Why is America still so puritanical if it's not working?

>white """"""people""""""

Oddly enough, New England, the area with historically the most puritan influence and residence, has the lowest teen pregnancy rates in the nation. Also, many states in the S*uth teach abstinence only in their Sexual Education classes.

>Culturally christian.

Happy Hindu here

>the South

It's the new progressive society has nothing to do with its former ways.

>Christians fight against fag agenda
>Atheists push fag agenda
>Christians fight against abortion
>Atheists push abortion
>Christians fight against feminism
>Atheists push feminism
>Christians fight against communism
>Atheists push communism
>Christians fight against race-mixing
>Atheists push race-mixing

The godless America becomes the more progressive and liberal it becomes.

This is the same a European countries
That is why Islam spreading is a good thing

how is utah not in there? mormons usually pop 5 of those shits out by the time they're 20.

>American flag
>Not White
Everything checks out.

That's what happens when you don't include contraception in your sex ed.

Nothing pre-marital, pretty much.

>Why is America still so puritanical
It really depends where you live. Some areas are very puritanical, others are not at all.

>teen pregnancy
Mormans get married after 19, teen pregnancies refers to unmarried teens(13-19)

>Atheists push
None of these are entirely religious issues m8, now you're just searching for atheists with your selfmade radar like some retard.

jep, ei vittu näitä :D:D:D

Agreed, only the light of Islam can save the degenerate west.

Can't wait till all nations are full of secular/non-extremist people and everyone on earth can move past religion 2bh, space age soon

UyIt's true though, except he's confusing atheists with leftists, which are basically the same thing though.

Leftists hate average white people and will push everything average people dont like. That is their entire agenda.

If your average white person hated meat leftists would push meat. That's how retarded communists are.

>there's something inherently untrustworthy about someone with no religion
Literally brainwashed

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those are issues for the godless and explain how feminism, homosexuality and abortion aren't religious issues.

Sounds more like I struck a nerve by bringing those up

>culturally christian

Because religion is supposed to be seperate from religion or you end up like middle-east my american intellectual.

>from politics
lul my bad, it's 3 am

>Because religion is supposed to be seperate from religion
The hell those that even mean, retard?

Closet homosexual detected.

>The hell those that even mean, retard?
what does this?

Never seen girls like the ones on the right here.

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This. Aggressive idiots until Sunday.

The Middle East is the way it is because of constant NATO invasions a thousand years ago they were a paradise because of religion, and ended up collapsing because they allowed Feminism and Progressives to destroy them

Right now the EU is collapsing in it self due to godlessness and people caring more about shekels than their society

ahaha, a finnish dude is curious, of all nations. your chicks are so ugly they should wear hijab

It means explain how religion should be kept out of religion, dumbass.

Those were not issues up until the 1960's

We fuck for free, especially given that doing it for money is illegal outside of Nevada.

Samefag is mad at typo instead of the argument lol

>paradise

>For four or five centuries, Islam was the most brilliant civilization in the Old World. (...) At its higher level the golden age of Muslim civilization was both an immense scientific success and a exceptional revival of ancient philosophy. These was not its only triumphs; literature was another: but they eclipse the rest. First, science: it was there that the Saracens (...) made the most original contributions. These, in brief, were nothing less than trigonometry and algebra (with its significantly Arab name). (...) Equally distinguished were Islam's mathematical geographers, its atronomical observatories and instruments (...). The Muslims also deserve high marks for optics, for chemistry (...) and for pharmacy. More than half the remedies and healings aids used by the West came from Islam (...). Muslim medical skill was incontestable. (...) In the field of philosophy, what took place was rediscovery - a return, essentially of the peripatetic philosophy. The scope of this rediscovery, however, was not limited to copying and handling on, valuable as that undoubtely was. It also involved continuing, elucidating and creating.
Fernand Braudel, A History of Civilizations , Penguin, 1995, p. 73-81

It was all good until the end of WW1 when France and Britain decided to destroy it and put a Jew in charge of the Ottomans

>Atheist agenda
You're forgetting that Americas population is 75 percent christian, and majority of them are democrats. Democrats would never vote for someone who is an atheists into office. Nice boogieman though.

read

Bernie Sanders was agnostic and look at all the support he had.

He was even championed as the first godless candidate.

Nice non argument

the intended arguement was.
>Because religion is supposed to be seperate from politics or you end up like middle-east my american intellectual.

You readExplain how these weren't issues until recently

If im not entirely mistaken also US has had it's hands in the issue prettymuch from the beginning.

You mean how like Europe imports the middle east to become more like it my autistic finn?

We have never had issues with this shit except when the swedes forced christianity down our troath like a somalian cock.

>Why is America still so puritanical
Because they're not. You fell for a reddit meme. Americans are just as sexual as anyone else. Have you been to an American costal town? Everyone walks around in bikinis. Americans openly talk about porn. Etc

You are a puppet my dude

>Europe
Few countries are doing it yes.
Dont see what that has to do with us.

>We have never had issues with this shit except when the swedes forced christianity down our troath like a somalian cock.
Sounds like you are projecting your insecurities
Is this what it's all about?

Tbf, we are far more reserved about full frontal nudity, and the traditional three topics off-limits for small talk are politics, religion, and sex.

well that's better than nothing

all small talk is considered rude in europe

Finns just aren't that much into religion.

All the abrahamic religions are fear mongering Jewish filth, you've been duped

>Dont see what that has to do with us.
>Next door neighbor is the worst about this
lol

I mean if someone comes out spewing some religious shit he'll be prettymuch laughed out the stage.

No, Jews and the Jew puppet religions do that, fag

sounds like /r/atheism: the country

Then why bring it up in the first place?
Is it autism?

Atheists are like that. They act like they don't care about religion yet it's one of their favorite things to discuss.

You asked.

So atheism?
Jews are pushing it

youtube.com/watch?v=IkVC1gZInxQ
youtube.com/watch?v=j0LhabQJ_-w
youtube.com/watch?v=4NQOnjswuFI

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism
haaretz.com/jewish/the-jewish-thinker/.premium-1.669381
shj.org/
myjewishlearning.com/article/secular-humanistic-judaism-rejecting-god/

>I asked
>created a thread about it
wew lad

You think i'm having a discussion here?
Just dumping my fedora folder

Yeah, but Hillary still got the nomination. You know why? Because most of Democarts are religious and wouldn't vote Bernie over Hillary It's the same reason the DNC was plotting to smear him as an atheist.

independent.co.uk/news/people/bernie-sanders-furious-over-democratic-party-plot-to-smear-him-as-an-atheist-a7153446.html

I'm not OP you fucking retard...

No I'm not, don't be absurd.

Do you even read your post? You sound like a teenager.

Humans are by nature superstitious, religions are a fact of life that are not going anywhere, and when a society is devoid of one another dominant ideology always thrives. Consider sweden, where they are currently being ravished by Islam:

They've done away with religion and replaced it with feminism. They're still religious, and now to showcase their moral excellence by virtue signaling -- who is the most tolerant. Also look back in history where religion is replaced by the state, japan with hirohito, stalin, etc.

You'll never take away that human need, and when you remove religion unexpected results happen.

Like I said, I'm culturally Christian. I don't believe in the supernatural, but it is a flag I can fly under. It's a religion which I know doesn't call for the sword like the Quran, and which doesn't fit in western society because where the bible says respect the laws of the land, the Islam has sharia. It's not even a religion it's a totalitarian ideology -- so when the edgy Joni Finn shitposts or the retard irish faggot calls it "middle east-tier" it is laughable.

>he gets offended I question OP
>he goes into threads he hates
>he gets into arguments with people who didn't address him
>he took it on himself to start arguing with me
>he gets mad when questioned about this
ground control to major wew

Thats all you got?
Maybe you should read a book or 2.

not bible or quran plz

>he is backpedaling >
>democrats would never vote someone into office"
>Bernie Sanders holds office in Vermont
>your narrative feel apart
>Bernie Sanders almost became the democratic nominee

>how dare you call me out on my bullshit
>r-read a b-b-book

>It's a religion which I know doesn't call for the sword

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

-Jesus in Matthew 10:34

Organized cults are laughable. If its christianity or feminism, really doesn't matter since it should be removed from politics.

>talks about cults
>post neo-pagan
Ayy lamo

>now he decides to post smug anime faces when i still dont even know what the fuck hes on about

It should be though

even hes laughing
now i posted an alien ayy lmao

Yeah, because America isn't one place, with one set of values and beliefs. I'm talking about democrats as a whole, they wouldn't vote Sanders into the white house.

>he has no retort but he must comment so he post a atheist fedora meme and says I'm wrong

>he's admits he's backpedaling and is now grasping at straws
Sad to be honest

The republicans are considered to be the more evangenical religious of the 2 parties, although minorities like blacks and Mexicans are both democrat and religious.

So this is damage control?
Amazing

>he decides to post a "classy" fedora man indoors without his trusty fedora while mocking my post.

Your "damage" is already out of control, catch my meaning my large friend?

It's true though, Democrats as a whole would never vote for Sander into office.

You mean the candidate who never had a chance of winning?

>he calls a man smoking a pipe "classy" fedora meme when it's not at all
>he is upset he got called out again
>he says he doesn't know what I'm talking about
>he is attempting damage control

Since you guys obviously need a retard running your country your 2 current options are just fine imo.

>no u
lol

You mean the one that beat all the other democrats candidates and faced Hillary for the democratic nominee?

Looks like people liked him enough to vote for him instead of the other democratic candidates to face Hillary

>implying that guy didn't wear a fedora which was pretty dope thing to do at the times
>hes still spouting the tired old line hes memed for like 5 posts now
>and i still dont know what im being "called out" on
damage

>implying fedora in the 1950's were atheist
>he's getting upset now and still attempting damage control
>he's so stupid he can't take his own advice
>he used "no u"
[Damage control intensifies]

You're trying to out autist a finn
That's like trying to out shitpost a Australian

But he isn't actually religious, he just has an ideology and values in line with it.

You're right
Time to leave and stop giving him the human contact he desperately wants

But he still didn't win, even having the Jewish edge

>wants to worship the old Norse gods
>says it's the true white man's religion
>not religious
k

>american memes
>projecting like his favourite high school cartoon characters or ponies

>surrenders like the french

nice bait I'm sure you already know the context of that statement so I'm not biting, suffice to say it's non-violent. you're just quoting that part

Former muslim here, since the thread is about factual history and not some nignog racism, I will help you on getting the right facts.

> The golden age of Islam is not as good
Even at its peak, Islam wasn't the main thing that made scientific, philosophical research. The golden age and the spread of Islam only helped to create a bigger territory for muslims and arabs/persans/jews, the result is that many took and translated many greek literature, sciences and more. As a result, there was a progress in science and mathematics. But that has nothing to do with Islam itself, it's more of a consequence that follows.

One example : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi
"was a Persian[3] mathematician, astronomer, and geographer during the Abbasid Caliphate, a scholar in the House of Wisdom in Baghdad."
"Another epithet given to him by al-Ṭabarī, "al-Majūsī," would seem to indicate that he was an adherent of the old Zoroastrian religion"
And if you look for more scientists you will find very few actual muslims.

But he got voted for constantly to face Hillary herself.
California wanted him more than Hillary.

but as the DNC leaks proved
He was being sabotaged from within the DNC and other jews were doing it "Debbie Wasserman"

aaand then the muslims came to muslim and off with their heretic scientist heads.

This is true, but it's Jewish scientism style atheism, Jews always take control of the new fad , why do you think so many christians are taking up the "well that part of the Bible doesn't matter mentality". They start out each movement as a less oppressive way of life and then, once it has gained enough influence, turn to a more despotic approach, until unrest can't be controlled and they have to take the reins of the counter culture.

Yes. Some of them, not all. They care about knowledge but when it gets too opposed to a monotheist all powerful god, they damage control because they can't into that. Same as the church in the dark medieval ages.

youtube.com/watch?v=s4PbPbPKJIQ

There's intelligent muslim and there's believers. Imams are believers.

(btw it's not Islam that is making them think like that, it's a stupid interpretation that make them believe that the earth is flat. The islamic education is but belief and lacks skepticism as it's see as a form of heresy )

>actually believing this
The primary reason was that Islam banned usury and Jewish banking systems, hence anyone making any scientific progress won't get their shekels stolen by the jews, as well as heavy government funding

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age#Causes
>The various Quranic injunctions and Hadith, which place values on education and emphasize the importance of acquiring knowledge, played a vital role in influencing the Muslims of this age in their search for knowledge and the development of the body of science.
>Groth, Hans, ed. (2012). Population Dynamics in Muslim Countries: Assembling the Jigsaw. Springer Science & Business Media. p. 45

The Muslim government heavily patronized scholars. The money spent on the Translation Movement for some translations is estimated to be equivalent to about twice the annual research budget of the United Kingdom’s Medical Research Council.[16] The best scholars and notable translators, such as Hunayn ibn Ishaq, had salaries that are estimated to be the equivalent of professional athletes today.[16] The House of Wisdom was a library, translation institute, and academy established in Abbasid-era Baghdad, Iraq by Caliph Harun al-Rashid and his son al-Ma'mun.[17][18]

>but the pious preface to al-Khwārizmī's Algebra shows that he was an orthodox Muslim, so al-Ṭabarī's epithet could mean no more than that his forebears, and perhaps he in his youth, had been Zoroastrians
>leaving out the other part

Toomer, Gerald (1990). "Al-Khwārizmī, Abu Ja'far Muḥammad ibn Mūsā". In Gillispie, Charles Coulston. Dictionary of Scientific Biography. 7. New York: Charles Scribner's Sons.

It all started collapsing when the Ottomans started tolerating the Jews and allowed Jews to enter high positions of their government.

>btw it's not Islam that is making them think like that, it's a stupid interpretation that make them believe that the earth is flat.
dont worry the americans are doing the same, just write flat earth into youtube and you're good to go waste another few minutes of your life.

Sure, I know all about it, remember I was born a muslim kiddo. I know about the degree of importance of knowledge in Islamic culture. But I can state for a fact that many scientist of the Golden age are not muslims. And if they are, they are still called for being heretics. I don't need much to prove my point, the same website we're using, Wikipedia is my source (let's avoid the muh wiki source meme)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunayn_ibn_Ishaq
As you can see, I've already seen some. Look it up.

I'm not saying that you will find no muslim but most of the scienticts are from the Persian zone, another side is also jewish and Berber people.
Plus you're falling for the "JEW DID IT" meme, because Jew were allowed in the time of the prophet, so...

I was not trying to defend the religion, just making clear what the real source of this stupidity was.

My grandpa is an Oriental archaeologist and so is my dad. You sound like one of those Iranian diaspora who hates Islam kek and ends up making stuff about it.

Even the wikipedia you posted about what Gerald Tommer said he was an orthodox Muslim and probably in his younger years was a Zoro.

Islam only allowed Jews to exist on the basis they wouldn't set up Jewish banks, however these Jews simply went to Europe to do their Jewish banking and when the went back to the Caliphate didn't to it and imported their shekels from places like Italy and France. Over all they would Jew it out in Europe then run back to the Caliphate for protection.

Most of the scientists were Muslims, with a few being Jews/Christians. For example
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

I am talking about my experience in life, not some "muh dad was in the nasa therefore I know science" meme

And the wikipedia page you sent is a list of muslim scientists, of course I'm going to find MUSLIMS in it. I was telling you about the golden age, 8th-12th to me, but some may say to the 8th century up to the 15th. Find me a list of scientists of the Golden age (the one I've showed you is not enough but it's already showing the tendency)

What was this quote of Hitler supposed to tell me ? it only reassures me in the fact that you're a bullshitter from Cred Forums
kikes did it, amirite ?

K your experiance doesn't matter only facts to. I read all this stuff from my family's work in the Orient.

Your claim was that
>you will find very few actual muslims

Muslim isn't a race, btw they are ethnically diverse.

The wikipedia page lsits all the famous Muslim scientists from the Golden Age

>le pol boogyman
Yes kikes are behind everything, it's not even funny anymore. (list of jews who own the media/banks)

Stop autisming it out, you're definitly one of those fedora tier degenerates muslim countries are recently starting to get

>protip I'm an Eastern archaeologist too

This is another list of muslims (about astronomy ? How specific).
I'm asking you to find me a proper list of every scientist in the Golden age. But I don't care anymore, you're free to be wrong after all. The sources are there, and since you're archeologist, you can prove me that. Oh wait ? You don't speak arab, do you ?

You seem clever, very clever. Using my own method of discrediting your opinion about jews by mentioning le pol boogeyman, if only you could just understand what I've been trying to tell you. Be smarter than the official ,canonical if I may say, history.
Your guess about my ethnicity is also wrong btw but I'm not helping you on that.

It's the same wikipedia page, it's just divided up by fields. I simply base my studies off actual history and historical documents, not internet memes.

Here's a more academic list in APA format

>Al-Jazzar, I., ibn Ridwan, A., ibn Fadlan, A., al-Baghdadi, A. A. L., al-Nafis, I., Jubayr, I., ... & ibn Turk, A. A. H. List of Muslim scientists.

Or you can just use google scholar
scholar.google.com/scholar?q=list of islamic golden age scientists&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0,33

and the wiki page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

But I am correct about you being a liberal degenerate. Also yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter

Again, this is a list of muslims. I am asking you a fucking list of scientists of the golden age, just we can see if the majority are muslims, there's no point looking for muslims scientists in a fucking list of muslims, we know for a fact that it's the universal critera they all have. I'm asking you a simple list of scientists in that time, so we can compare proportions later.

But yeah, I'm the one who's wrong. You logical fallacy is being stupid, that or trying really hard to avoid the question.

>Eastern archeologist

Can I have a latte?

There isn't any, it's just categorized into the Islamic Golden Age, it would just be the same list with a few non-Muslims.

As someone who has studied the East for decades, yes your wrong.
yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

>let me spew buzzwords and try to b8

> "As someone who has studied the East for decades, yes your wrong."
> Making the exact fallacy he's telling me I did.

Man, I think they let anyone be an archaeologist these days, you have a father in the business and you get a pass.

What kind of gland?

Morman girls get fucked at 8, then married off. Learn a thing or two faggot

We aren't it's just our media that tries to portray us that way.

I graduated from Oxford and have been on numerous expeditions to the East

>I graduated from Oxford
Yeah bro, me too.

Yet you don't speak arabic and use jews as the big boogeyman of the golden age. That's why I'm not willing to go to Oxford myself. I'm good in my own country and its universities.
You even mentioned that muslims didn't let Jews in which was stupid because Christians and Jews were there in middle-east way before Islam, and at the very beginning of Islam, Muhammad made it clear that they can stay as long as they can pay for being in an islamic territory.
That's common knowledge to any literate muslim, yet the archaeologist can't go into that.

I will not doubt your degree, I don't care about that. Graduate from wherever you want, you still lack knowledge while sending a few sources from wiki in APA format to make yourself sound smart.

I never said that, I stated the Muslims kept the Jews under control and on a leash, and didn't allow them to build their Jewish banks and commit usury etc..., so they can focus on scientific progress without worrying about the Jews stealing their stuff and trying to make money off it. Muhammad simply allowed them to stay since the Romans were bullying Schlomo and Muhammad and the other caliphs would allow them to stay as long as they didn't try to Jew him or do what they were doing in the Roman Empire before they collapsed it.

Everybody had to pay taxes, that's common sense in every civilization. The thing I sent in APA was another list of the same thing, why would I put Wikipedia in APA, top kek.

You're also projecting since you feel stupid with your revisionist history.

You stated
>But that has nothing to do with Islam itself
and
> if you look for more scientists you will find very few actual muslims

And I refuted it with
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age#Causes

Atleast in Oxford they teach you to be straightforward and get to the point. No point in really responding anymore since you'll just sound autistic.

>I graduated from Oxford
ahahhaha, and came straight here

>I graduated from Oxford and have been on numerous expeditions to the East

That hat makes him look like he has microcephaly.

This is just another abrahamic religion oppressing the human. There is no thing like a Christian culture. This religion is believed from Zimbabwe to Phillipines, they are all different. But cancerous Christian ideas may stay in your culture poisoning it. Same goes for any abrahamic religion, Islam, Judaism, they all are oppressive pieces of shit.

Can't wait till the first secular nation exists and the rest of the world follows suit 2bh

>implying anything in you list of atheist agenda is bad
You're a joke of history. Your conservative shit is dead. Islam is dying too now. Muslim girl appeared in a playboy recently. Liberation of humanity is inevitable, just deal with it. Humanity is pretty godless already and will be totally godless in future. We are becoming adults as a human race; and adults don't believe in superficial invisible creatures usually.

>Lying to a bunch of anonymous people

Yes, but their religiosity is the consequence of poverty and retardness caused by Mongols, ottoman rule and colonialism. The shittier country the more religious it is because poor people find relief. It's inevitable when country develops people are becoming irreligious. In Europe you had fascists 100 years ago who are totally the same with Islamists, the latter are just more religious.

Good posts 2bh

Oxford Mississippi perhaps

>I graduated from Oxford

The penalties are insufficient and they're not enforcing them.
Death penalty for premarital sexual activity of any kind, strict policing, and reporting incentives would do well. So would no liability for honour killings.

>implying progressivism isn't a direct ideological descendant of puritanism
You're ignorant.

People aren't becoming adults, they're becoming animals.
Superstition is for children and idiots.
Rules are for adults.
Brute beasts know neither.
Liberate man and you degrade him.

>Atheists
Women*
Ftfy

Repressed girls are always the biggest sluts, so while American girls and Southern/Eastern European ones ( catholics and orthodox) may act all proper they are whores underneath, here in Iceland they are feminist as fuck and whine about sexual liberation at every opportunity, they act like whores but don't really whore that much because getting dick hasn't been made into some forbidden fruit.

The only reason your hating is becouse you are a ugly nerd with social problems and you will never even get a hello from this sexy teen sluts.This little sluts pick only the chads to get fucked by.....

also they will laugh if your dick is less than 8 inch and fat.

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