IT'S HAPPENING: AMD Zen CPU & AM4 Socket Pictured

IPC - included pin count

>still inefficient as fuck per clock cycle

Foxconn employees have a lower suicide rate, 50% higher pay, and better living conditions than any surrounding area. Your point?

There's nowhere in this world you can move to where people will give a shit about foxconn workers.

>PGA
Shill harder Pajeet.

Meanwhile, at AMD...

Lel

how much will this shit cost

>foxcon
nice

I'm retarded but Intel socket also use pin...?

>Hmmm, which would I rather break
>$150 motherboard (tops)
>$400 CPU

>bending pins

Are you all paid intel shills? you think the intel sockets aren't pins? Jesus christ who gives a shit what the interface looks like

If you've broken pins on a cpu maybe you're too young to be dealing with computer hardware, Timmy.

Pins are superior. No idea why doesn't Intel use pins.

Why?

The only thing about this that annoys me is the cooling solution mount breaking compat with AM3 and co.

First, pins are durable. There is literally no way to break your socket or CPU. Even if you break a fuckin pin, you can solder it on back with little effort.

If you as much as touch any Intel socket or get a little of thermal compound into it your mobo is fucked for good.

Also pins theoretically have better contact.

So why does it matter if the pins are on the socket as opposed to the CPU? You're making no goddamn sense.

>get a little of thermal compound into it your mobo

How potato are AMD users? For fucks sake, how do you even manage that?

>2016
>not using liquid metal

Stay pleb.

>pins on CPU
Thought it was 2016, not 1996

>putting MSI levels of globs on

Gas yourself.

kek

>Intel mobos are still using pins in 2017

This

He makes sense you just have a fucking lack of understanding.

>muh pins on cpu muh pins on cpu

Nothing wrong with that bunch of faggot

I know the "pajeet" thing is satire and all, but it stopped being funny a while ago. Now it's just racist. You can stop already.

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>bent pin
>can actually fix with PGA
>BGA may as well throw out the mobo
Intel did this on purpose you know

I fixed a bent Intel contact thing on my mobo.
I've fixed many bent AM3 pins but only 1 Intel socket

name of girl?

IT SAYS IT RIGHT IN THE FUCKING WEBM YOU FUCKING RETARD

>girl

I have bad news for you...

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>Girl
>Bailey Jay
You know "she" has a penor right?

>implying thats a bad news

I use a pent 3 chip with pins to brush my cats fur.

Based AMD will let me do the same with current gen hardware

Hi! You must be new here.

>Fucking why
>why the pins.

because AMD aren't complete kikes trying to shift RMA cost burdens to mobo suppliers.

it's a fuckload easier to bend a CPU pin back than one on the motherboard, or replace a CPU than replace a motherboard, which is what really matters in enterprise.

time often matters more than saving a couple hundred bucks on one part vs. another in the worst case.

I don't get people complaining about the pins. Does Intel not have them?

Spoonfeed somebody who doesn't own a new CPU.

>all of us here at Cred Forums have a mental rolodex of shemales and memes

>I was here when bailey jay was linetrap
>I'm still here
>god help me

Intel puts the pins in the socket since LGA775.

Pins don't matter. Zen will probably flop. AMD has given us no reason to trust that they can make a good CPU. They have to prove themselves.

You have to have pins and contact points. AMD uses the traditional way of having pins on CPU while Intel switched to pins on motherboard a few years ago.

And that's a bad thing.

Will this finally give me a reason to switch from my i5 4690?

Killed a prebuilt that way.
Wanted to change thermal paste, but when I pulled off the cooler, the paste was bone dry and was more like power.
New paste, put the cooler back on, didn't work.
The old paste managed to get on the socket and killed the board.

>fuck up pins on LGA
>you will never fix it, motherboard is fucked forever
>fuck up pins on PGA
>cpu pins are much easier to bend back due to being much farther apart

Except it isn't. Bending/breaking pins on mobo is ten times harder to do than on CPU, not to mention thanks to this change Intel CPUs are bulletproof when it comes to buying used ones.

The only thing I don't like about PGA is that you have to store the CPU's in anti-static foam, or else the pins can get fucked up.
With LGA you can just store the cpu's in a anti-static bag and not worry.

youtube.com/watch?v=EdDccsbv5hA

Literally the only time I said it.

>Bending/breaking pins on mobo is ten times harder to do than on CPU
No it's not. You just have to touch it. Because intel pins are paper thin.
To bend AMD pins you have to literally hammer them.

Also if you manage to go full retard and bend an AMD pin you can straighten it out with a knife without even looking.
If you bend pins on your mobo you have to take your whole rig apart and buy a new mobo.

how much does intel pay you for your shilling? is that enough to make a life in your poor indian village?

Why would Intel even need shills don't they have 97% of the CPU market by now?

Because they would like to keep it that way, obviosously.

>Looks like socket 478 from the Pentium 4 era
BRAVO AMD

AM4 is 1,331 pin PGA
SP3 is 4094 pin LGA

This is nothing new.

That's not a girl~

I call it my memory and I keep my memory in my brain. I bet learn those multiplication tables was pretty tough.

No. Zen aims to be a good value, not necessarily have more raw power than Intel. Although iirc Zen will offer more cores for cheaper, which would help a lot in DX12 games, if you care about that.

Summit Ridge is HEDT, not mainstream. Its competing against Haswell-E, and the lower tiers of Broadwell-E.
It isn't going to be priced against intel's mainstream parts.

The 4c/8t Raven Ridge APU is the mainstream platform.

Don't really care about DX12 and most games I play favour fewer cores with higher clocks so I guess I'll just wait for Intel to stack 3 or 4 more generations with shitty 5% performance increases.

I just told my parents to invest in AMD because they're poised to make a comeback (although I did say I'm not confident enough to invest money I'm not comfortable losing). Am I right, or is AMD so fucked that Zen being successful wouldn't increase their stock price by that much?

>giving stock advice to anyone
>when you're asking Cred Forums for advice

AMD will experience a moderate rally when they start drawing revenue from Zen based parts, but you don't tell old people to invest in a tech rollercoaster unless they watch it often enough to sell at the peak.

if you bought a cooler from noctua they're giving new mounting brackets away for free

NZXT Kraken so yeah...

CRUNCH

>wccftech

hwsw.hu/hirek/56123/amd-socket-am4-foglalat-platform-bristol-ridge-summit-ridge-raven-ridge-promontory-chipster-alaplap.html

>fucking hungaria
nice

Lol

>bangs

>AM4
>fucking 754 clone
KEKSIMUS MAXIMALUS

>2016
>not BGA
>will never experience desoldering a cpu from a mainboard and replacing it
>SMD rework station rarely gets used
>i have no friends
>no job
>no girlfriend

:+(

I've stored an old shitty laptop pentium PGA in a random box filled with shitty old DDR1 and other assorted shit and it couldn't care less, 1 pin is bent so slightly it would fix itself in the socket.

Meanwhile, with LGA, breathe on that fucking shit too hard and enjoy getting a new motherboard.

>ITT: le fucking pins
What has me worried more is that the mount is made of fucking plastic, how is this allowed? How can anyone think this is better than a metal bracket?

>1331 pins
why not just make it 1337zorz??

You are aware every other CPU mount/socket is plastic, right?

Those are absolutely irrelevant.

Performance and Performance/Watt kinda go hand in hand.
Somewhat worried that they won't make it on the Laptop CPU/APU side of things, and then they'll be left only competing in a small section of the enthusiast market.

What are they supposed to me made of, idiot? Fucking metal? What the fuck is your point?

>this is neo-Cred Forums
>inb4 pretending

Everything uses AM4, so It's the same set of motherboards.

>Somewhat worried that they won't make it on the Laptop CPU/APU side of things

Mobile Raven Ridge scales from 35w to 4w.

are you too underage to remember the times when most CPU sockets were like that?

>physical connections
AMD is AMDoomed

When will they finally use bluetooth and integrate a battery so I don't have to mess around with pins.

Intel uses pins. The pins are on the mainboard.

just wait for zen 5 guys

Did he shit inside the toilet paper roll? It's brown inside.

>intel uses pins on mobo
>amd uses pins on cpu
>somehow one solution is oh-so-fucking-superior

i bet it's because when you feel like using your cpu as shuriken, intel has better chance of survival

>no thunderbolt 3 integrated in the chipset
AMD is doomed in the laptop segment

why would they need shills for that?
amd is doing a great job at securing intels marketshare

Intel users are gaymen.

>shitconn

holy shit

ive built computers smashed drunk and never bent a pin. knock on wood.

imo it's too late because most holders already calculated zen's success in their decision to buy so it will mostly fall really hard are rise really soft

hummmmm

ha, I had to bend about 30 - 40 pins back to straight after fucking up an AMD processor, I used a bamboo skewer and thankfully none broke. CPU has been running pretty much constantly for 2 years now without issues

Single-core benchmarks when?

Cardboard

>like intel
>see cheap old cpu
>motherboard are overpriced as fuck because ruining one pin destroys everything

Seriously? Pins on the cpu?

Fuck, that is some grade A stupidity.

>t. intel shill

do tell, why is it stupid?

because it was used before socket 775 times in everything and then intel abandoned it

if intel abandoned it, then it had to be stupid

Have any of you read the thread?
Intel moved the pins to the motherboard because if you do fuck up the pins it's cheaper to replace the board than the cpu in a lot of cases. Pins on the cpu are easier to fix though. They basically cancel eachother out. It doesn't matter unless you're a clumsy motherfucker.
I personally prefer lga because pga chips with old thermal paste tend to get ripped out when you remove the heatsink.

Have even installed both types of cpus? The old intel pined ones were fucking awful because the design needs the pins to be so long they become weak. Moving them to the motherboard allowed them to be shorter and stronger and far harder to damage.

Intel motherboard for 150 dollars? Are you shitting me? Maybe if you bought the most bargain bin mobo. The average mid level intel mobo is 250 bucks.

Anyway it's all got a warranty.

>Outdated, obsolete PGA instead of LGA

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES EVERYWHERE

>it's cheaper to replace the board than the cpu in a lot of cases

It's way less convienient. It's maybe going to save you 50 bucks, but you will have to take everything apart, take apart your cable management and shit.
Any sane person would rather replace the CPU.

>CPU is $300
>Motherboard is $100 because it's AYYMDPOORFAGs tier
>better to replace the CPU

AYYMDPOORFAGS LOGIC, EVERYONE

>Pins on the cpu are easier to fix though

Bargain motherboards are under $100. Average boards are around $150 and there is rarely a reason to spend more. $250 boards are either entry level server or gamer trash.

>$250 boards are either entry level server or gamer trash.
$250+ board is a must with any K series CPU.

I'm rolling on a $350 board right now.
With Intel your motherboard has to cost MORE than your CPU to get some decent OC.

>he fell for the OC meme

it seems like you don't understand: you're in thinly veiled amd vs nvidia thread

you either like amd and shit about superiority of their sockets, or you like intel and you shit about superiority of their sockets. you can't just hold the middle ground. pin logic doesn't matter and it's obvious, everyone knows that

>AMD Zen is coming, we swear!
Zen has been "around the corner in Q(1-4) 201X!" for something like 2 years. I refuse to believe that it will actually be released until I'm able to physically buy one.
That being said, if it's released and actually is a meaningful upgrade over my 8320 (read: better than the Z-series Icelake i7's or whatever generation intel is on by release), I'd strongly consider making the jump.

My z-97 board was $139.99.
>4 ram slots
>great vrm cooling
>3 pci-e 16x slots
>sata express ports
>m.2 slot
Maybe you suck at shopping.

>Cred Forums complaining about PGA
ayy

>Paying $300 premium for an OC board
>Paying $80 premium for a good cooler
>Paying $50 premium for a K CPU

Why don't you instead invest in something useful like a large SSD?

youtube.com/watch?v=B9Aoaxwouu0

125 € when I bought it last april.

Lots of very bored tards on Cred Forums today. Honestly who gives a fuck if it's LGA or PGA, no-one on this forum is going to break pins unless they are underage.

Yes, adults have the money to buy prebuilts.

>3 pci-e 16x slots
nice try but you've been PCIe cucked those are clearly x8 electrical slots. How sad he thinks he actually has 3x PCIe x16 but instead he's just a loser.

Close, but not quite. I can run one at full x16, or run the top two at x8 and x8. The bottom one is run off the chipset controller. Useless for a gpu, but fine for other things. You can't get multiple 16 lanes without an extreme edition processor and chipset, and the intel tax is insane.

gullible fools have the money to buy prebuilts unless its actually a good deal unlike 99.9% of prebuilts

>I can run one at full x16, or run the top two at x8 and x8
Even on a dirtcheap AMD FX CPU you can run two graphics card at x16 (PCIe 2.0).

How can Intel get away with this shit?

Because with PCIe 3.0, the difference between 8x and 16x is fuck all.

That looks like the same old ancient shit to me.

>being retarded enough to bend cpu pins

From what I understand with 14nm Samsung. The cpu will do just fine at 3.0 GHz and will compete with Intel in that GHz level.

BUT Intel cpus can clock to 4.8ghz.and zen probably won't pass 3.4ghz.

Same story as with Polaris. Can't clock because Samsung/glofo

GCN is not a high clocking arch, it never would be no matter what process its fabbed on. 14nm LPP provides an increase in fmax over 28nm HPP, the fact that 100% of all Polaris 10 cards has to hit at least 1266mhz is incredibly impressive for the arch.

>GCN is not a high clocking arch

the GCN architecture doesnt have a single thing to do with clock speed.

faggot

bargain motherboards are well under $75. if you're going to shill don't do it with misinformation.

I thought it was 1497 pins

>$250+ board is a must with any K series CPU.

yeah okay.

Yes, it does.
Tech illiterate retard.

It has an 8 stage pipeline.

feels bad man

linetrap was so cute, everyone immediately fell in love when he flashed the camera

if only people would lurkmore.com

''Bailey Jay'' is cuter, ''Linetrap'' was for real homos: no ass/tits.

Why does Cred Forums fall for AMD's lies so often? I know people desperately want Intel to have some rela competition but holy shit how many more times are you going to get burned?

I personally prefer having the pins on the motherboard. You don't really handle the motherboard socket much with your hands, but you do handle the CPU. I've bent the pins on my FX-8350, but I was able to bend them back.

It's just a preference though. Now that I know how easy it is to bend the pins I'm just extra careful with the CPU. If the price and performance on the new Zen chips are a good improvement, I might pick one up.

hi again Newfriend.
still nothing to do with clock speeds tho.

if AMD had gone for TSMC and had a different production that 14nm LP/P then they would have had a completly different and probably higher clock speed.

sadly because they are locked too glofo, they are stuck with shit speeds. Thats one of the main reasons they want to get out of the contract.

I had an ancient pentium 1 lying around in a box with other stuff, and while one row of pins were bent, it was easy to straighten them out. straightening pins on a mobo ranges from hard to impossible. I managed to fix a 1366 board with a bent pin, but it required a sharp tool and a very steady hand.

>everyone jumping ship from x86
>Intel already pushed it to the limit with Haswell and declares Moores Law dead
>AMD goes out to the world and says, "look, we can compete in a fucking dying market!"

AMD is without a doubt the most pathetic, yet hilarious company in tech. Its like the slow kid who finally figures out how to do Algebra when everyone's already learning Calculus.

>everyone jumping ship from x86
There's not really any alternatives as of now, except maybe POWER, but nothing has really gained ground yet.

>one company has no competition so they decide to put some bullshit in order to justify their 6xxxs being just as powerful as previous generations
>hurr amd is dum why are they even trying

also
>implying x86_64 is going anywhere

Adults don't play games tho

AMD doesnt innovate, their only goal is to be 2nd place. And they finally catch up when the race has been over for 2 years.

Im just wondering why anyone finds any of this impressive or worth supporting. Its pretty clear Intel hit a brick wall in performance and "da Joos" dont have anything to do with it.

>amd doesnt innovate
>pentium 4 times don't count
>dual core don't count
>x64 extensions don't count

yeah, cool

>AMD doesnt innovate
Then why were they ahead of Intel in the early-mid 2000s? Bulldozer was also pretty innovative, although it turned out to be poop. Their IGPs are also way better than Intel's still.

he was probably in diapers at the time

>10 years ago is the same as today
Other companies look for new things and innovate, AMD is trying to show off that it can be 2nd place in a dying market, Thats all Zen is. At most itll be a cheaper, shittier i7 6900k.

>he thinks x86 is going away anytime soon
oh wait, you're actually serious. let me laugh even harder

because the intel engineers who designed the sockets were incompetent fucks that allowed the destruction of many CPUs.

>girl
ayyyyyyyy

uses for x86
>Chad can build his sick GAYYYMER PC
>Rajeet can get a desktop using his AMD shill money to shill for AMD more
>Chink Incorporated can keep using their housefire tier Windows servers to host their malware websites

Just about everything else relevant is being phased out by ARM

Found the feminine penis sucker.

>Windows servers
Seriously, who the hell uses this shit? For what purpose?!

Thats apparently what AMD is going for with Zen
And as I said, Chinks and Pajeets

you are deluded if you think that windows, gaymes and commercial software, which are all multi-billion dollar markets, are going to be moving away from x86 soon

>And as I said, Chinks and Pajeets
But why Windows?

years ago is the same as today
tell us, faglord, how does intel "innovate" these days?
most, if not all AMD CPUs support amd-v, iommu, opencl, sse4.2, avx, ...
in terms of "innovation", adding SIMD extensions is the same shit as usual: add more registers, widen them, add some instructions

I never fuck up pins on either LGA or PGA, but PGA retention mechanism is shit compared to LGA.

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>AMD
who cares?

Because a Monopoly in any industry is very very bad for the consumer, the fact you don't understand this is sad

>which is what really matters in enterprise.

AMD has been using LGA for enterprise products for ~10 years now m8.

PIN DUDE LMAO

Meanwhile...

You know nothing and spew straight bullshit.

There was absutely no meaningful difference between the performance, heat waste, and battery life of Samsung or tsmc produced apple A9 SoCs.

What youre suggesting is idiotic, contradicts evidence, and shows that you in fact know nothing about IC design.
Yes, the short GCN pipeline, hardware scheduler, and the decision to couple all parts on their GPU to a single clock driver are the reasons why AMD parts dont clock like Nvidia parts.
It has nothing to do with the fab process and it's also why they draw more power than Nvidia.

you misspelled Cred Forums

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Best part about Zen is that I probably wont need a new Mobo when Zen+ comes out

AMD arent socket jews like Intel

I'm dying, I don't know why that was so funny but it was.

>not LGA

This is a damn joke.

Intel pins are Ultra Durable.

>Even if you break a fuckin pin, you can solder it on back with little effort.

It that pin density, good fucking luck soldering back a broken pin. Especially if it gets lost - then you'll need a substitute that is the exact same size (length and girth).

Pins on the motherboard are objectively a better choice because they are much less likely to get damaged from accidents.

>If you as much as touch any Intel socket or get a little of thermal compound into it your mobo is fucked for good.

If you have thermal compound getting into the socket then you are using way, way, way too much. That thing is meant to fill out the uneven parts between the cooler and the heat spreader (because it transfers heat better than air), not act as an auxiliary layer between the two. Given the force with which the cooler sits on the CPU, which will flatten out the compound as much as possible, even a small pea in the middle can be too much.

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fuckin onion eater

I am reminded of the last time I removed an old single core amd cpu heatsink to replace the thermal paste. It ripped the cpu out with it. Didn't damage any pins though, so I was lucky in that regard.

do pipeline lengths even matter with SIMT?

the entire point is that you just juggle a fuckton of threads in parallel to hide various form of stalls, and merge threads that rejoin the same instruction flows after branches, etc.

So many retards without much experience.

Listen to these guys, kiddos. There are good methods to fix a pin that gets bend. Plus you never bend a pin when you know how to remove CPU heatsinks (release mechanism but hold in place, then turn the heatsink a bit until it gives in to "tear it off").

It is nigh impossible to fix pins on LGA mobo if you screw up. Kill.

But how does everything short itself if it is not METAL like proper GAMER HARDWARE or iPhone phones?

That board is dope.

How powerful is this new Zen CPU?

i want baily to fuck me in the ass

AMD claims 6900k, reality will probabl be a shittier i5

even if AMD are not lying and it gets +40% over FX series

thats just less than haswell performance so it better be fucking cheap

Haswell performance for normie applications like gaming on emulators that still cant use more than 1 core

Broadwell E performance for video rendering or anything that actually requires heavy processor performance

>soldered onto mobo
>laptops only
Looks like you sure corrected the record!

>AsRock

>thats just less than haswell performance so it better be fucking cheap

It's Haswell performance but with 8+ cores. So basically the equivalent of Intels $1000 extreme edition CPUs.

Everyone used to know about linetrap.

yeah I think people forget AMD means 40% ipc while still having moar cores

Cred Forums read the wiki page on lga now they're computer masters

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>>somehow one solution is oh-so-fucking-superior

Yes, one is embedded onto a plane that is surrounded by elevated parts, it takes a concerted effort to fuck pins on the motherboard.

There's a reason the company with actual market share moved away from pins on CPU, and the idiots who can't sell a product to save their lives haven't.

AMD makes such shit products that compete with years old Intel CPUs to the point that even the fucking sockets for AMD CPUs look a decade out of date.

>he took the meta bait

>He took the new meta bate

>he took the meta meta meta bait

thunderbolt belongs to Intel
Thats like saying why doesnt AMD support Gameworks

People support AMD only as a token competitor
Fuckin kek

You should be saying, "I like them because they make good products", but of course this is impossible because everything from AMD is dogshit. So you say, "Im glad theyre here as a competitor cuz monopolies r bad!".

Its like saying your child's awful anime drawing is a masterpiece and hanging it on the fridge. You dont want to hurt their feelings, just as you dont want AMD to go under like the cancer to the tech industry they are.

Not smoking 30 cigs and poppin a xanax before building a computer to ensure you do not fuck up the pins.

Get out you fucking casuals

>Kindergarten teacher gives class an assignment to color a drawing of a caterpillar
>One kid does it at lightspeed all while staying inside the lines
>One kid shits himself and smears it all over his paper
>Teacher gives the shitter a reward because at least he is providing competition against the child who's extremely good at coloring.
>Doesnt send child to special ed to prevent a "monopoly" of children who are good at coloring

AMD.

>btfo a now 4-year-old CPU
>maybe by May 2017

Also keep in mind:
>first come SoC
>then come server
>then comes OEM release
>THEN...then...assuming they don't go bankrupt again....a year later comes packaged desktop CPU's
Don't expect to be able to buy a consumer tier Zen CPU without buying a prebuilt until 2019.

By which point Intel will be 2 generations ahead...again.

>look at me make shit up: the post
Summit Ridge and Opterons come out before anything else.

>building new pc to replace 5 yr old setup
>want to wait for zen/kabylake
>we dun support older than win10

that means intel gets my money with skylake. already bought my motherboard. too late turn back now. if only AMD would support 7. i could have waited. in fact i'm waiting vega/volta before buying a GPU. just slowly collecting parts on sale atm.

And yet here we are looking at a functioning SoC...

And not a Summit Ridge.

With no mention of when Summit Ridge will launch since December of last year (when they promised "late 2016"...which we're in).

>I still have literally no idea what I'm talking about

Raven Ridge APUs aren't coming out until the second half of 2017.
Summit Ridge and Opterons launch first.
You're just pulling things out of your ass.

bad bait.

so apparently microsoft will only support Zen on spyware 10. does this mean that the pajeets have won and windows 7 won't run properly on it?

If you are too dumb to store CPU in a box so pins don't bend, it's a solution.
Too bad the market is mostly made of dumb people (as is the world).

You need to read more. Everything is supported by everything, just not fully (i.e. new meme features).

As said, W7 can still work in skylake, thing is you need the USB drivers because they changed the host controller from EHCI to xHCI and microshit never made a new ISO with those in, think of it as what happened with XP and the sata drivers that at first needed to be installed with a damn floppy disk...
The other changes are the use of newer power states but again see it like with XP that to open solitaire it made the cpu use all cores at max frequency even if it was for 1ms, it would just mean it will manage it like shit between states and have more overall heat and power consumption (still this would be a real issue with notebooks). And Directmeme12, that at least for now it means nothing and by the time it make an OS exclusion (like Dx10/11 games without 9.0c engine/codepath were to XP) either your hardware would be old or who knows, maybe all pajeets died and microshit decided to ditch 10 because reasons.

And same should apply in Zen, unless the assholes never release motherboard drivers for
7/8.1 and you get stuck without USB and god know what else as you would depend exclusively on the windows default drivers compatibility if there's a new hardware like a new version of the lan controller, audio controller and such that don't work by default.
Still, seeing they aim their product to the cheap marketshare they would probably deliver said drivers at least for the first chipsets, and maybe as a market strategy to eat up the "upgrade/new/first build but don't want the w10 shit" customers.

>no source

All we know so far is that it slightly beats Broadwell-E clock-for-clock in a multithreaded test on 6c/12t. Considering it's likely AMD's SMT implementation is worse than Intel's (who've been honing it for 10+ years), this could actually mean Zen's single-thread IPC is around Skylake level.

We don't really know at this point. Skylake's IPC is only 5% (if that) better than Broadwell-E on average so either way Zen should be competitive. Let's just hope there isn't a huge spanner in the works like "it won't clock past 3.5 GHz".

Summit Ridge is Q1 2017 m8, AMD's most recent slides said this.

I don't think AMD are scared of Kaby "marginal gains" Lake.

>pins not on socket

what is this, the year 1993?

FX series is Piledriver. AMD claims it's 40% above Excavator.
That one leaked gaming benchmark shows Zen to have at least 80% higher IPC than Piledriver.

>All we know so far is that it slightly beats Broadwell-E clock-for-clock in a multithreaded test on 6c/12t.
No it was 8 cores and 16 threads. Broadwell-E i7 6900k vs a Summit Ridge ES chip, both fixed at 3ghz.
At this test showed that in the specific case of Blender, AMD's new arch does well.

AMD have claimed that Zen has the same power per clock as Excavator, and worst case scenario that means 3.2ghz is 10w per core. With 8 cores and 15w for uncore that gives you a 95w part clocked at 3.2ghz. Thats the worst case scenario for the top binned Summit Ridge at stock.
If they were comparing it to Excavator in Bristol Ridge with its tweaked AVFS then clocks would be higher still.
If the uncore draws less power that also provides more power margin for higher frequency.
How the chips handle turbo speeds is still entirely up in the air as well. They could have 4 threads on one CCX clock up to 4ghz.

>dat cheap plastic socket

once this hits 90c, like opening a browser, shit gonna melt

...

>hole in middle of socket

Welcome to 2003

FM1, FM2, FM2+, and socket AM1 all have the same "hole"
Not that any of you tech illiterate children understand this.

Meaning AMD has not xhanged their tech at all since 2003

Yep. You're a tech illiterate child.

It's the same plastic that intel's sockets are made from.

Thats not a hole though that is so those boxes can communitcate with the cou wirelessly

Intel has never NOT had the hole in the middle of the socket on ANY of their non-mobile sockets, PGA or LGA.

And intel uses pins still for their mobile sockets.

I bet you actually believe that too.

Well what else would the little boxes be for?

>fixing things
>not just buying replacements

are you poor?

they hold spare socket pins in case you break some.

For exposing tech illiterate retards who can't identify a surface mount capacitor. Like you.

Well we know that Intel are at least half-worried about Zen because they are finally planning to bring out a hex-core mainstream CPU based on Kaby Lake called Coffee Lake. It's also come about because 10 nm is harder than they thought and Cannonlake will ship later than expected.

they're surface mount capacitors, dumbass.

>capacitor

More 2003 technology all CPUs suck

>inb4 Intel shills saying competition is bad

>2003

that's like 60s technology.

Watch CannonLake roll out like Broadwell CoreM parts did. Horrid yields, SKUs a total mess of ridiculous segmentation since they couldn't get enough chips to bin with the same clocks.
If intel really does release Coffee Lake in 2018 as a 14nm part then they'll be on 10nm until 2021~

It'll be interesting to see intel's 10nm bulk Trigate vs IBM's 7nm SOI FinFET.

The 60s are a myth perpetuated bu the government so they can justify banning a natural plant

it all makes sense now!

lmao

>INTEL BTFO SOON
does anyone still believe this

mobos are cheaper than cpus though, so it's good that it's on the mobo

fpbp

Fathers PC is overheat. I come over with tools
>Unplug fan and try gentle twist and pull on hsf
>Thermal paste is like glue, CPU comes straight up with hsf
Haha oops!
>Gently lever CPU off heatsink with screwdriver
>Paste releases with a pop, CPU soars then bounces across table
Whoops! This almost never happens..
>Clean up, boots up fine, 30° cooler, thanks AMD
Professional at work

>A new socket!

OMFG, A NEW SOCKET THATS AWESOME, THANK GOODNESS THEY ADDED A SPACE IN THE MIDDLE, NO WAY WILL THEY EVER RELEASE AN EVEN NEWER ONE AND FILL THAT SPACE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER NEW SOCKET. GOD I LOVE NEW SOCKETS!

WE NEED TO DO THIS WITH EVERYTHING, EVERY YEAR CHANGE YOUR HOUSES SOCKETS SO YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THEM ALL WHEN YOU BUY A NEW TOASTER.

Can I subscribe to your conspiracy blog?

Cool. Now show me the prices.

All AMD has officially stated is that ASP would be higher than previous FX parts.
That puts it at $200+. Personally I'd bet on the top end Summit Ridge selling for $500, and $250 for the top end Raven Ridge APU.

compared to the $1000 chip its competing against it better be gud

This, I've had crap thermal paste turn to glue, and rip AMD cpus out of their sockets with the retention arm down, and I have never bent a pin.

What are you guys doing to bend pins, dropping them for third story buildings?

how about just dont stick your fucking fingers into the damn socket.

Why do AMD CPUs get so hot?
Intel CPUs turn off when they overheat. AMD CPUs catch on fire.

youtube.com/watch?v=hxSqCdT7xPY

Those are some ancient chips.

I saw the article. AMD still needs a Huuuuge radiator and fan.

Just make fucking ARM emulate x86.

Wraith cooler will do the job if you don't plan to overclock.

The Wraith cooler actually comes within spitting distance of the Hyper 212 in terms of performance if the Anand article is any accurate.
Downside is that due to its size, even with a 92mm fan its a bit of a noisy bastard.
For a stock cooler though thats really good.
anandtech.com/show/10500/stock-cooler-roundup-intel-amd-vs-evo-212

theres no fan on that radiator though
if you have no fan of course you need a huge radiator

I did notice they had to have extra fans on the motherboard during the Zen demo, though

Im hoping I can keep my AM4 mobo when Zen+ is out

save like 200-300 dollars right there

I mean I can deal with the noise. I'm used to loud fans and they don't really bother me. However Intel stock coolers are becoming more and more garbage. Thankfully they don't include them with K parts anymore because they are just trash. Good for the average Joe but not for many people.

Also let's hope that AMD does something similar with Zen like they did with the FX 9590 and ship it with an AIO. That was freaking cool.

That's just what you shills want us to think.

AMD is the only company to give us liquid cooling for free and its ONLY because their products are fucking housefires

Seriously, stock Intel cooler on my 4790k couldn't keep it below 100°C at stock clocks when doing anything intensive.

Intel stock coolers have been trash since Ivy Bridge I think when the quality really started to nosedive even as thermal density of the chip went up. The only decent stock coolers intel has made recently were for the LGA 2011 chips, and even then thats another $30 and it still gets shit on by a good tower cooler.

Depends on what they do with the top 8c Zen SKUs in terms of power and clocks. Keep in mind that the AIO coolers for the 9590 was required due to the whopping 220W TDP. the 8C SKUs are expected to be sub-125W.

Now, if AMD got really ballsy and decided to release a modified Opteron variant as a super-high end (12C most likely using chips that failed the cut for Optys) unlocked option, then I could see the point of a AIO cooler. I doubt it will happen though, that's a really niche market.

Is Bristol Ridge being sold to OEMs only, or just a month or two of exclusivity?