If you're looking for purchase advice, state your budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance). Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™ E and L Series for plebs A series is now T/X approved for economy
>>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
Why ThinkPad? >>Used machines are plentiful and cheap >>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet >>Great durability: recommended models has a chassis that uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels >>Utilitarian design: 7 row keyboard layout on older models >>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop >>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain >>TrackPoint the original and best Pointing stick, great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad >>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support
General Question: I'm fairly normie in my computing needs as a professional student so I apologize for being a fucking retard. I've had my T420 running Windows 7 for a couple years now. I can't see myself going back to buying shitty fucking laptops from Dell or Acer anymore and I am in love with the styling and functionality of the modern models from around 2011.
My question is: how long will I be able to keep this up? When will T420's and the like become too obsolete, or when will Windows 7 become defunct?
Jayden Lee
Officially Windows 7 is ending support in 2020, but there might be some tweaks done to where it is supported later, like how M$ did with XP POS Ready.
Windows 10 generally works OK for Sandy and Ivy Bridge machines, however since W10 is supposedly going to be the last Windows OS, who knows if there will be an update where they drop support for older CPUs and GPU systems.
It just depends on software vendors if they want to support an old system or not, thats when I believe computers will be deemed obsolete. Who knows how long sandy bridge machines will last, unless AMD or Intel introduce a new sort of processor, I doubt SD will die within 10 years.
Austin Perez
If I need windows by then I'll just use wine or hope that react os has made it to windows 7 magically
Brody Walker
>discord
Thomas Ross
what is a good thinkpad for 100-150 that is not total low in power?
Parker Roberts
t420s with a few simple mods
Jaxson Jenkins
T430
Chase Murphy
(You)
Parker White
not him but it makes me so fucking mad when I see the obnoxious roblox tier memes upon launching the application. I hate discord but have to use it.
Elijah Murphy
Bought a non functional T420 for cheap so I can change its parts and resell it but I stumbled upon this screw. Tried the usual rubber band method but it's too tight.
Is it ok if I force it? How strong is the frame?
Ethan Mitchell
>ReactOS Thats some wishfull thinking there.
Mason King
it would be magic wouldn't it
Daniel James
Brah, zoom out. If anything its holding the keyboard bezel or keyboard Forcing it out will strip small grommet or whatever its using, So it should be ok, I don't know if it secures a part of the chassis, because its so zoomed in.
Jaxson Davis
They're doing a lot of things right regarding what a chat program should be but discord would be significantly improved if they dropped the whole XDD GAYMUR MEMES LUL schtick.
Jayden Lopez
It's actually one of the two bottom screws.
Luke Garcia
Should I buy an X250 for $450? It's IPS and has an SSD and 8Gb of RAM
What is the general consensus about the newest thinkpad line, the current year models you can buy on lenovo's site? Are they as good as the old ones?
Blake Brooks
I'm only regurgitating what other people have said about them >no removable processors >thin so probably bad cooling -> throttling >no removable batteries I think those are the dealbreakers
Nathan Jackson
You're cool but fuck your discord
Brandon Brown
Ok thats a lot better, thanks. For the T420? I am thinking it is the palmrest, I don't think its the chassis... best of luck, i would think it would break off internally, but there is a chance it goes to the exterior you see and might not set correctly when putting it back together.
Probs can work... just see what the warranty is.
Define old ones
I like them, then again I like a lot of thinkpads.
Elijah Bell
You forgot to link to the previous thread ()
Ryder Murphy
>New t series is $2000 >still uses intel thinkpads are dead rip laptops
Since that's the only one I could find that's near me
Hunter Price
It would be the best day of my life. Fuck I would donate a shit ton of money if ReactOS could start running every thing.
Ethan Powell
I haven't donated yet because >college but I definitely support their efforts
Henry Lewis
Where do you lads buy your thinkpads? Ebay?
Colton Rivera
yep
Landon Barnes
Is getting 1600x900 on a t430 worth it? The price seems to up from 160-180 to 330 for roughly the same upgrades
Joshua Campbell
Just get the 900p LCD cable and the Alienware Panel.
Kayden Morgan
where did you get the rare trackpoint my dude? this one I've only ever found the one that unicomp sells but it's red and not gray.
Carter White
Got a new T440s, pretty slick compared to the old toughbook I had. Our IT guy is a fool and overspending like crazy.
Jason Brown
My ThinkPad charger broke and it'll take two weeks for a new one to arrive. Thankfully I managed to fully charge my X230 9-cell before it broke. Unfortunately, I have to use my X230 sparingly because two weeks is still too long for 9-cell.
Wat do Cred Forums? How will I'll be able to shitpost now? Hell, the time it took typing this post I already lost 1%
Anthony Taylor
Don't you have a phone or a desktop?
Carter Ward
>not recommending the *40 series where you can be hands on in upgrading trackpad to and screen >not recommending x220/t420 but why...?
Dominic Jones
I got it from a fellow giving away a few 770's, gave some extra loot, not sure if they were unofficial or not, but I think it was made during the 2000 era.
Ayden Ross
Why isn't the W500 a recommended freedom model? It's the most powerful libreboot capable thinkpad. Also the x60t, x200t, x200s, and t400s are also good libreboot compatible thinkpads that one might be inclined to use over the ones suggested in the OP.
Joshua Bennett
I'm broke and poor af, so no desktop. Why else would I have a ThinkPad? And I do have a phone, but come one, phoneposting? I couldn't possibly fall to such a level.
Dominic Taylor
Please get a trip so I can filter such a pathetic human being.
Angel Cruz
>tripfagging
Easton Bailey
t480 reviews when
Jaxon Sullivan
You're quite the attention whore, aren't you.
James Cox
fingerprint rly dosnt work on x220 w10?
Juan Hughes
idk my bff jill?
William Russell
There was no /tpg/ thread, so I decided to make one and do some edits on the recommended models
Fucked up the green text tho.
I don't know if the ATI gpu would be an issue for freedom.
Adam Sanders
Not all w500 have ati, those without can run libreboot.
Nathaniel Stewart
Good price for an X61s? I'm eyeing one for $60 right now.
Cameron Anderson
T500 might not have ATI, but what I was told, W500 was all FireGL standard.
Buy my X61 thats missing the Ctrl keys :)
Easton Green
I used to have a W700. It was a fucking beast. W70x is really the ultimate Chad laptop. You can literally go through a brick wall with it, use it as a shield against bullets, crack the head of your enemies, and the laptop will be still good to use afterwards. Not even a dent.
Sebastian Powell
My only dislikes about the W700ds I had was that there was some keyboard flex, though I could of fixed it.
Oh and the second display wasn't great at angles.
Cooper Williams
>Recommended ThinkPad 13 Is this true? Even for the newest generation? I need and want a new laptop, not used, but most new ThinkPads are hella expensive.
Brody Perez
Just buy a new $150 laptop from best buy what could go wrong?
Checked plenty cheap, new ones out in stores and they were all trash and didn't meet my requirements (256gb ssd, 8bg ram, under 1.5kg, good screen, good CPU) My budget is not that small, I can go up to about 800€, but the x70/x80 ones are all 1000+. I saw some interesting Raven Ridge machine but don't remember what line it was.
Hudson Jenkins
t470 are going for like $700 now with discounts because of the new line coming out
Jack Hernandez
Not sure about your country's availability, but I feel that you could easily get that if you wanted to buy used.
Bentley Fisher
I'm looking into getting a t400 for travel and lounging purposes. I plan on programming, web browsing, running a VM for the MS Office suite, and playing doom via GZDoom. Can anyone with a t400 compile GZDoom and run some benchmarks for me? I'd really appreciate it.
Lincoln Myers
I live in Germany, haven't seen any cheap new ones. Even the ones with student discount are still 900€+. Used ones are also expensive, saw X230 for like 300€
Xavier Hall
T430 or x230 under 200?
Andrew Perez
X230 if you need that portability and the bottom slice battery.
T430 can get 900p and can upgrade to quadcore I personally have a T430s with the FHD mod kit, so I might be a bit biased. X230... i don't care for the HD only display, in addition, I have a Pixelbook for sub 13" laptop. >or just do the 2570p meme
Leo James
Well the x230 is 150 and the t430 is 200 the only difference between the 2 is the t430 having 8 gb compare to the x230 4. I'll would mainly use it during the week while I'm not at home for cs class. Thing is I was wondering if the 50 buck was worth for getting the x230 over the t430.
Jeremiah Stewart
Just got a x220t. Anyone messed around with the buttons and remapping them?
Carson Adams
Is 145€ a good price for a T430? European stuff (even the used one) tend to be overpriced, but I think this one should be a OKish deal (considering euro-standards).
For instance t400 selling at 130€, t430 290€... Buying from the USA might be a good deal (like (50-70% off) since the dollar is so low and products much cheaper thanks to freedom but still no one want to deal with burgers... Plus they use the silly burger-plug.
Lucas Gray
With windows 7, probably another 3-4 years until it becomes too slow. With a Linux distro and sdd, it should last until replacement parts become unavailable, so at least 6+ years, if you look after it well.
Christopher Jenkins
145€ doesn't seem too bad, but it really depends on the processor, RAM, etc
If you do decide to buy from the US, you need to remember that you'll have import duties to pay. In the UK we have to pay a HMRC customs fee, a Parcelforce handling fee, and any VAT they deem necessary Also, the plug is easy and cheap to replace. It will be something like pic related on the end that connects to the PSU. You could get one that's two metres for only a few euros
Thomas Perez
I didn't know that kind of adapter existed, noice. As for the taxes and fee, well, I know amazon.com charge some extra stuff and they use their own EUR/USD conversion rate but so far buying from the US was always a NET gain for me. I bought two HD there last year and saved ~150€ compared to amazon.co.uk, .fr or .de
Christian Scott
I think MacBooks are better
Gabriel Williams
that's your opinion and I'm glad you have one
Michael Bennett
Any opinion on the ThinkPad 13 Line? Can get a 2017 one with 512Gb SSD and no OS for 900, grab or pass?
Brayden Parker
I think you're gay.
William Thomas
N e one know what ThinkPad X200 screen to drop in? Been looking everywhere for some decent info and can't get shit...
Andrew Peterson
That feel when the price double in the last minute on ebay. Why jews prevent me from buying good Thinkpod for pennies...
Landon Reed
support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/migr-71896 There is apparently a WXGA+ screen for the x200 I'd do that. The aftermarket support for 1080p+ doesn't seem to exist for the x200
Jose Hall
One way or another, they seem grossly overpriced and I'm having a hard time trying to find out where the justification for it is. Certainly not in specs. Perhaps in build quality? Yet they appear more fragile than their older counterparts.
>Define old Something just up to the t420 or thereabouts? The turning point would somewhere where they lost socketed cpus and the rugged/industrial/bulky feel of older parts. Lets face it. The newest models pretty much look like a standard laptop if you do not look closely at the keyboard layout. So to me they lost something, but I'm not an expert in these, so I'm asking to anyone in the know if they justify their price somehow. It's hard to swallow a $1800 price tag when you can literally buy a higher spec'd machine with discrete gpu for less than a grand.
Carson Hughes
It's shit
Hudson Morgan
I'm looking for a laptop that can be made a dedicated typewriter for nanimo and shit. Need a good keyboard, capable of be hooked to wifi and be cheap. What are your recomendations lads?
Aiden Bennett
Tell me that picture is fake.
Owen Brown
Care to explain why?
Carson Kelly
It looks like the x270 wins in 2 of your 3 categories.
Hell, it has a hot swappable battery.
Evan Wilson
ur shit they look decent.
Jayden Sullivan
Don't really care for resolution on this machine, just want some colors.
Grayson Taylor
70 euros for x230 without battery, hdd, RAM and charger a good deal? I would probably replace all those anyway and I already have a charger.
Christian Sullivan
Shill me a cheap and comfy memepad with good battery duration now :^)
Ayden Bennett
If its proven to function before purchase, then go for it. Although a good battery will still run you a pretty penny.
Landon Torres
just got a T60 yesterday (for free). It doesn't have a hard drive, what do you recommend for it /tpg/?
Angel Hughes
a hard drive
Luke Cooper
I found an IBM T60 for 40$, it's a good deal?
Brody Hall
If anyone wants a cheap FHD IPS screen for their T440p/T440s/T440, laptopscreen's ebay store has many LTN140HL02 available. I got the price under $30. Description listed various defects it might have (2-5 dead pixels was the only worrying one), but with more than 10 panels available, they can't all be junk.
Anthony Clark
If you live near Microcenter, get an Inland Professionals 128gb SSD for $35. Otherwise a Kingdian S280.
Logan Butler
>ChinkDian Do not listen to this man. Just ask csg the opinion of owners (not shills) and you'll see why this is a bad choice.
Ayden Brooks
I have two SU100+ to act as cheap ssds for shitty laptops. They have a red LED on the pcb inside them, so the connectors have a strange red glow. They are also severely warped into a "smiley" shape so they don't fit in the 2.5" cradles.
Ryder Morales
Anyone here have an x140E? The E1-2500 looks kinda spooky. Also, any thoughts on their battery life?
Jace Ortiz
That's alright. Is it in good condition/not missing much?
Jaxson Parker
A485
Dominic Long
Any catch on this one here? >ThinkPad 13, new for 899€ >i7-7500U >8GB DDR4 2133MHz >no OS, so no extra pay for Windows >matte 1080p IPS >512GB SSD
Would like to use it for uni and on the train.
Daniel Anderson
>900 jewros for a a new piece of shit laptop that could easily be had for $100 when compared to a tx30
Why are you retarded?
Wyatt Nelson
cool thx dude that should help
Carson Barnes
>T420s Your simple mods won't change shit you faggot
Thomas Taylor
That catch is that it's a squeaky piece of shit
Christopher Stewart
Do Thinkpad warranties cover broken keyboard mechanisms?
Aiden Cooper
The ThinkPad 13 series aren't "real thinkpads". Basically they're the same as any cheap plasticky shit-top made by HP or acer, without the build quality, durability, or support that is associated with thinkpads.
900€ is roughly $1100. For that amount, on Lenovo's own site, you can configure a T470 (which IS a real thinkpad, with decent build quality and not shit support) to have the same processor, (a bigger) full HD screen, and 8GB of ram, albeit with a 256GB PCIe SSD, not 512. I highly recommend that and then getting a laptop hard drive for cheap if you really need more storage on it, which I doubt based on your usage description.
Ryder Cruz
Is E470 ok?
Adam Cook
>E-series no
Joshua James
OP's pasta recommends some E series models.
Nathan Cook
op is a dumb faggot, and there is no reason to trust his yammering over any other dumb faggot's, including mine. read subjective reviews by people who have used the computers, then objective performance metrics and make your own decisions
Bentley Clark
>xsauc doesn't use computers
Nicholas Harris
Don't see anything but T, W, X and P series Are you guys looking at the same shit?
Adam Cook
>read subjective reviews by people who have used the computers That's what I was hoping to get in this thread. But instead I got your salty meme.
Evan Lee
>T430s Saucy no Don't recommend the s(hit) versions
Dylan Thomas
...
Isaac Rivera
I still don't see anything but T, W, X or P series thinkpads
Sebastian Adams
Vintage thinkpads (T20, T30, A31) have the best keyboards and are old enough that they will handle word processing in libreoffice, but wont be able to do anything else like games, video playback, or web browsing.
Robert Jackson
(You)
Asher Richardson
Who are (you)ing At least do the @ thing
Zachary Stewart
i'm . the x, t, and p series, in my understanding, are the only ones that are worth buying, but if that idiot wants to look at the E series he should read a review from a human being, and not whatever uses this board to communicate
Adrian Harris
there are no e-series thinkpads in there?
Sebastian Rivera
@(You)
Luke Moore
I'm trying to force him into googling shit honestly
Robert Cooper
Aren't the E6330 and E6440 E series?
Robert Ortiz
@64796135 No you idiot that's done like this
Landon Collins
@(Y'all)
Cooper Morgan
Try googling them They aren't e series thinkpads
David Morales
you're very noble in your act but of course you aren't going to contribute you lazy faggot
Elijah Hill
they're not e series thinkpads, they're another brand
Gabriel Perez
Google is always there for you unlike me I could tell him those are latitudes but he could also try googling it and learning how model names work with different brands
Carter Moore
I see, thanks. For a second I thought you were all retarded basement dwellers.
Camden Murphy
need a lighter laptop than a w520 for college, hopefully for a similar price to what i can sell my w520 for used. I just need it for productivity, I got a desktop I can use for gaymen. I was thinking x220, x230, t430, or t440p. Any recommendations?
Jason Phillips
Found a refurbished W520 with Quadro K2000M, 160GB SSD, 8GB RAM and i7-2760QM for 350€. Buy or nay? I'll have to factor in a keyboard too because it comes from Germany.
Noah Davis
I haven't used X-series Thinkpads, but I would pick a T430 over a T440p. 9-cell atteries are much less expensive, touchpad is easier to use, speakers are slightly better, Thinklight, lid latch, dedicated volume and mute buttons. Only drawback is that the highest resolution panel you can install (without an $80 converter mod) is 1440x900. I fell for the full HD meme and bought a T440p even though a T430 would have better met my needs.
Jack Cook
ok! thanks for the recommendation. I guess a t430 does make more sense than the t440p. my w520 has an i7-2760qm, 16gb ram, quadro k1000m, 256gb ssd, 1tb hard disk, fingerprint scanner and US keyboard, if you're interested.
Ian Perry
I'd rather vouch for the K2000M because it's easier to find better (or worse) processors than GPUs. I thought there'd be more K2000M but actually they're a rarity, which is why I ask of 350€ is a fair offer. Thanks for the offer anyway.
Luke Hall
Are Thinkpads assembled in Whitsett, NC higher quality than those made elsewhere? Would you pay more for a used one with an "assembled in the USA" sticker?
Juan Sanders
ah, i see. Well, good luck finding one! it seems like the price is a bit high to me personally given it has a small ssd and only 8gb
Ethan Ross
I'm not too worried about the SSD: I'll use it for uni in small audio projects and won't replace my main desktop PC. Here in Europe I've seen most second hand offers around 400€. Refurbished ones tend to sit between 250 and 450€ and as high as 550€, on eBay. Obviously all offers have with varying HDD/SSDs or RAM setups, so it's a bit hard to estimate the right price.
Jayden Morales
You're an idiot m8
Jonathan Rodriguez
Google gave me nothing of interest.
Bought some new USBs today from the store to write ISOs to.
Wrote Void on one of them and tried booting on my x200.
Gave me a blank screen with a _ in the upper left corner.
ISO looks right.
The USBs are USB3, might that have something to do with it? It's an old laptop, after all.
Connor Sullivan
>assembled >literally just screwing parts together makes no difference in quality
Matthew Martinez
Gpt?
Tyler Perry
How did you copy the .iso onto the usb?
Adam Garcia
what thinkpad do i get if im poor but i want it to run gtav on low
Aiden Wood
you can upgrade the ram in both units, I think 8GB modules are about $40 to $55.
They are still a lot more easier to work on and durable than consumer counterparts. Generally they are more reliable than consumer units, have a good warranty and dat keyboard.
I've bought some Chimei IPS displays from them. Not as good as a B140HAN01.3, but it was worth a third of a new one... $45
Its essentially an E Series, just make sure u dont buy the ChromeOS one.
They should be able to replace it
>look at minimum requirements for game >look for laptops that meet those requirements >be on the market for one for a few weeks, get one when you think you can get a good deal
Easy as pie.
Rufus is the easiest for Windows, then Yumi and Unetbootin.
There's prob some linux command to do that as well... but i don't bother with that stuff.
James Harris
sudo dd if=iso of=/dev/sdb
It's what I've been doing for years.
Blake Rogers
Ive seen this doesnt work for older laptops which will only boot the the flash stick is formatted as fat32.
Josiah Flores
Well then how did I get Xubuntu on it in the first place? I've since lost the USB drive I used though.
Nicholas Hall
Currently typing away on a X230 with a keyboard swap If you just want productivity this thing is unbeatable It's smaller and lighter and cuter than the T430 That said if you need a screen that isn't fucking garbage resolution wise You're gonna have to bleed some cash or get a T430
Gabriel Ortiz
Cry a lot because anything without dedicated graphics will only get you between 30-20
Proper answer, W520, W530 (W510 maybe? If it doesn't melt everything near it that is) T420 or T430 with dedicated graphics T440p with the quad core
I was wondering about whether I should choose a T420 or T430? Is there really that big of a performance gap between the two? If there is, I would get a 430 with a 420 keyboard, yet I'm not really comfortable with a half-working keyboard that costs 80 bucks more than just getting a t420. I'm leaning towards the t420 just because of the keyboard though. Thoughts?
Logan Foster
HD4000 is about a 50% performance increase over the HD3000 iGPU in the T420. The keyboard on the T420 is very nice however the T430's keyboard is still very good.
Jaxson Jenkins
What about cpu? I'm not looking to play any games. I do want the old keyboard though, just cause >muh chiclets I guess if the performance is really that much worse though I'll go with the 430
Isaiah Wright
A correct price for a well-kept X61s is like $99 w/ VAT, 2G RAM, and 100G HDD. With docking station and PSU. So yeah, the guy's asking too much.