Encryptards pls leave

>there are people on this board right now who actually believe unironically that terrorists and child pornographers should have access to strong encryption to hide their tracks from law enforcement

How much do ISIS and NAMBLA pay you to shill for them?

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it's a necessary evil. if criminals arent using it, then what is it worth?

how much u getting paid 4 this???

You tell me, paid NAMBLA shill.

pol idiocy at its finest!

I prefer freedom of the masses to order of the few.

Is it even possible to "unlock" it? I was under the impression that the private key is in itself encrypted with password hashing.

I guess what they mean was allow the government to have a version of the OS that allows for brute forcing.

also sage

wtf I hate privacy now

its not that they should have access to strong encryption its the fact that if the 3 letter agencys have some master key for the iphones anyone who hacks the 3 letter agencys can also get the master key and those hackers could work for russia or iran.

>pol
>not Cred Forums

newfag spotted

This thread again

A warrant to enter one house != a key to access all devices

Cred Forums defends Drumpf, and he wants to ban encryption.

>there are people on this board right now who actually believe unironically that terrorists and psychos should have access to assault weapons

How much do ISIS and the NRA pay you to shill for them?

>implying Hillary doesn't have the same stance for the right price

You do realize that most people on Cred Forums are not dumb Americans and aren't affected by that pseudo-argument, right?

>giving a shit about any of that shit

/r/Cred Forums spotted

it wouldnt be just one device. they want apple to create a back door for certain iphones.

What's /r/Cred Forums? I googled it comes back with reddit. lmao are you a fucking redditor?

He wants to ban non-government encryption.

Hillary wants to ban everything electronic, especially encrypted email servers

XD LOL

I fully support banning encryption for non government use. It'll fully stop the pedos and durkas and animefags from breaking the law.

Except for the mailserver in the bathroom amirite?

>XD
get out

if you support this then you must also support abolishing the second amendment for non government use.

So you also want to abolish e-commerce and banking?

I've submitted myself to corporations since I prefer having free services and having them know I swim to shelling out a quarter for every search. That said, the government should not be able to force and enforce a breach of privacy. I use botnet services out of my own volition, but I can't choose not to be spied on by the NSA. The government is supposed to work for the people and protect their rights, not directly go against them.

no, you don't fit in yet

That's why you get a permit, dumbfuck.

There are over 7 billion people (debatable term 'people') on this God forsaken planet. A few people suffering due to few 'bad' people is a necessary evil. Like one person once said. I would defend one bad guy for a million peoples right to privacy and fair justice.

Yeah, maybe not in neo-Cred Forums

>using cancer memes

see ya!

You don't know what the second amendment is about, kid.

huffingtonpost.com/d-robert-worley/judicial-activism-and-the_b_2412471.html

>boo hoo hoo muh pedos
>boo hoo muh cp
Not even a pedo but it's a victimless crime
*user enters the NSA watchlist*

Look. I NEED Encryption to keep my personal files safe if my machine is stolen. End of conversation. I also need it for privacy reasons.

Do you want your ISP to see what you're doing?
Do you want the NSA to be able to read your emails?
Fuck the surveliance state.

I don't know why i type these. You Cred Forums natinolists will just come here to post sixty more threads and instead of debating you'll throw insults around lile cuck, pedo, degenrate, shill, "you get payed" etc etc.

McFucking kill yourselves

You do realize you use many forms of encryption in everyday life?

>this strawman again
No one's suggesting we not encrypt anything, just that we use cryptography with openings towards law enforcement. This is nothing but common sense.

You are still going to be able to encrypt your machine to protect it and be private. The backdoors are only going to be used with a warrant.

Damn, NSA's not even trying to be subtle anymore.

Holy shit, encryptards are dumb. You're still gonna have encryption, you nimrod, except there are gonna be asymmetric backdoors to catch terrorists. Unless you're a criminal, this won't affect you at all.

There is no reason for there to be a backdoor. If there is a backdoor and LEO gets fucked, all my shit is fucked. I want to keep my security and OPSEC in my hands and not in LEO

If my government can access my files via backdoors it's possible for others to do so as well.

Not if it's an asymmetric backdoor. Inform yourself before being opinionated.

If there is a backdoor it's insecure, end of story.

Does NAMBLA actually have money to pay people to shill online? ISIS probably does, but I doubt supporting encryption is really their main concern.

Pic related is you right now.

What's physically stopping terrorists from encrypting though?

Nope. If anyone can access my files but myself, my files are not secure. This is undeniable fact, there is no debate, just stop posting.

No one will have access to non-backdoored encryption, but even if they manage to get access, just using it will be a crime by itself and we will have grounds to arrest them just because of that.

There's no point in this because people will just continue to use non-backdoor encryption and not give a fuck what the government says. If anything they're just making it harder for themselves to catch 'bad guys'

>No one will have access to non-backdoored encryption

Just what are you planning to do, ban internet and burn all books discussing cryptography?

>anyone
You keep repeating this fallacy.

1. It's not gonna be anyone, only the authorities.
2. They can only do it if they have a warrant.

It's like you are complaining that if anyone can go inside your home then it's not really your home, but the government already can go inside your home if they have a warrant.

This has been established to not hurt security/privacy, it's undeniable fact, there is no debate, just stop posting.

>giving criminals another law to break means they'll stop being criminals
You're as retarded as the people who think making guns illegal will stop criminals from using them.

>This has been established to irreversibly ruin security, it's undeniable fact, there is no debate, just stop posting

FTFY

You are a complete fucking moron. What I'm saying is if any person, INCLUDING THE AUTHORITIES, can access my files, they're insecure. And again, if the authorities are capable of accessing my files, then others are too. I'll stick with nobody but me having access.

Stop pretending this is impossible, this has already been done. We already have strong restrictions on the exporting of encryption products, and in the past this used to be enforced: publishing encryption algorithms online was illegal. You're obviously too young to remember this.

>if I meme harder, maybe I will be right

So if something is illegal it just doesn't happen? I guess no-one pirates anything ever, then.

And just because something is illegal in the US doesn't mean jackshit for the sane parts of the world.

We want to put them in jail. Non-backdoored encryption is going to be illegal, if they use it they'll be taken away anyway. So we win.

...

>What are asymmetric backdoors?

Try reading the rest of the post, friend

It's like you can't into cryptography.

Asymmetric backdoors still have vulnerabilities and are still susceptible to attack. maybe not one as traditional but the private key can still be recovered.

and so what? you act like they need a reason anymore to issue a warrant. Cops can literally print warrants in the spot if they wanna search your vehicle. you act like this extra bit of transparency would be good. it won't.

But then you would still have to prove that the data is encrypted in the first place. Isn't that pretty much impossible?

Ban warrants altogether then. Law enforcement can't go into your house unless you let them. The police cannot investigate shit. Otherwise they will abuse it.

>you have to learn that "abusus non tollit usum", kid

Potential for unwarranted access. Considering I don't even want the people for which the backdoor was placed using the backdoor it's definitely still a security vulnerability.

it's mathematics. you can't outlaw the implementation and knowledge of mathematics.

Because sane people exchange completely random data all the time, right?

Are you retarded, do you think upon that ban PGP clients and truecrypt setup files willnjust dissapear forever?

>animefag breaks down door and holds gun to my head
>excuse me sir but i'd like to point out that this is a banned activity
>he apologies and leaves
>get a check in the mail 2 weeks reimbursing the door

how stupid can people be?
It's like prohibit "advanced" math, I guess these is the same kind of peple that propouse ban of full face helmet just cause a couple of robberys and the camera didn't get the face.
Is a security issue, encryption should be the standard, there are bad/curious people listen on networks.
Spot the logicall fallacy on your argument. x used y in a bad way, lets ban y cause I don't understand what is y

You might not want it, but it's the law. Most people wanted it and they elected politicians that represented them and made it into law. Put up with it. That's how civilization works.

>asymmetric backdoor
>asymmetric backdoors

babby learned a new word (he thinks it means magic)

It is not the law and I will continue using encryption the way I currently do if it becomes a law. Either way a backdoored system is an insecure one and you're a complete fucking moron to support such a thing.

>this is just a purely random mathematical sequence that by mere accident produces a moving picture that photo-realistically resembles the image of a 10-year old girl having sex with a 42-year old man

Why make encryption illegal if there's literally no good way of enforcing it?

ISIS isn't going to stop sending encrypted messages just because fatland asks them politely to.

No, but if you use them, you get nicked.

>privacy
>privacy
>privacy
babby learned a new word (he thinks it means magic)

Not yet, but it will inevitably be. It's only a matter of time now. Both major presidential candidates are for encryption-control, so you better start wiping those hard drives full of kiddie porn soon.

That makes no sense

>using encryption == pedophilia
I should've known I was arguing with an NSA shill and not just some random retard

>Kikes want to ban encryption so they can blackmail any party to do their agenda.
>Find the most hated trend right now in the media; mudslimes terrorists.
>Make an incident and a terrorist attack.
>Make all the media talk about it for 3 months, trying to show that encryption is insecurity, insecurity is against American dreams.
>They get the public support.
>All that before the presidential elections.
If the encryption banned, the only one who is wining here is the jews, you fucking goys.

>use btc
>buy illegal cryptography tools, untouched by govt.
>increase black market
>profit

anti-encryption shills ITT have 100% confidence in the government to never do anything wrong ever. It's kind of scary, they think the government is like god and should be all powerful , it's the evil people stopping god from achieving it's rightful omnipotence

pop-quiz hotshot: when in the history of mankind has a government ever even managed to stay in power? Let alone be good and trustworthy?

ɹǝʌǝu

Did you ever stop to consider we don't want these retarded assholes having keys to our backdoors?

Fine. stupid civilizations that want to trade safety for "security" can do so, while the rest of the world will go on to continue developing and using crypto.

This JIDF meme stopped being funny a couple of years ago. You're late to the party.

Also, how do you think they'll get a master key, not for a tool, but for a algorithm? RSA-2048 for example?

>get your IP traced
>be sent away for decades for using illegal encryption

You dont get your IP traced if you are safe enough.

Aaaand it didn't take a 1 minute before a JIDF show to the 'late' party.

I know you're baiting but how the fuck do you expect to enforce a ban on mathematical functions? Shit's always going to be trivial to pull off no matter what your shit president does.

Measures like this only ever punish law abiding citizens.

The JIDF is an actual organization, and it's not the only jew propaganda group, pic related

thejidf.org/

I don't understand why this crisis over encryption is happening now, this whole controversy should have happened in the 90's or earlier.

Like what, using Tor? That by itself will be illegal, any connections to the entry relays can be traced. Stay mad.

Why would you be against encryption retard? I dont have anything to hide, but govs have nothing to do in our private lifes, evem if you are a middle-class stay at home mom, doing nothing, you should not have the govt. read your whatsapp messages, its fucked up.

Fuck, pedophiles literally grasping at straws at this point.

>its a pollard thinks he's being treated serious episode

establishment is scared of the internet, it gives the people too much power, encryption is part of what keeps them from being able to get to you irl

Uh... It's just a couple of guys with a website and a twitter account, you know right?

You're obviously jewish

It did actually, and encryption was regulated back then. Regulations stopped being enforced and Islamic terrorism rose as a consequence.

>anyone who doesn't agree with me is a pedophile

People like you are why libel laws should be enforced in the internet.

They won't look into your files unless you give them enough cause to issue a search warrant against you.

>Islamic terrorism is wholly a result of encryption

this is what the FBI actually believes

>mommy, someone's BTFOing my arguments online!
Suddenly Cred Forums isn't such a bastion of free speech anymore, huh?

it's simple, remove the list of exit nodes.

how the fuck is the gubmint supposed to know what's encrypted traffic and what's pure gibberish? there's no deterministic system for this. it's impossible.

if some bullshit law like this is ever passed, activists have so many options it's not even funny. it can't be enforced.

not the other guy but are you JIDF ? you sound JIDF.

One ironic thing that happened during the crypto export restriction era was that people overseas who wanted access to strong crypto had access to it (developed outside the us), and us citizens ended up using the weakened crypto for two decades because their shit gets manufactured overseas (Windows being the prominent and well known example).

Restricting crypto will only under the assumption that only us can develop it, or that all other countries will also ban it (and enforce said ban). Both are silly assumptions.

Why are you against freedom of speech, user?

Insults aren't arguments, jew.

It's just one shill and he's made at least one thread a day for the past three days. His thread from the day before yesterday is still up. It's easy to see that it's the same guy, he doesn't even bother changing the wording of his responses at all.

This is what everybody KNOWS, you retard.

>You weak hater of America. You're puny. Come see me when you have the same eyes that I do.

honestly everybody should have access to strong encryption, not just the terrorists and pedophiles OP.

Because people exchange gibberish all the time, right?

>it's hard to enforce guys, t-trust me!
>i-it's hard to do so you shouldn't even try!

Holy fuck, Saudi encryptard shills clutching at straws!

Someone tell me how they plan to backdoor something like LUKS

Privacy is an unalienable right given to us by our Creator. If law enforcement have a reason to look at my encrypted files, they should get a court order and I'll gladly give them the key. Until then, whatever files I choose to encrypt are mine and mine alone to decrypt as I see fit. How hard of a concept is this to understand, you pinko communist faggot?

No right is absolute, you fucking moron.

>believing terrorists and pedophiles will just turn in their keys peacefully and gladly with a court order
Boy, you're naïve!

>there are people on this board right now who actually believe in government with limited authority and inalienable civil rights
ftfy

>whatever I don't like is communism
I used to like this meme more with nazism.

>court order
That's how the backdoors are going to be used. Your privacy rights are not in check here, nothing will change for you unless you're a criminal.

Backdoors only for the good guys are impossible.

Either encryption is safe from the good guys or it's not safe at all.

Go jew somewhere else, you fuckin kikes

But what about my 2nd amendment rights?

Who give a shit?

>want me to give up my rights because of mah children

Fuck children. I'd rather they all suffer than give up my rights to privacy

Kek, Cred Forums stopped being bastion of free speech since long time.

Except Nazis are extinct. I only wish you communists were extinct too.

Sure thing, Ahmed.

How do you differentiate raw data from other raw data?

Do you really think that you can, at a glance, know one binary stream from another?

The only way to do this is to spy on everyone all the time, by default and only have a whitelist of authorized content, this is fucking 1984 level of contrived bullshit authoritarianism.

>nazis are extinct
You haven't been to Cred Forums lately, have you?

That's a nice argument.
How will you keep the bad guys from getting a hold of the backdoor? That I really want to know.

It's not fucking possible.

>No right is absolute
The entire Constitution rests on the premise that rights are absolute. If we can't even agree on this, I don't see how a conversation on policy would be productive. You're probably not even American.

>he thinks Cred Forums isn't on the 18th level of irony with the nazi shit
Fascism isn't dead for sure, but bona fide National Socialists are for good.

>An asymmetric backdoor can only be used by the attacker who plants it, even if the full implementation of the backdoor becomes public (e.g., via publishing, being discovered and disclosed by reverse engineering, etc.). Also, it is computationally intractable to detect the presence of an asymmetric backdoor under black-box queries.
You should just have stayed in school.

banning encryption would be nearly equivalent to banning math. Good fucking luck with that retards

Dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery

>What is signature-based real-time traffic analysis?
Did they just defrost you?

Should all locks have keys? youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=VPBH1eW28mo

Maybe that's why we're seeing such election results in Europe, not to mention a literal nazi running for president in the US.

Watch pic related. Nazism is very alive.

>communism isn't extinct
Are you still in the 80's or something?

Oh, I forgot Republicans still think we're in the Cold War and think we need another Reagan!

>polshitter upset he got b& for leaving his containment tank

wew

>the entire Constitution rests on the premise that rights are absolute
That's not true at all. Despite the 1st amendment, you can go to jail for defamation. Study law before you talk out of your own arsehole.

It's already been engineered. You can't un-engineer it. If you outlaw it, outlaws will still use it. Banning it only hurts the law-abiding.

>hurr durr muh terrorists

You do realize that the ones who were responsible for the attacks in paris didn't use encryption at all, right? Even if they did, banning encryption because of "muh terrorists" is as retarded as banning toyota pickup trucks because of ISIS.

Not fast enough to be applied. iirc not even the brits and their bloated budget can't do it universally yet.

Nice try, kike.
We're all Cred Forums, but with technology flavor

Quick! Ban gunpowder and steel before someobe uses them for nefarious purposes.

reading through the replies

is there anything Cred Forums cannot refute

if only Cred Forums was allowed to make all of the worlds decisions

there are some great minds here

there are some idiots here too, but there are some great minds here too.

This, Cred Forums was created for free speech. Degenerates, anime, and cucks are runining this place. Why not just ban Linux also? Pedos and terrorists use it.

It is true and the defamation laws don't change that.

pol not Cred Forums shill detected

encrypt your shit everyone

Places like Cred Forums will become outlawed and go underground if globalists get their way.

Cuck
>>>/reddit/

>replying to obvious FBI/NSA shilling
You know, if we were to get rid of the FBI/NSA, Google, Microsoft, and Apple shilling on Cred Forums, this would be a great fucking board.

HOW ABOUT YOU FUCKING GET ON THAT, Cred Forums?

Swear to fuck, the only fucking place I've ever seen that actually allows paid shitposting and does fucking nothing about it.

Yes they should.

you can make this ridiculous argument about anything that allows privacy
>WHY LOCKS ON BATHROOMS GUISE?

Stay mad and ignorant

>I want encryption so I can break the law
Found the jew. You've been destroying western society with degeneracy for too long.

I wonder if it hasn't already begun.

moot introduced the Google captcha system on this website just before he left.

And now he works for them.

variety.com/2016/digital/news/google-hires-Cred Forums-founder-chris-poole-moot-1201724308/

Anybody else notice the constant anti-encryption threads on Cred Forums? The NSA shilling is real.

>criminals use cars
we shouldn't use the same convenient things as them.
Burn your car before it's too late, you filthy terrorist supporter.

Whatever you say shlomo. It's the goyim who want to stop your support of terrorist attacks who are at fault here, not you.

>liberty is jewish
Terribly meme'd my shill.

*sighs* I hate you pro-police state shilling morons.

Kill yourself cuck, this is a Cred Forums website.

>hiding your cp, drugs and terrorist plans is liberty
Kill yourself, fucking kike.

Terrorism is a false flag movement, it's more than just the covert black operations. There's agencies that are setting up these bombings and attacks on civilians. Your own government terrorized this country using it's federal agencies against the population. Go read about the real history of this country's government, starting with the FBI's COINTELPRO and the CIA's MKULTRA to begin with.

You morons deserve to be killed in terrorist attacks because it's your own government orchestrating it and completely responsible for it. Encryption isn't meant to stop any terrorism, encryption is meant to keep whistleblowers from leaking information about the conspiracies to the public.

THIS!
I've been saying that since forever.
I'm screenshot it if you don't mind.

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it

Google shill pls

> This is what a FBI agent believes

FBI plz go. You're so lazy that you're substituting terrorist investigation with a Google search.

That includes the right of law enforcement and NatSec to get access to information they want to have on everyday citizens.

Fuck adults. They all deserve to suffer by being stripped of their dignity. To protect a tiny handful of children, of course.

Wait.

So, the underlying implication here is that Apple has the *ability* to hack the iPhones.

Which means it's shit security.

So why are people bothered? You use shit crypto, it gets broken, that's how it works.

>there are people on this board right now who actually believe unironically that terrorists and child pornographers should have access to strong encryption to hide their tracks from law enforcement

You shills aren't even that creative. You always use the same two tactics, ad hominem and straw man arguments, the most simpleminded of all logical fallacies.

Wait, shit. Meant to tag a different post. Ah well. I'm retarded.

>people who hide cp are criminals
No, people who make it are. Having digital cp data is as legal as imagining a naked underage.
>drugs are bad because the government says so
That's nice legal alcohol, caffeine, nicotine etc. your country has user. Why should they be legal and other forms of drugs not? You're just being retarded. Everyone has a right to consume whatever they want, who are you to stop people from taking drugs, eating junk food or eating dirt if they want to?
>thinking by giving up on his liberty he's stopping terrorism
This was proven to be false. Terrorism will always exist and no amount of removed civil rights will stop it, it will just make people's lives more miserable. Criminals will find a way to safely communicate with or without encryption. Governments are actively trying to reduce people's rights and saying "this is for your own safety" is just a meme idiots like you fall for.

>No, people who make it are. Having digital cp data is as legal as imagining a naked underage.

NOOOOOOOO, you fell for his straw man argument. Now he's going to ad hom you even more by calling you a pedo.

>ad homo

>just before he left.

ummmm

>Nobody should have guns, the terrorists and criminals might use them.
>No one should have locks on their doors, the terrorists and criminals can hide things behind them
>No one should drive a car, look how many accidents there are.
>No one should wear clothes, what if the terroists and criminals hide shit under them.
>No one should have air, you could start a fire or something

Fuck off with your elementary school bullshit. Encryption is vital to freedom.

a couple of months yeah. what was it ? 3 months ?

More like a couple years.

They will use sites like this to brainwash morons with memes. It's already been proven that memes are a form of mind control. If you don't think so, remember how the average idiot on Cred Forums worships Trump, an almost caricature of a globalist. Yep, Trump is the typical globalist. Greedy, born rich, financial elite, the 1%, Judaized with a Jewish family now and he's a Zionist that knows nothing about the average person. Yet, the masses on Cred Forums worship this particular person out any candidate they could have memed, they chose a representative of the elite.

Criminals use guns. Maybe we should get rid of those?

Guns have criminals, maybe we should get rid of the criminals?

>they will
>implying we aren't already in a shilling thread based on that very premise

no, trump works for us

I can't even tell if people are actually retarded or just acting retarded anymore. Is there a difference?

>having CP is legal
The NAMBLA shilling is real!

>encryptards keep spamming this strawman

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, NO ONE IS SAYING WE SHOULD BAN ENCRYPTION!

We just think it should have secure backdoors.

Thanks for correcting the record!

Secure backdoors? How the fuck do you think they can keep them secure? Worse than that, why the fuck do you what the government to be able to see everything you do? What happens (and i know this an extreme hypothetical, but bare with me) if a tyrannical government gets its hands on this "secure" backdoor?

There's no such thing as secure backdoor. Even if it's supposedly secure, there's no way to guarantee it won't end up in the wrong hands.

Lol this. I see what he's doing. Fuck that asshole

Kleptographical and cryptovirological techniques allow that, you pedestrian mass-media-parroting useful idiots.

Math doesn't know the good guys from the bad guys

>i'm a statist bootlicker
fuck off, backdoored faggot

That only addresses half my point. All it takes is one crooked cop and everyone using the cryptography scheme in question is at risk.

...

Mate, it's the human element that scares me. Tyrannical governments, Whistleblowers, just one fucknut who decides hes going to tell the world all about this backdoor and how to use it. But please, keep using ad-homenims instead addressing all the points.

No we shouldn't. And also this

Terrorists use gmail drafts to message each other and share the password.
You wouldn't ban gmail, would you.

Cred Forums is dead
go to /tech/

Appernlty no, they'll just make it so the government can automatically look at anyones emails/email account with a "Master Password" that is "Secure"...

come and take it

>should have secure backdoors
>should

Which will be enforced through draconian punishments. Don't write 'should' when you mean 'must'.

If you're banning encryption that is not broken by design, you're banning encryption.

>banning encryption
tech illiterate

>go to /tech/

it's actually even worse tho

>Sourcs: wikipedia.
Maybe yoy should fucking get the full story, it's still vulnerable to a SETUP attack. No backdoor will ever, EVER be secure, just accept it.

>a key to unlock apple devices
DO U EVEN COMPUTE BRO?

8ch is practically dead and /tech/ is slow as molasses.

> everything i don't like on Cred Forums is Cred Forums

I still like /tech/, 8/tv/ and occasionally 8/pol/. The speed can be fucking unbearable though. I don't expect the site to last more than another year or 2. Shame.

For real this guy is a shill. Encryption is privacy. It is protection from warrantless earch and seizures

Well saidThis dude that you replied to is legitmately retarded

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Guys im first year uni i just heard about this klepto.... thing. Anyway ban encryption yeah

okay yes but a system to bypass it was introduced a couple months before he left - logging in with your google account.