/classical/

Neolle Spieth vs. Scott Ross
harpsichordists

my bandwidth is limited, I can only torrent one set. I sampled both but can't decide

Scott Ross

>Brian fucking Ferneyhough
he's an avantfaggot

Thomas Ades

why?

>Knowing what reddit listen to
I'm afraid I dont go there so wouldn't know

how do I appreciate mozart?

Rosen

if you like his music you appreciate him. If you don't, then don't force yourself to like something you don't genuinely enjoy.

Can vouch for Psathas - here's a great percussion quintet by him.
youtube.com/watch?v=aNqJVvDCThI

Like said, the best way to appreciate Mozart is to read books and study his scores.
Listening to his music isn't really worth it, unless you already enjoy it.

Balakirev's Nocturne in d minor is pretty good:

youtube.com/watch?v=f2IY0_uKAF4

>Late Beethoven is Romantic.
Early Beethoven is more "Romantic" than late.

Late Beethoven is modernist.

How would a score for this even look like?
youtube.com/watch?v=4srzcTt-ysg

Wrong.

early beethoven is medieval. middle beethoven is classical. late beethoven is futurist.

left beethoven is mannerist. right beethoven is impressionist. underbeethoven is romantic while overbeethoven is minimalist.

Not , but Ross is indeed better. His interpretations sound more "grown up" and his sense for aesthetics is overall unbelievable good.

For example: Rameau: Les Cyclopes

Ross:
youtube.com/watch?v=S-JD5Kv2js0

Spieth:
youtube.com/watch?v=n2fXL4pyMlI

I always think Ross' version is a bit too slow and Spieth's too fast, but more important Ross' version sounds in my opinion more dramatic, because of the emphasized trills and the great agogic Ross is using.

Glass is unironically pretty good. Akhnaten is one of the best pieces of music written after WW2.

>Akhnaten is one of the best pieces of music written after WW2.
The whole 3 hour thing? Didn't seem that special to me

I imagine the composer scribbled poorly drawn hand movements on there

What do you guys think about henry cowell?
One of my favourite pieces right here senpai
youtube.com/watch?v=kRXAiLjHtsc

>Renaissance
>Baroque
>Classicism
>Romantic
>Impressionism
>Modern

How would you folks rank these eras? What is the collective conscious?

there all good in they're own unique ways

Classical>Baroque>Everything else

also impressionism is just a kind of modernism

Good stuff. Gonna listen to some more of him soon.

I love the structure of Dramaturgy with the different periods of time and languages. Also the aesthetic of the music is pretty amazing, just how it matches so well with the ancient egypt and modern setting creating a marvellous atmosphere.

And it's containing a beautiful aria for countertenor, a overall underrated and underused register:

youtube.com/watch?v=RkmmI_iqojw

I'm liking Glass for his pure sound, I didn't find any other minimalist, who is as nearly as appealing.

This. People saying Rach was bad, because he was still composing in romantic style and therefore backwards can't be taken seriously. Rach was bad, because he was a bad composer.

What is the classical song that starts at 3:30?

Thank you

youtube.com/watch?v=-aQ2E0mlRQI

Mozart

Apparently Argerich and Perlman are making a recording together.
How bad do you think it'll be?

guess how many times i've had sex

You keep count?

how do i begin to appreciate classical music, beyond just "what sounds/feels good"?

i know someone posted a link to some sort of classical music guide on rutracker but the archive isnt working for me at the moment

0

he doesnt.

There's nothing wrong with just liking what you think sounds good but if you want a deeper understanding read some Rosen.

C ongratulations!!! You just gave the most obvious possible answer tot he questioN!!!!!!!! You receive the grand prize of me telling you to shut the fuck up forever

I do, however, and I've done it 69 times. Yeah!!!!!!!!!

please

tell me ur sicret

Do it with men, or with really sltuty girls also works.

can you please explicate what exactly you want?

>Classical>Baroque

Scott goddamn Ross

That's the patrician opinion.

stop shitposting

correct

I don't know senpai, it's honestly pretty unremarkable to me atleast

>classical > anything
>patrician

The Baroque has like five significant composers and Classical has only two. Romantic and Modern have at least a dozen each. I think it's pretty clear which ones are the best.

What was his fucking problem?

>I got my notion of what "significant" means from elementary school memes
>this uneducated

he was the first composer to get laid, so he rolled with it

Monteverdi si the only Baroque composer in that pic who truly matters.

>h-hey guys
>hey
>guys
>look
>look guys
>look
>I can
>guys
>I can play the violin
>guys look
>I can play the violin really REALLY FAST

too much talent for his own good

No need to provide further proof of your mental deficiency.

Yeah, You're doing a good enough job proving YOURS

Certainly so.

no u

>Plagianini
>talent

Why do classical musicians have such a bad taste in everything else, such narrow outlook, such tepidity?

Never listened to classical music unless that arvo part tabula rasa thing counts (I'm guessing it's a meme here). Where should I start?

I don't know much about this. Examples?

Listen to Mozart
Or start with the monks

>start with le monks xddXddDX

best of Debussy

youtube.com/watch?v=tP_7SuJn10g
as loud as your plebeian ears can handle

Someone should make an infographic explaining how to start getting into classical music

You seem upset.

What the fuck is this dog shit?

You seem to be projecting.

what the fuck is your problem?

You don't seem to know what that word means.

Do you actually listen to that shit? holy fuck I am crying

You don't seem to know what that word means.

thanks, ill check them out

you'll grow out of it

Is this guy like the Mark Rothko of music

that would be Morton Feldman

Find a violinist more qt than Hilary Hahn
youtube.com/watch?v=_xZl1_NXKls
Protip: you can't.

>okay this is boring
>skip a minute later
>It's the same shit
>skip 5 minutes later
>It's the same shit
>skip 10 minutes later
>IT'S THE SAME SHIT

Ah fair enough, according to the pictures used on YouTube he's actually the Piet Mondrian of music. lol

no one here cares that you're a pleb my man, also lay off the memes

It's hard to be excited about anything else after you've listened to the peak of music

Currently halfway through this. Plan to finish.

I loved this, whats this type called?

liking it so far
I feel tension and autism

Minimalism

european minimalism

i'm not super into it so i can't recommend much more but you can check out some more of andriessen's work or try american minimalism a la
youtube.com/watch?v=kAzhzEjkdcI

>american minimalism
don't do this
it's awful

>minimalism
don't do this
it's awful

some of it isn't terrible

youtube.com/watch?v=QousEWzwsmk

This does kind of start to pick up at the end.

Liszt is fucking garbage

Further proof the second-most underrated composer or all time continues to be underrated

he really does "slap" the "bass"

If you're a pleb, yeah.

he was italian

Post undercover Germans in Italy youtube.com/watch?v=KOOBpATkN64

youtube.com/watch?v=H-cQ6RYrSX0

youtube.com/watch?v=oaATmagbYsw
The more I look into it the better it gets

minimalism is cancer

nice, glad you found something you like. btw i appreciate that you're not shitposting like and 90% of the rest of the posters itt

what's wrong with it?

Bach, Beethoven, Beatles.

*Brahms

The real 3 Bs.

Still waiting for a non-meme explanation

It's boring, repetitive, requires little skill to make, etc.

Oh, okay then. What are some good artists on the opposite end of the spectrum then?

petzold

Ferneyhough

Wuorinen.

>Mozart shitters have taken over the thread once again

Bring in the Bach.

How hung was Bach?

You don't belong here and you're trying too hard to fit in, I'm embarrassed for you desu
Implying that minimalism is "easy to make" shows how little you know about it

Mozart listeners
>respected intellectuals
Bach listeners
>autistic lardasses

Hung enough to impregnate his wife 12 separate times. His cock could reach into the fallopian tubes and cover the ovum in semen.

you're going to regret this post

>tfw you're listening to some mundane repetitive wuornin organ wank while someone tries to use him as an example of music more complicated than minimalism
Music for this feel?

Seems like you've got that backwards, friendo. Bach posters are intelligent, eloquent, and never resort to ad hominem attacks when arguing their positions. It's easy to tell when Mozart posters are about because the thread is full of diarrhea.

This is what Bachtists actually believe.

post Brahms before the Bach/Mozart wars take over the thread

BRAHMS IS SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

Further proof that Bach and his advocates are underrated.

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fuck of chopin

youtube.com/watch?v=_liiGxY1dPw

Lol I'm listening to that now already

post yfw /classical/ tricked you into listening to contemporary music

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Bache, Beets, Beath

>mfw /classical/ has never cucked me into listening anything they recommend because I have already developed my own taste and can easily find more of the same by myself
>mfw I mainly come on /classical/ to shitpost and spam links

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>developing my own taste means I can't take recommendations

o k

this is literally me

You can't take recommendations when you already know everything...

Is it? Is it really?

It's.

>tfw you listen to Bach for so long that all other music sounds like shit

I tried to listen to some Mozart after my Bach binge, but his remedial music almost made me vomit

Who would want to play a harpsichord? It crackles so fucking much it gets annoying

Well then I'll just have to take your word for it don't I?

I develop my tastes by listening to random people on Wikipedia's list of composers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_21st-century_classical_composers

autism: the post

If you've used the internet to develop your taste in any capacity, you're still a pleb.

But I used the internet to download music and help develop my taste, am I pleb?

The 'net is good. Fuck academia or wherever else you learn about music.

t. pseud

Maybe instead of bragging about your embryonic tastes, you should be going to conservatory or doing something constructive?

Your insecurity is hilarious. :^)

Your Projecting is hilarious.

stop making my thread shit you faggot

It sounds beautiful lad, fuck off

t. embryo

>>>/rym/

Using the t meme already proves how worthless anything you have to say is

t. autist

See

see:

see
and recognize your severe autism.

Using the t. meme is instant proof of autism in literally anyone.

project harder

There's literally nothing wrong with having autism. It's a developmental disorder that can't be helped.

That's some epic metaprojecting, user.

Lol. Sounds like you need to go back to r.eddit and/or tumblr.

T. Insecure

The t. meme is inherently, objectively stupid, and all I'm doing is pointing that out.

petzold

which is a sign of severe autism

Yes, the t. meme is a sign of severe autism. Now you're getting it!

haha, how can autism be used as an insult?
Only an ignorant cunt would use autism as an insult. (And there's nothing I hate more than ignorance)

Autism is a gift in my case, I have an IQ of over 150 which makes me technically a genius thanks to my autism.
I've been going through school all my life being bored out of my fucking brains getting at least 95% on all my tests (and all the incorrect answers were silly mistakes) because I'm just too fucking smart for school I can't wait for everyone else to learn something I already knew within the first day or too of being taught it.
Every year I scored the best of my year on these stupid multiple choice tests we do and the headmaster came to my class to tell me that, which obviously resulted in being called a 'nerd' which is true but I shouldn't be ridiculed for it.

I recently became home educated so I could learn at my own pace and I'm getting my GCSEs done in 1/4 of the time everyone else has to do it in, I'm also doing more than double the average amount of GCSEs that usually would be done.

I used to get paid $30 an hour working online, which is more than the teaching assistants at my old school earned, it was so fun pointing that out to them.

So, in conclusion, calling someone autistic is not an insult, in my case, it makes me highly gifted.

One more thing, I don't know if this has anything to do with my autism but I am a sociopath so I'm not hindered by irrational emotions like guilt, compassion, empathy etc.

haha, the most satisfying this is to know that you will all see this as a waste of a natural gift that I am undeserving hahaha, that brings me great satisfaction.

I'm practically perfect, let the jealousy flow through you.

last /classical/ thread, someone posted a bunch of torrents on rutracker that were some sort of guide to music theory, in like 50 parts or something. I don't remember what it was called.

I'm just wondering if there is any deeper appreciation for classical besides aesthetics, e.g. technical aspects, or structure, or something or whatever. I don't know, when I see people talking about classical music the discussion and vocabulary kind of goes over my head

complaining about what strangers on the internet do is definitely autistic

Then maybe you should stop complaining, which is literally exactly what you are doing right now, and don't try to deny it.

just watch this crap or whatever youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTKhUdPIHIuhhCrMuKJWcjnXUfAN3f5Mn

>pointing out that complaining about what strangers do on the internet qualifies as complaining

not quite

Interpreting and identifying any of my posts as complaints (which they weren't) is indeed complaining.

I am trying to find this specific classical song, but i can't find it. Can someone provide me with the source of this classical song?

The song starts at the 8:42 mark of this youtube video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YP3E2ddmqI&t=522

>song
>anime OST
>classical
Fuck off retard.

It's something by someone named Yasuhiko Fukuda. Literally just looked at Wikipedia and found this

overall I agree but Ross' recordings of Couperin kind of suck because the harpsichord instrument itself sounds duller, not as rich (maybe also because its an older recording?)

would you recommend Rousset over Spieth?

Good thread.

In other news, Semele is actually not too bad. The story is actually engaging which is something of a rarity in Handel's operas/oratorios

>listening to baroque "opera" at any time for any reason whatsoever

>not liking L'orfeo

HELLO THERE REDDIT

sorry it's 2deep4you pleb

>l'Orfeo
>not Porpora's operas written for Farinelli's throatpussy

Do I need to know music theory to listen to classical properly? I'm a active listener and this is really important to me.

yes, absolutely
you must be able to write 6 voice counterpoint freely

>Do you need to know music theory to listen to classical?
no
>Do you need to know music theory to listen to classical properly?
yes. Well sorta. It will help you pick up certain things that the composers do. You should at least learn how to read music and what tonic and dominant mean.

strawpoll.me/11232403

Well considering how most people here and in general use words that usually have to do with theory, it makes me wonder how much am I missing.

i just had half a pizza slice but it was the last one and i want more

Americans are disgusting.

All European.

You can listen to and discuss classical music without knowing music theory. But you'll be able to listen to and discuss it in greater detail if you do.

Americanized europeans are even more pathetic.

>never had margherita
pizza can be good, kill urself

No.

You mad? Yeah, you real mad.

how do you go from this

To this.

why

Dog need love

I thought Dowland was considered Renaissance.

>emo as fuck

Nice meme, what's wrong with honestly expressing yourself? Unless you're some kind of mindless automaton it shouldn't be an issue.

Also had a good laugh when someone said most of his songs are about love and death.

>implying most music since time immemorial isn't about love, death or some other human condition.

I mean yeah if you're some autistic neckbeard NEET these concepts might seem foreign to you.

Nothing as far as I can tell. Paganini was one of the greatest composers and violinists of all time. A remarkable talent.

>Plagianini

What did you mean by this?

>copies Vivaldi
>copies Locatelli
>copies Biber
>greatest violinist
Lmao

>Paganini was one of the greatest composers and violinists of all time
[citation needed]

[citation needed]

>copied Vivaldi's bariolage
youtube.com/watch?v=4-kXG5XoNQk
>copied Locatelli's arpeggios
youtube.com/watch?v=HGuBCas2vf4
>copied Biber's melodies
youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyZRd4JpY

These are not proper citations.

>hurr
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Ignaz_Franz_Biber
>Sonata 15 is famous for one of its themes, which matches the theme of Paganini's Caprice No. 24 almost exactly; it is possible that Paganini was inspired by Biber, just as Franz Liszt, Johannes Brahms and Sergei Rachmaninoff were later inspired by Paganini's Caprice.[11]

Thanks

kill all mozart posters

Not sure what you mean, most everyone knows of Paganini's exploits. His virtuosity was renowned all across Europe in his day. I don't think I've ever heard any expert on the matter that said otherwise.

Not a citation. Stop shitposting, final warning.

Why do no one never talk about Tourdion arround here?

youtube.com/watch?v=rxlwCTOuTSs

youtube.com/watch?v=DALKAmTQORo

Is Renaissance a meme

Good meme.
youtube.com/watch?v=7wUJ-aAB-Xk

all post-Baroque music is a meme

HAHAHA holy shit why are you so mad? Did someone hurt you? I'm probably not even the same guy you've been replying to.

>final warning

Or what? You gonna have me banned?

No

>Renaissance
>post-Baroque

Which composer is universally loved?

I've never heard a bad word said about Haydn

Anyone else listen to 3 minutes of some albums and then rate it on rym? I can usually tell by the first few minutes what it will be like and whether or not I'll like it

most early music is pretty boring anyway

Is there a reason for why minor keys are much more melodic than major keys?

melodic minor

lol

>copying a post i made about liszt like two months ago
Its nice to have my meme used though

>tfw Glass will never write that Opera about the life of Adolf Hitler that he wanted to do

>tfw

we're gonna make it r..r.right?

Who Max Stirner of classical music?
Sadly he composed nothing, unlike Nietzsche, Adorno, Rousseau etc.

Partch

what did you use to make this infographic? or did you make it yourself in AI or something?

its a program on my computer

wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Baobab

pretty neat desu

has anyone noticed that medieval music sounds incredibly similar to folk music of the middle east (except for the vocals)?

is it because of the crusades? were europeans influenced by them? or the other way around?

Haydn bores me desu

he is technically clever, but spiritually dull. his work is interesting but evokes little-to-no emotional response

thanks bruv

Bruckner is a better composer than Mahler.

Mahler is a better composer than Bruckner.

[But its ok if you prefer Bruckner]

>Bruckner: Brilliant use of Sonata-Allegro form
>Mahler: Pinnacle and logical end of Romanticism

It always strikes me as odd that despite how different they were, people (including myself) have a very strange obsession with comparing them.

Mahluh was a better orchestrator by far but none of his works ring with me like Bruckners do.

They both wrote large memephonies with thicc harmony that carry on way too long.

hey theres no comp thread so i figured id ask here

youtube.com/watch?v=JFIGoB7rK70

does anyone know how the grainy, explosiony effect is achieved in the brass at 8:50? i think theyre mutes but i dont know what kind

Romantic>Classical>Baroque>Renaissance>Impressionism>Modern

GO COMPARE!

What are the best post-baroque choral works?

Explain why highly emotional work is bad.

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wtf is highly emotional work?

please reply musicfags

List of utterly worthless composers:
Meyerbeer
Mendelssohn
Mahler
Schoenberg
Gershwin
Schnittke
Copland
Ligeti
Reich
Glass

Feel free to add more.

XD

Add Handel

t. wagner

>tfw the best British composers are actually German.

It is true suffering being an English person who loves Western Art Music.

Who do we have besides Renaissance art song composers?

Mozart

Prucell
Locke
Hume
Blow

Any decent "British" composer was imported, or got off of that hellhole of an Island ASAP. Prove me wrong.

At least we have our literature
>or got off of that hellhole of an Island
This is funny as I am moving to Spain to teach English in November, but nothing can beat the English countryside imo.

Shit for a moment I thought I was listening to Julius Eastman. Truly amazing 10/10!

>decent
>posts a list of washed up no-personality talentless pieces of shit

So I wanna check out this Brian Ferneyhough guy. Shit if you're part of a musical movement called New Complexity that must mean that art music has finally managed to match/surpass the depth of Baroque, right? What's his most fuck hueg piece? His Mass In B Minor? His The Planets?

Yeah, that list is shit because it was made by Brits. Read the filename nigger

Mozart K. 545

Beethoven's Missa solemnis
Brahms' and Verdi's requiems

Except that whatever you said in your post was wrong lmao

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Look a few posts above you.

Mahler symphonies 2 and 8 (XD but it's true)

>Purcell
fine

>Locke
>Hume
>Blow
Literally who?

Locke and Blow are Purcell's contemporary and Hume is an early baroque gambist who like;y influenced Sante-Colombel

I am convinced that the vast majority of people who engage in the utterly ridiculous 'arguments' between the virtues of Mozart and Bach are Americans. For some reason you utterly culturess people believe that art is some kind of competition between rival combatants.

Renaissance composers like Tallis, Taverner, Byrd, Gibbons and Fayrfax exist.

Oy Vey!

I have to go to a funeral for a family member who I both loved and hated.

Recommend me a piece for this particular feeling.

youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

youtube.com/watch?v=ZAJo9JvDWug

youtube.com/watch?v=yjJprIS4zQE

t. British cuck
lmao still mad that we kicked you out in 1776?

Barber was gay lol

nice meme

The fact that so many...

>periodic harrumph thread

where can i find smetana?

been going through the mega uploads, but can´t find it

t. British colonist

>tfw all the bog music you can eat next year since it's the 500 year anniversary of the 95 theses

rutracker

remember when /classical/ was actual constructive discussion and not shitposting

It was unironically a much better general when all the trips/namefags were still around.

Eat a dick poly

strawpoll.me/11235851

no

Best /classical/ personalities are:

Wagner-user (who is also old-meme-recording-opera-user AKA there-are-no-good-tenors-alive-today-user)
Renaissance-user
Bach-cantata-user

There's also at least two anons who are pretty solid when it comes to Mahler and Bruckner recs.

Otherwise probably SDF because he posts interesting recordings (even if I disagree with him on some things) or Calcium because I think he's funny

Whenever drunk Cal stumbles into the thread the quality at least doubles

put your trip back on

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Terrible adagio too lol

where do i start to get into classical?
my favorite genres are math rock and post rock

>my favorite genres are math rock and post rock
Then stay away from Bach because there's some actual math there.

/classical/ always had shitposting.
It was a bit of both.

Listen to Mozart.

>post rock
first off, you should kill yourself

where is new thread?

Make one

Nice try, but I'm not just some cuck who will just provide for others

But you are a cuck that is willingly depriving himself of something he wants