up their own defenses

I love this Trumpet staple argument.

>Muh NATO, USA pays too much to protect everyone

The irony being that the USA protects no one 99% of the time, due to no grand wars happening right, but when you look at the entire existence of NATO, only 1 country has ever drawn everyone into a war, and that's the US.

So yeah, lets turn that around and thank the US for making us have to go to war to protect them.

The premise I want for a game is basing it around Operation Unthinkable. The U.S. and Britain rearming the Germans in 1945 so they can all go to war against the Soviets, just like Patton wanted.

>high modern technology infrastructure from Japan and Korea.
Calm your tits, China is now slowly losing the economic steam they built-up. Though they still got their eyes on africa and their ASEAN neighbors are now willing to open negotiations for mutual economic support.

TOO BAD BACK THEN AMERICA WAS TOO BUSY FUCKING OVER ITS ALLIES FOR SMALL PROFITS RATHER THAN THINKING LONG TERM

The French has an unusual perspective on the PRC given how close the Communist chink intelligentsia and elites were to the French socialists.

I was thinking of way longer than that. The Chinks from 1400s onward had been tugging the strings of Korean peninsula, and the regime change in 1600s to Manchus didn't affect it the slightest. It wasn't until the late 1800s before a change of hand was called out.
Vietnam's got even more beef that that.

None of these have been ever made into Cred Forumsidya gaem though. It's grand strategy material.

Chinese growth is lowering because they are moving towards a more service oriented growth with an internal focused internal market rather than being the workshop of the world.

Their growth is still higher than any European country during the industrial revolution and they are not still fully over their own.

After living in Korea I would just want a game that lets me kill all gooks.

less than 7% now, and they are riding on an unprecedented 3 trillion dollars worth of toxic asset debt in their financial system.

Again, too bad that nobody's made this stuff into video game.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the way China works towards its neighboring countries.

China from the Ming dynasty, and notably to fix the damage the Yuan dynasty had done, focused on a tribute based politics regarding surrounding states.

Korea since the Ming had been a tributary state to China but not a vassal, as were the Ryukyu kingdoms.

They were not straight up vassals, but they were tributary to the Chinese Empire.

By the way if you look at a map comparing the Qing dynasty China + tributaries you'd see that China as a nation and not a political regime lost close to 30% of its territory including Taiwan and the southern Japanese islands.

the British growth rate during the industrial revolution was 2%

>'nation'
China never was a westphalian 'nation-state'. China had always see itself as an empire, even today.
I thoroughly disagree with you about the influence that Qing and Ming have had over Joseon.

1. The foundation of Joseon has inexplicably tied to Zhu Yuanzhang's misgiving to the house of Yi and their action in Liaodong peninsula (Yi Seong-gye, Taejo) and we only see real diplomatic recognition of Yi rule by Sejong when China was in the hands of the Yongle emperor, who came to power by a coup. Guess what? Yongle emperor and Sejong met each other during the reign of Zhu Yuanzhang and they got along well.

2. Joseon by Qing era was so cut off that its knowledge of the west was poorer than the Tokugawa shogunate, and their info of the west was hand-me-down from the Qing manchu, who during 1600s subjugated the Joseon so they break diplomatic recognition of Ming to the Jurchen Qing. It was mere relationship of tributary state, but very much a case of holding Joseon by the throat, although not a vassal rule as with Ryukyu.

>China never was a westphalian 'nation-state'. China had always see itself as an empire, even today.

yes but no, I am using western semantics for clarity's sake, and I can tell you today China itself is a nation state, if you go into any classroom you will see the following words

Love the Party (Chinese socialist Party)
Love thy Nation
Love thy country
Love China

I have a cd somewhere with a game called Korea Forgotten Conflict, it was like an even harder Commandos kind of game if I remember correctly

Oh? PRC is very much owned by the party, and it is no exaggeration that the CPC asserts that the country exists insofar as the party allows it to exist; the party is where the sovereignty is rested, and it is the party that has the mandate.

By the way, the CPC doesn't like to explicitly distinguish between People's Republic of Chinese to 'Chinese' by and large at all. They claim a greater China hegemony with CPC being the heart of Sinica Majora.

yes but the PRC created the nation state of China as opposed to the Empire of the dynasties, the feudal post Qing Era and the KMT era.

The PRC took over all the territory it could and made it into a nation-state, there is no question today that China is a nation.

They have a semi-federal system but they are nonetheless a nation-state

they claim the Qing borders at their largest extent, which is logical.

have capeshit games been successful outside of batman?

I disagree because of . Unlike Westphalian derived nation state such as United States of America which makes a fine demarcation with the British (American identity vs Anglo-saxon blood heritage), the Chinese not only assumed the cultural identity, but they are steadfast in refusing to label themselves and identify fellow Chinamen as "PRChink". Instead, they claim themselves to be the "New China".

They never did come to make a "PRChinese" distinct national identity, and instead vie for that "Volksdeutsche" narrative.

Surgeon Simulator: Korean War Edition when?

So far, only batman's really got decent games. I've known of no successful superman game. Spiderman's not done that great, and deadpool game is kind of a mediocre meh.

I'd like that, complete with Radar.

What did you mean by that ?

The mainland chinese call themselves 中国人 which means people from the middle kingdom or Chinese people.

You will never meet a Taiwan person who will call himself Chinese or 中国人.

China PRC does not use the label 中華人民共和國人 (People's republic of Chinese) when referring to themselves, but rather using 中国人 (Chinese) interchangeably with 華人 (ethnic chinese)

This is in stark distinction to Westphalian nation states, where it is vital for a people to identify and forge a distinct national identity and not strictly through genetics. 台灣人 (Taiwanese) for one is such a geopolitical based distinction that is made to be separate from 華人 (ethnic Chinese)

So do you see why I would mention American vs British in relation to Anglo-saxon?

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My wife is Chinese from the PRC and call herself Hui, I've met a shitton of people who call themselves Hui or Miao, etc... and the PRC has self administrated counties for minorities.

They have the same kind of government as Bismarck's Prussia, an unification of Germanic people under a federal state that recognizes all ethnicities.

With very, very strong central federal power that doesn't allow for regional/local self appointment of officials. The Chinese had adopted this at about the same time as the reign of Justinian, since the ethnic clumps would form regional cliche which erode away at the power nexus, a constant play in China from 200BCE-500AD.

I fucking hate capeshit but man what I wouldn't do for a good Judge Dredd game in the style of Max Payne.

>mfw no TW based on the Chink dynasties ever

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_China

Taiwan a shit

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Each province, SAR, municipality, and special administrative region, county, and township have their own local party congress, and they all vote for a commission, with all of these congress convening once every 5 years, but each congress must only convene at the behest of the superior level of administration.

Each provincial, SAR and directly governed city are directly administrated by the Federal government, and the party's poliburo (commission) can appoint and dismiss any official below the federal level at any time.

T. 16th National Congress of the Communist Party of China