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Yeah thought the last one was Part, it started off sounding like one of those nu-tonalist memesters but stayed dissonant longer than they would have allowed.

Thought the Marinetti was good too.

I've yet to hear a violinist that does those pieces terribly desu

youtube.com/watch?v=UQwQSWTw71U

Thanks, I'll get Szymanowski's Symphony 2 and 3 and the Prokofiev's concerts.

Anyone in my family that dares to play Mozart around me gets their ass kicked. They'll learn good taste one way or another.

Handel > Bach.

who /vocal music/ here?
what else would you guys rec based on this, i don't want to miss out on trying anything considered "essential"
i mean other than that i kill myself

>vocal music

this thread is for serious music only, if you want to talk about that pop shite go back to /daily/

bump

Fucking hell debussy is boring

>yfw this majority of classical music is vocal music

Beethoven's missa solemnis

Gielen has a pretty great live recording of that.

meme bump

Tempted to watch an opera now that I've got an extra 3 hours I didn't expect to have

Jean Francaix - L'Apocalypse selon St-Jean
Brahms- Eine Deutsches Requiem (Gardiner)

>opera

not music

>Gardiner
Go to bed CLT

Watch John Adams' "Nixon in China"

to get back on topic, can anyone recommend operas approaching Wagner in either scale, style or sound? I'm in love with every second of the Ring cycle, especially the parts concerning Siegfried

>minimalism
>Adams
>ever

wew

"Nixon in China" isn't even minimalist (as if there's anything wrong with minimalism in the first place).

Verdi from Rigoletto onwards is generally pretty great. The only other opera-cycle I can think of is Stockhausen's Licht, which is very different to Wagner.

Strauss' operas are pretty interesting too

Minimalism is a mask for a composer's lack of ideas

Not a huge fan really.

Went for Jenufa in the end

God tier serialism coming through.

trips of truth

"A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away."

- Antoine de Saint-Exupry

what a gay quote. an art form isn't analogous to any other, dummy. different rules apply

But that's just wrong

what does Cred Forums think of this album?

blatant lie

Why is it wrong?

I think it very much applies to music. Why do you think it doesn't?

samefag

It's ridiculous, there are many stages in composition where there is "nothing left to take away"

ok mister

Yeah, ok. Nice shoop, buddy.

the statement doesn't apply to any artform in fact, it's complete bullshit in every single way

this is an amateur album based on the Cantery Tales

chaucerianmyth.bandcamp.com/releases

So then is 4'33 the ultimate piece?

Of course. So, at each one of those stages, you decide what you need to take away.

fool
You make it sound like it's basic classical songwriting instead of the retardation of repeating the same phrase for 5 minutes like most minimalism is, actually you'd be lucky if it was only for 5 minutes instead of an hour

>repeating the same phrase for 5 minutes like most minimalism is
Pleb detected.

you're always free to prove me wrong

Yeah, but what if that phrase is just so good that you want to hear it for an hour (I'm being facetious, of course)

It's about subtlety. Simple repetition is bad, I agree. But if there are subtle changes made with each repetition, the brain assigns great meaning to them. This makes the piece interesting (as long as one can open his mind enough to pick out these subtleties in the first place).

This is one of my favorites:

youtube.com/watch?v=zLckHHc25ww

>Jean Francaix - L'Apocalypse selon St-Jean
this is the only thing rec'd i haven't heard already. any particular recording you recommend?

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Is there a better Shakespeare related composition?

Christian Simonis's conducting is flawless

post /medieval/
youtube.com/watch?v=Zgct1STzmQQ

Question time:

What is your favorite solo instrument work that is not for keyboard?

Any answer besides Bach's 2nd violin partita is wrong,

bumping

can anyome name few other works that sound as Satie's Gymnopedies?
I love that quiet piano melody.

What're you listening to for Cred Forums's birthday /classical/?

Water walk

I'll never trust /classical/ after being recommended berezovsky's Liszt but you clowns.

You should get into completely vocal music. Renaissance polyphony etc.

Based on your list I recommend Pergolesi' and Scarlatti's Stabat Maters, Bach Mass in B minor, and Mozart Mass in C minor.

Then go back to the Renaissance - Palestrina, Lassus, Tallis, Victoria, Morales, Taverner, Fayrfax, Gesualdo, etc.

The Bach sonatas and partitas for solo violin have a special place in my heart

>wagnuh
i rec suicide

>Sonata 1.X.1905
Have you heard de Leeuw's arrangment of that? It's pretty great.

>tfw his Vivaldi
I'd bear Camignola's children desu

Ded

No, I'll have a look
>tfw no third movement because Janacek was a big silly

In the mood for Vaughan Williams today for some reason

youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc

can someone explain this meme please

I don't like vocal music but I want to learn to appreciate it. I don't consider human voice(s) to be a very pleasant sounding instrument.

are there any recordings of Renaissance, Baroque, Choral, Church Music etc works which were originally vocal but instead played on instruments?

Why is Chopin such a fucking hack? I literally don't seen the appeal, he has like 2 decent songs and the rest give me headaches.

youtube.com/watch?v=A0Wcg6FZyHA

Is there a better piece of music than Chopin - Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2 in E flat major?

Anything by Listz
youtube.com/watch?v=ZOJTan9qkVw

Jesus christ that's a terrible performance, I just grabbed the first YT video without thinking about it

You will never appreciate vocal music if you dont like the sound of the human voice. try again in 5 years time.

Rognoni transcribed one of Palestrina's madrigals for the violin.
youtu.be/7wUJ-aAB-Xk

Do not understand this meme at all

bach schübler chorales

Zzzzzzz

anyone else watching this?
sonostream.tv/live/donnerstag-aus-licht-2016-10-01

this is how western vocal music sounds
>blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>aaaaaaaaahhh
>ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
boring

overtone singing is at least mildly interesting

thanks m8s

is this person correct?

>Babbitt
He is the ultimate pleb.

Mozart is a very good composer, he makes music that make me feel things.

Petzold is a very good composer, he makes music that make me feel things.

...

>he still hasn't accepted Petzold as his lord and savior

embarrassing

tfw you finally get mahler

music for this feel

Great, now you can become an adult and graduate to Bruckner.

Mahler is a very good composer, he makes music that make me feel things.

But Bruckner is bad

How does it feel being an utter piece of fucking shitty refuse contraian pleb shitbag?

objectively false

>Mahler v. Bruckner
>Mozart v. Bach
>Petzold v. Petzold

Why do you guys keep pitting great composers against each other? Mozart isn't exactly a great composer, but you get the point.

>Mozart isn't exactly a great composer
wtf

>Mozart isn't exactly a great composer
Very very very very very very very very very funny XD

>Mozart posters are so insecure that they have to resort to ironic shitposting

absolutely pathetic

>Mozart isn't exactly a great composer

I'm being serious, why so...insecure?

best version of the hammerklavier sonata?

Schnabel or early Kempff.

>'He, who possessed the most profound knowledge of all the contrapuntal arts (and even artifices) understood how to make art subservient to beauty.'

People that listen to Mozart also have video game OSTs on their android phones

Is he the GOAT?

>specifying android phones
Apple shill detected.

Sounds like a goat.

>being poor

Babbitt is shit

All American serialism is shit

Just listen to Ives, Ruggles, Seeger, and Carter if you want God-tier dissonant American music

Fuck off German music Post Brahms and Wagner is shit

The Last hurrah of the German Spirit is Schoenberg and his school

>German music
Neither Mahler nor Bruckner were German.
>Schoenberg and his school
Not German either.

Cool opinions. What are you going to do next, call me a pleb? Fucking fool.

retard alert

loosen the sweater around your neck sebastian

>tfw too intelligent for post-Baroque music

the clavichord is better than the harpsichord btw

Maybe, but it's too damn quiet for real performance use.

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Just keep away from vocal music, you aren't worthy.

Compared to Mahler, yes.

...but too dumb for 20th century music...

Kill yourself.

>20th century music

do you mean sound art? 20th century "music" isn't music

t. sub 40 iq babby

Not an argument.

Come back when you actually know something about 20th century music lol

Rattle's "leaving home" documentary and Ross' "the rest is noise" are good starting points.

20th century music is a meme; you can keep it.

>meme
yep, its non-genetic information passed from person to person.
astute observation.

It's objectively the best period. I suppose it's your loss if you're too stupid to understand it.

k

What's your deepest darkest secret /classical/?

Mine: I kinda like Tchaikovsky

I sometimes listen to Bach.

I know, I know. I always listen to some Mozart afterwards though, to cleanse myself.

I lambaste Bach but he's actually my favorite composer.

>He doesn't like 20th century music
Its not all Schoenberg and Serialism you know:

youtube.com/watch?v=gbncXDimwbQ
youtube.com/watch?v=610xovNQU-w
youtube.com/watch?v=e1j_K752Wac
youtube.com/watch?v=PzSlmWQuHFw

>Mozart

plebeian

Tchaikovsky is based though. Only plebs who dismiss popular composers purely because they are popular have a problem with Tchaikovsky

every popular composer is bad or overrated besides Bach

Bach isn't really *that* popular though. not compared to Beethoven or Mozart. Bach is more of a musicians composer.
Either way you're one of those plebs who dismisses composers purely because they're popular.

>Either way you're one of those plebs who dismisses composers purely because they're popular
[citation needed]

I like Rimsky-Korsakov, Borodin, and Mussorgsky all better, but I'm a sucker for the Violin Concerto, String Sextet, and The Nutcracker

Maybe its just nostalgia, but I'm always happy when I listen to his ballets during Christmas time

Russian music in general is comfy Winter music

>The Rest is Noise
lol

Austria is the worst forced meme of the 19th Century.

Austrians are just Germanic Jews in general, they plot, subvert, and destroy and they get Big Brother Germany to pay for all of it in the end

Bach, Not Mozart
Beethoven, Not Haydn
Brahms, Not Schubert

>Bach, Not Mozart
Plebeian.

Mozart was an Austrian Jew, you wouldn't listen to a subersive Mountain Jew over a Honest German would you?

>listening to music made by a Lutheran
Disgusting.

>listening to music made by a Jewish influenced mason

Bach was a humble, God-fearing man, Mozart was a Satan lover

>God-fearing man
>complete glutton
Pick one.

I pick Both

also

>Mozart
>Catholic

>Alcoholic
>sexaholic
>scatoholic
>fagoholic

>calls Mozart a sexaholic
>Bach had 7 kids
>implying a God-fearing man would sin
>implying there wouldn't be less apples in the Garden of Eden if it were Bach instead of Adam
>implying Bach would even need to be convinced to eat from the tree of knowledge

J.S. was a hack, Anna Magdalena was the real genius.

noiseaddicts.com/2008/10/did-bachs-wife-anna-magdalena-write-his-music/
Misogynist Bach-apologists will deny this.

>implying Bach and God wouldn't collaborate on some amazing chorales
>implying Bach didn't have sex seven times
>implying Bach wouldn't be savored and satisfied by the heavenly delights which would temper his appetite

Makes sense

>It doesn’t sound musically mature. It sounds like an exercise, and you have to work incredibly hard to make it sound like a piece of music.

Well we already knew that

No he stole all of his music from Petzold you retards

Lmao this. And the fact that Bach produced his masterpiece chaconne after his wife's death will really make these people think.

Who had the plumpest and most pink and puckered boipucci in all of classical music history, /classical/?

Not sure about the name but this fine gentleman got to testdrive it.
Also this is out apparently.

see
Its "pleb who dismisses composers purely because they're popular" : the post

Bump

just watched the new Frank Zappa documentary and "classical music" is prominently featured.

youtube.com/watch?v=XmGQ_bvM0lQ

Why t f does Shostakovich's second cello concerto have a section with a rock 'n roll drum beat

here it is: youtu.be/de_V-k6z1Ew?t=1283

Why the fuck did he have to die so young guys?

it was the 20th century

pity Zappa's "Classical" is awful

I know it was, and in the mid '60s even. I'm just wondering if he did it on purpose.

shitcomposing on purpose is still shitcomposing.

If set out to write unlistenable garbage, then he succeeded.

I just thought it was kind of silly, but I don't know if that's what inspired him.

any more music like rachmaninovs vesper chorals? and who does them best?

maybe check out bortniansky, chesnokov and berezovsky?

Yes.
The Belgians.

Was the discussion thread good for this?

asmf.org/sir-neville-marriner/
RIP. What's your favorite recording of his /classical/?

RIP. I wonder who will go next?

>What's your favorite recording of his /classical/?
Never really listened to him that much. Heard some Mozart of his, but that's it.

Is there a place where the /classical/ charts are collected?