16gb for gaming or 8gb is still enough?

8 is enough my gpu has 8 gig of vram on it so why would I need anymore

>being this proud of being lazy

nowadays, 16, like you're preparing for the future kind.
I've seen games where the minimum is 16 now, and it's ridiculous, but definitely happening

...

Games that are well optimized don't make use of the extra 8. But the games that don't manage their memory well are beginning to outnumber the ones that do, so go with 16 for safe future builds.

trash

All poor people will tell you 8gb is enough, but there isn't really a reason not to get at least 16gb unless you are on a budged.

aren't ram prices still stupid high?

If you want to play modern games then definitely go with 16 gigs as there are quite a few games coming out with 12-16 gig memory requirements.

what about 12

>ARK
Here's your fault

>be win 7
>firefox open with about ~45 tabs, 30 of them unloaded
>discord
>skype
>foobar
>background shit like RTSS, CCC, VPN
>a game
>only rarely scrape 7 GB depending on how shitty the game is
>can freely open stuff up like paint or cheat engine whenever I need to

Only get more than 8 if you're some triple monitor fag who likes to edit videos, play games, and run 100 instances of cookie clicker at the same time.

12 GB minimum

>using discord and calling other people fags

Why have less when you can have more?

16GiB was the minimum in 2016
Its time to move to 32 GiB.

Calculate it like this 8GiB is for the OS+ stuff.
the rest if for the game.

32GiB so god.

Don't be like me and don't fall for the 8gb meme if you actually play recent vidya and use your pc to multitask.

>Muh you don't web brows and play music at the same time
>You need to be shot if you do this
How about no?
Go away you retard I use my tabs to be productive.
You can go back and only use one tab and window for web browsing and turn off the web browser if you want to play some music.

Its here.
Its great.
And its comfortable.

Get more RAM.

>I use my tabs to be productive
yeah right
>not web browsing dozens of tabs at once AND listening to music at the same time

>it's ridiculous, but definitely happening
>its ridicules games require more then 1MiB or RAM
Then go play retro games.
The rest of us want to use more ram to get better visuals+bonuses(fully destructive environment, no loading screens).

You want to be schooled kid or you admit you have no fucken idea what you are talking about?

I have 16GB, the most I ever used was 11 with CEMU, which is notorious for it's retarded RAM requirements.
I've seen games use just as much VRAM as RAM, it's ridiculous.
8GB is fine, no game needs more than that to run.
16GB if you like to do a bazillion things at once.

I have no idea what I'm talking about and loving it.

8 if you're on a really tight budget otherwise go for 16. 8GB is starting to show its limits in newer games.

16 because windows + any web brosers will take too much by default and you will be way too close to filling the space after a few hours

>8GB is fine, no game needs more than that to run.
Sure, if you're only running the game and nothing else

You want me to explain how to use 16 GiB for productivity or multiple tabs for productivity?

Ram is cheap so you might as well go with 16gb for a little bit extra

>100 tabs
>keeping memory loaded for content that will still be reloaded upon switching the tab to begin with.
You are the most pathetic waste of life.

16 gig if you're streamer scum, most new games rely more on graphics card ram than system ram.

...

RAM is fucking cheap there is no reason not to have 16

>Ram is cheap
not right now, it isn't.

8GB are enough for games, but may not be enough for web browsers :)
Better buy 16

This. Anyone saying otherwise is a delusional poorfag.

>using the most convenient communication program
>lul what a fag, he lieks smthin popular

8 is enough, unless you're hardcore multitasker. 16 is a safer bet.

I would say 16GB, so games like Escape from Tarkov dont make you want to kys

>web browsers use more RAM than vidya now
what went wrong?

Play something from this decade

Monopoly of indians in IT

This is true.

What's the difference between all these DDR stuff? Isn't the memory itself enough?

8gb if you're ok with closing everything else before playing, 16gb if you don't settle with mediocrity.

Efficiency in architecture

In chrome every tab runs its own process, which is less effective when it comes to memory usage. The upside is that the browser will be more stable, if one tab crashes the whole browser won't crash.
Plus there's a lot more content and ads per site.

web browsers are now built to do a whole lot more than just browse the web

it's faster
doesn't really matter much though, RAM is already much faster than other bottlenecks like the HDD

>when it takes four fucking posts to get to the best post

tech generation, DDR4 has faster cycles and stuff.
mostly doesn't effect performance for now, but DDR4 is the new standard

12Gigs at the very minimum.
At least for nowadays' standards.

Guys wake up it's 2018

you need 16 in 2018 if you want to also enjoy in development games as well

don't buy it if you don't like it

Where would they store all the ads and datamined data?

like data mining the user?

>16 is not expensive

where have you been lately?

8gb is fine if you open only the game and nothing else.

Original sin 2 while opening a chrome tab made my pc slow

Wow how do they justify charging so much more for RAM now

>web browsers use more RAM than vidya now
This was always true.
Games are engineered to run on the computers of their time this is why no DOS game will use more then 1GiB EVER!

You want to see the future?
Open GIMP/Photoshop and try to create a 32000x32000 picture.
~10GiB

Its great to have the freedom for some tasks.
To be serious this need for RAM can only be satisfied if we finally get 1TiB RAM.
youtube.com/watch?v=_0ZtFrh_q_g

Smartphones use the same type of memory.

sooner you become the part of 16GB Steam stats meme, the sooner we get 16GB as a minimum requirement (and even less optimised RAM management in all upcoming titles than ever before)

>tfw 16gb and SSD
>everything is snappy and never has to reload when alt-tabbing or anything
8gbfags will never know this feel

I'm on 4 GB and everything runs fine so far.

>got 16gb back when DDR3 was cheap as dirt
>got so used to being spoiled for ram
>a million chrome tabs open
>living the dream

>mfw looking at DDR4 prices
I can't go back.

Yes go to Cred Forums rants about it every day.
I'm so happy i got my 32GiB ram when it was cheap.
Now I can sit on it.
Feels good man.

>using extra 8GB as a file buffer
smarter person would've invested those 40-80 bucks into something more useful (like, extra space on their SSD)

And what about vram?
Because I found cheap 1060 with 3gb, is it too low?

16 gig of ddr4 i expensive but better for any modern cpu

make sure it two 8 gigs too

>mfw I knew I should have just gotten an insane amount of ram I'd never use but decided I was good enough for now and I see the current prices
Enjoy that feel user you are smarter than I.

1060 3GB is shite for 2 reasons:
It has worse specs than 6GB
3GB VRAM is fucking nothing

I'm not stupid enough to rely on an SSD for storage, it's for the system and critical programs only. I have several HDDs for storage.

depends on the games/res you're planning to play on.

>Get 16 because it's not expensive
That hasn't been true for like 2 years now.

you were stupid enough to buy 8GB without any application installed on your PC actually using those, so why stop there?

Buy 16gb. 8gb is very close to not being enough in some games.

>SSD
Point at him and laugh.
RAM is astronomically more faster then a SSD, shit boy use it for a RAM disc.
>And what about vram?
Educate yourself.
youtube.com/watch?v=pbgvzVgfoSc

8 is fine if you don't multitask, I have 20 in current setup and I rarely actually need more than 12. But I tend to play older games.

warhammer total war 1/2
divinity original sin 2
pillars of eternity 2
1080p is ok for me

I'm not stupid or pleb enough to think 8gb is enough, I actually had 8gb before but I had to upgrade since UE4 and video editing programs were unusable with 8gb.
The snappiness was just a very nice bonus, it's the kind of thing you don't realize you wanted until you have it, like a 144hz monitor.

I use 32.

3GB is more than enough

Oh my god VRAM is fucking godsend. It makes older computers alot more usable. I recommend the minimum should at least 50% of install RAM

Maybe for medium textures, it's not enough if you don't want your games to be a blurry mess.

You'll be fine user

>8GB is for the OS+ stuff
Nigger the operating system doesn't even use 10% of that 8GB.

amazon.com/gp/product/B00B2HH7G0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

is this a good 144hz monitor?

Thanks.
Remember when HDDs did have the same ting?

They question is not
>Do I need this
The Question is
>Can I get this and will this spike in the future?

use your chance and lay off vidya for a while - do something physical for once

why the fuck is 16gb like 200+ bucks...

>1060 with 3gb
have one, very few games gave me trouble (RE7 and RS Siege), but I would pick the 6gb version if I could choose again

>Total Warhammer
>1060 3GB for 1080p

I mean Virtual RAM not Video RAM.

8gb is becoming the min requirements for games being released more modernly.
You won't be able to play Star Citizen unless you have 16gb min. And you should have 32gb, because most motherboards support it and RAM is dirt cheap to the point why wouldn't you want more multitasking power.

4GiB on start up.
Better calculate some room for it to expand because it will not shrink with all the (((critical updates))) it will get.

PS:
50% of 8 is 4
10% of 8 is 0.8 or 800MiB
What OS is only using 800MiB?

bitcucks ruined the PC hardware market

I can do this on 8 just fine, retarded chromefag.

t. palemooner

>buying hardware for upcoming titles
>being a shitposter for no good reason (not funny, no point to deliver)
the console thread is over there, user

8 is fine if you're not a literal retard like those who keep open 50 tabs on the browser and complain.

If you play games 8gb is enough. If you need to have 100 tabs open you probably dont like games. If you use programs like photoshop and gimp often then go for the 16 gb.

I got 32gb and right-clicking in Firefox breaks if I alt-tab out of LoL, even after I close the client. Is the problem with LoL of Firefox?

>8gb
>switch tab
>white screen
>[BRR BRR HARDDRIVE NOISES]
>page loads

>16gb
>switch tab
>it's there, no waiting

oh another chromecephalus

4 on start up!? Jesus how many background processes are you running at boot. Optimize that shit down to 2. Firewall and Antivirus should be only things you have starting at boot.

If you don't own a motherboard that can support 32gb by now you are out of date by over 6 years.

youtube.com/watch?v=bnXrDcKlTK4

16GB master race

>year ago
>considering upgrading my computer since it's starting to show it's age
>hm RAM prices went up a bit, I don't need to do it right away, I'll just wait for better tech and prices to drop

REGRET

NOTHING BUT REGRET

No you need more ram.

Nu blyat

> buy 8GB without any application installed on your PC actually using those
>application ... actually using those
LOL WUT?
Do children need to be educated?
See every image manipulation tool allows you to practically create unlimited picture dimensions you can max the RAM in no time if you know what you are doing or want to have some convenience and speed (in human work time) in creating a image.

>that default bookmarks bar
fuck off normie

>16gb
>switch tab
>[BRR BRR HARDDRIVE NOISES]
>white screen
>[BRR BRR HARDDRIVE NOISES]
>BSOD
>[BRR BRR HARDDRIVE NOISES]
>PC explodes
>you die

>256gb
>switch tab
>[BRR BRR SSD NOISES]
>it's there after only 15 minutes of waiting
I piss on you 16Gb-poorfag

>Cred Forums, KissAnime and Pokemon Showdown in bookmarks
>normie

What a normie
Get a load of normies they are not even using multiple VMs having multiple browsers oped over multiple work spaces and every window having multiple tabs.

How can I get 128gb to fit in my laptop?

Are you telling us you installed your Windows on RAM? And how many games did you fit?

DDR4 literally has no benefits over DDR3 in gaming use.

1 year m8, cost of 16GB then is what 8GB costs now

My bro has that and the colors are shitty, I have the 2411 from BenQ and it looks better
they're both that same price

>not knowing what an SSD is
I know this is Cred Forums so you can't expect much but cmon now.

If you're building a new system there's no reason to not buy 32gigs.

8gigs are pleb tier

>1TB SSD
>switch tab
>the entire city block gets a momentary power outage
>crashes, explosions on street
>it's there, no waiting
Lmao, 256gb fags

>Not using a RAMdisk
This faggolo

>mfw my cousin bough pre-build gaming pc with a fucking 1tb hdd 5400rpm

I still use 4GB. Hooray for eastern europe. At least I can always play old HoMM and cRPG games.

Windows clean install.
Don't believe me?
Try installing windows fresh and see the task manager.
>Firewall and Antivirus
You are talking my screen shot program from my cold dead hands.
Same for my work space program.
What OS are you running win98?

Read the chain. The guy says he has "16gb SSD".

>16gb AND SSD

Its not about how much ram you got, its the speed.

Higher Hz > Amount.
Also if we're being honest here, right now hard drives are more important, you need to get an SSD and pretend HDD's don't exist.

>DDR3
Max RAM = 128 GiB
>DDR4
Max RAM = 512 GiB
Any questions?
Its so that in the future you can always saturate your MOBO with RAM.

>400Xb Floppy Disc
>Open Chrome
>Magnetic Black Hole is created
>Universe Collapapses
>New Big Bang happens
>you evolve into frog-sapiens to shitpost primatefaces all day

i have 4 gigs my man since like 2013
boy oh boy being a poorfag sure is swell!

>Higher Hz > Amount.
lolno, not even close
hz means very little as long as you don't have something ridiculously low, you might get a few frames per second but load times and stutters are the same since that is the HDD's fault, by having more RAM you avoid disk reads which is by far the slowest part of the PC

>4 gigs
>2013
It was torture in 2014.
Its also the reason there is no point in buying a new laptop practically all of them have 4GiB of RAM.
I mean what is the point?
You open the web browser and the thing has problems.

>by having more RAM you avoid disk reads
You can't avoid it, which is why I said a hard drive is more important. It doesn't matter how much you store for loading when loading is slow thanks to a shitty hard drive.

I am not the only one it seems. I have the same hardware since 2009. Litellarly zero upgrades in 9 years, if anything I downgraded my mouse and keyboard as I broke them (scroll wheel on the mouse got busted and I accidentally poured my drink over the keyboard), then bought a cheaper ones. I am actually using my old PS2 mouse and keyboard from the 90s right now.

nigga
i am writing to you from a laptop with i7, 16gb ram and 1060gtx

How's the temps?

8GB is enough for most games, but if you want to be good for the next few years, go with 16GB.

I think he means the page file will not shit on the HDD/SSD.
Because frequent writes to SSD are a death sentence for it.

Me, on the other hand? I have 12.

What the fuck do you do with 100 open tabs?

What is the RAM used?
Can you check?

Also did you try to use a PC with 16 GiB of RAM?
I'm asking because some of the programs try to be cute and smart and simply dump their contents and reload them if you look back at the tab and this = wasted time.

16GiB is super smooth because the browser is not making these tricks.

As someone who bought 16 like 3 years ago, my RAM value has actually increased something like +90-110% since I purchased it.

It's not poorfags, it's the fact that the RAM market is getting fucked by a monopoly/monopsony right now.

It's not the same since with more RAM you load shit once and then never again, you don't have to worry about "old" tabs having to reload or too many programs open causing stutters while you're using shit since everything is already preloaded.

Well we gotta do what we gotta do. I actually have the same case since 2008ish, I just replaced single components with used ones over a span of time until I spent a whooping 300 sheckels that I saved up saved up/selling old ps2 games buying a whole semi-new build that can run indie games and some ps3 tier games.

yup, get with the times poorfags

Are you people calculating the fact that the OS needs RAM?
And some programs that also need RAM like steam etc?
8GB is game alone.

professional shitposting.
100 tabs, 100 threads, 1000s of posts.

8GB is enough, I've never felt the need to get more, everything runs smoothly, even if I run multiple programs at once. And I do keep 50 tabs open, never had a problem with it. RAM is fucking expensive right now, so if you must take a compromise, this is acceptable since you can always add more later if you feel the need for it.

With the current price of memory, go for 8. If you have an ssd then increase your pagefile to 16gb it will help a little bit.

it eats ~3GiB(don't play the 3999MiB game here) and 4GiB

That's the beauty of PC gaming, you have options.
Most games on low texture resolution settings will only use a few gigs of ram, definitely not anywhere close to 8.

>implying chrome is the only browser in existence

>1060
At least run a 1070.

I bet you could grill a steak on that.

>not having 128GB of ram and playing your games off a ramdisk

If you got 2 screens you need 16 gig atleast, 64 bit browser fucking eat up ram like their starving etophian kids. So if you want to play something like Subnautica while watching HD movies, 8 gig wont cut it.

I'm still going with 8gb because ram prices sucks right now and I rarely have issues. Only games I recall having issues was when I tried to play two CoD a few years apart, nothing else.

Other than that working with instrument samples or video editing sucks dick but for gaming I'm fine

>16 isn't expensive
>average $10 per gb

This is true.
However it really sucks ass if you have a powerful graphics card however you need to play on low texture resolution because your limited RAM is the main problem here.

The chains is as strong as its weakest link.

invest your money smart don't buy new i9 etc.
Get a i7-4 its great for gaming and all around.
I build my for gaming and work and I refused to have something with 8GiB of RAM after torturing myself for years on a 4GiB WinXPx32 system.

I can game and make insane productive things like editing insanely large pictures and have multiple VMs.
This is retarded you are harming yourself if you don't have enough RAM for the game.
>That's the beauty of PC gaming
True and while I'm a PC elitists who will never lay on consoles I must say that the beauty of consoles is that they will always run on the hardware they are made for.

I simply don't see a need to buy a TV toy that I can only use to play if I have a massive PC powerhouse that is for work and can game like no other. Its cheaper this way.

>128GB of ram and playing your games off a ramdisk
2 options
1) You lie and troll
2) You managed to use server hardware for gaming.

Because using server hardware to game is like trying to rape Satan in the ass.
He has the best ass you can imagine however catching him and preventing him from ripping you apart while you rape him is a challenge in itself.
And if you fuck up you will cray hard.

Because I see a way of doing this on server hardware.
Tell us your setup or you are a laying n00b.
And i agree gaming of RAM disc would be godly beyond imagination.

It is worth noticing that Zelda BOTW on cemu requires 16gb of ram for shader cache
if anyone wanted to play 2017 goty without buying switch

Forgot image.

Where are you getting current generation emulators from?
because I want them!

>Because using server hardware to game is like trying to rape Satan in the ass.
>He has the best ass you can imagine however catching him and preventing him from ripping you apart while you rape him is a challenge in itself.

I see Cred Forums will never adapt to Cred Forums, you might want to go back to your desktop threads

What are you confused about?

6gb here
this is fine

8 is not enough the OS alone uses 2gb so you only have 6gb

ram is just a concept

RAM is just a social construct

>all this pointless discussion when you can just download more ram for free

>8 gb is enough
Lol, try play DCS World in multiplayer with that and you'll be crying.

you forgot your picture of the cartoon dog in the house on fire

What did I say wrong?
The fact they you essentially did crippling overspecialization. Pic related.
Where your computer is basically a special purpose graphics rendering machine unusable for modern gaming (You can 3D rander and do bitcoin however)?

Or are you questioning my easement of using server hardware?

Hijacking a RAM thread to ask what kind of monitor I should get. I have a 970, the games I play aren't too demanding, I'd just like what games I do play to be vibrant. Not looking to spend more than $200 if I can help it, but if there's some sort of huge quality jump in the range, I'll think about it.

Make a new thread.

You're funny, I hope you're like that in real life and it's not just a troll

>DDR3
>Max of 128GiB
Are you retarded?
Mobos range from 24gb max all the way up to 1.5TB max for DDR3

8 is now the optimal minimum.
16 is recommended
Fev games do use 16 but it happens.
Even games that use 8 can run out of ram if the OS starts using more.

>Using server hardware is hard
>When you can use most of it out of the box
The issue is that dual CPU xeons are locked down hard and single socket server mobos don't have overclocking ability. The main benefit of the E5-1XXX series of xeons is that they overclock outrageously well. However trying to get one is obnoxious as well, since they are $200 one day and $1300 the next.
If games were multithreaded properly you could just go E5-2XXX and not care, grab 2 in a dual socket mobo and be happy for ages. However most games aren't threaded well at all and cap out at 4 or 8.
However you can even get SLI capable server boards but
>SLI
>This day and age
>When it's been neutered to all hell
I miss when it used to be +80% power for an extra card
In the end you have to basically choose between a RAMdisk and overclocking your CPU. There isn't really any nice solution to do both.

>Mobos range from 24gb max all the way up to 1.5TB max for DDR3
Citation needed!

See:
youtube.com/watch?v=_0ZtFrh_q_g
02:20

A supermicro X9DRD-CNT+ is 24 DIMM slots of DDR3, as long as it's ECC LRDIMM. The max for that board with ECC or non-ECC UDIMM is 384gb

In that video he's talking per stick, not total mobo support, which yes. DDR3 sticks are max 128gb and DDR4 are max 512gb. However that doesn't really factor in with video game users.

>poorfag from a 2nd world country
>work and save a bit from each paycheck
>was hoping to get a GTX 1070 for 450 euros or theresuch
>the prices rose again and now it's up to 700 euros

2 years ago, I paid for my whole, custom-built PC roughly 800 euros, display included. Now, it seems like I'll have to pay that much just for the GPU.

And since the 1070 is fucking me up the ass with its prices, I think I'll just save up a bit more and then get the 1080. My only question is: will it work fine if I keep using Windows 7? I only hear/see mention of how drivers for its DX12 are Win10 exclusive, but do I have to use DX12 with it or can I just play with it on Win 7 and DX11? Sorry for the dumb question, I really know very little about PCs.

Hello server bro.
Did you notice the limit was
>Per modal
AKA the RAM stick is limited to 128 GiB if you are on DDR3.
You can have multiple RAM sticks however a single one can not be more then 128GiB.

I addressed that in my second post. However you initially said "Max RAM" not "Max RAM per stick." The former implies you are talking about the capacity of the system, not the stick.

You be happy in some years after DDR4 is the norm and so you always can stick the new sticks into your MOBO without thinking about it.

Not like the abysmal 32/64 switch it happened to late and people often build the maximal 4GiB RAM 32 OS.

There as no need to rush DDR4 on consumer MOBOS.

>"Max RAM per stick."
True.
This is Cred Forums and I was trying to explain this to someone asking why we are switch to DDR3.

More max capacity is easier for them to understand then me adding more words to confuse them.

>What OS is only using 800MiB?
Linux/GNU distros with any DE besides Gnome3 and KDE (even KDE if you disable all that animation bullshit)

True, depends on how long they intend to future proof as well though. CPUs from 2010 are still more than viable right now, and they have the LGA2011 socket for the last breath of DDR3 which will last for a long while after that as well.
The sad fact of the matter is that games aren't bothering with simulation aspects, and don't hammer CPUs hard at all. At least nowhere near as hard as they could be.
But yeah, I get what you are saying. DDR4 is going to be the standard for a long long time, just like the last ones were. Depends on how long they want to go before having to buy new RAM sticks.

>8 is now the optimal minimum.
>now
It WAS the optimal minimum a few years ago

>any DE besides Gnome3 and KDE
You see here is the problem I'm not giving up my cinnamon and my thumbnails on everything.

Its like torturing myself if I do.
>Linux/GNU distros
Is it good for gaming?
Because MS has the audacity to actually sell 32 bit versions of Win10 a OS that uses 4GiB from start.
its like they are selling you bricks!

reddit get out plz

Thanks.
Are you the user who was bragging about gaming on 128 GiB RAM discs?
Because I'm interested in your setup.

I bought a new rig and got only 8gb. I'll probably need to update it down the road, but since it's the easiest part to upgrade, I'll just do it when I actually need to. I don't care.

Nah, I wasn't the one bragging. I have played around with a 96gb ramdisk though. That was on friend's hardware, but I can tell you about that. I'm running lesser shit until I have to upgrade, then will go to something similar to his.

8gb it's enough but you would have to assign some page file size in some games. Also, with 8gb your multitasking capabilities while gaming are kind of limited. I'm talking about AAA games like the new Wolffenstein. If you can get 16gb, go for it.

Is it a good time to upgrade or is there anything coming out for PC on the horizon that's worth waiting for? I'm having stability issues that I think is because of an overheating GPU. Both monitors cut out while the system locks.
While looking at prices I can't really find anything much better at roughly the same pricepoint that I paid two years ago and if I replace the GPU and it ends up being a processor or memory issue I'm going to be mad.

I use Cinnamon (with all animations disabled) on all my machines except some old ass laptop and I have about 600-700MB RAM usage, so I don't see where the problem is.

I still dual-boot Win8.1 for gaming. Only exception is a small collection of open-source games and some old obscure games, that are easier to setup with playonlinux than with Windows.

...

You will need 32 gb next year. Trust me.

>Is it a good time to upgrade
No. RAM and GPU prices are 100% fucked.

w-what's happening next year, user...?

8gb is dead now unless you play pre-2014 games or non-demanding mobas/indies. i had 8gb and i was forced to upgrade because my games would stutter with just 8gb and i was getting page file and data streaming conflicts on my HDD. 16gb is the absolute minimum for modern gaming.

>Gaming on a 1070 laptop with 16gb+ RAM is retarded while a 1060 is okay
Literally how?

32

16

Bigger, better. Because you can use it longer.

I'm in this boat too. I really want to upgrade my proc/mobo but it would mean new RAM and I feel like I'd be ripping myself off buying it right now.

>have 4gb cause one card died
>still doing fine

Fuck upgrading 2bh

I have 8gb right now and I don't think I've had any issues with games, though they are only 1333mhz. Does RAM speed make a visible difference?

>8gigs of ram

just buy a console at that point

>Does RAM speed make a visible difference?
massive difference

Eh, between the lowest and highest of DDR4 ram it was about 10%. Going back to DDR3 at that speed it's only around a 15% FPS increase.
Definitely not worth getting a new motherboard just for that.

Depends what you play. I think 8gb is fine for most things right now. But games like PUBG absolutely require 16, and games in the future probably will aswell.

>When you have 16gb and feel the urge to upgrade
>Would rather spend the money on your next holiday
Am I growing out of gaming?

No, you're growing out of the upgrade cycle.

Last time I upgraded, other than my GPU, was in 2010
GPUs killing themselves after 2-3 years is a massive issue for me though. They just tend to commit sudoku

>want to get 16gb
>don't want to get ddr3
>motherboard doesn't support ddr4

Welp

>using anything from google

3 years is standard warranty for a reason, though mine always lived longer than that. So far I've been able to retire all of them when obsolete.

Used DDR3 is super cheap

>That was on friend's hardware, but I can tell you about that
Oh please do I'm interested.
From what I understand the best example to gaming on servers is literally () like:
Because using server hardware to game is like trying to rape Satan in the ass.
He has the best ass you can imagine however catching him and preventing him from ripping you apart while you rape him is a challenge in itself.
See:
youtube.com/watch?v=epIlB49SNTI
If this is not hardware RAPE nothing is.

I prefer my gaming computers consensual.
Not to even spake of the trick levels of searching you need to do if you want the hardware on a budget.

And considering that you actually need to know how to use a RAM disc and how to power off the machine or you will have lose everything on the RAM disc.

There are other issues also.

Asceticism desu.

>3200 DDR4 16GB RAM is more expensive than a i5 8600K

This would be more convincing without the curtain in the background. Why can't these people set their props properly?

>200 usd for 16GB DDR4 RAM
Are you fucking kidding me

That's just scam tier. 160 is normal new.

ark has memory leak issues when i played it. super un optimized game.

Dude the subject was using a Nvidia Gen 10 with 3GiB of RAM and this is retarded for gaming.

i-is the cat ok?

EPC602D8A mobo, you can force the multiplier on that but not really do any kind of bclk edit. I don't know what he has it forced to atm, he was talking about 45x multi for 4.5ghz but who knows where that ended up. The main benefit of single CPU server mobos is that they tend to be around ATX format instead of larger. Although I have a tower that can take bigger than ATX.
E5-1680v2, very good chip, however the issues I mentioned before exist. We looked for ages to get him that at a decent price. Being $300 AUD or so instead of $1,500. Expect to hunt long and hard for that. E5-2XXX series are far easier to get but you need your dual socket mobo and can't OC at that point.
128gb of DDR3 ECC RAM. Think it was 1333 but not too sure. We pulled from an ex gov server. Bought it at auction for $230 AUD, sold the mobo + Xeons that came with it for about $150 all up.
When he as doing RAMdisk stuff he just decided to make it a 32gb/96gb split of RAM/RAMdisk. Was blistering fast, but small as fuck.
He probably still has his 980 in it.
Since the mobo was ATX form factor it played nicely with his case. He has a heavy passive cooler on his CPU though. No clue if it has a 4pin power connector for the CPU fans if he wanted to go that way.

>streaming your chinese cartoons
>not normie

I game in one of these

Why would you want a RAM thats higher than 2666? Thats stupid and just a handfull of games really used that, not even in a productive eviroment

So I bought a 8gb stick of RAM the other day, can I buy another one a bit later and it'll work fine? I don't think mine is overclocked because I'm stupid. Sorry for the stupid question i'm a chimp when it comes to this.

>can I buy another one a bit later and it'll work fine?
Why wouldn't it?

I just needed a confirmation for a rather trivial question, it was bothering me. Thank you.

you should try having 2 identical RAM sticks (same frequency/brand) for Dual Channel to work right

>Want to upgrade processor
>Don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10

What do?

Stop listening to memes and upgrade

That's not how RAM works.

I didn't really answer anything, but okay you're welcome.

you can use Win 7 with newer CPUs , I think Cred Forums has a guide for that

>When he as doing RAMdisk stuff he just decided to make it a 32gb/96gb split of RAM/RAMdisk.
For games?
How did he do it?
I was thinking about creating a VM int RAM disc giving it about 100GiB for HDD space and 16 for RAM.
Because its a VM you can simply limit how many cores it will see so windows or the games don't freak out.
Throw the VM file into the RAM disc and start up the VM.

The tricky thing whould be remembering that you NEED to copy it from RAM disc to HDD if you want to turn of the computer or the VM will vanish.

Then there is the issue (according to legends) some games having a build limitation because the devs never expected the READ speeds to be so fast so the loading screens will have a build in limitation.
Sometimes its good because some information is in the loading screens if you like this kind of thing.

The best thing about it would be having potentially no loading screens however because of the fuckery(you need to know exactly what you want to buy) or price required to get server hardware and not having the certainty it will work at all (the server processors don't have single core power on the level of PCs) or that it will be strange (offloading the VM to HDD) and the potential risk of the gema actually having build in loading screen limitations.
Its really not something I will ever try.
I can run my win98 games in a VM in RAM disc.
However its pointless because the loading screens are practically instantaneous already and offloading form RAM disc to HDD will bem ore annoying then less then 1 second for a loading screen.
Also if the power ever in my block is turned of while I have something in a RAM disc i will be angry.
Because I lost it.

Yes. So get a single slot of 8gb, so you have a slot left for another 8 if you ever need it.

T. a fag who knows less than John snow.

I've had 16 gigs since 2012 and never had a problem. I've seen usage go up to around 14 gigs when I had 50 chrome tabs open and a game running but never more than that. I'm honestly surprised it's still sufficient despite having it for nearly 6 years.

>what OS only uses 800MB?
Windows 7

How many slots do you have in your MOBO because if they are all full you can not install it physically, duh.

Also what is you MOBOs MAX RAM capacity?
You need to know if the MOBO will see it logically.
What is your MOBO documentation?
What is its model number?

You actually need to know these things.

DDR4 is the only thing you should consider.
Frequency for a modern CPU should ideally be 3000MHz, but above that you have greatly diminishing returns.
CL should be the lowest you can get, but it's not a deal breaker, CL16 is good enough.

This is probably true, annoyingly enough. Thank fuck I have another ram slot left

Isn't ram backwards compatable? Just use your old shit

2-3 years
Mine ran for 6 and was just chugging along fine until I replaced it with something 2.5 times more powerful..

Get 16gb so you can do degenerate stuff like have 2 chrome tabs open while playing games.

Thank the 8GB consoles.

This is what future proofing looks like.

Where can I buy RAM that isn't being Jewed?

How many RAM would ps5 have?

Enough for the marketers to brag about but not enough to really change anything. Remember how the ps4 was a "supercharged PC"?

Logically - 16 GB
Realistically - maybe 12 GB

Probably a good amount, consolefags have been trying to push the 4k/30fps meme pretty hard

But ram is expensive as fuck. The only point to have a console is because it's are cheap.

hoarding is a mental illness

he's mentally ill

8 is plenty.

Most games still run on 4 or 2.

>4k/30fps
>30fps
>Implying it can run 4k at any fps

DDR4 is really expensive because supply hasnt been able to catch demand with smartphones. This was exacerbated last year when one of the factories (which supplies 1/5 of all DDR4 in the world) had to destroy their entire stock due to a manufacturing error. knock on wood but this should be solved with DDR5.

You "should" get 16 if you can. It'll depend on your computer usage as well; if you're the sort that closes almost all other programs when running a game in full screen, you can get away with 8 with no fuss. If you tend to have a browser running, eating 1GB+ of RAM all the time, on top of any number of other applications you've got percolating and then fire up a game on top of that, you should really have 16. If you're into heavy rendering/video editing on top of that, 24-32.

Over the decades I've found what tends to be a good rule of thumb. You get as much decent RAM as ~100 bucks buys you, and it'll usually land in that sweet spot of enough to do anything normal with no hiccups, but without going overboard. This doesn't apply right now though, with the current prices on RAM being all fucked up.

>due to a manufacturing error
Oh sure, "manufacturing error"

If Vulkan takes off, DX anything won't matter anymore. Admittedly big fucking if, since DX is the bundled Norton AV of hardware wrappers and every cookie-cutter tool/engine used by devs was built around it. More to your question though, there are hardly any games on the market utilizing DX12 right now(and most, if not all of them have fallback to 9/10/11). Support for 12 is something you can safely put off.

Oh so it will work fine on Win7? Thanks, user, for taking the time to reply to my post from several hours ago, you're a champ.

support for vulkan seems pretty shitty as well, which games had it recently, D44m, I suppose Wolfenstein 2 had it too? Also some Valve game, Dota 2 or whatever, but overall I don't see a lot of vulkan support in gaming