Mgs:V

He's already broken, his mind distorted, being used by a man once used himself in the same manner.

It could have been executed better but I'm sure we'd see him off the deep end if they did an MG remake right. They both are.

Now imagine that if the game had the tone that these 15 minutes did in its 50-100 empty hours to completion. That would be pretty good

I didn't because it felt cheap and rushed. They should have built out the entire platform and had more world building seeing the rescue team operate, your men crawling out for help, the lab where the leak actually happened. Miller and the command staff peering through gun cameras as they shut the power off for black out.
You're in and out way too quick.

>mfw I realized that the scene at the end where Venom smashes the mirror is happening at the end of the original Metal Gear for the MSX when Snake is coming to kill him

>This is Big Boss... Solid Snake! Abort the mission. Return immediately. This is an order!! Turn off the power on your PS3 at once!! ...Over.
Zero's hypnosis fucked Venom up.

I'm so glad you retards didn't get the clichéd RotS knock-off you wanted.

>want to play this again
>remember all the mist sections

was it really boss' fault? it's hinted at the outbreaks are caused by Venom when you rescue the researchers, and buying second rate medical equipment

I wonder if the artist responsible for him feels disappointment every time they look at this.
All they had to do was make another texture for wet, greasy hair.

Probably as simple as a palette swap.

Honestly I found this way better. It showed he still had his loyalty to his fellow soldiers and likewise his fellow soldiers still had loyalty to him. They didn't even think about attacking their boss even though it was clear he was there to end them. I find that way more compelling than revenge porn.

Is this the most unappreciated game of all time?

>People say they wanted Snake to murder the african kids
>Replay Metal Gear 2
>Schneider straight up says the kids of Outer Heaven were war orphans and refugees rescued by Big Boss
Baffles the mind.

At least the blood doesn't look like ketchup or red paint.

Instead we got the far more cliched "good guy can do no wrong" hero who literally made zero morally ambiguous decisions and was even fucking too soft (just letting Huey go).

People bought into the demon shit way too hard and expected it to be about Big Boss strangling orphans with their own organs. Even though the point of Big Boss was that he was that he had good intentions even at his worst point.

You spend the game taking on hit contracts to kill and kidnap people, to fund your little terrorist organization to strike back at Zero (hiding behind the American government).

But okay

Regardless of the results the large studios permit him to have (which are, astonishingly, usually amazing) Hideo Kojims is attempting by far more depth, difference, and complexity than almost anyone working in gaming today.

>Enter quarantined area
>See Lady bleeding out on thw stairs
>"B-boss.....it hurts... kill me"
>Stop for a moment
>Shed a tear
>Pull out pistol and shoot her in the head
>MISSION FAILED
>"BOSS WHAT ARE YOU DOING, YOU CANT DO THAT CMON"

Kojima doesn't give a shitting piss about profitability--he is an artist

>just letting Huey go
>JUST letting Huey go
He fucking took the one thing Huey valued more than himself: his legs, and forced him to make a choice. Die with them or toss them overboard and go back to being a filthy cripple with no allies in the world. The only people who make it out of V alive and well hate Huey and he knows it.

>this entire scene
>venom's demon horn and the inability to wash off the blood from your skin after killing enough people
There were some true kino moments in this game even though the main story is pretty fucked

You stupid stupid shit oh my god you are so dumb you don't get anything you look at just shut up retard

Yeah, because we all know putting children through the experience of war is so psychologically therapeutic for orphans. I mean, just look at the Congo.

What medicBB put those children through was worse than killing them, but the game totally downplays the idea and makes it all adult men who aren't psychotic but don't suffer the stresses of war.

MGSV was shit beyond shit in the narrative department.

>can’t kill kids shooting at you
>can’t recruit them
>all of your soldiers are infertile because reasons
It was all a bit silly.

What mission is this?? It was my game of the year but I don't recall this

It's played like that because you're seeing things from their perspective. You can see they're making false promises under the pretense of some lofty ideals they won't follow through on.
They're hypocrites, and they explicitly tell you that in the game's theme.

The fact he doesn't bail on Big Boss and follows through with helping out with Outer Heaven suggests Venom is either deeply delusional about Big Boss's intentions or is so far gone he just doesn't give a shit, so I'd say he ends up off the deep end regardless. A remake isn't really necessary.

Try playing the game faggot, of course the child soldiers are visibly affected (not obvious to autists)

It's war, there is nothing ambiguous about soldiers dying in a war. The people you actually are told to kill are bad dudes who deserve a bullet.

You never see Venom "go bad" as is implied by every trailer and his "horn and tail".

That's part of the problem. For the tale trying to show why BB goes nuclear and more nihilistic it chicken-shitted out. If anyone should have been ok with showing what actual child-soldiering is like it should have been the Japs. Instead they pussied out, and BB goes less nuclear than he does lukewarm.

EPISODE 43: SHINING LIGHTS, EVEN IN DEATH

Try playing the game again. They were not affected in the way of, "War leader who feeds them gunpowder in their food and beats them when they don't perform," like MGS2 made it clear was BB's MO.

Legs which he could recreate in some other secret lab environment if he wanted.

nice argument

I'd say the game depicts Big Boss's change in disposition pretty clearly despite how limited his presence in the game is.

I agree the game pussyfoots around the child soldier thing a bit even if it's still apparent the game isn't celebrating it.

Big Boss isn't a child murdering psychotic. You don't HAVE to be a fucking psychotic to want revenge. Jesus christ, user.

Some of them are bad dudes and traitors, but then some are just soldiers doing the jobs they signed up for and mercs living out their days, all happen to have a price on their heads.

But you're right, they're all soldiers in war.
The important thing is supposed to be that Big Medic and Miller are taking on these jobs for the money, for more hardware and to expand their operations, when these people have no other relevance to them.

I'm not denying the execution was even good necessarily. The stupid parasite shit muddied the narrative out of convenience.

No. He really couldn't. Huey betrayed everyone and no one wanted him. He had no way to get that sort of technology again. He spends the rest of his life getting cucked and then having one last pool party. No cool legs, no cool robots, no debates about the nature of dog and wolves.

They're lives like any other, and that is the mindset that BB should have been in if we are to take the "Big Boss goes evil" narrative seriously. Instead, you fail the game if you even kill one child soldier.

In some ways it's a rehash of Peace Walker, in Peace Walker 2.0 literally.

It was never about "Big Boss goes evil" it's how Big Boss went from who he used to be to the Big Boss we know. He goes from doing contracts on people who threaten the nation to doing contracts for money so he can carry out his vendetta. Big Boss was NEVER established to be a psychotic person. He was a man who valued loyalty and he was a man who valued soldiers. The problem was that he was also an extremist. He wasn't a psycho who killed children. If you thought that was what the game was about you clearly never touched any other Metal Gear game.

I awkwardly shoot their hands when I try to aim for their heads.

How does venom have knowledge of the following?

-Huey has literally zero friends and has no chance at working for some government/pmc R&D to create new legs
-Huey will not tell venom's enemies secrets of the new mother base as an act of revenge
-Huey will not sabotage it himself
-Huey will one day get cucked
-Huey will kill himself

Without knowing the above beforehand, there are many reasons it was retarded to let him go.

>all of your soldiers are infertile because reasons
What? Or are you talking about the survivors of the infection?

Two missed opportunities was more emphasis on the Viscount pulling a fast one in bringing you in to rescue him with the hope of having his buddies die in the raid--he sold them out. You either rescue him alone and you're none the wiser or his buddies rat him out, he's brigged on a longer timer and then it's lol k like no one gives a shit.

Then the raid on DD by former MSF "Mosquito", further background on his story and how he believed Big Boss was the one that sunk MSF.

They didn't bother to explore the relationship and happenings between DD soldiers and it's just left in the background.

Okay, so then the horn, tail and permanent blood/demon points are just for shits and giggles? They become meaningless if he wasn't intended to go bad.

Plus the clear imagery of all the damn trailers released for the game.

Treatment for Wobacia caused sterilization.

>"Kaz, I'm already a demon..."

Goes on to:

>Rescue animals from a battlefield
>Take child soldiers away from conflict and keep them safe
>Deactivate nuclear ordinance and an end of the world class virus
>Stop the bad guy without killing him
>Work with several non-profit organizations to help bring stability to the region

Aaaand where was the child soldiers in his development? Vic didn't go there. Seems like that's an important missing chapter in this story.

Yes

The real ending. You refuse to do the wrong thing and the game never ends. You don't know what the rest of the game is like. The characters never die.

I shot into the air in Spec Ops, that scared them off. Spent 30min or so sniping instead of using the white phos.

Refused to wash off my sins in BioShock Infinate. Gave the game away to someone else.

Treason for reward as the only option still leaves you with 2 options.

Shouldn't betray what raised you to a point. Should be a saviour, being what even an enemy needs. The real enemy is you and your inadequacy, you need to be enough without mistakes and the mistakes you make need to be forgettable against new and better memories.

Need to innovate rather than apply learned actions.
Someone well educated is just a total traitor. Having sold what raised them and having given up on a world matching their imagination. Stating their life isn't a story, then that stories are false.

It's a heavy weight to do the right thing instead of go along. To do your thing. Not a weight to carry, that's lightening, but a weight against you.

Do the right thing and the world helps. Don't give up and there's a way.

Maybe games could report where players stopped playing or couldn't progress, and devs can add small but sufficient help.

Even putting out games that are incomplete but perfect up until where they stop. Maybe players paying for the right to continue it in their absence or paying to join a team. Providing for others or eachother.

Mods less frivolous. Eventually with a range of ways to progress, other forms of progression just being temptation. Sticking to your story the real way to advance.

We're Diamond Dogs

Second best scene in this poor and upsetting game
Quiet Exit is the best part of the game

>Who are the Children of Zanzibar?

>Easy money
>Take soldiers away to educate them and give them purpose, things change and they end up teaching them how to fight and fend for themselves, unintentionally employing them probably
>Rival PFs develop nukes of their own so they decide to raid those PFs and then as Outer Heaven proper, raid major storage sites and installations in countries all over the world (literally waging war) to seize and supposedly disarm their stolen nukes
>stop the bad guy, shoot his limbs off and leave him to bleed a slow death, forcing him to kill himself.
>Take on contracts from non-profits for the money. They're hired by these firms to rescue their workers in the field but along the way DD sort of decides to keep 'em.

All about perspective which was another intended theme. Execution lacking.

i wanted moby dick you fucking faggot. then I bought the game and realized kojima couldn’t even be bothered to read the wikipedia article.

This. Metal Gear 2 even clearly shows that the kids look up to and revere Big Boss as a father, even if it's more like Stockholm syndrome than actual love.
Big Boss was never some psychopathic mass genocide committing character like Darth Vader.
>Deactivate nuclear ordinance and an end of the world class virus
If the world ends you have no more war to fuel your profits, or any soldiers to join Outer Heaven. They got rid of nukes so TX-55 would be sufficient deterrence from other countries.
>Stop the bad guy without killing him
Shot all of his limbs off and left him to bleed out while being crushed by tons of metal.

This shit was annoying.
>Scan them to make sure they're infected or not
>Oh these guys are fine
>Oh sorry, they're not. Kill them all.

Not present as personnel in MGSV. They wanted to send them to orphanages and schools to 'make up' for shitty the shitty life Miller had.

Moby Dick was what they had originally by the sound of things, then they decided to pull the switcharoo bullshit and modify Huey's role in the story.

What did you expect from the same retards who wanted Venom Snake to be Gray Fox? They pretend to be fans of the series, but don't know shit about the lore.

That seems intentional. Venom is actually a good guy at heart, unlike Big Boss. Venom is the man responsible for the legend. The tension in the game was supposed to be (if it was ever finished) about the battle between good and evil in Venom's soul, a man who vainly struggles against becoming evil. He was supposed to become the evil Big Boss, and the twist ending was that he actually succeeding in staying good. Which serves as a gut punch when you realize that the real Big Boss took this good, noble leader of men, and sacrificed him like a pawn.

Neat... ummm how is he noble?

That's Miller. Guess what, Venom wanted to do the same thing to those kids he did for the Kids of Zanzibar. And what he did to them was not come up behind them and knife them in the throat.

>the big whale on fire at the end of the beginning
Why even put it in the game
why

Koji knew the project would get sabotaged and he wanted a teaser for Death Stranding. 4D chess baby

Story was great, only dumb dumbs don't like it.

Venom is shown to be noble multiple times throughout the game. You should replay it.
There are a lot of bad characters in MGS but Venom is not one of them

>mfw there are people who honestly believe that chapter 3 is still coming

>Takes in Quiet (a woman who tried to kill him) unless you intentionally pull the trigger for some reason
>Will take a knife to stop a fight and give a speech on brotherhood and relying on each other if you get low EMS
>Won't kill kids even as they try to kill him because he's a soldier not a serial killer
>Shares BB's goal (not that he's aware of it being a shared goal and all) of wanting to create a heaven for people like him who suffered a great deal over the series
>Takes the loss of his men to the parasites personally and shows obvious grief at having lost them

...

The story is by no means great in any stretch of the imagination but it's not as bad as everyone says
It is a heavily flawed game but there are moments of genius in it

Oh and lets not forget the most obvious one that started the whole game. He threw himself in front of a man he believed had more value to him and saved his life on instinct.

Didn't they remove the Chapter 3 card in an update?

>Venom hyped to be a stone cold murderer and nuclear as hell
>is the best boss you could ever imagine, who mourns his comrades and protects them when he can

Thank you, Venom, for being you.

IMAGINE that there are people who don't like Venom

Because Miller was running the Op and calls it off when you kill one of the children with an assault rifle shooting at you.

>Takes in Quiet (a woman who tried to kill him) unless you intentionally pull the trigger for some reason
Which differs from his other human resource acquisitions that she's a supersoldier. I recall nothing suggesting he recognized her from the hospital. Even so just about every recruit except the dedicated scientists will attempt to kill him if they have the chance.

>Won't kill kids even as they try to kill him because he's a soldier not a serial killer
>Shares BB's goal (not that he's aware of it being a shared goal and all) of wanting to create a heaven for people like him who suffered a great deal over the series
None of this is your/BB's decision. Faking out killing the miners was an unspoken plan Miller prompted for him, and again Miller calls the Ops off when you kill a child soldier.

>Takes the loss of his men to the parasites personally and shows obvious grief at having lost them
Really? Why does he act against their interest by letting the man that caused it, with a radio, go? But even setting the 'ironically letting him go free' angle where and how do you get a personal connection? BB doesn't say a single word to anyone infected he kills. He eulogizes about literally turning them into negotiable goods, and we're left to assume Miller's awe is informing us of BB's amazing leadership and care for his men

Actually the first part of the scene is him at DD Motherbase listening to the tape BB gave him, the camera pans and when it returns to the mirror Venom is covered in blood and his horn is huge, after then smashing the mirror do you see the reflection in the mirror is now Outer Heaven.

This shot was so amazing in the launch trailer. Damn shame we never got that version
youtube.com/watch?v=A9JV0EvCkMI&t=8s
The scene starts at 2:17

>naked treats him like a disposable pawn

Raiden IS the dick

>tfw venom snake died betrayed by his idol, with a smile on his face
He should have gone nuclear.

youre literally a cult leader committing mass murder

>tfw the men he bled and cried for will just be more pawns for naked snake and most likely face the same fate
>tfw they sense that their leader has somehow changed, but die by his command anyway

MGSV really is about Big Boss turning into a demon; Kojima didn't lie. It's just not about the Big Boss you're playing as turning into one.

absolute madman

dude
moby dick
lmao

accidentally transition into humming oblivion theme
>die by your orders boss."

Elaborate

>they ruined everything and never made the game they said they would
>Ground Zeroes and the trailers are genuinely the best 5 ever got
>ruins all the potential for every character besides likely Paz, who exploded
I will never stop complaining about how much of a disappointment this was. It is hands down the disappointment of this generation.

>They got rid of nukes so TX-55 would be sufficient deterrence from other countries.
I mean that bit was retconned out in Solid.

Naked did nothing wrong

>nu-Cred Forums desperately trying to say MGSV wasn't a disappointment now

He means Big Boss was just a conniving trickster all along.

Big Boss, who always talks about creating a world where soldiers can fight for themselves rather than for plots beyond their knowledge, uses a brainwashed guy as a pawn in a massive plot without that man's knowledge. He betrays everything he claims to stand for because using a (flawed) p-zombie is more convenient. Then, when it becomes convent, he sacrifices the guy without a second thought and never thinks about him again.

The intel unit, but really he doesn't care, he views Shining Lights as his own failure and he has an enormous guilt complex, whatever consequences he suffers from letting Huey go are how he atones for it.

>the big twist is literally you not getting the game that was advertised to you

Literally no one is saying that you fucking dolt
It's just OP's pic is widely considered the best part in the game

Is the digital version of MGS4 okay?
The only downside i see is that it's gonna take a fucking while to download
Does it have any issues?

>with a smile on his face
He smashes Demon Snake's image, the end of MGSV is a rejection of Big Boss' will, Venom realises he's been conned and resents him for it.

He smirks at the end. Venom will continue the legacy that he was given and expanded himself, and he likes it.

Where is anybody saying that?

He smirks before the scene transition, when we get to outer heaven he's not happy at all.

What was his name again?

Because some punk kid spilt his chocolate milk

Big Boss was a cunt.

Man, I wish they had translated the MGSV novel.
The plot itself is actually kino, but it obviously failed at its execution.

>I recall nothing suggesting he recognized her from the hospital.
The Truth mission, which is a flashback for Venom, plays Quiets theme when she shows up and gets burnt and goes all slo mo.

he’s thinks he’s a “demon” because part of him knows hat he was created to just be a ploy for big boss and cipher
venom thinks he’s big boss, but there’s a little piece of the original him in his psyche that tries to tell him he’s not big boss, and that he’s his own person, but the big boss of him dismisses this as a demon inside of him

>rescued
He explicitly trains them up to be soldiers in the next war, he wasn't doing it to be a good boy

Tell me the story of this pic.

Find all the wandering motherbase soldiers and you too can become enlightened.

he's having a dissociative episode due to his subconscious guilt over failing to notice the second bomb

No, the mirror smashing shows that he's fully rejecting his past persona to fully become Big Boss. He's not the medic with Big Boss' face and memory, he's just Big Boss.
He's also rejecting the demon aspect because he doesn't see himself as evil or flawed anymore. He's getting rid of his self doubts.
It's a reversal of MGS2's ending.

I wouldn't put much passed Konami Kanon but the idea that Vic remembers his memories after abducting Quiet after Quiet leaves being that which motivates him to abduct Quiet in the first place is a bit far for me. Seems like a sledge for the player that missed the flower clue.

What happens if you miss all of your shots in this mission?

Do you have to knife everybody to death?

...

>woke up from his nap with some surgery just to die for real this time

Kazuhira "A non-white race will not set foot on this base" Miller

Considering she looks like the guy who was right up in his face as she tried to kill him (and they use the same codename) it'd be kind of goofy for him not to realise it.

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