What is the legitimate non Cred Forums answer as to why tech is trying to push girls into coding so hard?

The same reason women were forced into labor. The jews want cheaper workforce

It's capitalists, the CEOs and investors, the owners of all the capital and mass media. But capitalists aren't necessarily Jews, this is where Cred Forums goes full retard. They don't care when whites are the ones doing the jewing.

The tech industry have a low female to male ratio so pushing for more females make you pass as a good guy and improve your reputation, it also devalue entry level jobs and make labor cheaper.

>admitting Jews are not white

You have come so far senpai

>having a woman isn't diverse enough, make it a muslim.

Irrelevant

This isn't a great thread.

Why programming when mining foreman, mechanical engineer, surgeon and most law fields are higher paying, more glamorous and have a lower percentage of women? This proves it's not a workforce issue, it's not a getting more money for women thing, it's not even about equality.

Think about the people behind this sort of thing, your average feminist. I won't argue all women are like this, but many women have a negative stereotype against white men in STEM. The image of the unhygienic, autistic programmer isn't Asian or black, it's a white man.

Now I'm being honest here.

The only motivation for more women and minorities in programming is to remove the white men. Yes, this sounds paranoid, but when you consider these people and how subvertly racist and sexist (against women as much as men) they are, it makes sense. If you want to understand this, understand every insult you've seen here against programmers and IT workers.

I'm sorry, but you're all wrong. This is strictly and explicitly about stereotypes feminists hold against white men in STEM. This is honestly nothing more than socially acceptable bigotry. It's not even a policy in most cases, since that dances around legality, it's literally just HR reading resumes and deciding the in and out by their first and last name

Again, this isn't implemented as formally as you or Cred Forums think it is. It's literally just HR getting away with it, if anyone asks it's just a coincidence.

Correlation and causation fallacy.

They were able to do this because wages are stagnant and because there's more people in the workforce. Making "vagina" a requirement does make it harder to hire people and does raise unemployment, but it's only for people who graduated after 2012. The only people hurt by this and that genuinely know how bad this is are under 28.

It's more like if they can't find a woman, a minority is fine too. Only white men aren't fine.

>If you want to understand this, understand every insult you've seen here against programmers and IT workers
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, user-kun, but those insults come from other programmers and IT workers.

>Why programming when mining foreman, mechanical engineer, surgeon and most law fields are higher paying, more glamorous and have a lower percentage of women?

Because they are harder (compared to learning some basic JS) and because "coding" is the hip new thing where you get rich fast.

Actually, even teenage girls are aware of those stereotypes against white male programmers, that's honestly the honest reason they don't apply for STEM after they finish high school. Girls choose careers based off of the image or implications of that career, such as being a nurse or doctor makes you seem caring, or being a teacher has whatever implications teachers have.

Everyone knows the white male programmer stereotype, I get it all the time from my friends and family who have nothing to do with STEM.

Not really.

Harder is a subjective thing, some people program really easy, some people struggle hard. My mechanical engineer friend can't program, but he can do fluid dynamics problems easily. Likewise with law, memorizing a million precedents and laws and acts isn't hard, just time consuming. Against memorizing millions of algorithms, it could even be arguably easy. This doesn't change the fact that there's little push for more women in law.

I know you want to hear other reasons, but it really does boil down to the fact that the worst stereotypes against white men honestly are programmers. There is nothing more to this: feminists are racist and sexist. That seems Cred Forums, but it's not.

This is why it won't end, it can't end until the only response to a feminist is "you're just a sexist."

Karlie Kloss, you're just a sexist bitch.

>Looks at picture
>tech trying to push women into coding
>muslim woman on the banner
>"change is"
You seriously expect a non Cred Forums answer? Also take note of the symbols used.

Have a redpill video liveleak.com/view?i=d1b_1471980039

>For some odd reason, people seem to think it's because women are told to not like it or something
When people tell you it's normal if you are bad at math because girls aren't made to be good at maths and sciences, that sports and video games are past-times for boys, that you should be cute, obedient and that you are just a little fragile thing that needs to be supported by a man, when you are a kid, you believe it, and act in accordance to that.
You can't deny environment play a big role in shaping their interests in life.
Meanwhile, there is an equal amount of people of both sexes that succeded in my CS degree.

Also this. The kind of social justice that doesn't conflict with the interests of the capitalist elite.

The real answer is people have been brainwashed with marxism. They think your identity is more important than your ability. Plus feminists are still power hungry.

Marxism != Liberal identity politics.
Read a fucking book.

* Progressivist holiness signaling spiral.
* Capitalists interested in more workers, less wages
* Actual objective of sinking natality rates
* Genuine believers in the "gender is a social construct" idea (refuse to understand men and women are just wired differently)

Probably a mixture of the former.

just a coincidence[spoiler], goy [/spoiler]

Class warfare => gender warfare, race warfare, sexual orientation/identity warfare, etc.

The details change, the essence doesn't.

If you are for order, stability, authority, hierarchy... you are a rightist.
If you are for change, revolution, rebellion, breakdown of status... you are a leftist.

Everything else is political overfitting, just like in statistics and machine learning. An overly complicated model that doesn't predict shit.

>Genuine believers in the "gender is a social construct" idea (refuse to understand men and women are just wired differently)
We have different bodies and brains, and world-class male athletes will always be better than their female counterparts, but I don't see why women would be inherently inferior when it comes to programming compared to men.
Most programmers in the 50s-60s were women, because it wasn't prestigious to be one at that time, and one of them invented the first compiler during that time.

It's like saying all types of data structure are the same, because they hold data.
Marxism is a type of leftist ideology, different from modern-day "liberalism", just like a tree is different from a linked list.

Shut the fuck up

Because our generation is enveloped by Facebook and iPhones. Mining is literally among the last things a woman would be interested in. Health particularly (nurses) and law does hold an interest in a larger portion, but it still pales in comparison to technology, which you're hard pressed to find someone NOT interested in or familiar with. And since tech happens to be male majority they have become triggered and "me too".

>We have different bodies and brains,

The brain is another organ, molded by the same kind of evolutive pressures as the rest.

> why women would be inherently inferior when it comes to programming compared to men.

I don't know about "inferior", but there can be innate different interests and proclivities (e.g. analytical vs social)

>Most programmers in the 50s-60s were women, because it wasn't prestigious to be one at that time,

Note that that meant a different thing back then, flowcharting vs coding (manual compilation).

> and one of them invented the first compiler during that time.

Sure and Noether, a woman, was one of the greatest mathematicians, in an ocean of (white) men.

Pic related is about height. Note that there are tall women and short men, but that doesn't preclude the fact that there are general, statistical differences because of sex. That's is the nature of statistical generalizations like this.

No, good technical concepts have concrete, clear definitions (because when the rubber hits the road the thing works or it doesn't), while politics is 99% bullshit. That's why having elaborate political taxonomies is a waste of time.

>Pic related is about height. Note that there are tall women and short men, but that doesn't preclude the fact that there are general, statistical differences because of sex. That's is the nature of statistical generalizations like this.
I agree, but when it comes to something like interest in technology, it becomes way harder to determine if this kind of thing comes from nature or the environment.

>it becomes way harder to determine if this kind of thing comes from nature or the environment.

They try very hard to "correct" the imbalance but reality is stubborn. You can also watch little kids and see what they do, how they play.

And it doesn't even matter. Offer equal opportunities and let everyone chose according to his/her interests and abilities. Biological sciences have lots of women, and somehow nobody complains about the lack of female plumbers (not as high-status as computers now, I guess)

>I agree, but when it comes to something like interest in technology, it becomes way harder to determine if this kind of thing comes from nature or the environment.
Complete bullshit.

Watch this before you keep embarrassing yourself:
youtube.com/watch?v=tiJVJ5QRRUE

Actually, everyone should watch the video before trying to argue about issues like this.

youtube.com/watch?v=tiJVJ5QRRUE

>answer as to why tech is trying to push girls into coding so hard

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why haven't they tried this shit on the even more lucrative world of finance? hmm

white knights let them enter

>jews let retard fembots enter their jew business
Yeah.. No.

IT is a fucking bubble. Every new startup is just a justification for Wall Street to invest cheap money they get from the central banks. Thank you QE. Now which IT startups are actually profitable? Twitter isn't. Facebook's IPO was just hilarious. Who in their right mind would value a fucking ad company at $104 bilion? It's all because of economics of course. Cheap money and NIRP/ZIRP are blowing the IT sector out of proportion.

To keep the bubble alive more people need to engange in IT. Moar women. Moar minorities.
Why? Because white men are growing old and scarce.

This. /thread

Also coding is not programming or engineering. The kind of tech jobs feminist talk about are "app dev", "web dev" and shit like that.
I'm pretty sure no one allows these people near any serious jobs.
For example work in cryptography with formal verification of both the produced algorithm and the implementation would make the head of a SJW and/or feminist explode.
They don't apply for embedded programming/embedded hardware engineering jobs either.

This shows that it's actually a fucking meme by stupid people to see more than they are.

>When people tell you it's normal if you are bad at math because girls aren't made to be good at maths and sciences, that sports and video games are past-times for boys, that you should be cute, obedient and that you are just a little fragile thing that needs to be supported by a man, when you are a kid, you believe it, and act in accordance to that.

Women are biologically different to men. Lot of women simply don't go into STEM or CS because they don't give a shit. Childhood environment might influence this, but not necessarily that much. If they aren't good at it or they don't care then they won't go there.
However this has never stopped a woman who is actually good at math/physics/programming/etc. to pursue a STEM field. None of my female STEM professors are feminists or SJWs so clearly they don't need all this bs to succeed.

>Actually, everyone should read every Judith Butler books before trying to argue about issues like this.
>Actually, everyone should watch and read the propaganda that confirm my biases and ready-made ideas before trying to argue about issues like this.
kys

It shows arguments from both sides, as well as the opinions of the top specialists in their field.

If the truth is propaganda, just becuse it convinces you of something, then yes, everyone should at least be exposed to it and form their own opinions.

I bet you didn't even watch it.

>Computer and peripheral equipment operators
What does that even mean?

bump

>Why NORMAL people want more female in tech fields:

Diversity, equality, I suppose. I personally don't care one way or the other, if the code works, the genitals of the coder matter not.

>Why FEMINISTS want more girls in code:

To destroy all male spaces. They did it with videogames, bitching about all the things that offended them. Then they destroyed Github github.com/opal/opal/issues/941. They destroyed social networks. They destroyed American universities.

Politics are bullshit in your mind because you clearly don't know shit about them, just like the majority of Cred Forums

>What is the legitimate non Cred Forums answer as to why tech is trying to push girls into coding so hard?
It's a social fad. Wait for it to pass

Here, take some Cred Forums-related pic.

At first I was wondering why the majority of jobs were male-dominated. Then I remembered that the rest of the women were in the household.

>Diversity, equality, I suppose. I personally don't care one way or the other, if the code works, the genitals of the coder matter not.
Wow you problematic bigoted shitlord, are you trying to say your gender is determined by your genitals?

You're on the right track.

so lonely nu-males that spend all day on reddit can meet girls without effort in their comp sci class at college

Did anyone actually try this? Its such a joke, its Google wants you to write propaganda.

OK sorry even if you take the Cred Forums out its really lame. I did everything step by step and can't recall getting any knowledge of coding out of it. I think there is literally no way without having a elementary school teacher there someone is going to really understand what concepts are being taught, you can of course know about Cascading and I can actually kinda imagine what is going on based on previous knowledge of HTML and CSS but its really not teaching me about code. Its like some really weak Museum of Coding History application you are meant to do in 5 minutes with your 7 year old.

Google is the most disappointing company since that one I named after my son. They just are basically a bunch of lazy hippie cocksuckers who just dream all day and advance "social justice" with their embarrassing level of money they make for what they accomplish.

I am actually more friendly toward Apple and hope Google Androids die, fuck them all.

OK I guess I ended Cred Forums and edgy too. I just think if you are going to have some disgusting number like hundreds of billions of dollars, you can afford to put Treehouse out of business, lets really teach people to web dev, FOR FREE.

One thing I will say, I DID find Change Is to be an interesting thought experiment, could you just take all the HTML/CSS and condense it into graphical blocks that are editable? That way even a third worlder could do website coding for pennies on the dollar and do wonder if Google is seriously considering this.

Honestly this. Women think men are stopping them from thriving in the industry, like every other field that employs more men than women. It's not a conspiracy, or a secret club, women just haven't really been interested in technology for the most part. Modern feminism, and 'nerd' culture have both actually led to the sudden surge of girls trying to get in the tech field. I would argue they still probably don't care, but society has told them they can and have to, or else they're a bad woman. It's kind of ironic when you think about it.

Of course, Cred Forums and /r9k/ will tell you the Jews are involved and that all women are vapid, status seeking whores.

>What is the legitimate non Cred Forums answer as to why tech is trying to push girls into coding so hard?
Because more coders = less pay for coders, less ability to unionize effectively, less ability to negotiate for higher pay and promotions.

Remember, if they can replace you with a girl and pay her 75% of your salary, they have no reason to respond to your intent to leave the company with a proper promotion.

post your creations

>like every other field that employs more men than women.

Feminists don't give a shit about electricians or auto mechanics, and didn't care about computers until it become the big high-status industry is today.

> take note of the symbols used
> is
Holy shit they're invading our code now

>>For some odd reason, people seem to think it's because women are told to not like it or something
>When people tell you it's normal if you are bad at math because girls aren't made to be good at maths and sciences, that sports and video games are past-times for boys, that you should be cute, obedient and that you are just a little fragile thing that needs to be supported by a man, when you are a kid, you believe it, and act in accordance to that.
>You can't deny environment play a big role in shaping their interests in life.
Oh boy, Don't I have the documentary for you!

youtube.com/watch?v=cVaTc15plVs

IT Wrench monkey for factories and like

Trade skills are growing increasingly popular as there is almost always a high demand for those jobs. Most of them involve a lot of physical labor, which is why women don't bitch about them. Most women don't want to do that kind of work, they don't want to be sore and they don't want to get dirty.

I won't argue that the tech industry isn't 'in' these days, it definitely is. But women are only attracted to it because they want to compete with men. These are all broad generalizations. There are girls that love technology, I've even witnessed some girls working pretty physically demanding jobs and they love it. But those are exceptions, not the norm.

Theyre under the impression the workforce is filled with greedy white men with bad programming habits and are using it to run the world and push conservative rhetoric. In reality, the white men who run the show don't code, their Indian (often women) workers do, and they almost always throw out pro social justice stuff when they get a chance, see youtube post independance.

What they also miss is that a large amount of the underground programming scene has women, non whites and liberals everywhere. Most of us in this scene dont care to discuss politics or race bait, we dont see that as relevant to programming, thus drawing me back to feminists. They see the world through skin colour and "gender", and at any chance they get will invade, attempt to race bait, embarrass themselves, and leave. This is another attempt.

I want tech to be OUT again.

But it looks like it's hopeless.

If you want an answer from someone who doesn't think it's a giant conspiracy against white men, companies like google and facebook are primarily aware of gender discrepancies within their own areas of expertise / professional experience, usually programming.

Since they also have huge online platforms and want to seem progressive, this is the most sensible cause to push for.

It's also just economically sensible, any industry women ought to be able to compete in equally well with men, but do not, is an industry that's missing out on a valuable portion of the potential workforce.

Because of the wage gap. By hiring women of similar quality to previous male employees they can save almost 23% on staff wages.

I've been down that track, I don't like it. It assumes too much agency and organisation, but to relate that theme (depopulation) to this thread.

I'd like to set some common grounds first
>men really like STEM, it's rewarding because you feel you can contribute to society
>most women won't date down, which to them means no one less successful than them
>unemployment, especially youth unemployment, is skyrocketing and a serious isssue

So the result is there are all these young men (for the moment, forget gen X and older, they already have jobs and the networking connections to ensure they don't stay unemployed for long) who actually have STEM degrees but are denied jobs, becauses we need more women.

In place of them, there are all these young women who now out earn men theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/29/women-in-20s-earn-more-men-same-age-study-finds?0p19G=c but aren't content or happy because they just won't date down.

So there's employed women and unemployed men.

Next, we have the "man drought crisis," which I won't even Google for articles because they're so stupid and so numerous, especially in Australia and Canada which are the most leftist countries that speak English. The natural result is depopulation and women reaching menopause or close to it (causing illnesses like autism and downs syndrome) before having children.

Why I find this unbelievable is because those same feminists or globalists will claim our aging populations (in Japan, Australia, Canada, Britain and Sweden) necessitates more migrants. So which is it? Over population or under population? Neither. Only Africa and Asia are overpopulated and they're suffering the consequences via famine or disease.

Furthermore, I believe it's more likely this scenario was set up by feminists with the expectations that women stop equating career/money with worthiness of a person for a prospective life partner. Obviously this didn't happen and instead we have tanking fertility rates.

>CS jobs will be the highest-paying sectors over the next decade, paying almost $15K more than average

so, yeah, that's their reasoning.

>unironically believing in the wage gap myth

>man drought
That's a statistical thing caused by several factors, including men usually dating younger women and men having shorter life expectancy than women. The ratio of male/female singles reverses in the early 30s.

>tanking fertility rates
Australia is actually doing almost okay by that metric. Nothing like the population implosion levels being reached by countries in eastern Europe. It is definitely a seriously problem though.

A gender discrepancy in itself isn't necessarily a problem and women don't compete equally to men, they're preferred. The only implication or point you made that's correct is that unequal competition isn't economically sensible, except that the missing valuable portion of the potential workforce aren't women: they're white men that just aren't good enough to be justified over a diversity hire.. someone likely less qualified.

>from someone who doesn't think it's a giant conspiracy
This doesn't strengthen your case, it's just a weak attack against the posters here who did a decent job proving it actually is.

The women in CS/IT want to compete equally, that way they can feel proud when they beat a man to the job. The feminists with nothing to do with CS/IT do not, they want women to always and consistently beat men to the job.

This is considered morally correct in their eyes.

Then why don't they care about law, surgery or virtually any other engineering discipline? Why is it just programming? The answer is: This is where we simply have to accept the obvious: feminists simply hate men with unattractive stereotypes that aren't even true. CS/IT men stay fit because they know spending that much time stagnant isn't healthy. They become "brogrammers."

>That's a statistical thing caused by several factors, .... The ratio of male/female singles reverses in the early 30s.
What makes you wrong is how recent this phenomenon is.

>Australia is actually doing almost okay by that metric.
Australia is where most of those man drought articles come from, because you're right the statistics don't reflect the experiences. There are so many single Australian women in their 30s because they only want men more successful than they are.

And this reversal in the 30s is simply because gen X don't experience diverse hiring, only junior positions do. It's only new graduates who'll never be as successful as women their own age.

See Why do only Silicon Valley companies do this?

Why are liberals only pushing for women in an already saturated field (that's constantly getting worse even just because of third-worlders learning to code and coming to first world countries)?

Why aren't they pushing for more women in more lucrative or needed fields that are more male-dominated than programming?

Let's not equate women and feminists, now. We're better than that. Unlike feminists, we're not sexist.

Women aren't dissuaded from a field just because it has more than 50% males in it. Men aren't dissuaded from a field just because it has more than 50% females in it. If they want to work in that field, they'll work in that field. Damn everything else. If the percentage is what dissuades them, they never actually wanted to work there.

Social Justice is a meme

The vast majority of people are "meh" about Social Justice and really any other cause. But Like to see "A company actively trying to help the underprivileged".

The Cred Forums type of people is actually a small minority relatively it's mainly just showing it's head because of the election year and the media stirring up sensationalist BS like BLM.

basically it's media hype.

Social justice is a cancer on society. We're seeing a big push for it because most people are kind of meh about it. It sounds good and without thinking about it, most people are mostly on board with it "You believe in equality?" (Most rational people say yes) "then you're a feminist!" (Huh, I can get on board with that I guess)

The problem is that they clothe themselves in good deeds (equality, stopping rape and the wage gap which is a huge epidemic despite statistical data showing otherwise shhh) in order to spread fear (patriarcy, internalized misogyny) and control (dilution of language, policing of it) and make everybody who disagrees with them out to be some kind of uncivilized savage.

>Social justice is a cancer on society
yes but it all really trails to the rabbit hole of extremism. If you were to ask "normie" feminist chicks if all men are guaranteed rapists most of them would disagree. "Patriarchy" is also an easy boogeyman meme for fat chicks who don't want to think like Cred Forums has "The Jews". People don't like to take responsibility for their actions they like to blame it on "systemic oppression". when in actuality these people are just fat and unmotivated to make subjective change to see happiness.

feminism and SJW is the easy way out of taking responsibility in finding happiness by blaming misery on other people. This convenience attracts the untrained mind.

The problem is that these people are very vocal and politically active. They're infecting not only cultures with their bullshit, but affecting real political outcomes. I'm liberal myself, and I find myself agreeing pretty whole heartedly with the right on this issue. It's an ideology our young people are being indoctrinated into and these people are going to be in positions of real power. I fear for our future if this continues on it's course. Its quite possible the extreme right may also gain traction in response as well.

>code for equality
>girl with a hijab right above it

My fucking sides

Not all women are crazy feminists, but in the western world, most young females are at least in part influenced by feminism and liberalism in general, thanks to media, pop culture, etc.

So maybe the fully crazy ones like Anita are rare, but most still believe at least some of the basic feminist (the modern kind) concepts and ideas

Everything is extremism until it becomes widely adopted and a few decades later it's not extremism anymore (and actually what was the normality before becomes extremism now).

ATM we have basically all the media that's consumed by young people, the academic world, and even some governments, that are actively pushing for a change in that direction.

It's a very significant force in our society and dismissing it as a small uninfluential group of extremists is simply stupid.

Because of those dirty skypes

the net effect of this is productivity loss and offshoring of technology jobs

coincidentally the only growth industry in the US outside of oil, which the same people are also coming after hard

>What is the legitimate non Cred Forums answer as to why tech is trying to push girls into coding so hard?

Legitimately? It's a push by social activists to get more females into STEM fields, and somehow Programming came up as the field they believed women should be more invested in. Not computer hardware, systems installations/integration, networking, databases, systems administration, electrical engineering, electrical design, drafting, chemistry, biology, and any other STEM field. No, somehow Programming got targeted because "computers are the future!" and naturally only coders matter in the future of PCs.

It's like a mom throwing her kid a Birthday Party with Pokemon stuff because Pokemon is popular then. Or someone's grandpa buying them an R/C quad-copter because "I heard about them drones on the TV". Or someone's SO buying them a generic anime poster because they saw them watching Dragon Ball Z. They meant well. The intention originally was to open up doors and show girls and women that they don't need to be pigeonholed into certain careers or paths in life just because of their gender. However, initiatives to "welcome more women into tech" didn't go as planned in the early 2000's, when the programs did nothing as women just weren't interested in tech, so the push became less about welcoming women into tech, and building an interest in Tech. Which also failed, so now it's "Empower women in Tech!" which is now leading to people of questionable skill levels and abilities being put into positions they aren't qualified to handle at that point, for the sake of "demonstrating what women can do in tech!"

>leading to people of questionable skill levels and abilities being put into positions they aren't qualified to handle
Or in other words, increased inequality, sexism, and general discrimination. :^)

Because there this trend among SJW to "fight for a cause". Instead of fighting for women's right in Raqqa, "womyn and transexuals revenge against evil men" is a easier cause to militate for.

Because these people are dumb and will either buy in mass or boycott in mass, hiring some of them in meme fields (webdesign and so on) was an easyway to have them spend money and shill for your stuff while shitting on the "less progressive" concurrent.

The thing is that SJW are cancer and like cancer, it keeps multiplying, refuse to die and eventually metastases.

Bump.

marxist jews honestly believe the egalitarian meme , they will destroy civilization yet again in an attempt to prove only nurture impacts human ability not nature. It's ridiculous that even after we discovered DNA - (which vindicated Hitler's beliefs about blood) the jews are still anti-science anti-nature

... and they way they try to prove themselves right is mushing all the races and sexes together then giving the under-performers advantages like affirmative action quotas to compensate for supposed "privilege"

they think the female brain is identical to the males and it is only an accident of unfair environment that black women didn't win the space race

What are all of the meme fields?

if the discovery that they have genetically higher IQs due to being chosen by God vindicated hitler then yeah

>/thread
>Also

Diversity. If your team doesn't have a muslim, black guy and a independent strong feminist woman you're racist.