Who are some good modern singer-songwriters?

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>You're just getting offended because I answered your question
Even your answer was incorrect - singer-songwriter's have never been considered bourgeois, the movement as its known today got its start in the rural south and midwest among blues and country singers.

I knew what modern means and I also know what it means still to this day for the vast majority of the people using the English, so I will ask again to anyone who's not being a tryhard asshat:

Who are some good modern singer-songwriters?

>Language's role is to assemble words that have specific definitions to allow for individual humans to communicate.
And in the past hundred years the specific definition of modern has changed. To use its former definition is to misuse it.

>Singer-songwriters only exist now and there's no history of street musicians playing their own songs all throughout history
No, you're wrong about literally everything.Singer songwriters are the very same as a lord's court musician and that sort of profession in general.

Modern was a time period, it is long over.

>Who are some good modern singer-songwriters
I already answered you. Also, "were", not "are" - they'd be long dead.

No, it hasn't. An Americanised appropriation of the term made popular by it's proliferation through low-rent, US sitcoms has spread, though.
Using 'modern' as 'current' is like another tag that lets you know if someone's a middle-class pleb or not.

t. a classist git

>I lost an argument so I'll resort to name-calling because being corrected, to me, is akin to murder.
Here's your (you)

>No, you're wrong about literally everything.Singer songwriters are the very same as a lord's court musician and that sort of profession in general.
No, you're objectively wrong about this. Woody Guthrie sang to the labor unions and sang of the common folk. Hank Williams was another who, while he didn't sing to the unions, got his start as a folksinger - most biographies about him take note of the fact that he actually called himself a folksinger more than he did a country singer. Bob Dylan started by trying to emulating both of these singer-songwriters.

There are multiple people in this thread who've been arguing against you.

also
>calls other people pleb (the correct term is plebeian)
>thinks he has any ground to stand on when it comes to namecalling

>I was literally just invited to the 100th anniversary of the first post-modern work by my city's National Modern Art Gallery.
OH WOW YOU ARE SO SMART AND CULTURED. NO WONDER THE ACTUAL FUCKING DICTIONARY IS WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT!

So a loose term slapped onto a description of Bob Dylan is your way of arguing that the entire history folk music and parlour and lounge musicians throughout all of human history didn't exist? Then by your logic there are literally no 'modern' singer-songwriters because it's a title born in a Post-Modern time.

Yeah, but they're all failing miserably.

>>calls other people pleb
No one did that. I wrote the word pleb, short for plebeian, which is not a different word it's a shortened version of it. There's no issue.

>Actual proof to support an argument based in fact is bad and indicative of someone being full of themselves, especially if I TYPE IN ALL CAPS
Why are you so mad?

>Why are you so mad?
I'm not. I just think you're a poof

>>Actual proof to support an argument
You mean anecdotal evidence?

>is your way of arguing that the entire history folk music and parlour and lounge musicians throughout all of human history didn't exist?
I never said any of that. I said - and I'll say it again, that singer-songwriter music as we know it today rose up from folk music. The singer-songwriter has always been more akin to a bard than a lounge singer.

If it's made obvious that you're not going to change any opinions why are you still arguing?

There's nothing anecdotal about a Modernist Institution celebrating the anniversary of the end of Modernism. I'm sure if you look up your local National Modernist Gallery they too will have something going on.

so (you)'re a shitposter, alright. Please stick around, you'll probably shitpost a more sensible argument than anyone else in the thread.

You're going in circles. A modern singer-songwriter would be an unnamed entertainer. There may be some accounts on some of them and I'm sure there are plenty of songs of theirs passed down to us - especially war songs.

I don't share opinions unless it's a "what do you like" thread. I'm talking facts here, lad. This back and forth is literally how discussion work, it's not a hugbox, pat on the back contest where everyone agrees and jerks off.

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>There's nothing anecdotal about a...
Using your personal invitation to this abstract thing to prove your point is indeed anecdotal evidence. Read more about it here
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

You're talking facts but the ones you've talked about are wrong.

And you've been sharing opinions the moment you wrote down "bourgeois trash".

>so (you)'re a shitposter, alright. Please stick around, you'll probably shitpost a more sensible argument than anyone else in the thread.
Sure, no prob! I'll see what I can do.

I seem to have noted you called singer/songwriter as bourgeois. Can you show me some examples of this in the last fifty years? Because it seems that the profession is somewhat the opposite of that, with singer/songwriters such as Phil Ochs, Pete Seeger and the aforementioned Woody Guthrie being fairly down-to-earth.

My being invited is anecdotal, the event existing is not anecdotal. The event is the proof. The event of it being the 100th anniversary of the movement that brought about the beginning of post-modernism.

'Bourgeois trash' isn't an opinion and the context I wrote it in wasn't based in my preference, it was as a shorthand for produce devoid of integrity. That much is surely obvious, you're trying hard.

Modern singer-songwriters stopped existing 100 years ago, so I probably can't help you... However, I could maybe come up with an example of a contemporary singer-songwriter with modernist sensibilities but it might be best to just write something like:

The role of a musician as entertainer - similar to a court jester and as opposed to the military musician or the orchestra - was a role of employment and it's lineage degenerated from an upper-class pseudo-servant to entertaining the middle-class (or bourgeoisie) who, during the era of modernism, began to indulge in 'art appreciation' and other such seemingly upper-class pursuits as an attempt to appear better educated.
Cabaret Voltaire, the birthplace of Dada, is probably responsible for the rise in singer-songwriter type produce that opposes this tradition. Which is specifically the thing that's 100 years old tomorrow.

>devoid of integrity
That's still an opinion.

Integrity isn't a subjective matter, mate. Either you have it or you don't. What I was referring to shorthand as 'bourgeois trash" is the practice of musicianship akin to a wedding singer today - which is a bourgeois affair and entirely devoid of creative integrity. No opinions, you shouldn't need that explained to you.

>Integrity isn't a subjective matter, mate.
Integrity is entirely subjective.

>No, it's subjective because I say so
I'll give you another (you).
Integrity is an objective qualifier eluding to the state of [thing in question]. Creative integrity refers to the creative process that lead to the production of [thing in question] and it's validity as regards the standards and practices of all relative creative works of its time.

Example: Pitbull is devoid of creative integrity as regards the pursuit of conceptual value in music - though in terms of marketability and composing music with the intention of taking advantage of the tropes in popular music he could be considered to have some sort of integrity as a businessman or opportunist.

It's pretty simple stuff, if you don't understand that instantly without the need for an explanation then you should probably not be posting here.

>Modern singer-songwriters stopped existing 100 years ago
I didn't specify "modern". Is this a strawman to get out of answering the question?
>The role of a musician as entertainer - similar to a court jester and as opposed to the military musician or the orchestra - was a role of employment and it's lineage degenerated from an upper-class pseudo-servant to entertaining the middle-class (or bourgeoisie) who, during the era of modernism, began to indulge in 'art appreciation' and other such seemingly upper-class pursuits as an attempt to appear better educated.
Cabaret Voltaire, the birthplace of Dada, is probably responsible for the rise in singer-songwriter type produce that opposes this tradition. Which is specifically the thing that's 100 years old tomorrow.
I didn't see a name of a singer/songwriter. Try again?