Is there any reason to user tscale=oversample if my monitor is already at an integer multiple of the video?
Chase Johnson
Probably not!
Liam Bell
Why isn't ewa_lanczossharp used for chroma? If one performs better for normal scaling, then why wouldn't it perform better for chroma?
Dylan Cruz
Too sharp!
Juan Rodriguez
Why? How is it too sharp? It's the same shit, just scaled up more. It being sharper shouldn't make a difference regarding resolution.
Jacob Lopez
OP's presets are just as example!
Samuel Wilson
Okay, but why did he choose that example. Surely there's some reasoning behind it. Or is it just better to use ewa_lanczossharp for chroma as well?
Aiden Cox
Probably because chroma is less important.
William Roberts
is this a real MadVR preset or is he trolling?
Ian Cook
Well sure, but I take it we all agree that we're tuning these things for even the slightest differences (or placebo), right? Even if it wouldn't be necessarily visible if you watch a regular video, I would still pick the "better" quality option, as long as I'm not dropping frames.
what's the fucking point of these stupid threads? just ask on dumb questions thread
Gabriel Thompson
I dont see a difference in this shit. Also how much are you paid to shill a free program all day every day? Youre worse than the shillary posters.
Jaxon Campbell
Because we argue about autistic shit here as well, not just answer stupid questions.
Luis Hill
It's probably a bot.
Nicholas Robinson
am I the only one that doesnt see the difference? Am I using it wrong? It just goes in any .conf file in /etc/mpv/lua-settings.. right?
Gavin Baker
Lanczos3 with SuperRes or jinc without SuperRes?
Angel Thompson
Since when does Cred Forums promote closed source software?
I am disappoint
Chase Campbell
If no upscaling, that's normal dude!
Jinc is enough.
Leo Jackson
Fuck off cia nigger
Jonathan Cruz
What? how does that answer the question?
Michael Campbell
better than what?
Ayden Flores
ewa_lanczos.
Henry Sanchez
Still no presets with auto-profiles? Does the windows build support it?
Oliver Torres
Sorry, forgot to delete the quote.
Noah Flores
ewa_lanczossharp is almost the same as ewa_lanczos for luma. difference will be like 0.01% for chroma.
Camden Bennett
>difference will be like 0.01% for chroma. And it's not for luma? Why the difference?
Cameron Hughes
How can I use these in my configs? I see them posted every time, yet every time I try to use them they fail.
Henry Perez
Difference in what?
Alexander Wright
You need a recent mpv build.
Angel Bailey
ewa_lanczos vs ewa_lanczossharp
Robert Martin
The build needs to be less than a month old.
Windows builds are on sourceforge. OS X can build the git master using Homebrew. Linux users can compile it using the build-mpv helping scripts on their repo.
Ian Allen
is the insane madVR really the highest?
Grayson Cruz
What's the correct approach to installing mpv on Windows?
Henry Morales
Nah but it's already messing the picture badly enough for crazy people.
Carson Jones
There are no correct way to install something on windows. You should know it little pajeet.
To setup a config like the ones in OPs post, hold the Windows key and press R, then write %appdata% and make a folder (if it doesn't exist already) named mpv. Then create a text document called "mpv.conf" in that folder with the settings you want inside it.
Chase Harris
I think you should not using madVR anymore. All its filters are deprecated, everything else is dummy as hell.
Liam Kelly
What's a good value for anti-ringing in mpv?
Matthew Perry
Antiringing is a shit!
Camden Gray
Thanks.
Kevin Hughes
>sourceforge Off yourself.
Daniel Hill
I'm currently running (pic related). Is this recent enough? Or are those config options on their own not enough. Currently running Intel NUC i3, HD5000 on Arch.
John Howard
What part of "The build needs to be less than a month old." you can't understand?
Christopher Howard
i gues sit depends on where he is.
Leo Scott
Does mpv stand for anything?
Christopher Rodriguez
>If no upscaling, that's normal dude! wtf does that mean? upscaling? so if my movies are not shit copies none of this autist ricing is going to even be noticeable? Do I have to download a 90's vhs recorded from tv then ripped to a computer inorder to see these improvements?
Austin Gonzalez
Jeez, don't speak broken English and be a dick at the same time, it doesn't look good. Just relax, and thanks for the reminder.
Joseph Long
> am I the only one that doesnt see the difference? yes > It just goes in any .conf file in /etc/mpv/lua-settings.. right? lol, what a retard, rtfm
Eli Moore
smfb
Leo Clark
If video is 1080p And you screen is 1080p
The only difference you're going to see is chroma upscaling because it's most likely 4:2:0, otherwise no matter the player it's going to look the same (as long as every player is color corrected)
Get something that's below your native res, even if it's a 1600x900 video
Obviously you can add shaders like sharpning and other crap and those are immediately noticeable
Aaron Miller
oh ok, thanks
Charles Ortiz
I'm having an issue where unless I either have fullscreen exlusive mode or use Direct3D 11 for presentation, my video hangs when I go full screen, and a memory leak happens.
Anyone have a similar issue and find a way to fix it? And in the mean time which would be better to use of the two options?
I'm on Windows 10 using the latest madVR with an AMD R9 380 on it's latest drivers.
I already have mpv downloaded, I just prefer madVR as I've used it longer.
Henry Rodriguez
There's no need for antiringing when scaling in sigmoidal light and using a ewa scaler Prolly a Win10 issue, you should open a ticket on the madVR issue tracker and ask on the madVR doom9 thread iirc the memory leak is an unresolved bug since late 2015
Gavin Nguyen
Just use Direct3D 11 for presentation what is the problem, it probably would be the best option.
Blake Davis
I noticed graphical corruptions when using it whilst showing video info on screen, so I was assuming it wouldn't be good to use. I would, but I'm too lazy to sign up to report it.
Lucas Hughes
>sigmoidal light >ewa scaler
Can you explain what these are and why they don't need anti ring?
Robert Anderson
I meant the corruptions occured whilst paused, so I guess it's not a big issue. If I'm using Direct3D 11 should I not use seperate device for presentation and DXVA?
Brandon Harris
Is haasn or somebody else smart here? Was wondering how I could use mpv as an audio player and image viewer.
Jason Sanchez
they still need ar though, but ar is crap.
Jayden Lewis
>but ar is crap. hence why I asked for a good value. I was wondering if a value like 0.3 would help a bit without causing any artifacts
Colton Price
input.conf for keybindings in the same folder as mpv.conf?
Oliver Jackson
idk, never used those.
Blake Thomas
nvm, it worked
Jose Adams
it will help a bit, but also cause a bit of artifacts...
Easton Howard
i think haasn's mpv.conf had some image viewer stuff in it, it's on his github
Parker Martinez
I've never seen any artefacts with madvr antiringing. This is the only top feature of madvr now since mpv reverse engineered everything else from madvr.
Gavin Cooper
Is frame interpolation still possible in mpv? What config would I need?
Hunter Nguyen
it works differently in madvr, but seems like no body cares about ar. another option is to use SSimSuperRes, if you don't like that it's sharp, reduce oversharp parameter.
Oliver Stewart
So why not extracting the antiring part and create another shader?
Jonathan Brown
From what?
David Hill
From SSimSuperRes.
Chase Nguyen
SSimSuperRes is ar + sharper
Easton Cooper
I know it but why not extracting the AR code from SSimSuperRes and create a new AR only shader?
Camden Gonzalez
because it still will be SSimSuperRes
Bentley Stewart
Do you mean it will be as slow as the original? No way to optimize it and turn it as AR only shader?
Jaxon Sullivan
nope
Jackson Turner
Is there a way to fix thumnails of files with mpv? With it set as the default player, some files correctly show a thumbnail of the video, whereas others just have a mpv logo as the thumbnail. Using WIndows.
tell me about ytdl-format option /mpv/... I currently have this: ytdl-format=18 Very happy with this option since it downloads fast and AVC is hardware accelerated which matters to me.
How do I add options for other sites that ytdl supports? For example, on Vimeo I prefer http-360p format. How do I add it to options so when I do mpv vimeo/.... it plays that format?
Joseph Wilson
Using video-sync=display-resample on the Judgement release of Ghost in the Shell causes weird behaviour. Looking at stats script, the AV correction goes nuts. It jumps erratically from 0.017 to -0.006 to 0.016 to -0.017 and you get the idea. It fills the video with judder and what looks like frame skipping or something. It's the only movie/video on my library that has this issue.
The niizk release works fine. I'm wondering if it's an mpv bug or encoding issue - and btw, the movie plays fine without video-sync
Jaxson Fisher
>>low mpv preset: this might be a stupid question but are these presets listed in OP built-in or are you suppose to add them to mpv.conf?
Jonathan Peterson
>wmv Kek
Carson Turner
Looking at this site, the guy who made that release is actually one of the mpv devs. Maybe ask him in IRC or something
Wyatt Turner
Are these stats good or not?
Owen Parker
Your computer is too shit, upgrade or get the fuck out.
Better than 99% of people in this thread so fuck off.
Ryder Campbell
Trying to swap from MPC to MPV but even with the insane MPV preset it can't even compare to MPC am I doing something wrong?
Current MadVR settings are just slightly higher than the insane preset.
mpv.conf is in %appdata%/mpv and I copied and pasted the preset. added the shaders to ~~/scripts/shadername.glsl
also how to stretching? I'm using a 21:9 monitor
Robert Parker
What about latest version?
Lincoln Murphy
ewa_lanczos is a very sharp scaler. You should read some of his explanations on this page for pros/cons of using every scaler. There's not one best scaler for anything. You always trade something for something else.
>Your computer is too shit, upgrade or get the fuck out. You know even if I use potato preset it still has the same judder problems
Evan Cook
windows? try opengl-backend=dxinterop or opengl-backend=win angle, which is default, doesn't work well with display-resample
Blake Thompson
I use dxinterop by default. Haven't tried win yet but I doubit it solvers the issue. Also never had major problems with display-resample using angle to be honest. Yes, the frame timings are huge and shit but there's no significant judder like what I'm getting here. I'll ask on mpv's irc
Nathaniel Cox
What scale do you use for upscaling 360p- 480p videos??
Zachary Campbell
>insane mpv preset >medium madvr preset
Noah Myers
>ewa_lanczossharp >chroma upscaling: catmull-rom + ar How do i set it to use that with upscaling only? Also madvr?
Jackson Martinez
Chroma mostly matters for non-upscaled videos. OP's preset is generalized for all video content.
Sebastian Carter
Still has chroma bleeding.
Levi Phillips
Do you mind posting your conf? I am gonna try to reproduce it.
Anyway, you don't need an account to download from a bakabt torrent link, also why are you choosing judgements version instead of nikkz?
Mason Howard
>tfw no new update for sourceforge builds >nightlys never I just want my bitbucket builds back
Alexander Nguyen
sourceforge builds is more likely weekly as you can see the date.
Elijah Allen
Why is your VSync Ratio a clean 5 but my VSync Ratio is like a weird uneven number all the time?
Leo Reyes
Because you need a better graphics card/better drivers. Stable V-Sync is required for you not to drop frames like crazy like you're doing. 1080p essentially not scaled should not be so expensive unless you're running nnedi3.
Christian Sanchez
>Do you mind posting your conf? I am gonna try to reproduce it. I'm currently not at home but from the top of my head it's more or less like this profile=opengl-hq opengl-backend=dxinterop interpolation tscale=oversample scale=ewa_lanczossharp cscale=ewa_lanczossharp dscale=catmull_rom video-sync=display-resample hwdec=no 3dlut-size=256x256x256 scaler-lut-size=10
> you don't need an account to download from a bakabt torrent link Oh I thought you did, honestly.
> why are you choosing judgements version instead of nikkz? Because the judgment release has better cropping, more vivd colors, less grain and it's half the size. I did watch the niizk version instead though but this issue is bothering me because it's literally the only video/movie that has this problem. Watching 1440p60fps videos on youtube is smooth as butter and 4K 30 fps videos without hwdec are also perfect without any dropped frames or judder, etc.
Noah Sanders
I don't see any obvious errors now. However, I would still say ewa_lanczossharp looks better in my opinion. In case anybody wants to know, the file is from bakabt. I'm just using it because it's the lowest resolution file I had.
Look at the ringing in the subs, I rendered them at video resolution and scaled the video with ewa_lanczossharp and scale-radius=8 to make the difference obvious.
Antiring manages to remove most of the ringing around and inside the subs without adding additional artifacts. At least I don't see them.
Well sure, I realize there is no perfect solution and that it's all subjective. I'm just basing it on the fact that the OP recommends ewa_lanczossharp for normal scaling, and that the manual says "If your hardware can run it, this is probably what you should use by default." for ewa_lanczossharp. If one is "better" for luma, then there is no reason to assume it isn't "better" for chroma as well, even if you're just judging subjectively. That can't be true, right? Even if you're upscaling a low res video, you still need to chroma as well. And you also need to scale chroma even if you're using yuv444.
Adam Torres
it has weird interlace like artifacts, probably because this video was ripped from a DVD using some crappy deinterlacer.
Brandon Morgan
When would you even have scale-radius at 8? And are you using blend-subtitles?
I've never had that problem, even when upscaling 480p subs to 1440p. But then again, I don't set scale-radius to 8.
Wyatt White
That might be true, but if that's the case then you'll see those artifacts on all screenshots. I'm just comparing screenshot to screenshot, which leads me to conclude that I prefer ewa_lanczossharp.
Thomas Harris
i think that was just for demonstration purposes
Jose Williams
>When would you even have scale-radius at 8?
Obviously never, the point was to prove that antiring in mpv is not adding a ton of artifacts.
Jayden Hernandez
How can you even tell which one is better without original 1440p image? Take some 1440p image, downscale it with mitchell and then compare upscaling to original.
Alexander Mitchell
Thanks, there's nothing else I need to enable right?
Christian Price
would berry
Ryan Peterson
Again, the point was to prove that antiring does not add additional artifacts compared to scaling the video without antiring. To compare that you only need the two upscales.
Jason Bailey
>Because the judgment release has better cropping, more vivd colors, less grain and it's half the size. I did watch the niizk version instead though but this issue is bothering me because it's literally the only video/movie that has this problem. Watching 1440p60fps videos on youtube is smooth as butter and 4K 30 fps videos without hwdec are also perfect without any dropped frames or judder, etc. >less grain I though more grain was better for older released shows?
Anyway, I'll just wait to you get home to test, but either way it's just this one file maybe try opening an issue on github?
A lot of people are also reporting minor problems with the file, so maybe is the file?
James Price
Actually nevermind after seeing the screenshots, I can see why you say is better.
Gavin Sanders
but I can see a lot of additional artifacts there
Jacob Collins
I can't see shit, so tell me exactly where is the anri-ringing most noticeable
Joshua Edwards
Not him, but can you point where? Because I can't see any either. The subs mate. There's an extra slightly darker line (also known as ringing) in the white part without anti-ringing.
Liam White
Alright, yeah I see it.
Are you using blend-subtitles? how about you turn it off?
Henry Cox
I am, but I'm not him like I said. Also, he said it's only an example to show that anti-ringing is working, and that there are no artifacts. It's irrelevant if he's using it, it's only to showcase.
Evan Powell
>but I can see a lot of additional artifacts there Please tell me where to look then, I don't care being proven wrong, but if every argument is only "it looks shit" or something similar, I have to assume it's just shitposting.
David Rogers
Anti-ringing is a smoother, so its artifacts would include smoothing out grain and fine detail. Even the default deband=yes has enough artifacts where I can go from seeing a difference on an imagemagick compare to being well below what I would notice because deband wiped out enough of the high-pass detail.
Adrian Myers
While I'm waiting for a test example to download, here's what happened with your example. The antiringing filter was good here - almost entirely isolated to the subtitles.
Jonathan Young
>so its artifacts would include smoothing out grain and fine detail. And I'm not seeing any of that.
Henry Peterson
But it also affects edges. I picked a 480p show with extremely soft edges.
>Anti-ringing is a smoother, so its artifacts would include smoothing out grain and fine detail. Well I assume it's masked, so only things that get detected as ringing are smoothed, the question is, how reliable that detection is. At least in my test image it does appear to work just fine.
>Even the default deband=yes has enough artifacts where I can go from seeing a difference on an imagemagick compare to being well below what I would notice because deband wiped out enough of the high-pass detail. Of course you will see a very clear difference when using deband. It's sole purpose is to alter the source and remove banding artifacts. Using debanding is always a tradeoff between smoothing gradients and preserving detail. Antiring on the other hand is designed to prevent adding additional artifacts, namely ringing, to the source.
Isaiah Morris
If you would know how ar is implemented in mpv you would know it can be shit, look at source code.
Thomas Thompson
I'm not really a programmer, so it would be nice if you could explain how mpv's method works, or at least what it does badly in your opinion.
Josiah Allen
To be honest, it's a bit pointless to just post an image that just displays the differences. That way nobody can tell if the things antiring altered were just ringing artifacts or really detail.
Jacob Collins
Why is madVR being supported?
Wyatt Hall
>anti-ringing does things! wew lad, thanks for the info.
Carter Morales
>And you also need to scale chroma even if you're using yuv444 But in this case scale is used to scale chroma too. Keep in mind that cscale is only used to scale chroma to the luma resolution of the source. If additional scaling is required scale is used.
Xavier Smith
That I didn't know. But what if you're using separate luma scalers like that nnedi3 prescaler?
Noah Price
At upscaling matters Luma, when there is no upscale - Chroma.
Charles Jones
It replaces pixel of upscaled image with the darkest/brightest pixel from the GROUP of nearby pixels of the source image if there is ringing, but that's not always the case, it can also damage pixels that have not been affected by ringing.
Michael Edwards
At upscaling matters Luma and Chroma
Kayden Perez
I'm fairly certain this isn't English. Also, how would chroma not matter if you're playing a non-native resolution yuv420 video? You still need to scale the chroma.
Blake Collins
Or, you know, you could use a softer shader if you're going to smooth it out anyway. There's plenty of other upscalers in filter_kernels.c.
And there's this nice picture to help you pick between some of them.
>Linking an image on an imageboard Also, I seriously doubt anti-ringing smooths out everything like a smoother shader would.
Christopher Richardson
Take for example a 720p video with 420 subsampling that is displayed in fullscreen at 1080p. Luma is initially 720p and chroma is initially 360p. First chroma is scaled to 720p with the scaler specified in cscale, then the whole image is scaled to 1080p with the scaler specified in scale.
Charles Sanchez
You should look at the other jinc scalers. They're really not that different from each other, but using one or the other pretty much solves your need of using anti-ringing. If you really don't want artifacts, use haasnsoft. ewa_lanczosharp is definitely going to cause some, while ewa_lanczossoft is in the middle of the two subjectively.
Hunter Ward
Okay sure. But the discussion was about how anti-ringing introduces a bunch of artifacts, but none of those artifacts have been posted. Personally I don't recognize any ringing in my videos, but if anti-ringing doesn't introduce any artifacts, then why not use it?
Camden Martin
Except it does according to how it's implemented:
The artifacts might not be perceptual, but that's pretty much the case with any reasonable scaler (even those that have blurry "artifacts") beyond bilinear assuming a limited upscaling factor. Both accomplish the intended goal of reducing without causing perceptual artifacts.
Levi Cox
*smoothening
Carson Fisher
Theory =/= practice. If there are artifacts, just post an example. The artifacts aren't perceptual because they don't exist. I'd rather have a filter that only elimates ringing artifacts when there's ringing, as opposed to choosing a more smooth scaler to just smooth everything out.
>Except I did up here. That's not an example of the artifacts, that's an example of what anti-ringing does. But thanks for finally posting an example, I'll try and see if I can actually notice them or not.
Logan Johnson
Sorry, the first 2 are paired with diff8b, and the second 2 are paired with the first 0x0.st one.
Sebastian Fisher
How's that not an example of artifacts? AR shouldn't be doing anything to those images because there's pretty much nothing but grain, but the differences prove there are changes. And as I said before, these aren't perceptual.
Lincoln Powell
what ar value are you using?
Evan Clark
>How's that not an example of artifacts? Because it only shows what the anti-ringing does. Without reference you can't tell if it's working there when there is actual ringing (in which case there wouldn't be artifacts), or if it's working there when there isn't actual ringing (in which case it would be artifacts). Also, the actual artifacts that show up don't appear as colour coded pixels.
>AR shouldn't be doing anything to those images because there's pretty much nothing but grain How were we supposed to know that? At the time of posting obviously, not now because now we can compare the actual artifacts.
>And as I said before, these aren't perceptual. You didn't actually say these weren't perceptual, you said artifacts in general might not be perceptual, which is obvious. If these aren't perceptual, then I don't think they're good examples of artifacts, because how bad are artifacts if you literally can't see them? Talking in direct comparison of screenshots obviously. And I don't see any reason to believe these aren't good examples until I'd see better examples.
Liam Powell
And as a similar example. This is the diff between deband=yes and deband=no.
I can't even remember which one is which of these, but I remember I turned deband on for just one of them.
Pretty much, our eyes suck at detecting artifacts, even if there's a ton of it.
Jacob Jones
Chroma doesnt matter much. Chroma layer has little to no role in quality when you upscale something. Thats why its generally recommended to use higher Luma settings instead of chroma when upscaling something.
Bentley Perez
Not much =/= not at all. I'm saying upscaling chroma matters at least as much for a native resolution yuv420 video, as it does for a non-native resolution yuv420 video. You or at least the previous posts seem to disagree with that.
Leo Mitchell
The difference here is, although computable, imperceptible. In fact the changes are so slight that it would be very hard to prove that changing those pixels wasn't the "correct" thing to do.
On the contrary, the positive aspects of of antiring are easily visible on very sharp edges.
>How's that not an example of artifacts? AR shouldn't be doing anything to those images because there's pretty much nothing but grain, but the differences prove there are changes. Not every artifact that sharp scalers cause that very distinct ringing pattern. There will a lot of pixels that are too dark or too bright. And it is hard to say whether antiring does the right or wrong thing in your examples.
Nathan Sanders
Im a simple man, i know the basics. Chroma channel applies to all videos and matters the most when there is no upscaling. Luma channel is most important when upscaling is happening. Those are the facts. Im not arguing with anybody.
Lincoln Long
>Chroma channel ... matters the most when there is no upscaling. Compared to what? Because I assumed compared to chroma channel when there is upscaling, is this right or did you mean compared to luma with not upscaling?
Kayden Moore
>Can you ABX the difference between these 2? I believe so yes, I think the first one is banded, the second on is debanded. There are slight differences mainly in the background structure.
Lucas Cooper
Is antiring positive though? It's essentially a low-pass filter targeted at high frequency data.
People see removing ringing as positive, debanding as positive, sharper images as positive, smoothing as bad, and value chroma information far less than luma information because all but the last one are preferences, not objective improvements. Even when many of these subjective improvements substantially alters the original image objectively ( ) it is generally imperceptible to people in general.
It is hard to say if debanding did the right or wrong thing in the example I provided earlier. Either way, it still did something, though imperceptible. Antiring also does something imperceptible to the image, even when it's difficult to say if it should have done it at all.
Finally, if you were the guy who was worrying about using targeted AR with a sharper shader was worse or better than using it with a naive shader than smooths all the pixels, it's imperceptible as well. And the differences of using the naive shader and a sharper one with AR are all clustered around edges only, which means unsurprisingly that the naive shader only changes edges to reduce ringing.
>People see removing ringing as positive, debanding as positive, sharper images as positive, smoothing as bad, and value chroma information far less than luma information because all but the last one are preferences, not objective improvements. Not me, I see it as an improvement because it goes against artifacts, which are by definition unwanted extra visual data.
Ayden Bell
Been having problems with streams stuttering, using youtube-dl. This wasn't happening when I streamed to firefox, so I reinstalled livestreamer to see how it would handle it. To my surprise it streams perfectly, just like firefox.
Is this a known issue with youtube-dl, or have I just broken something?
Nathan Hill
youtube-dl wasn't designed for streaming
Carson Jackson
>(haasnsoft) stop this right now
Connor Cook
Alright, so it's not on my end at least. I can live with that.
Bentley Bell
Chroma is only scaled 2x even if you're watching a 360p video on a 2160p monitor (whereas luma would be scaled 6x)
Carter Gray
>People see removing ringing as positive, debanding as positive, sharper images as positive, smoothing as bad, and value chroma information far less than luma information because all but the last one are preferences, not objective improvements.
No, I don't like sharpening. I dislike it. I personally use haasnsoft, debanding and antiringing.
Ryan Bell
Glad to see all this autistic mpv only club shitposting is finally in one circlejerk
you guys need a pastebin tho
Wyatt Bell
>haasnsoft >antiringing
Hudson Brown
:))
Lucas Perez
I think you're wrong, or are saying something you don't actually mean. I'm assuming chroma will be doubled to bring it in line with luma, but then it would still be scaled just with the same luma scaler. And not a lot of videos are going to be a quarter of your monitor's resolution, like chroma is in most videos (compared to luma).
Adam Bell
>A friend can betray you, but an enemy will always stay the same. Free and opensource software has nothing to do with this madshi's monstrosity.
Lucas Campbell
Let demolish this stupid big castle!
Colton Perez
MPV is not even close to be a threat to madvr yet. It is just linuxtards have no choice but to use it because madvr isnt there.
Cooper White
>MPV is not even close to be a threat to madvr yet
Optimized code, daily releases, proper color management and more shows that mpv is already more sophisticated than any other gay video player. You can even use it as an image viewer or music player thanks to the functionality.
Blake Roberts
Are you fucking retarded? Most of mpv users are winfags.
Grayson Reyes
>This is the only top feature of madvr now since mpv reverse engineered everything else from madvr. What did mpv reverse engineer from madVR?
Connor Green
Pretty sure he's talking about the old NNEDI3 and Superxbr shaders that used to be included with mpv, but the developers didn't reverse engineer those lol, not even close. They removed those several months ago though because separate user shaders are superior and allow more flexibility.
Levi White
>it works differently in madvr, but seems like no body cares about ar. Funny thing is madshi actually described the madVR AR algorithm to me in an e-mail, I just didn't find it made any visible difference compared to the more naive algorithm mpv uses.
Blake White
>wmv Sounds like it's either an encoding issue or an issue with how ffmpeg decodes wmv
Leo Parker
Can you upload a 10-second clip (make one with ffmpeg -c copy or something)
Ryan Perez
Also, it would help if you played for 10 seconds or so (or however long it takes to observe the issue happening) using --dump-stats=FILE and uploaded the resulting file somewhere.
Charles Flores
Ignore him, pretty sure he's just parroting bullshit. Your issue is clearly file-specific, and has nothing to do with your PC's specs
Christian Sanders
Looks good
Ryder Walker
>And you also need to scale chroma even if you're using yuv444. False, 4:4:4 has the luma and chrome planes the same size and aligned.
Jayden James
I assumed (wrongly) that it would scale scale the chroma separately still. Technically it still needs to be scaled, but I guess it just scales together with luma then.
Leo Collins
scale scales RGB
Landon Perry
How the fuck did you get your Vsync Jitter and Frame Timings that low.
You have to be using the worst settings I swear to fucking god.
James Brown
>Take some 1440p image, downscale it with mitchell and then compare upscaling to original. Won't that just give you the upscaler that best inverses the effect of mitchell?
Nathan Rivera
Link to stream
Charles Hughes
I see absolutely no difference between the two
Nolan Moore
>Can you ABX the difference between these 2? They look absolutely identical to me
Robert Wright
I again see absolutely no difference between those two images. Shouldn't haasnsoft cause a far more noticeable difference? On my end it's significantly blurrier
Jayden Davis
>I think you're wrong, or are saying something you don't actually mean. Maybe you're misreading my post?
>I'm assuming chroma will be doubled to bring it in line with luma, but then it would still be scaled just with the same luma scaler. That's pretty much what happens, yes.
For a 360p video, the chroma plane would only be 180. So the chroma scaler would first bring this up to 360p (2x scaling), and then the combined video would be scaled to 2160p using the general scaler (6x scaling).
Which is exactly what I said, so I'm not sure how we're disagreeing
Owen Diaz
It's to high >0.5
Hunter Roberts
Do people not see a difference? Look at the edges. Haasnsoft is obviously softer and doesn't have as much artifacting.
Camden Perez
>That's pretty much what happens, yes. In which case technically chroma is still scaled together with the luma.
>For a 360p video, the chroma plane would only be 180. So the chroma scaler would first bring this up to 360p (2x scaling), and then the combined video would be scaled to 2160p using the general scaler (6x scaling). > >Which is exactly what I said No it isn't. You said previously that chroma would only be scaled 2x, not 2x and then 6x. But this is all semantics and very autistic, so I'm not going to argue about this anymore. I guess it's very possible that what I'm saying is actually technically incorrect as well.
Charles Perry
Neither NNEDI3 nor superxbr were reverse engineered from madVR as you say,
NNEDI3 was made in C(?) by tritical, ported to OpenCL by SEt, then ported to HLSL by the MPDN people, and finally ported to GLSL by bjin
superxbr was made in HLSL by Hylian, ported to GLSL by bjin and then later reimplemented in GLSL by haasn
Neither were taken from madVR or madshi's code. (Although I think madshi did contribute to the MPDN version of NNEDI3)
Jason James
Nice, I got a 10-second clip from the author of that file
Can confirm that it happens, but it seems like an issue with the audio track, not the video track. (Also, playing with --no-audio fixes it)
Hunter Morales
>No it isn't. You said previously that chroma would only be scaled 2x, not 2x and then 6x. The point is that the scaler you specified using ‘cscale’ only does 2x scaling
Noah Foster
thanks for doing that, was about to try it. So it's definitely an issue with the release, correct?
Bentley Evans
Can anyone share a config that replaces the current OSD with a bar on the bottom? I've seen some screenshots of people using this around here before
Blake Gray
osc-layout=bottombar
Luis Bennett
Just any chaturbate stream. It will play for a couple seconds, then stop for a couple seconds, repeat. Twitch streams are fine, and I haven't tested any other livestreams.
Ian Peterson
Wait, youtube-dl can play chaturbate streams? Do I just need to pass the URL?
David Sullivan
>Optimized code, daily releases You did not see madvr code and from what we seen its not any slower at the same settings than mpv. Madvr is pretty much perfect except of very few bugs maybe, it doesnt need a new release every day. >proper color management Madvr does not have it? >any other gay video player. Madvr is not a video player, dumbass. Are you fucking retarded? Most of mpv users are freetards.
Angel Ward
Yep. You can also let ytdl output to a file, and mpv will happily play the file too. Livestreamer supports chaturbate too.
Henry Parker
it's playing fine here, no noticeable stutter
James Myers
I thought it was only me doing this. I think they changed something on their end because this started like a week ago out of nowhere.
Levi Walker
Just tried chaterbate and worked fine.
I used mpv then the url not youtube-dl btw
Nicholas Gomez
btw it seems a lot better now than last week, for a few days I could barely watch anything on there because it was so fucked up.
Also if anyone knows how to watch myfreecams with mpv please let me know.
Landon Sullivan
Hmm. Guess I won't be sleeping tonight then. Thanks tho
That's what I thought, because this only started happening the other day. But livestreamer works despite not being updated in over a year.
Both ways give me the save problem, unfortunately
Gavin Hernandez
I thought youtube-dl was for actually downloading and the mpv command streams content. Thats how its always worked for me. And I just tried it 1 min ago.
Sebastian Parker
>But what if you're using separate luma scalers like that nnedi3 prescaler? I decided to make this image of how images flow through vo_opengl to help explain what gets scaled, where, by what, and why
Suggestions welcome
Cameron Moore
Are you for real? How about you educate yourself first then make retarded images like that...?
Blake Flores
...
Kevin Fisher
Why did you crop that ass?
Lincoln Garcia
The scaler used for this step depends on the type of plane. (Luma planes get scaled by --scale, chroma planes get scaled by --cscale), so I put it on the arrow
Maybe there would be a better way to represent that?
That's for cases when you want to watch only Luma channel or what? Why would you need to scale luma?
Cooper Powell
>I thought youtube-dl was for actually downloading and the mpv command streams content. Thats how its always worked for me. And I just tried it 1 min ago. youtube-dl supports more and more livestreams/streaming websites
Carter Taylor
Is there any reason to use MPV over MPC-HC on Wangblows?
Jeremiah Nelson
Why dont you do some research yourself? Not only will you find the right answer because you know what you want out of a player, but you will also learn how to use your own mind ;)
Nathaniel Murphy
the answer is "no" then thanks
Ayden Turner
You're welcome
Good luck in life
Logan Nguyen
> comparing life to asking a question about media players on 4 leaves
Brody Garcia
It's for hypothetical cases. For example, you could imagine a situation where the chroma plane is actually bigger than the luma plane (which would be possible to accomplish for a user hook).
I actually thought mpv always used the biggest plane as the reference, but it actually uses the first “rgb or xyz or luma” plane as reference. My mistake on that part, I've corrected it. (And also added some more explanations where appropriate)
Adam James
>wanting everything to be spoonfed in life
Got to grow up sometime
Nicholas Torres
I mean, MPV is not really the most popular player out there, and this is a thread for it, and he is asking about it.
Are you pretending to fit in?
Evan Morgan
So give him your unbiased answer
Kevin Clark
Is it worth it to dering the source before scaling?