How does this make you guys feel?

How does this make you guys feel?.

On the Yoga 900S and 710S, Lenovo deployed a proprietary soft-RAID setup that cannot be recognized by Linux installers.

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Hopefully they will do this on their Chickpad line so we can end the Chinkpad threads.

>buying Lenovo products from this decade

Lenovo is turning out to be a real cancer, Packard Bell of the 2010s, perhaps.

It's a matter of the time the cancer that is plaguing the Lenovo consumer line will metastasize into ThinkPads.

Windows has Linux. Why would you want to install a broken distro when you already have the only one that matters?

This

Why would I run Linux in Windows if I can accomplish everything with just Linux?

Embrace
Extend
Extinguish

People on Cred Forums use older thinkpads anyways, so it's a matter of time before they become so outdated that they'll become unusable.

>tfw no T420

Lenovo needs to learn not to fuck around with the internet.

Ill upload the source of a tool that will unlock bios in a few days. +raid drivers ,

gg lenovo . SEP 25th 2016 --

As filthy as interracial relationships. Keep the negrosoft away from linux.

>that cannot be recognized by Linux installers.+ 0 post omitted.

It can't be recognised by the Windows installer either, retard.

I don't understand this, you can literally just use Windows? Why would you use Linux now that Windows can emulate Linux?

let's just kill off linax trash

nice one we r legun we do not 4give

Why would you run Windows when Linux works better and can run Windows in a VM?

Why would you run Linux at all?

It works better than windows and doesn't datamine it's users.

>It works better than windows
LOL stop lying on the internet kid. Everyone knows that Linux doesn't even work half the time, and the off-chance it actually boots you spend all your time trying to get a Windows application to run in Wine or run in a Windows VM anyway.

>doesn't datamine it's users.
What if I told you that 80% of the networking subsystem developers are all working for Google.

>Everyone knows that Linux doesn't even work half the time, and the off-chance it actually boots you spend all your time trying to get a Windows application to run in Wine or run in a Windows VM anyway.
Not him, but once you get it working (not that hard, just don't buy weird or edgy hardware) it will work flawlessly until the end of times without slowdowns or breakages (unless you fuck it up).

>What if I told you that 80% of the networking subsystem developers are all working for Google.
And? I don't care, all the development and sources are public. There would have been dramas all over the place if they introduced anything suspicious.

Well meme'd pajeet. Linux works out of the box, unlike bloatdows. And you actually have a ton more control over your PC.

>install windows
>have to install graphics drivers
>every device has to install separate drivers to work
>certain devices have to even install some shitware to work
>plug in ethernet cable
>please connect to Internet to download drivers so you can connect to Internet using ethernet cable
>hurr windows just works unlike linux

>install Linux
>everything works flawlessly

You're either a tech illiterate, kid who fell for the gentoo meme, kid who fell for the "Linux is a haxxor OS" meme, or a shill. Obviously you'll have difficulty using Windows exclusive software, but that's like saying Android sucks because it can't run iOS exclusive apps, or vice versa.

Have you ever actually used Linux? It's so far ahead of Windows it's not even funny

...

Linux is in Windows, and VMs are cancer

>It's so far ahead of Windows

nah

>once you get it working (not that hard, just don't buy weird or edgy hardware) it will work flawlessly until the end of times without slowdowns or breakages (unless you fuck it up).

Same can be said for windows. That said, most FOSS software is garbage

And yet all of you only run Linux to run Windows in a VM

How ironic.

>Have you ever actually used Linux? It's so far ahead of Windows it's not even funny
Yes I had, and no. It's fucking useless as a desktop or OS.

>Same can be said for windows. That said, most FOSS software is garbage
No way. I dual boot a windows 7 partition and arch. Windows 7 is getting slower and slower every day while arch is just fine (and I barely boot windows, just for regular updates).

As I said, I simply dualboot windows for some vydia (just a few games when I get some free time).

>this is what Cred Forumseddit actually believes

>dual boot

Actually I don't. Why would I run Windows when everything I need is on Linux?

plebs b plebbin' bro

>dual boot
Just use Windows you fucking fag. It runs Linux software noe.

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>works better then Windows
Bro you should be banned for shit posting.

>he doesnt gayme
Pleb

And what the fuck makes you think I run Windows in a VM? Literally every program I use runs better on Linux than on Windows.

>Literally every program I use runs better on Linux than on Windows.
That's a lie and you know it.

>he thinks linux doesn't have games
>being this underage and stupid

Other than solitary, retard.

>solitary
:^)

>Linux lacks drivers for Lenovo's latest devices
>somehow this is Microsoft's fault

tfw W520

keked

Freetards can't help but be triggered and shitter shattered by every single post
I wonder what their tumblr looks like

I'm on a T400 using FreeBSD.

Not even close to being obsolete.

According to Lenovo, they are in agreement with MS to not release the drivers.

Not even other versions of Windows can boot.

I don't see what is wrong with this. It is their hardware, they have all right to do this. If you don't like it, buy other hardware.

Imagine people becoming at some car brand because it can't drive faster than x miles per hour. Then buy a better car.

What's the big deal?

>Not even other versions of Windows can boot.

Good, now compare the histrionic reaction of Linux users to users of previous versions of Windows's reaction.

I guess the problem is this could just be the start, what's stopping other laptop companys from doing the same. It's just making linux even less approachable for people.

So? Then have Linux make its own hardware. I don't see any issue here at all. Microsoft is clearly paying hardware vendors for perfect support, why shouldn't Linux? Being able to run Linux is a privilege, not a right. You have no reason to be such a baby about it. If you don't like Microsoft sponsored hardware, go home or bring your own.

>Being able to run Linux is a privilege, not a right.
Freedom is a right

Then go complain to your car supplier why you can't drive harder than X. It should be your freedom to drive harder, why don't they give you the tools? Linux users are literal communists and want everyone they want to be handed to them on a silver platter. Work for what you want and stop crying.

this board has turned to shit

everyone is just posting "no u xD" over and over mindlessly defending whatever os they installed or hardware they bought or phone they have

literally for what purpose

>don't give you the tools
Nah, this is more like preventing you from getting the tools. I cannot believe how propriecucks are actually getting defensive over a lack of choice.

iCucks, for example, have always defended it on this board. Just ignore the retards. It's pointless to argue with pajeets.

No one is forcing you to buy Lenovo.

> have win7 installed on separate partition
> only boot once every tree months for video editing
> boot win7 last week
> computer hangs with some 'windows.exe not found' error
> into the trash it goes, boot back into mint and manually edit videos by splitting raw video files byte by byte
> profit

What is emacs/vim
What is gparted
What is ssh

Windows has better software. Linux is focused for servers and the market share talks. Maybe Linux works fine for you but not for me, bug with the video card. Also I'm a photographer and there's no Faststone, Irfanview and Photoshop on Linux. Wine is shit. I want to use my computer not trying to find alternatives and research fixes all day for my video card.

>emacs/vim
Outdated dogshit.
>gparted
Something you don't need because you got diskmgmt.msc.
>ssh
Something you don't need because you got RDP.

>>ssh
>Something you don't need because you got RDP.

Absolute retard alert

there is xnview

So? Don't buy them and tell other people to not buy them.
These companies only understand green.

>ssh
Something you don't need because you got RDP.

This is bait right?

I didn't believe Cred Forums had become 90% Microsoft and Apple shills but now I do

There are timeless, iconic tools and those don't go anywhere.

Good luck Rajesh.

>What is gparted
Don't be crazy.
>fdisk; cdisk; parted
For all the family.

Lenovo just lost a bunch of customers.

How does this make THEM feel?

it makes me feel that you've earned this

currently using knoppix inside a windows 8.1 pro hyperv session, with an esata/usb powered drive passed through to the virtual machine, in order to rsync some data on btrfs partitions to a server from my desktop.

I'd say I'm ok with microsoft loving linux. I don't have to love microsoft.

youtube.com/watch?v=WRWrmT0ovPE

TFW in 2020 you will see everybody using 2nd hand XPS on lunix threads.

I would never go with microsoft to begin with nor would care. I couldnt back a company that employs only 5% of a group that makes up 22% of the population (unoffical estimates based on genealogical records puts this group at around 33+%of the population incl illegal immigration). And hires even less of a group that makes up around 15% of the population. Yet 30% of their employment comes from groups that dont even make 3% of the population.

>gaymen

>Then have Linux make its own hardware
Linux is not a company.
This is like saying that if you want to use a program you downloaded from the internet they should make specialised hardware for it

Oh god I just saw the future
Apps in the future will be devices

>Linux is not a company
Of course not. See If it was good, it would be.

youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U

This retard was in the right place in the right time. Without Gates he would be just a noname car seller.
You argument is shit anyway.

>Outdated dogshit.
Emacs got 25.1 release last saturday
>Something you don't need because you got diskmgmt.msc.
They're not even comparable. Gparted is so much better in every way.
>Something you don't need because you got RDP.
Do you honestly think those things are comparable?

Get the fuck out microshill.

Yeah but winfags cry every time they see a bash/zsh/fish/etc prompt

Good.

MFW Cred Forums is 24/7 shitposting
MFW Cred Forums is more shit then Cred Forums
MFW Cred Forums has civil discussion that is constructive while Cred Forums is cancer incarnate from ultra mega over hyper fan boys shiting all over the place

Well off to Cred Forums to get some advice about hardware, and philosophy.

>buying a device
>its still the device of the manufacturer

Hahaha i guess you have a iphone

based lenovo protecting their customers from inferior OS :^)

>Oh god I just saw the future
>Apps in the future will be devices

I'm actually fine with this.
If the government forces companies to inter operate between hardware its a batter future.

After all the fax machine/copy machine golden age was a miracle of interactivity you did not get this shit
>Buy MS paper
> its the new MS 2016 paper not the 2015 MS paper
>You can not use it on your MS copy machine from 2014
>Can not switch to apple copy machine since all of your documents are in MS 2000 paper not apple paper
>MS 2015 paper not produced any longer by MS
>No one is selling it do to copyright/patents/bulshit

>weep inside
>rage on Cred Forums

BTW how hard is it to reverse engineer a physical signal.

Apparently it's Lenovos and Intels fault

user please do not make any more posts in Cred Forums. This is a locked bootloader issue, not driver issue.

Windows is cancer, Pajeet. Kys

I hope you realize everything apple ever made was inferior and overpriced shit they stole form talented people.

Apple made terrible decisions and popularized enslaving us all. Jobs was a monster who needed to die I was so happy he died.

youtube.com/watch?v=PJu9UkokzkY

I hate MS however the man is right no sane individual will ever pay or want this apple crap.
The only thing he did not know was that Jobs has a cult of personality and his bitter faggots will absolutely buy everything he tells them to buy.

And you have a unholy alliance of media people telling normies how innovative iShit is so more cultists are born.

You can see this now after Steve THE CANCER ON THE WORLD Jobs died do to cancer(poetic justice) no one is buying iCrap from apple.

>Every app is a peace of hardware like in the good old days
>Every device has to worry only about its own drivers on 1 computer that is 100% known
>BOSS: Why are we paying for MS Windows?
>Linux is installed on every device by the manufacturer for not costing money
>See every router or hardware peace ever
>Year of linux

You realize why Windows dominates the PC?
its because TEH PC is not one computer its hundreds of different peaces of hardware interoperating with one another. Back in the good old days you did have one computer form one manufacturer and the hardware was the same. Every manufacturer made their own hardware like yo uhave XboX and PlayStarion so if you say
>This distro will work 100% on Xbox 360
It will work and you don't have the crap of
>See computer parts
>search online if there are drivers for linux
>Make more recherche

This is why linux is awesome on the raspberry Pi you have one hardware not thousands of different parts.
This is why no one can go after MS you need insane manpower/money to code for all the drivers.

This is why PC is doomed for linux.

Did you even try to spell anything correctly there?

>Did you even try to spell anything correctly there?
NO.
Learn2 Cred Forums

tfw w520, w530, and x220t

>On the Yoga 900S and 710S, Lenovo deployed a proprietary soft-RAID setup that cannot be recognized by Linux installers.
They also patched out the BIOS option where you would normally be able to disable it and use regular AHCI mode

Their shitty “soft-RAID” is also used for a single disk only in that laptop, and has absolutely no measurable performance differences over AHCI mode.

The only way to get an OS running on them at all is by using their custom (bloated) version of windows 10 which includes lenovo crapware. Vanilla installs don't work, linux doesn't work, windows 7/8 doesn't work

You can't even install Windows on said laptops. You can only install Lenovo's prepackaged malware distro.

>Imagine people becoming at some car brand because it can't drive faster than x miles per hour. Then buy a better car.
That's an absolutely terrible fucking analogy. It has nothing to do with performance.

>What's the big deal?
The big deal is that:

1. They deliberately and artificially prevented their laptops from being used with anything other than their pre-packaged Windows 10 install that comes with Lenovo malware included.

2. There was no technical justification for this restriction. They don't make the BIOS, they took the BIOS that somebody else made and deliberately added a jump instruction to prevent you from being able to disable the soft-RAID mode in the BIOS.

3. They responded to customer complaints by locking the forum threads, deleting posts, banning users and threatening to make their support forums moderated-only.

The outrage seems to be mostly focused around the terrible way lenovo handled the issue (essentially telling people to go fuck off and threatening violent action if they continue), as well as the whole thing being a dick move from the get go.

Also, there's already an experimental Linux driver to support said soft-RAID mode, so you could still use Linux on it if you're dedicated enough. (But good luck trying to use Windows if you don't want to use lenovo's bloat install)

>I don't see what is wrong with this. It is their hardware, they have all right to do this. If you don't like it, buy other hardware.
>Imagine people becoming at some car brand because it can't drive faster than x miles per hour. Then buy a better car.
>What's the big deal?

Your analogy fails try this

>Buy ford car
>its OK
>You drive home until a message pops up
>This road is only for VW cars
>Park miles away from home and walk home.
>Get pissed and rage online
>Retarded libertarian responds "herp derp free market herp derpe their roads they can do whatever they like"

Or try this:

>Buy toaster
>Go home
>After toaster is plugged in its not working
>Realize that the toaster is only for MS electricity homes
>Your home is on apple electricity
>Get pissed

Amen
The first time I ever heard about libertarians my first thought was
>these people are the worst retards imaginable

And they did not disappoint they practically worship big companies and want them to fuck them even hoarded. Waiting for the magic of the free market to create their utopia while they get ass raped with thorns.

Meanwhile they shut down everyone who even starts criticizing big companies where we and most of these libertarian (not counting the 1% who are millionaires LARPING online) are getting crapped upon.

Its like the little guys and consumers are not allowed to criticize anything a corporation makes.

>RAID in a laptop

Why? Isn't M.2 fast enough for Lenhobo?

No, they're not true M.2/NVMe SSDs. It's an AHCI SSD in disguise. The “RAID” mode is supposed to offer NVMe-like capabilities but there's no significant measurable performance difference.

It was never useful before, and nobody understands why lenovo chose to patch the option out of the BIOS and force it to be enabled. The only reasonable conclusion is that they wanted to prevent you from installing your own OS on it.

>you already have winblows meme
Pa/g/eet at it again!

I know I mean, even having an M.2 slot in a machine like a laptop. Even a standard 850 EVO will not get bottlenecked by any task. This is literally just a measure to prevent Loonix installs. Lets see if they're insane enough to push this into the ThinkPad line. They may be, as business machines they're company devices which are only meant to run Windows anyway.

>tfw neo Cred Forums calls GNU by its kernel's name
>tfw summer is over so there's no excuse for this
I'll just an hero, I guess.

Please do, we need less of you fucking autists

>>tfw neo Cred Forums calls GNU by its kernel's name
I can say posix however most of you GNU/Linux and BSD/Unix normies will not know what posix is.

Or even understand that its not GNU+ Linux its Posix implemented on the linux kernel and the GNU tool set.

>This is literally just a measure to prevent Loonix installs.
And Windows 7/8/10, which everybody seems to be forgetting.

Forgot about that one indeed. Fuck. I'm running 8.1 which seems to be decent enough, its in line with Microsoft's good/shit tick tock releases.

Serious question why are all the GNU/ FSF/FOSS people not promoting a hardware company that puts laptops/computer that are good for them?

Non of this not giving drivers crap.
Or insane lock-in schemes.

Why?

there is no such a line for g

Today I got a call from "microsoft". "I've got really bad malware and hackers are constantly attacking my computer."
If I don't cooperate, they will turn my computer off.

I told them, that i will use linux then.

They said linux is a nice and good system.. but it doesn't solve anything.

(they wanted me to install remote access software, and "eventuelly" charge me for their "service")

>RDP is better than ssh
>Emacs/vim is outdated

hmmm

Because the Windows implementation of Linux is so broken that half the commands don't even work.

Because the problem is much deeper.

openbsd.org/papers/brhard2007/

i just bought a t420 with the nvs4200m, i5 2520
256 micro ssd + 500gb hdd
9cell battery

and the good dock

for $310 shipped

the fuck is your excuse for not having one

This is why MS want's ssh port and Mark Russinovich is an emacs user.

>openbsd.org/papers/brhard2007/
Why is this paper written in crayon??!!!
Why are the pages .JPGs?
Why is this paper written like a retarded power point slide show?

Oh I see they did not have a way of getting graphics into their presentation do to no GNU/FOSS software to make them so they made the whole presentation JPG images.

Typical freetard solution.

>consumer line of laptops from Lenovo is shit
And nothing of value was lost.

And they also had a press release stating that it was a mistake and AHCI mode option will be reinstated in a BIOS update.

Babbies first OpenBSD presentation.

All OpenBSD presentations are made in this Comic Sans style on purpose so they can ignore all the retards that just complain about the Comic Sans font instead of actually reading the content.

openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan14-libressl/mgp00025.html

user moose iz leejun donut 4give donti fo4get

I did not even say one word about Comic Sans.
Why is this in JPGs and not HTML?
This is the question.

They have just joined sony on my boycott list.

No real person would suck this much corporate cock. Why are MS shills penetrating Cred Forums so hard today?