Why in God's name is this allowed?

There's also the pentalobe

sparfix.fr/6134-thickbox_default/mini-tournevis-5-point-pentalobe-0-8-etoile-pour-iphone-4-4s-5.jpg

> tfw

More surface area touching screw = better distribution of rotational force

He also forgot the common Pozidriv (Ikea and many others use that).

There are plebs that try to use Philips with these, but that's obviously wrong.

I bought an ifixit kit for around 60 euro. Works pretty good

Fuck me

post you're tools
> got pic related for $17, it's chink shit, but just werks

WHY IS THIS ALLOWED

i dont really care anymore because i have tools for all of them. will probably never use some of them but its good to have them.

Then why don't people just use spherical screwdrivers? Spheres have the greatest surface area

Could be said for any standard really. They love ruining things.

Frearson is actually better than Phillips because you don't have to squeeze the screwdriver like you're trying to stab your piece of equipment. Fuck Phillips.

>Slot heads are the fucking worst

They exist for aesthetic reasons.
Mainly for woodwork where it just looks nicer than a more complex screw head.
(Robertson looks aesthetic too though)

Using Philips in 2018 is just retarded.
Cam out serves no purpose whatsoever with modern tools, and can cause stripping and even damage.

there's like a zillion specialty fastener drives out there, stop 'showing off' by listing ones you randomly seem to be aware of as if OP actually made the picture

>slot fully compatible with Phillips
I don't see a problem. Just buy flat screwdrivers.
>torx
Garbage

Almost half of these are redundant.

just use Phillips driver on Frearson and press down harder, niggers :^)

>as in whether a head is designed to make a tool slip out when it exceeds specified stress or not
Phillips is the only one of those designed to do that. Which would be okay if they didn't use those goddamned cuck screws literally everywhere. I'd be a rich man if I had a buck for every time I've had to deal with a reamed-out phillips head because of that design being used where the camming-out wasn't needed or desireable, when it could have been easily avoided with torx, flathead, allen, or whatever.

Not just that, but there's also the so-called "security screws" that purposely use uncommon heads to prevent people from being able to easily open them. Most people have some Phillips and maybe some Robertson screwdrivers, probably some Allen keys rattling around a junk drawer somewhere, but a secure Torx? Tri-wing? Not so much. Nintendo, in particular, has long been a fan of these.

With Frearson you also don't need a different screwdriver/bit for every different size screw.

Fuck Philips indeed.

>one size fits all
Except it doesn't. You will hurt your screw heads this way.

>slotted
shit to drive
looks classy as fuck

>phillips
shit to drive
looks like cheap shit

>allen
usually good to drive (shit for softer metals)
looks good with some styles

>torx
excellent to drive
looks hideous

>robertson
canadian cancer garbage, shears immediately upon force not being applied perfectly parallel with screw axis regardless of material

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>>slot fully compatible with Phillips

No.
No no no no.
You can NOT be this retarded on Cred Forums

it's hard for me to express how much i hate fucking phillips screws

>They exist for aesthetic reasons.

That's what plugs are for, cocksmith.

Used it for years, retard. Literally no issues.

Why do they do this? Wouldn't 6 identical screws make the whole product cheaper? At least to manufacture, not to sell.

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>literally lying

>cocksmith
Are you just sticking random words together and mashing post, hoping that the result is a non-childish looking insult?

He meant surface area perpendicular to the radius only counted in the direction of rotation.. but explaining that would be too much to type for a shit post.

literally everyone here has had to find a flathead driver of the right size to fit into a phillips head that's gotten stripped by that designed-to-cam-out garbage. If you can't bear down with all your weight on the screwdriver, that's the only way to extract a phillips screw after this inexcusably common failure mode.

>thinking I care about convincing you

>where the camming-out wasn't needed or desireable

Which is always.

Camming out was needed in early electric tools, which didn't have a clutch and could burn out when fighting against too much resistance.
But they don't make tools like that for a very, very long time, and nobody still uses them.

if everything would be torx, life would be good. i'd accept allen too, if it would be a single standard

how did philips become a standard computer screw is beyond me

Yea, there's more than:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives

But if you take OP to be a complaint about what you randomly need to use at home (not on a job) it's basically more or less straight, philips, pozidriv, hex, square, torx.

If anything else is used, it's probably not even intended that you touch it.

>he's never heard of a cocksmith

Are you 12?

>blocks your path

That doesn't make it "fully compatible"

He's clearly thinks Philips is one of these.

Yay Dollar Tree

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>swastika screw

This should be the default screw head design to be used in all cases unless there is a very good reason not to (like needing a flush finish).

>less common
>robertson
>not shown
>Pozidrive

2/10 never worked in the real world

Robertson is objectively the worst

>tri wing

>no gamebits
Gamebits are the fucking worst.

OP clearly meant:
>superior screws are less common than shit screws - why is this allowed.

Pozidriv is medium good and medium common.
It's not very relevant to the debate.

*blocks you're screwdriver*

i dont think ive ever come across a stripped robertson. only logical choice imo

Slot - OpenBSD, the screwdriver has a billion uses except turning slot screws, I use one for breaking the vacuum in jars a hundred times for every slot screw I even see.
Philips - Mac/Windows, you see it everywhere, it kinda works and is terrible.
Allen - Linux, you'll only ever encounter it on furniture and forget it exists.
Torx - Gentoo, once you get over its brutality it does what you want and gets you pizza and hookers.
Robertson - Arch.

Confirmed for never actually using robertson.
Literally the best driver type.
Quadrex are best screws since they allow cucks that only have phillips to remove them if needed.

Pozidriv is fine but deprecated in the face of Robertson and Quadrex. Even cabinetmakers tend to use Pozisquare now since it's the equivalent of Quadrex for Robertson+Pozidriv

i thought that these things are glued now

What's the point of torx security?

I guess.
The idea that Robertson is bad which some people in this thread are implying is inherently wrong, Robertson is the best.

Philips heads have been made redundant with Pozidrive, but they're so ubiquitous that they're not going anywhere

Phillips is total aids. It's the only type that frequently rounds off in my experience.

You can't put a flathead in it and get the screw out.

they are all T5 torx, just different length because it's probably "ultra" thin

Stops kids and vandals from opening up (potentially dangerous) devices using improvised tools.
I notice they use them a lot in public transport for example, probably to stop the general public from unscrewing access hatches.

Start using the right size bit and stop over torquing the screw

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this. phillips slides off way too easily and makes the cross become a hole in just a few failed attempts even if the screw is made of fucking diamonds

Secure torx is an easy fix, insert some object (slot driver works well), break off the useless pin with ease, use regular torx.

This.

If you use the right size bit, Philips won't strip 99% of the time.
Although there is still a risk of cam-out when using power tools, so don't go full throttle.

link?

You are like little baby.

So manufacturers can sell bits and specialized drivers for each type and take more of your money.

lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-51-Piece-Screwdriver-Bit-Set/1000365841
I think I paid $15 around Father's Day

So you're in the garage and this guy comes up to your toolbox and slaps your screwdriver, then fastens it to concrete, what do you do?

drill

flatheads are deprecated, philips and allen are the norm the orhers are just here to fuck with you, the customer.

Get the drill

A large flathead screwdriver is still one of the most useful and versatile tools you can have

If you think that's bad, take a look at the fucking 2016+ machines, they have T2's or T3's, and a lot of them!

i dont know what the real world is to you, maybe machining or something

but in 8 years of general contractor carpentry i think ive used posidrive screws maybe 5 times

robertson is incredibly common though, despite it being objectively trash

>two worst standards (slot/flat and philips) happen to be the most common
fucking WHY

You're just Canadian.

The rest of the world uses Pozidriv.
I have literally never seen a Robertson screw in my life, I only know about its existence thanks to Cred Forums.

If you dont have to pay for your own bits and can go through like 3 or 4 a day Robertson is fine. A lot of shit at my job uses these horrid phillips/robertson hybrids that can fit both, but just either end up stripping the shit out of Robetson bits or the phillips bits just strip the fuck out of the screw.

Although I'm all for just sticking with what we have now, even if it may not be 100% optimal, because people going "this is the ultimate screw drive, it will soon become the new standard!" is how we got into this mess in the first place, and will only make it worse.

How often do you need to unscrew something?

For construction I would always use the latest and greatest screws.
Let the demolition crew deal with it 300 years from now I'll be long dead lol.

Why isn't pozi on there? Everyone confuses it with Philips, but it's far superior.

Nope. Pozi is what you have almost all the time. You just don't realise and think it's philips. Incorrectly.

>it's only about profit
Capitalism is more efficient than communism as well.

Is be willing to bet so your Philips screws are actually pozi.

Nobody in the uk came then pozi either, it's always spoken as Philips, but you can barely buy a true Philips screw if you try. They were just replaced overnight, years ago. Lol

I work maintenance I fucking hate everything other than Robertson. I'm slowly replacing everything with Robertson. Also fuck Torx but fuck Phillips more.

>how did Philips become a standard computer screw is beyond me
Screws had a standard long before computing had a need for one.

>you can barely buy a true Philips screw if you try.

Not true at all.

Wall screws normally have a Pozidriv head.
But metal screws pretty much always still have Philips heads for some retarded reason.

The ultimate fastening method

The thing is that regular Phillips can still bypass those with a bit of effort..

Grub screws are top tier

If "greatest surface area" means "smallest surface/volume ratio.

no im in the US and those filthy leaf robertsons are fucking everywhere

I've seen plenty of these.

No he's saying you're an expert at working with cock. You have perfected many techniques through years of learning and experience. I've seen you handle 5 at one time better than I can one. Be proud. Not too many people are able to reach that level of expertise.

Apple uses torx and tri-wing

>people actually buy more than a single slot screwdriver
>not making every screw slotted with a dremel

Security torx? More like security cux.

How fat are you?

>he doesn't know what torx is
Why even post?

It is six identical screws at different lengths because the chassis varies as well

I don't really see what my weight has to do with anything. If anything you're the fat cunt for pointing it out

Probably not as fat as you.

Why so impostor?

my surface had one of the smallest bullshit torx screws i've ever seen for the display and battery conectors. fucking T3!!! i had a lot of torx's and even apple bendalobe and tri-wing but i had to go out and specifically buy a set that went all the way down to T3

I think he means pentalobe

Shut up phlegmchucker.

Shut up fatso.

don't forget to mkfs.fat -F32 you fat shit

Because god is a chubby manlet on a tiny planet, living with a monkey and a bug.

>2018 gender chart

>Doesn't know how to use a screwdriver
>strips retard-proof robertson

>Capitalism
>Efficiency
Pick one

Apple don't use Torx dipshits.

6 != 5

gamebits is just the common name for that 5 node security bullshit because it's only console manufacturers that bothered to use it

It's the most efficient system we have.
It's still shit, but no one came up with anything better.

>5 node security
how is that security
that looks so easy to jam something in and simply twist

Communism. Actual post-scarcity communism, not the failed bullshit.

Torx is actually fucking awesome.

It's shit like slot or Philips that are garbage. I don't even dignify "security" types by mentioning them.

I don't give 10 years for your communes to turn into corporations.

>2018
>Using anything other than square drive

Seriously? It is objectively the best head by almost every metric.

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Looks like someone hasn't tried circle drive.

wrong board
this is not Sharingan thread

Life is a hell specifically designed just for us.

>t.cocksmith

did you rike it?

huh, that explains half the stripped screws all over my home.

Ew... Those screws were used on VHS?

For every smart-ass screw exists a drill.

>robertson
>less common

SCREW MY LIFE INTO PIECES, THIS IS MY LAST RE-TORQUE. FREARSON, NO PHILIPS DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF I STRIP MY PHILIPS FLAT HEAD

Screw it up
(Screw me up inside)
Can't screw up
(Stripped my screw inside)

bunch of screwballs ITT

>Can't screw up
>(Stripped my screw inside)

>>torx
>Garbage

oh well I guess since it's garbage I'll never need to open a device made by someone who chose to use torx screws where I have no control over the matter.

>Muh OC DONUT STEAL sharingans

Someone used it so it isn't garbage? That is a stupid argument.

this little bastard is preventing me from shucking a hard drive from an old dvr
this is probably the worst screw i’ve ever encountered myself

Look at this kit, Cred Forums. You know you want it. You'll never need to buy another bit again (until Apple releases the iPhone XX).

First one looks like a fucking Beyblade.

just cut that fucker off, it's not hard.

I forgot I have a rotary tool that doesn’t suck now, I’ll give that a try

I know the feels.

>applel

>this shitty triangle shaped ones from McDonald's toys
I cannot understand why the fuck they used shit like that

>2018
>the world has not changed over to robertson yet
Shame

Where's Hex?

Listed as allen wrench

This is not ok

>you're tools
no I'm not

First one of the second row is literally a Pokeball.

Used to hate torx, but I've seen so many philips heads go to shit and not a single torx go bad. Also everybody has torx now so it became less of a problem/annoyance.

So philips heads are designed to break by prerounding the corners in the middle? What stupid idiot thought this was a good idea?

Why not just use nails for everything?

i love you user

go for a run you disgusting piece of shit

Fat people are selfish pieces of shit who are eating the world's resources because they can't control themselves.

funny because torx is actually the best one.

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apple also is starting to drop torx and triwing for mortorq

Are you going to use nails to hold your aluminum bicycle together?

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Slot is fine.
Phillips is fucking cancer and people who use it should be raped to death
Allen is great on hard metals
Never had an issue with torx
Robertson is fucking cancer

I'm a little bit pissed off that the concept of "square hole on a surface that turns when you put a square stick into it and twist" is NAMED after somebody. who the fuck is "robertson" exactly? why isn't there a more general term for this?

Looks like a nintendo security bit. Get a plastic bic pen, pull out the tip/ink tube, and melt the tip with a lighter or something. Smush the tip into the screw while it's hot and let it cool, you've now got a very fragile screwdriver.

Muh dick.

I love torx and I wish every company used them with everything. I'm yet to come across a torx screw that's impaired useless compared to slotheads or phillips headed screws which become useless with one tightening.

I have a nice torx set, flat/Phillips and Allen set but no cunt is going to have a Robertson bit

You could just nail 2 nails together so they hold from opposite sides.

Plus posi, plus JIS

Looks eezy. Small lockjaw pliers maybe?

Phillips head strips too easy, Slot slips too easy. Allen wrench was made for assembly lines, they are sturdy and hardly slip. The design was later refined into Torx. Torx is true perfection.
The rest are because of patents and other such gay bullshit.

This desu

Go back to Canada, you have no idea what you're talking aboot.

Spoke like a man from /diy/. Heed his wise words, anons.

phillips and allen wrench are by far the worst

they wear out all the fucking time

It's a great, cheap, disposable mini pry bar.

Torx is wave of the future for nearly every use case. Roberson is good but doesn't do well for small heads in stuff like electronics. And in big applications the 90 degree angle gets awkward for wrench.

My main beef with torx is that they need to space out the size categories more so that you aren't even tempted to try to use a close-but-wrong size driver. The rest is just familiarity and waiting for Phillips and Allen to die.

Thanks god I only need one flat screwdriver to unscrew 90% of this shit

They're used for deck screws in the USA. Fine in that application. In my area we are switching to torx for those too.

If that guy is a general contractor in the US, he probably builds a lot of decks. He can't help if his industry has a shitty standard. Though he can switch to bro-tier torx.

>Never use the right bit
>Constantly screwing up and have to buy again
>Not all that good to begin with

More like Ponzi drive, amirite?

I'm going to take a flying leap and guess that you're a kid and have no exposure to the real world.

Post scarcity just means, "in the future everyone will be able to easily get everything that I, from my current perspective, think they will want."

A 19th century asshole failed academic activist writing impenetrable theory while squatting in an attic would think that the 1980s are a post scarcity world.

Resources are limited. Even if you could make physical matter "free", time space and labor are not nor ever will be.

Also, Communism is a system based entirely on coercive power. The coordinating function of an economy requires hierarchy and tradeoffs. If you eliminate competing hierarchies, then you have the corruption, abuses of power, inefficiency, and incompetence of your "failed that's-retroactively-not-REALLY-socialist" systems. And exerting dominance over your fellow humans is the ultimate limited resource. That's why those systems fail: it's a necessary fundamental flaw in all Marxist (statist) systems.

You could build a "Communism" based on voluntarism, small decentralized hierarchies, and personal choice. But then you've reinvented the free market (what Marx called an ideology an labelled as Capitalism is just marxist jargon for what naturally happens when you have free choice).

it does not work most of the time unless you have the perfect flat head and its not scued to tight to much

SAVEEEE MEEEEE

post the best head type

I haven't seen any good ones yet

It is really efficient at producing goods.
It was hugely useful after communism, but it's starting to show its faults.
>at one point the increase of productivity is gonna cause labor prices to crash
>we are gonna run out of materials
>automation

>b-b-but it wasn't real communism

I like the JIS more but what exactly does your picture mean?

Human.

Very clever, you Mongolian

>tfw unironically Mongolian face

There's nothing wrong with that.

Why

other kind of secure

Why is what allowed?
Different screwdriver heads?
The more contact area, the less likely it is to break the screwdriver or the screw.
Torx is therefore the best for most cases, especially things that is outdoors.

I have the same one from amazon.