/Sierra/ general

excellent, just the answer I needed

>bug fixes for core applications like Preview
>Daisy Disk got Sherlocked
>improvements to privacy w/r to IPv6
>path randomization for security
>iCloud Document and Desktop folder sync (if you have another Mac)

Sierra is a refinement of El Cap, so far its been solid.

haven't installed yet. i'm excited
it is nice, i guess, that the new safari, itunes, and xcode all run on 10.11. those have seen real improvements

it's a gorgeous machine. if i had to buy a mac right now it's the one i'd get
but it's a little slow and the keyboard feels fucking weird

i'm just happy that pdf rendering will finally be unfucked
i really should be angrier about that

PiP, the built-in junk cleaner (note this has a built in TreeSize like tool that lets you gauge the size of folders on your hard drive), enhancements to Safari (restore tabs) & iMessage (emojis and view iOS 10 messages), keep folders on top when sorting by name option in Finder, etc

I have a hard time giving up forceFullDesktopBar for those small updates.

>forceFullDesktopBar

that's pretty fucking autistic. just move your fucking mouse up. holy shit

No it's not. The minimized spaces bar in El Capitan is really poorly implemented, usability-wise. Check the short summary in the github page.

It's fucking autism. Instead of using broken code-injection shit, just setup a gesture in BTT. It has a built-in Misson Control & Expanded Previews option

Again, it's not autism, and it's not "broken code injection". It injects code, yes, but it uses the native pre-10.11 behavior - it's not a workaround. So unlike BTT's """"solution"""", there's no shitty animation, no shuffling previews and consistently placed targets. Like something a reasonable UI designer would do rather than a Pajeet.

anyone got their workflow fucked up by the update?
thats the only thing keeping me from updating

PiP crashed my laptop

Sierra running on base rMBP 15 inch

Good:
> Safari is much better and faster
> Mission Control animation is different, now you can "fully control it", like, you can cancel it halfway, a nice touch, I enjoyed it.
> The new storage optimization menu is pretty great, I saved like 10GB of useless shit.

Bad:
> Siri is cool, but useless for me, but that's just me.
> Finder shortcuts thumbnails are white for me, when I click on them it turns back to normal
> Notification center is white even with dark mode activated, it's so ugly now
> Xcode 8 is still slow for me, several indexing bugs
> Simulator 10 is literally 2x slower (for SpriteKit at least)
> Tab feature turned out to be useless for me
> Safari is better, but still doesn't play webm's

Overall, I would recommend, I'm more disappointed with Xcode and Simulator, fucking bullshit when they said "Drastically faster version".

i'm waiting on the 2016 rmbp to upgrade from my chinkpad

i can't fucking wait brehs, finally i'll have a decent machine for work

Apple went to shit when th3 G5 was new.

>not hackintoshing

i doubt i could on a system with an old i3 and 4 gigs of ram

It works nicely on my T420.

Remember, they still support C2D machines.

>> Finder shortcuts thumbnails are white for me, when I click on them it turns back to normal
it might be synching your desktop/documents to icloud for continuity

Anyone hack through the OS to find clues on upcoming hardware?

>Daisy Disk got Sherlocked

wat

ON WHAT FUCKING DRUGS ARE YOU???
XCode8 destroyed my app. The "automatic code upgrade" to swift 3 didn't work for SHIT. Try any other IDE.
ANY
OTHER
IDE
They're just SO MUCH BETTER Faggot

Is it officially out or still just beta?

Good form

>install Sierra
>battery life is halved
Apple, amirite?

What was your app?
Counting strokes of your faps?
A fart-noise generator?
Oh, I know! An Office suite!

>Apple, amirite?
At least it wasn't installed by stealth without your knowledge or consent.
And, you can simply roll back to the last version. Easy.

Should have backed it up, my boy

I'm just disappointed because I've heard good things about osx updates. I installed it alongside my existing mavericks installation, so I didn't lose anything other than my time.

I agree with you. Its purposely hiding content for no real gain apart from aesthetical preference. They fucked up iTunes 12.5 in a similar way.

this is not a MARKETING thread, I repeat, this is not MARKETING

> you can simply roll back to the last version
no you fucking can't, unless you have a backup.

I''l wait for 10.12.1

That screenshot is unfortunate, but overall I'm actually a big fan of iTunes 12.5. Ever since iTunes 11 they started fragmenting the UI design in a way only Microsoft could (pic related), they're finally consolidating things.

Running Sierra on my 2012 MBP (non-Retina). Working great so far. Still running fast and buttery smooth

Interesting, mine has had battery issues. I can get about 5 hours of actual usage, and it will lose around 10% per hour while asleep. You haven't experience this?

No something that had to communicate to a server. Swift 3 did the equivalent of renaming the "Object" - class in Java and at the same time creating a new class with the name "Object"
Swift is a fucking ridiculous meme of a language

Not him but i have same MBP and even has a bad battery and it can still hold a charge for at least 2 days when its closed. But i only get like an hour or two of actual use from a full charge because bad battery

Strange. This is a clean install, power options are set, I haven't even installed anything.
It doesn't matter since I'll sell it soon, but I guess this means the problem is on my end.

Ye sell it. I swear macs are like the lottery. Ive had nothing but good from apple but my sister has not.

How many system resources does mac os use when idle?

Probably more then required

>he doesn't know about little snitch

lol

Really? I was under the impression that macbooks tend to outlive other laptops.
I've just been flipping used macbooks, but aside from this one issue they have all been pretty solid.

>installing sierra
>progress bar stuck
>press cmd+l to look what's up
>GSOD
>restarting into login screen
>everything just works
Thank you, Tim Cuck.

Btw, I opted out of beta but app store still showing me 10.12.1 update.

This, I always wait for the 10.x.1 version to let them fix the little bugs here and there

Flipping macbooks? I should check that out. My MBP is going great just needs a new battery but my sister has had bad hard drive, broken touchpad and some keys stopped working. I bet if she had anyother laptop it would be worse, i think she just treats it like shit but ive never seen her do so. Also my moms mac mobo died for the second time.

>Flipping macbooks? I should check that out
Their resale value is amazing, and there is always demand for them. I'm cautious about picking up any more at the moment though, with the rumors of new models going around.

I've had the same experience with all my hardware. Never dies, just eventually becomes obsolete. People are just careless with their possessions, that's why they break.

My acer laptop still works after 10 years and once sitting in water, and a few times splashing milk on it. Had to replace the keyboard though

>
>> you can simply roll back to the last version
>no you fucking can't, unless you have a backup.
Go to App Store, select 'show hidden purchases', download previous OSX version.

Wow so difficult.

nah, not really. I disabled this bullshit.
> tfw Apple could give us 10GB of free storage, but still gives us only 5GB

Okay, now try installing it without wiping.

> what is timemachine?

Who /hackintosh/ master race here?

>i'm just happy that pdf rendering will finally be unfucked
>i really should be angrier about that
what kind of fucked did preview did? I didn't notice anything wrong with it before

The fuck are you going on about?

oh, you're le ebin troll.

> unless you have a backup
unless you have a backup
> unless you have a backup
unless you have a backup

What's the best torrent client for sierra?

Anyone installed it on an 2009 MBP?
I'm scared it won't be able to handle it and get even slower than this already is.
I'm still on mountain lion and kinda feel like it's time to upgrade.

> 2009 MBP
don't do it, just don't.

> I feel like it's time to upgrade
Yeah, time to upgrade your hardware m8.

Yeah that's what I thought, I'm surprised this thing is still running like it is, it's almost as good as new and has been used extensively nearly every day since I bought it.
Guess I'll wait for the new one that's supposedly coming next month.

So a friend of mine bought a bunch of g4 ibooks and gave me one.

How do I mac what am I doing any good tutorials this must be how grandma feels.

Any hackintosh users do a system update from elcap to sierra yet? Did it go smoothly?

I want to update but can't really afford to have any serious downtime if shit fucks up.

> tfw no Retina Display on you're MacBook

it really fucking sucks, let me tell you.

Just installed. Late 2008 Unibody. Can't see why it is unsupported. Runs smooth

Sierra actually improved the fonts on non-retina displays.
did you try?

Works for me

Is that an option somewhere?

yes, me.
Just remember to update clover ( not clover configurator like I did lol)
then you can smoothly upgrade from the appstore, given that you install the new web drivers afterwards if needed
i noticed this. The spacing between the fonts has been widened- i like it

No, actually. Looks like I might actually update.

have power nap turned on?

I've been enjoying it so far seems smooth and stable. My 2010 iMac is dying and honestly, I'm thinking about building a PC to replace it. Here is my question, as someone who has used OSX pretty much since Vista, just how much as Windows 10 improved the OS? I want it just for offloading heavy tasks that I don't want to do on my RMBP15in mainly with Adobe software.

>not just building a kabylake/cannonlake hackintosh
Sure, go ahead and install spyw- errr Windows 10. Good goy

I tried that with a "mac mini" for my living room and it was not stable. This machine will be doing what I do for a living, I need more stability than that.

Windows 10 is years behind in terms of usability compared to macOS, personally I'm a macfag since Yosemite and can't go back, Winblows font rendering is crap and literally hurts my eyes.

If you really want to build a PC, go for hackintosh, so make sure the parts you get are compatible (Please don't get an AMD CPU)

> Adobe Software
I feel bad for you, lad.

my hackintosh crashed less than windows 7 which actually officially supports its hardware. Maybe don't use 10 year old hardware?

Where do mactoddlers get the false impression they or their fruity toddler toy joke of an OS belong on a technology board?

...

Fuck off, macbabbies.

so asshurt

I am trying to view a 700x545162 pixel image and preview is choking

does sierra's preview fix this issue or not?

I've started the download for sierra but its slow af it wont be done in the next 15 hours

It doesn't fix it.

Fuck off.

I'm still on 10.10, what am I missing Cred Forums?

On dark mode my notification center is still white. Is everyone else getting this or is it glitched on my end?

Nothing. Safari 10 has been updated on 10.10 to 10.12.

There's no darkmode notification center anymore. Shame that white mode looks like shit.

Comfy/10
Siri is shit desu

so much white i would have a headache after a hour.

in a nutshell:
- unlock with apple watch (but not iPhone for some excuse or another)
- messages upgrade
- this storage optimization thing that puts unused files online to free up space. exciting times for hackers everywhere.
- tabs everywhere
- the beginnings of a new filesystem (which is potentially really exciting actually)
- siri

(am i missing anything significant?)

it doesn't seem that exciting to me. when the new filesystem is ready for use as a boot drive, i'll definitely take more interest, but i don't think i'll even want to (or in the case of unlocking, be able to) use any of these things. i particularly loathe siri, and i wish i could just type my queries in, but nope. the future is awkwardly shouting simple commands at your computer, and the future is here.

I've been a betatester for a year now, I did it because I wanted el capitan fast because I was sick of how laggy yosemite it. Now I have sierra which is greater still, but I guess my question is, is there any reason not to be a betatester?

Can I install it on a late 2009 MacBook with 8gb of ram
I already have El Capitan on it

>is there any reason not to be a betatester?
do you mean aside from the obvious answers to this question, or are you asking us to explain the pros and cons of using beta software?

Apparently it works based on compatibility list

Ye

If you got the Unibody Macbook, yes. If it's the old cracky plastic one, no.

I kinda prefer the white one. more transparency, and since monity gadget for the notification center was updated to be also white, I have no problem at all with it.

>Unibody Macbook

Yes it's the A1342 one

spotted the freetard

spotted the poorfag

Has anyone got a sierra hackintosh running yet? Clover won't even boot from USN for me. I am trying it on a new laptop too so I'm sure the issue isn't sierra itself, likely the USB controller.

Regardless how has it been for you to set up and get going?

Spotted basement dwelling feet fungus eating loser

I had a black screen, if you have a nvidia card you need to use nvda_drv=1. apart from that, no different from el capitan

You have 10 seconds to name ONE good reason to upgrade

I used an i5 quod core with 8GB ram and parts from the Tonymac list. Yet it still had tons of problems.

Shared copy and paste between phone a computer

It's just integrated intel graphics. I'm sure it's to do with the USB3 port. running clover with -v and it crashes almost instantly

Wtf I love Apple now

Daisy Disk is a paid program to show users how space on their hard drive is being used by files. Apple added a very similar feature to Mac OS Sierra's settings.

The term "sherlocked" is references Apple's Sherlock search tool (released in Mac OS 8) which was essentially a clone of the independently developed Watson search tool.

Transmission but you might get a version with a trojan

>There's no darkmode notification center anymore. Shame that white mode looks like shit.
Turn off transparency and turn on high contrast and pretend that you're using NextStep

I like iOS but OS X / macOS seems like an unstable mess. My MacBook crashes regularly. I use it mostly at a desk with power, ethernet, and two displays plugged in at all times. Today it crashed while resuming from sleep--I woke it up using the keyboard and I was met with two black screens (externals) and the cursor moved for about 20 seconds and then stopped. Entire system frozen, force trackpad stopped responding, etc.

The OS is nice and polished and feels a lot like Linux but it has no fucking stability.

I use transmission-daemon on a linux server and transgui on mac, although deluge is fine locally if you have a small number of torrents

How are your external monitors connected? I have real problems when using adaptors.

one displayport and one hdmi->dvi cable

Swift is still new, it's going to keep changing. Also conversion isn't compulsory. Also also stop being a bitch and convert it by hand.

literally the only reason I upgraded was for folders on top in Finder (which unlike XtraFinder also applies to file open/file save windows).

Anything in particular? The one thing that excited me was interface builder not being shit, like being able to edit when zoomed out. I work with front enders who insist on using it and also failed to make modular storyboards, so I'm currently dealing with a storyboard with 20+ view controllers.

That's good. DaisyDisk's UI is absolutely disgusting, even though the performance increases they added lately are impressive.

should i upgrade to sierra? I have lots of pirated apps and I dont think they cracked the sierra ones yet. should I hold up or go for it?

Is this even a question? Just make your own judgment call

you don't know what question marks are for? There were multiple question marks in that post
>is this even a question
lmao

putting a question mark after something doesn't make it a legitimate question? the implication of my question wasn't whether or not it was written as a question but whether or not it was, by nature, legitimately something that needed to be asked? question marks? lmao?

...

I am German, please submit the complete joke as an engineering document

thank you

Asking for the 4th time, does anyone know if .car themes break with the update?

Where do mactoddlers get the false impression they or their fruity toddler toy joke of an OS belong on a technology board?

>omg when I click the x it closes the window and not the program like Windows
you're complaining about different design decisions in a graphical file manager my dude
>omg cp replaced my files without prompting me

I wish they finally fixed C++ support, allowed code snippets with tokens of the same name to replace all equally named tokens and implemented fuzzy matching for autocompletion.

Clang is so fucking great, it's amazing. It compiles so much faster than VC++, it's debug builds are surprisingly quick and apple's debugging tools are insanely good.

GNU/Linux and Windows don't have this problem.

There are a lot of legitimate complaints one can lodge against macOS, yet you choose to try to troll by pointing out an intentional difference in UI implementation

>destroying your files rather than merging your folders like 99% of the rest of the entire world
> intentional difference in UI implementation

Mactardism, not even once.

zsh remote tab completion stopped working for anyone else? I mean auto completing things like `scp user@host:foo/bar` if you're using pub key auth

>windows / ubuntu / arch babby thinks he knows about computers
I've been hacking since before you were born kiddo

>not just cp -R
>saving a thumbnail

>slav moonspeak language
>probably is one of those retards that claims its the year of the linux desktop every year

Does anyone here actually believe all those Sierra shilling posts are genuine?

Yes, amazingly some people use and enjoy things you don't like. Incredible I know but you'll grow to understand one day.

It's gotten quite bad in the last couple years. El Capitan was actually an improvement and I haven't used Sierra yet, but it's still nowhere near the wonderful times we had five or so years ago. External monitors for laptops in particular have caused an insane amount of headaches. Probably gonna switch to Windows 10 at some point honestly.

Have you had trouble with crashing as well?

Multi monitor support in windows 10 is hardly perfect either. I don't know what's happened in the last few years

not as much lately, but yeah every time i plugged the thing into a monitor after using it without one for more than 10 minutes it used to require rebooting (pre-10.11)

How do you even activate dark mode in the first place?

i had a windows laptop i used with external monitors the same way i now used my mac, back on XP and 7, it was so much better it's not even funny

This. Although it works fine on the Mac the way that I'd expect, I get so many random crashes--it's terrible. I just don't understand it.

Just Works™ amirite :^)

>sleep laptop
>close lid
>it goes into hibernation
>resume
>wake it up
>external displays turn on
>black screens only though
>mouse moves for a little while but freezes
>force trackpad is frozen too etc
>system halt p much
anyone else?

Apple is a joke. Jump ship while you can.

I know a lot of people think that needing to use the command line is indicative of an OS being shit, but this is honestly a problem accross the board. Explorer, Finder, and every Linux file manager that I've used (Nautilus mainly) all fuck up regularly when it comes to large or bulk file transfers. I trust cp so much more than anthing else after hundreds of flash drives refusing to eject and GUI copy operations refusing to cancel

100% this. cp -R using tmux is all I trust. Once you get old enough you get sick of dicking around with anything else.

Yeah I forgot to mention screen or tmux is a must since your terminal emulator has a higher chance of crashing too compared to cp

I kind of have given up to be honest. The OS side of things, while far better than windows (in my opinion) for day to day usage, seems to be stagnating and hardware decisions are hardly inspiring.

I don't have much faith in the new MBPs blowing me away after the macbook and iphone 7 announcements either.

this is exactly what happens
i'm looking to pick up a dell laptop once i get some of those holiday hour paychecks. probably one of the Inspiron 13 7000s with 7th gen chips

I have the inspiron 13 5000 and am in the process of hackintoshing it right now. I'll post in the thread if it works out.

Doing my T420 was a dream but it's also well supported with very suitable components. I can foresee this one being a bit of a headache.

>this is exactly what happens
No kidding? Jesus Christ man, this problem has been driving me insane

How are your displays connected?

I found a way to make it work, for me at least
>turn laptop on not plugged into monitor but with power connected so OSX doesn't freak out when the lid closes
>log in, wait for desktop to load
>NOW plug in external monitor
>wait for OSX to adjust and desktop to be on both screens
>close laptop
Seems to work okay after that. Though if the laptop has been off for a while or was previously connected to a monitor and disconnected, it sometimes needs to be turned off first.

Oh and that's with a mini-displayport to displayport cable through the thunderbolt port. I don't know if it's related to OSX switching from the integrated graphics card for the laptop screen only to dedicated when using the monitor or both screens.

For me it's random and the problem isn't just that the displays go black, but that the entire fucking system will just crash/lock up with no possible way to recover other than holding the power button down to power it down.

>How are your displays connected?
1 displayport and 1 hdmi->dvi cable as
I think I mentioned above

Ah sorry didn't realise you were the guy from before. I have problems when using one monitor via the mdp and then a second on the hdmi but only when connected by an adaptor (e.g. HDMI to dp or DVI). One or the other seems to be fine but both at once fucks it and I'm trying to work out which it might be.

Does your system crash or do you just have display issues? Big difference because I keep losing work

I guess the lack of ram. Took apple forever to quit shipping their machines with 2 fucking gigs.

I've had a few crashes but it's mostly been (long) hangs which seem to go away when I pull the displays, I'm thinking it might also be program dependent or linked to some power saving element? Honestly the best option for me is to not have the computer sleep at all and just power off the displays.

im dying for a decent new mac mini

It's dead mate.

I just want a new rMBP. I don't have the balls to buy a dell XPS or any other alternative.
MIGHT buy a thinkpad, but they are still with 6th gen intel and 900 series geforce.

mac mini 6 = october 2012
mac mini 7 = october 2014
mac mini 8 = OCTOBER 2016

Funny thing is this Macbook was custom ordered with extra 2 gigs of ram, im not the original owner of it though, but i do have the original receipt from 2008. Feel sorry for the fool that wasted an extra $150 for an extra 2 gigs

would be nice desu

>it just werkz

>bumping a dead thread

>responding to a grand total of two people having one conversation and including maybe 1-2 more people shitposting for good measure
>ebin nigger reaction image
this board is full of teenagers

>$600 extra for a 128 GB SSD

wew lad

>development
>implying npm or ruby actually work after El Capitan
>muh security
>sudo everything
Yosemite is still the best

Why is Apple such a fucking joke?

>actually using notification center
at least you're using amethyst senpai

outdated bait.

> decent

not while the ram is soldered on.

Not that big a deal. They come with 8gig min which should be plenty for macOS for years to come.

Just installed it in my trusty 5,1 MBP. Disabled transperancy, enabled tap dragging. Feels comfy. Any new nongay features?

Ruby works fine. Are you regarded?

youtube.com/watch?v=Hr4wz4-27PY

4gb min.

>mac
>nongay features

>2008

how old were you in 2008 bub

Older than you, iPajeet fuckhead.

doubt that considering you act like a 13 year old now

Spotted the iPajeet.

Airs have been shipping with min of 8 for a year now. When the NEW minis launch they will have 8 minimum

What a witty retort

Well said, iPajeet!

>el cap
> can view large ass image but cant convert it to pdf
>sierra
>can view the previously converted large ass pdf
>cant view the large ass image

???? what the fuck? I need to read that fucking image now

who is this weeaboo?

It broke my Karabiner.
Smoothmouse too, now using UsbOverdrive which randomly fucks middle click button.

The best feature of Sierra is Reduce Motion.

Give yourself some time to get used to it, and you will realize it is WAY better than having the animations.

OS X's cute harmless animations have mostly been spared. But - shitty gaudy choppy animations like switching virtual Desktops, entering Full Screen and opening Mission Control have all been made infinitely more minimal.
There's still a transition, so it's not jarring, but the disorienting choppiness is gone.

Surprisingly, there's just one visual glitch as far as I can tell (I expected a lot more): the Dock can spaz out a little if you enter and exit Mission Control too quickly. You can "fix" this with

> defaults write com.apple.dock autohide-time-modifier -float 0 && killall Dock

though this may make create some other slight inconstancies.

checking it out senpai

Any Xcode 8 beta code upgrade was broken. It worked much better in Xcode 8 GM. But still, code upgrade always fail as general norm and you should not complaining for using a shitty unfinished language as Swift.

Another two small issues I've encountered since:
> notifications just appear. so if you're using "Banners"-style notifications without a sound, you might miss a notification.
> although the animations are shorter, the amount of time reserved for them is as long as the real animations. so if you do Mission Control -> space change -> close Mission Control, the close command won't be responsive for a short while.

DELET THIS

You shouldn't. El Cap is a lot more stable.

so, does siri fully replace spotlight?
I love spotlight because it only takes me 1 or 2 letters to open an app and I don't like voice commands... is spotlight still available?

It's like you're not even trying. Or worse, this is the best you're capable of.

Can I unlock my mac with my iPhone on this update?

Thats literally all I want, I have to use near-lock which is third party but Im getting tired of having to use the fingerprint scanner.