Why can't you liberals figure this out?

Christopher Cruz
Christopher Cruz

Why can't you liberals figure this out?

fuck the police but fuck guns

All urls found in this thread:

crimeresearch.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/
controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
youtube.com/watch?v=SH0joU3dalE
aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full
youtube.com/watch?v=AKfcc2rM_xI
youtu.be/0rR9IaXH1M0

Daniel Smith
Daniel Smith

And if everyone pulled a gun in a mass shooter situation, no one would know who's the shooter, part of the group of shooters, or just an innocent trying to shoot the shooters. It would be a massacre as everyone shoots at everyone.

Justin Mitchell
Justin Mitchell

If you want to pull a gun on a mugger, you are retarded because you actually escalate the situation to self defence because now both of you are bearing lethal weapons at each other.

Just hand him your damn wallet and cancel your cards.

Chase Hall
Chase Hall

typical liberal response

Well trained people won't

majority shooters don't have any training

Charles Smith
Charles Smith

Ah yes Alex I'll take shit that has never happened ever for $500 Alex.

Levi Peterson
Levi Peterson

that liberal logic tho

Parker Campbell
Parker Campbell

Why can't conservatives figure out that the crime will happen one way or another. That having guns makes it easier for criminals, regardless of whether or not the public can access firearms.

And if arming everyone worked, why is the middle east still at war?

Nolan Adams
Nolan Adams

and you are implying the mugger will even let you go

cancel them
yet he can find where you live if you cancel

Juan Watson
Juan Watson

Here's a clue genius: shoot the guy wearing the trenchcoat!

Ayden Nelson
Ayden Nelson

You are making assumptions on who is trained and who isn't. The fear mongering your side does makes people buy guns, but they don't all get training. So now you have panicked people with guns in a situation like that. They won't think clearly.

You have this vision in your mind how it would unfold, but it would be a fucking mess.

Jeremiah Ortiz
Jeremiah Ortiz

peoplecantbethisretarded.jpg
mfw only one picture at a time

Jaxson Sullivan
Jaxson Sullivan

horrible example

0/10

and yet you think everyone would shoot everyone

so your logic is lets ban guns because that will stop people from trying to shoot gun free zones

Sebastian Turner
Sebastian Turner

yeah so lets take away guns from everyone! It worked so well in cities with anti-gun laws

Benjamin Ortiz
Benjamin Ortiz

Assumptions on attire. You think everyone dresses like that to go crazy? Did that loony autistic guy who shot up the kids school wear a trenchcoat? No.

Jayden Cook
Jayden Cook

The fear mongering your side does makes people buy guns

Yes because your side totally never wants to ban everything.

Brayden Reyes
Brayden Reyes

If you are being raped don't resist, try to make it as pleasurable as possible for the rapist so he cums that much faster and it is all over that much faster.

Brayden Scott
Brayden Scott

Shoot the guy with the AR-15 then!

in before hurr what if guy uses AK/shotgun/chainsaw instead

Use your fucking head.

Thomas Lopez
Thomas Lopez

It became a self defense situation the moment the mugging started you dumb fuck

Adrian Reyes
Adrian Reyes

libreral cuck doesn't know how to shoot first.

the precedent has been established long ago:
if someone breaks into your home while you're in it, you have the legal right to shoot and kill without warning. THEY are in the wrong.

Dylan Kelly
Dylan Kelly

Oh shit I totally forgot about this one on the Brady Campaign fagbook.

Hunter Russell
Hunter Russell

so many countries where people don't shoot each other every fucking day
THIS WILL NEVER WORK

Jaxson Cox
Jaxson Cox

One day Americans might reach Chilean levels of civilization

Isaiah Phillips
Isaiah Phillips

Guns should be allowed, but should comes with a unremovable mandatory protective coating that blends the scents of baby oil, police stations, working tools, soap, and job application form.

Kevin Garcia
Kevin Garcia

exluded mexico

David Foster
David Foster

Shoot the guy shooting at you and the unarmed, it's that fucking simple

Joshua Martin
Joshua Martin

3.5 per 100,000

what about number of heart disease deaths?
what about number of traffic accident deaths?
what about number of slip and fall deaths?
all of these are higher.

Anthony Martinez
Anthony Martinez

population
liberal bias
no sources on a photo
muslims

fuck outta here nigger

Jackson Cox
Jackson Cox

Why is one of the Boston bombers holding up a guy?

Easton Perez
Easton Perez

If Mexico can't make it work, no one can. All those other countries are just lying to save face.

Wyatt Campbell
Wyatt Campbell

yeah and how many mass shooters have ever been stopped by someone carrying? None, so you're both dealing in a fantasy world.

Jeremiah Gutierrez
Jeremiah Gutierrez

Yeah I totally wont be able to tell which one is a Muslim.

Aaron Russell
Aaron Russell

Not sure what you mean by any of those things except the last bit.

What about them? It's all fucking irrelevant.

Connor Martin
Connor Martin

thats because they don't become mass shootings since they get taken out so early.

ever see a shooting at a gun show?
how about a gun rally?
or any place that don't ban guns; schools ban guns and so do military bases, those get checked in and locked up cause the government doesn't trust their own military

Adam Ortiz
Adam Ortiz

Because mass shootings happen in gun free zones, or they are stopped before they truly become mass shootings(a mass shooting is 3+ killed)

Liam Cooper
Liam Cooper

They don't become mass shooting because they're stopped. You don't hear about it because that can't be sensationalized by the news. Literally right after the Orlando shooting there was another guy who tried to do a mass shooting and was stopped by a guy with a gun.

Gabriel Scott
Gabriel Scott

gun related

Thanks for showing your bias. Why not show total murder rate plotted against gun ownership? oh wait, that's because gun ownership correlates with a lower murder rate world wide. Wouldn't want to actually talk about the facts now would you...

See that solid line in the graph? That is the trend line average of all industrialized nations world wide. This is UN data. Can't wait to hear you call the UN some pro gun propaganda source.

Sauce:
crimeresearch.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/

Daniel Evans
Daniel Evans

controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/

Mason Anderson
Mason Anderson

forgetting that criminals don't follow the law

Charles Scott
Charles Scott

Home invasion is different that a street mugging. The problem is that you guys have no sense of understanding on how real crime plays out.

Burglaries are done almost always by day when people are out at work.

Muggers want quick money and don't want murder charges on their hand. They only operate in shady shitty areas, so avoid those.

Almost all theft is opportunistic crime.

Instead of investing in guns at home, which lead to loads of countless child deaths, invest in better home security if you are that terrified of intruders. Any level of actual security beyond a basic door lock deters criminals. They want it easy. If you have motion sensing lights and cameras or a big dog, they won't bother you.

There isn't a crazy violent world on your doorstep trying to kill you, but you fantasize about this constantly. You are more likely to be killed by a car accident or sing shitty illness. Most people in the US go without a murder in their family or friend's lives their entire lifetime.

Thomas Powell
Thomas Powell

Way too post a graphic without any context. How many of these are "murders" are committed by felons using stolen guns? How many are committed using handguns? How many are committed using rifles? No shit people are killed by guns but there are other ways too lower those numbers that isn't striping away at the constitution.
liberal hipocracy
deporting illegal immigrant violates the constitution
banning guns is just fine

Isaac Bennett
Isaac Bennett

nigra did you even look at the pic?

Chase Wilson
Chase Wilson

If gun control were in place he wouldn't have that gun. The price of that gun would skyrocket on the black market and he couldn't afford it. If he could he wouldn't have a shitty deranged life that would lead him to mass murder

Jayden Turner
Jayden Turner

That town clakamous (however you spell it) shooting in Oregon comes to mind. Only problem is he stopped a mass shooter before it became a "mass shooting".

Also funny how these mass shootings keep happening in gun free zones. Funny how no one conceal carries in these places.

Alexander Price
Alexander Price

It has happened at least 12 times, fuckface

controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/

Try googling something before you pull it straight out of your asshole and profess it as a fact.

Ayden Torres
Ayden Torres

you can read a criminals mind?

and alarms don't do shit

cops take time and a murder rape can happen in way less time.

typical retard liberal

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

Lets remember gun controll works here in california

Brayden King
Brayden King

Yeah that sure stopped the Muslims in France from getting fully automatic AK-47s now didn't it.

William Barnes
William Barnes

gun control? it happened in a gun free zone

and people have money

ak 47s are expensive yet people always get em.

Matthew Morales
Matthew Morales

False. A prerequisite to getting a concealed carry license is to complete a training course.

Xavier Diaz
Xavier Diaz

Yeah you know extended magazines yeah man they are illigal

William Young
William Young

the french didn't outlaw guns
they just gave up on them

Brayden Stewart
Brayden Stewart

That's the fear and fox news talking. Gun control won't repeal the second amendment. That's never, ever going to happen. But you think that's the goal.

The goal is to make it harder for Sandy Hook to happen. But your side simply says hand out more guns to more people.

We are saying maybe you don't need a machine gun or AK47. And maybe the background check should be a little more thorough and take longer to make sure we are doing a better job.

Carson Gonzalez
Carson Gonzalez

Gun laws in America is not gonna solve anything short term, long term maybe. The thing is, European countries have as societies advanced past the primitive need for violence that still is very prevalent in the American population. No laws are gonna stop the US from destroying itself, and given that 95% America is worse that monkeyanthraxaidcancer, I really won't mind.

Levi Fisher
Levi Fisher

Better home security
So that ADP can give 911 the wrong address *for you.*

Oliver Gutierrez
Oliver Gutierrez

The problem is that you guys have no sense of understanding on how real crime plays out.

Yeah I'm sure THAT's the problem.

Not you have a problem with people being allowed to protect themselves. No that's not a problem at all.

Hudson Ross
Hudson Ross

I live in suburbia.

two miles away from me, two weeks ago, random nigger starts kicking in the door. He's robbing homes during the daytime, has an active arrest warrant out for murder. Door is kicked in within 15 seconds. During that time, the retired homeowner there went and grabbed his Glock and blasted the nigger on his way in. Welcome to Texas, nigger. You're right that most people will not need a gun to protect themselves. There are thousands of people between that home and mine. But I don't want to be a statistic, I want to survive.

Logan Turner
Logan Turner

every single "everyday carry" thread

Gavin Roberts
Gavin Roberts

That's not how supply and demand works. You see how often terrorist attacks are happening in America you think this is the best time to disarm Americans?

Jose Cook
Jose Cook

Bait, people who want less gun control can't make it this far into the internet

Thomas Myers
Thomas Myers

First of all, my point was that gun control does work. Most guntards believe it automatically means more shootings because the good guys can't save the day.

Secondly, the graph I posted is for the developed world. Your graph shows that the USA has managed to beat a bunch of shit holes.

From the link you posted, here is a graph showing that the murder rate in the US is pretty high for somewhere that claims not to be a shit hole.

Brandon Anderson
Brandon Anderson

You know thoes things that crimnals can have any time yeah no thoes are illigal to the public

Henry Ortiz
Henry Ortiz

invest in better home security if you are that terrified of intruders. Any level of actual security beyond a basic door lock deters criminals. They want it easy. If you have motion sensing lights and cameras or a big dog, they won't bother you.

...And this costs how much? Per month? Versus a pistol that's a one time purchase of about $800 for something decent for life?

James Gonzalez
James Gonzalez

People generally don't get raped in the streets by strangers. They happen at parties when chicks get to wasted and they don't have any friends there. They happens by people you know.

Roughly 80% of sexual assaults are done by people the victim knows, which complicates the social situation and is why rapes are underreported.

Daniel Gutierrez
Daniel Gutierrez

The US has a fuckload more people than most other not-shithole places. It makes sense that we would have more crazies.

Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

didn't he steal the guns?

tfw you can't get a machine gun without heavy regulation and a long process.

murder rate also adds suicide rates to it as well.

Colton Brooks
Colton Brooks

The price of that gun would skyrocket on the black market and he couldn't afford it.

Chicago?

Daniel Moore
Daniel Moore

It's not rape if it's consensual.

Just to think, women could stop rape entirely!

Robert Howard
Robert Howard

Half of all homicide in the USA is committed by blacks. Over 90% of homicide committed by blacks is black on black crime.

Ignoring black crime the USA's murder rate drops by over 50%. That puts it almost as low as most European nations.

TLDR: Stay out of black ghettos and stay away from blacks and you are just as safe as any gun controlled European nation.

INB4 facts are racist

Jonathan Jones
Jonathan Jones

How many of these are "murders" are committed by felons using stolen guns?
That's one reason why I think you should get rid of guns. Legal guns become illegal guns.

How many are committed using handguns?
How many are committed using rifles?
Why does it matter?

the constitution
Isn't sacred and should be changed if not fit for purpose. As far as I'm concerned the question is "should the constitution be changed?" not "will the constitution allow us to change?"

Jace Jones
Jace Jones

Machine guns are illegal in many states and cost upwards of $15,000 and a year of legal fees and paperwork to obtain in the states that they are legal. Rifles like the AK and other semi-automatic rifles are needed to prevent government tyranny or a foreign invasion

Carter Moore
Carter Moore

So funny reading these fucktard threads, watching each side dig their heels in deeper and scream louder at the other side imagining that it's going to somehow change their mind.

Look at it this way fucktards, you BOTH have a lot to lose if things continue on the way they are, eventually you're going to hit a tipping point one way or the other and it's not going to be pretty. Why not find some common ground and compromise a little before you get rekt?

Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

Without niggers, U.S. has same gun violence as Belgium.....

Parker Miller
Parker Miller

I'm pro gun

But you don't understand what "rate" means. Rate corrects for population size and takes per capita into account. So size has nothing to do with it.

Easton Miller
Easton Miller

And in spite of how armed we are, shit still happens doesn't it? Boston? San Bernardino?
When a terrorist actually does something how come in spite of how armed we are, nothing prevents it? It's either stopped by counter terrorism before the plan executes or the plan executes anyway.

How many countless mad shootings have we had that were never stopped by an armed citizen? We never hear any shit like that in the news.

Your "I'm going to be a hero!" Fantasy never plays out in reality

Dominic Diaz
Dominic Diaz

We are saying maybe you don't need a machine gun or AK47.

And this is the stuff us gunfags are most afraid of. People wanting to make laws on things they have no fucking understanding of that affect an overwhelming majority of law abiding citizens but probably won't even deter a problem that is less than 1% of the overall gun violence.

Wyatt Cruz
Wyatt Cruz

The goal is to make it harder for Sandy Hook to happen

your face when you realize there is literally nothing anyone can do to stop this ever

Adam Morales
Adam Morales

only proving the law is not working

also guns get trafficked texas seems fine

Parker Jones
Parker Jones

It's hard to trust you gun freedom proponents when you think simplistic arguments like this are even worth making. If you can't act and talk like the grownups, you should just stay in your treehouse.

Joshua Rogers
Joshua Rogers

Yeah, it would be stupid not to take population into account. That's why it does.

Austin Thomas
Austin Thomas

Think you're missing my point. It's not about the number of people killed in general, I know how percentages work.

But we obviously have a higher concentration of crazy people BECAUSE we have a higher concentration of people. Those people kill people, sometimes several at a time. It's a spread. So we have a higher percentage of deaths because we just happen to have more crazies.

Also our culture or something blah blah fuck

Leo Howard
Leo Howard

That's the point. When the victim pulls a gun the criminal knows he's in his right to. So now the criminal has to shoot. He's but going to stand there and wait for that to happen.

Josiah Walker
Josiah Walker

in other words you have nothing and just using insults.

Cooper Myers
Cooper Myers

So you should take away the rights of tax paying law abiding citizens because a nigger stole a gun and commit a mass shooting with it? What is this grade school? We're not gonna punish Americans for the actions of their lessers.
Yeah gun control really worked for Hitler and Stalin.

Dylan Bennett
Dylan Bennett

God damn idiots still making the argument of mah guns 4 self defense

The MAIN purpose of 2nd amendment is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government. The early american settlers came from European countries that had strict restrictions on citizens owning guns, swords and other weapons used in warfare. In europe, they wanted to limit the people's ability to start revolutions.

Our forefather's believed that the only way for the people to keep a government from oppressing its own would be if the citizens could defend themselves. This is the same reason why dictators always want to de-weaponize the citizens earlier in their process.

Self-defense from crime is just a side benefit.

Dominic Morales
Dominic Morales

How does banning guns work??
Criminals are going to have guns no matter what!
Guns are better in the hands of civilians for protection than in the hands of criminals!

Oh conservative fags, sometimes you guys think way too one dimensional. Let's look at it this way. The FBI did extensive research on gun violence, available on their website, regarding gun violence and civil disputes involving guns. An overwhelming majority of potentially-lethal violent crimes were either stopped or mitigated via first response police officers WITHOUT the use of a firearm, or they were stopped or mitigated via UNARMED citizens. The majority of gun violence is solved without the retaliation from gun owners or armed police officers by nearly 7:1.

Secondly, banning guns works because once you make the sale and ownership of guns illegal... the price skyrockets. Do you know how much an unlicensed fire-arm costs in Australia? A handgun costs well over 1,000 USD. Doesn't that deter gun violence in a more impactful way than arming EVERYBODY?

Brody Howard
Brody Howard

Addressing the comment with and irrelevant scenario.

Cooper Murphy
Cooper Murphy

eventually you're going to hit a tipping point one way or the other and it's not going to be pretty

Race war...?

RACE WAR!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!oneone!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!

Justin Gonzalez
Justin Gonzalez

Lol I wouldn't want to actually argue with him either, I'm sure he accepts your surrender.

Jack Williams
Jack Williams

yeah so lets take away guns from everyone! It worked so well in countries with anti-gun laws

John Green
John Green

murder rate also adds suicide rates to it as well.

Only if it's fucking retarded. But it says "homicide" and to be fair that will include suicides. I'm not sure we can just wave away suicides like they don't matter though. If someone truly wants to kill themselves I think they should be able to, but guns make it much easier to do it on an impulse that they might regret later if they weren't dead.

Jackson Campbell
Jackson Campbell

Except these trigger happy heroes here will want to shoot the shooter in defense of someone else to end it faster. And if they don't see who it is at the start then it's all fucked.

Jaxson Wilson
Jaxson Wilson

You can't tell the difference between a clip and a magazine, or full-auto and semi-auto, but you think you have the right to tell gun owners what they need and don't need?

Parker Ortiz
Parker Ortiz

Doesn't that deter gun violence in a more impactful way than armind EVERYBODY?

no

Xavier Reyes
Xavier Reyes

How's the stabbing going on in the UK again?

Gabriel Davis
Gabriel Davis

$800 will get you a pistol that is more than decent

Matthew Robinson
Matthew Robinson

Except it's worked in every nation with such laws.

Jaxon Cooper
Jaxon Cooper

Give me one example of this happening

Gabriel Thomas
Gabriel Thomas

Machine guns and AK-47s are already illegal you dumb fuck. You need an extensive background check (beyond a normal one for normal guns), your finger prints put on file with the ATF, and approval from local law enforcement. Even if you pass the check your sheriff can say no just because they don't like you, and they do it all the time.

Machine guns are only owned by collectors that pass extensive scrutiny by law enforcement and they are used in almost no crimes whatsoever. Only once every several years.

You might as well be worried about being struck by a meteorite compared to worrying about legally owned machine guns.

And WTF do laws do to prevent illegally owned machine guns? Does another law printed on paper stop drug cartels from shipping them over the border?

Anthony Long
Anthony Long

Yeah gun control really worked for Hitler and Stalin.

Wat? Why are so many ignorant of history? Where do you get this shit?

Luis Sullivan
Luis Sullivan

No you idiot, they would shoot the person who pulled their gun to start the shooting. Unlike you, most of humanity was born with something called a brain.

Ryder Mitchell
Ryder Mitchell

It is relevant. It points out that this "huge" issue is actually small except for mass shooting situations. And those sitting statistics all have a logical context to them. It's gang shootings. Its drug deals gone wrong. Random shootings by strangers is such a small contextual portion that you are doing not harm by enabling criminals to make it easier to get guns instead of actually protecting the people as a whole.

Jacob Wilson
Jacob Wilson

doesn't mention the rate of gun crime committed by licensed, legal gunowners.

Kek.

Cameron Perry
Cameron Perry

implying the mugger can't escort you to a nearby ATM, and force you to take out as much as possible

implying he won't take your phone too

implying you have a landline to call from in 2016

implying he didn't remember the 4 numbers he made you enter

implying that withdrawal will be the only one made before your bank opens up next morning

I'll keep my wallet, actually.

Nolan Martinez
Nolan Martinez

Guns aren't toys. It's not a punishment. You're not being told "no playtime".

Do you think people should be allowed to own bombs if they don't want to kill people with them, and would it make a difference if legal bombs were stolen by extremists and used to blow up buildings?

Christian Jackson
Christian Jackson

mugger
victim pulls gun
mugger in his right to (?)
mugger kills victim
mugger national hero also 30 dollars richer
Did you leave your brain at home kid?

Austin Richardson
Austin Richardson

or fertilizer

Brandon Harris
Brandon Harris

americans have guns to protect themselvse from the state
states sends them to war for no reason
state takes all their money
state appoints two presidental candidate no one wants
no one does anything

Fucking use your guns for their intended purpose you cucks

Noah Lewis
Noah Lewis

Aside from San Bernardino, nearly ask of the mass shootings have been by Americans on Americans

Dominic Butler
Dominic Butler

Niggers don't rape

Eli Thomas
Eli Thomas

Gun control won't repeal the second amendment. That's never, ever going to happen.

Shall not be infringed motherfucker

And here is a democrat delegate saying that "common sense" gun legislation so our children are safe is just a trick to ban all guns.

youtube.com/watch?v=SH0joU3dalE

Dominic Smith
Dominic Smith

You're right that's why it's important to arm and train more citizens so they can be prepared in the chance that something does happen.

It's pretty fucking stupid to say that since gun owners aren't frequent enough too stop the odd terrorist or mass shooting that guns should banned that's fucking retarded.
How about your "banning guns stops mass murderers from committing mass murders" never plays out in reality

Thomas Carter
Thomas Carter

That number is irrelevant to the point made.

Julian Bell
Julian Bell

Shall not be infringed motherfucker

Do you even know the meaning of the word 'amendment' dumbass?

Leo Cook
Leo Cook

That bad b8. They end it before it becomes a mass shooting. Mass shooting in USA is classified as 3 people or more shot. That includes the shooter if he gets shot. So you only need to shoot 2 people and yourself for it to add to the statistics. Gang violence is our biggest mass shooting problem due to how easy it is to be added to the stat.

Justin Cook
Justin Cook

if everyone was trained to properly handle firearms there would be no mess

Lucas Nguyen
Lucas Nguyen

That's not legal in my state. Ohio says if you're home is broken into you're supposed to leave out the back door. I've only seen one case where a man was tried for killing a robber though

Ian Clark
Ian Clark

get rid of guns government can do more

Grayson Young
Grayson Young

They also have mass rapes.

Ryan Nguyen
Ryan Nguyen

if everyone was trained to properly handle firearms there would be no mess

Have you met most of the people who own firearms in the U.S.? You can't train potatoes.

Kevin Bennett
Kevin Bennett

It could work without fault in every case and still be hilariously pitiful.

Lincoln Reed
Lincoln Reed

Welcome to being a victim. I get to stand my ground against any harm against myself or my property. Congrats on being a potential future victim of crime

Isaac Morales
Isaac Morales

Yes I do. It's something that needs to be repealed in congress otherwise you can't make any laws that go against it.

So either come out and call for a repeal of the 2nd amendment or stop making laws that violate the constitution and dilute the power of the bill of rights in general.

Shall not be infringed means shall hot be infringed. Repeal the entire amendment or don't go against it at all you anti-constitutional piece of shit.

Tyler Sanchez
Tyler Sanchez

I'd rather be attacked by someone with a knife than a gun. I can run away from a knife. I can put my arms and hands in the way of a knife. It would still be shit, but I'd have more of a chance. And a mugger doesn't need to worry I might shoot them so is probably not carrying a gun, and if they are, they're not going to be trigger happy. In a place where your victim might have a gun, you have a lot more reason to just shoot them first. Lastly, people don't tend to accidentally kill each other with knives quite so much as they do with guns.

Honestly, how do you imagine guns work to protect you? If someone is waving a gun around and announcing their intent, you might be able to draw and shoot them. But if they really want to kill you and they're not a complete idiot, they will do it before you have a chance.

William Hughes
William Hughes

I never said that, there is a line and for me it stops at a ten round magazine so no 30 round high cap magazines but you can still own a semi auto rifle.

John Foster
John Foster

Fellow Cali fag here. This dude knows.

Camden Anderson
Camden Anderson

I'm not a liberal you fuck, I wouldn't follow that shit. Was just sharing information

Benjamin Edwards
Benjamin Edwards

Never said what?

Honestly I don't care how many bullets are in a magazine. I don't see how that will prevent anything.

Chase Rogers
Chase Rogers

A knife, you don't know shit user. I was stabbed with a fork and it hurt like a mother fucker. I cant imagine the pain of being stabbed once twice or 100s of times by a knife meant to cut. A gun shot is bad, but one of the worst ways to die would be stabbed. >Inb4 I'll run. Try running while losing blood

Cooper White
Cooper White

This is where the principle differs. "All life is precious, unless it steps on my property."

Random people won't break into your home to kill you unless you make nasty enemies.

My argument here is let them steal your shit and claim it on insurance. He'll get caught eventually and the justice system will take him off the street.

No lives lost. In each scenario you are all advocating murder of the person. None of you would shoot to disable and turn him in. All of you want to kill the person because you are all ready to shit your pants.

Samuel Wilson
Samuel Wilson

Fuck your gay thread OP this is now a hot chicks with funs thread.

Parker Ross
Parker Ross

Didn't say you're liberal. I'm saying your state is, and that if you choose to follow the law you will be a future victim. Damn user I thought normal citizens follow laws :^)

Matthew Garcia
Matthew Garcia

Idiotic anecdotes about home owners killing invaders don't actually prove anything. The fact of the matter is that if you have a gun in your home you are statistically more unsafe than people without one. You aren't relevantly different from the people in the statistics who shoot themselves or family members, or whose kids get ahold of the gun and shoot you or your family members. The proposition that having a gun in your home makes you safer is a complete and total fantasy.

aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

You're literally subjecting you and your family to a higher risk of violent death when you have a gun in your house. Don't say you haven't been told.

Ryder Price
Ryder Price

I didn't say you'd get stabbed and then run, I was talking about running away before you get stabbed. Then whoever wants to stab you has to chase you instead of just shoot you in the back. Although actually you probably could run, depending on where you get stabbed. There are thousands of stories of people getting stabbed in fights and not even knowing it until afterwards.

Carter Campbell
Carter Campbell

again I didn't realize you read minds

Anthony Powell
Anthony Powell

I never said people should be able to own bombs. There's a line for what people can and can't have but mass shooters tend to use high cap magazines. But if you ban them they will be forced to carry more magazines and reload more often to get the same effect as a 30 round mag.

Guns won't be restricted stay mad libfags

Cooper Foster
Cooper Foster

It's always funny when people say "But it happened in a gun free zone"

That doesn't mean anything in the US since there are Gun shows where people can even get assault weapons with the right amount of cash and little to no questions asked. Come on, don't be hyprocritical, the US is fucked. You don't want to defend yourself, you want to shoot people and wait for the opportunity.

There are so many guns in the US, no wonder why any nigger can put his hands on one.

Austin Roberts
Austin Roberts

just like if you have a car you are very likely to be injured or killed.

Ethan Johnson
Ethan Johnson

That is a NICE ass

Caleb Rodriguez
Caleb Rodriguez

Maybe liberals one day realizes that gun crime is directly correlated with poverty levels, and if you take away the legally registered guns, the criminals will still have theirs

Or maybe not

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

Random people won't break into your home to kill you unless you make nasty enemies.

youtube.com/watch?v=AKfcc2rM_xI

Thomas Gomez
Thomas Gomez

Random people won't break into your home to kill you unless you make nasty enemies.

Bullshit

Random home invasions that result in violence and murder happen every single day.

Fun fact: The UK and Australia have a much higher rate of home invasion and assaults during home invasions than the USA.

Yeah the murder rate is lower (because USA has niggers), but you are more likely to have somebody break into your home at night, assault you, and steal your shit in the UK or Australia. Why do you think that is? Could it have something to do with the fact people have guns in the USA.

Kevin Sanders
Kevin Sanders

So your ultimate solution to "peace" is to make everyone so fucking deadly that its a Mexican standoff?

Brandon Mitchell
Brandon Mitchell

This was her live-in boyfriend, schmuck.

Samuel Ramirez
Samuel Ramirez

You really think they solve all cases? They usually get away with 3-4 burglaries before being caught, unless caught by the home owner. I agree we shouldn't advocate killing them, but I truthfully agree they have 100% right to defend themselves. If you have the balls to come inside someone's house to rob them, you probably won't mind hurting them to get what you want.

Colton Morales
Colton Morales

First, shooting someone in the arm, leg, or other nonlethal area isn't guaranteed to stop someone 100% of the time. Second, if you hit an artery then you can kill someone just as easily without meaning to. Why the fuck use the most lethal weapon available to you if you aren't using lethal force?

Dylan Hernandez
Dylan Hernandez

Horrible b8

Julian Foster
Julian Foster

Nope. Start increasing police presence in black communities since that's where most mass shootings occur. Create more inner city programs for at risk black teenagers get rid of welfare and deport illegals and give more blacks higher paying jobs, because crime is connected to poverty.

Wyatt Mitchell
Wyatt Mitchell

It's sad really most male liberals are born without two things. 1 a long and girthy penis and 2 a brain.

Jackson Kelly
Jackson Kelly

living in a fantasy world where you're not only likely to get robbed at gunpoint out of nowhere, but the mugger will actually start some vendetta against you and risks life in prison just to kill some stranger

well, okay, in that world i'd love a gun too please

Lincoln Sanchez
Lincoln Sanchez

The point is faggot, that it was an "amendment" to the constitution. In other words, that shit wasn't in there in the first place, they had to go back later AMEND it to suit their needs at the time, capiche dumbass? The point you're supposed to take home here is that the constitution was never intended to be static and stagnant, it was intended to change as it's people grew and changed. So all that's going to happen here is that eventually the gun violence will get to be too much and a majority will vote in another amendment and you're going to goddamn wish you had compromised earlier instead of being such an inflexible little ass cunt.

Jackson Howard
Jackson Howard

Gun shows where people can even get assault weapons with the right amount of cash and little to no questions asked.

Care to guess how I know you've never been to a gun show before?

Luis Ramirez
Luis Ramirez

I was asking your opinion on it, and if you don't think people should have bombs, why not. The point is that, in a world where people can own bombs, your argument about punishing law-abiding gun owners could be equally applied to law-abiding bomb owners. You might think I'm being retarded because obviously bombs are a different matter, but you might think differently if you grew up in Bombland. And if you live somewhere where people don't own guns, you'll think it would be insane for so many people to own either.

Matthew King
Matthew King

be threatened with lethal force
better not escalate the situation

Cuck logic

William Parker
William Parker

So fucking true bro hhaha

Jayden Johnson
Jayden Johnson

The 2nd amendment wasn't in the constitution from the start

So it only had 1 amendment? Are you fucking serious? Please tell me you aren't this fucking dumb. Please.

The 2nd amendment, along with the entire bill of rights, was there from the start you dumb fuck.

Bentley Cook
Bentley Cook

Assault... LMFAO you have no real clue. To own a true assault weapon needs a license to own and sell and for them to do a huge background check. No legitimate owner of one would sell it or could legally sell it to anyone on the street. If you're referring to an AR-15 or other guns with that look, that's it, just a look. They are styled to look cool but no different than many guns used to hunt. Mini-14 I use to hunt can hold a 30 round clip and shoot just as fast as my AR. True definition of assault would mean fully automatic. If not they are semi-automatic rifles.

Jaxon Thompson
Jaxon Thompson

eventually the gun violence will get to be too much and a majority will vote in another amendment
lol ok faggot

Liam Hall
Liam Hall

0 death is a Strawman argument. Criminals will find a way to get a gun. That WHAT MAKES THEM A CRIMINAL dumbass.

Juan Anderson
Juan Anderson

you'd have a slightly higher quality circle-jerk if you posted this image on /k/, because instead of getting one guy who vaguely disagrees, you'd have zero guys who disagree in any way, and your "everyone is stupid except people who agree with me"-boner would be free to throb unimpinged.

Christopher Phillips
Christopher Phillips

I didn't mention alarm. If you have cameras and a light and they can see that their actions are recorded, they know they can't get away with anything. Having an alarm by itself does nothing.

No I can't read their mind, but those are all statistically proven facts of you ever took a crime class in college.

I'm taking deterrents. If there is someone who is absolutely trying to target a specific individual, then they won't care for any of that. And they will take action in a deliberate way to make sure you aren't able to get that gun anyway.

Justin Gray
Justin Gray

I dont have any power so compromise now or I'll whine like a little girl that you should really compromise with me ok? Please, you meanie pants
You argue like a little girl, bitch

Brandon Stewart
Brandon Stewart

amendment

Alexander Phillips
Alexander Phillips

Because bombs don't serve an alternative purpose except if you blew them up for fun. Guns are used for self defense, hunting, have value to the owner like if it was your great grandads m16 or hunting rifle.

Nathan Collins
Nathan Collins

compromised

DING DING DING it's the magic word!

Define compromise for me right now.

Kevin Howard
Kevin Howard

Plus what is a mass shooting? That is such a umbrella term. That has no clear definition too it. Another buzz word that means nothing

Gavin Baker
Gavin Baker

Gun shows where people can even get weapons with the right amount of cash and little to no questions asked.*

Isaac King
Isaac King

WATCH OUT GUYS LOOK AT HER ASSAULT RIFLE. FUCKING DUMBASSES

Joseph Peterson
Joseph Peterson

So all that's going to happen here is that eventually the gun violence will get to be too much and a majority will vote in another amendment and you're going to goddamn wish you had compromised earlier instead of being such an inflexible little ass cunt.

Gun violence and crime in general is and has continuing to go down...

Chase Powell
Chase Powell

Hey you liberal cucks, guess which one died first.

Brandon Price
Brandon Price

It means each side gives a little for the better of the country. But you go ahead, dig in your heels even more and spout your bullshit and eventually you'll actually get your wish and the liberals really will take your guns away. So fucking stupid

Jordan Roberts
Jordan Roberts

Technically not a skaree 'salt rifle.

No pistol grip, no thing that goes up.

It does have a high capacity clipamazine capable of shooting 100 30 caliber clips a second.

Jayden Hernandez
Jayden Hernandez

History, I don't think you have read it

The 2nd amendment was in the first ratified version of the constitution. They didn't go back and amend shit you dumb fuck. It's been in there from day 1.

INB4 articles of confederation. I'm talking about the Constitution of the United Stated of America. The 2nd amendment has been there since the first ratified version of the constitution. They didn't "go back" and add it at any point you stupid motherfucker.

Anthony Ramirez
Anthony Ramirez

And no background checks?

Again, wanna know how I know you've never been to a gun show before?

Xavier Foster
Xavier Foster

and "hot" burglaries are when someone invades the home when you're home. Those skyrocket in countries and areas where guns are banned. THey also result in some serious rape and murder rates.

Angel Ramirez
Angel Ramirez

More

Colton Robinson
Colton Robinson

No questions. You have no earthly idea if you think you'll find "assault" rifles at a gun show. Those are hard to find and even harder to buy. A guy with a clean background could have 100k cash. If he tries to buy a fully auto it would have to be an illegal deal. Cause even at a gun show they do background checks. And do not sell to anyone not local to that said state. I was denied for a permit and I have never even had a speeding ticket. I was denied it. Not anyone can get an assault rifle.

Bentley Phillips
Bentley Phillips

Just look at rich countries where guns are not widely-available to be proved wrong.

1) When guns are not common, they are more expensive. Partly because of supply and demand, and partly because you can't just buy a legal gun and turn it into an illegal gun.

2) Most criminals have no need to murder, so they won't just increase police attention and a possible sentence by doing so.

3) Most criminals in places that aren't awash with guns are not afraid of getting shot, and hence don't feel the need to carry a gun that means they're constantly at risk of getting caught and being given a heavy sentence.

Grayson Powell
Grayson Powell

How many are committed using handguns?
How many are committed using rifles?
Why does it matter?

It matters because almost all gun crime is related to handguns while pretty much no crime is committed with rifles. So wanting to ban rifles due to handgun violence is fucking retarded. Oh wait, liberals.

Brayden Johnson
Brayden Johnson

And you're giving up what exactly?

What rights are you losing/restricting?

Thomas Brown
Thomas Brown

"covered by survey"
I'm guessing this excludes all black and black on black homicide because USA is definitely at the top of the list. Also a rate isn't measured in tens you dumb nigger.

Elijah Cruz
Elijah Cruz

Ok buddy. Here's the idea most liberals agree with.
Everyone has the right to a gun if you want one
You do not have the right to the real life equivalent of Doom's BFG
It's simple

Cameron Martinez
Cameron Martinez

youtu.be/0rR9IaXH1M0

Watch this you retarded cucks.

Ethan Parker
Ethan Parker

Sexy

Robert James
Robert James

(You)
History, I don't think you have read it
The 2nd amendment was in the first ratified version of the constitution. They didn't go back and amend shit you dumb fuck. It's been in there from day 1.
INB4 articles of confederation. I'm talking about the Constitution of the United Stated of America. The 2nd amendment has been there since the first ratified version of the constitution. They didn't "go back" and add it at any point you stupid motherfucker.

If it was there from the start then it wouldn't be an 'amendment to the constitution' now would it you fucking imbecile. Seriously go look up what the word means because you 're embarrassing yourself now

Liam Davis
Liam Davis

I would finger her with the tip of the gun. Make her cum with that then pull the trigger and then rape her dead body

Cooper Foster
Cooper Foster

its ok, he is just going to whine and cry to get his way on whatever issue he reads about in the huffington post each week, then give up and move on to the next non-existent social justice issue.

Whiney little tryhards like him have no real issues in their lives so they have to manufacture controversies and injustices to feel important on social media before returning to their sad little lives.

Isaiah Ramirez
Isaiah Ramirez

Just aim for all the non whites, all the free ones are just criminals that weren't caught yet.

Carter Collins
Carter Collins

Stupid. Only a minority of people would have guns. You find the solution that nobody want, except the criminals.

Owen Brooks
Owen Brooks

first off why is called an assault rifle

Stopped right there.

Jackson Cox
Jackson Cox

Well meme'd

Thomas Green
Thomas Green

It funny to me that the gun freaks want no government because they are afraid their guns and rights will be taken away if it gets out of control. Yet the mindlessly praise the country and day we need to spend more money on our military. Those shitty guns won't take down the drone in the sky or person who freezes their bank account. Instead they sit on their porch fearing every other gun owner.

Josiah Morgan
Josiah Morgan

Apparently your dumbass hasn't heard of Switzerland or Vermont. Guns awash, but a very low homicide rate.

Maybe there's some other factors going on here.... HMMMM

What do Switzerland and Vermont have that Liberia and Detroit don't?

Let's put our thinking caps on for this one.

Oliver Wood
Oliver Wood

This has to be bait. I'm not.... doing this lmao

Julian Watson
Julian Watson

you are all advocating murder of the person

It isn't murder if it's legally justified.

Also, claiming on insurance is murky business. You need proof of possession, receipts, appraisals, some sort of documentation of your possessions and their worth. I barter and craft a lot of things for personal use, I have heirlooms, and illegal goods, none of which would get back to me. And who says I'd want to kill him? I'd love nothing more than to look him in the eye as the gavel seals his fate. Get to dress up all nicely and take my gf into town, have her bawl her eyes out to our shrink, and then take him to civil, have the shrink testify, and get paid for any destroyed property and "emotional damages".

Caleb Hill
Caleb Hill

Sexy lesbian gun carrying women

Matthew Stewart
Matthew Stewart

Yet oddly, if you add in all the nigger nations things change dramatically. In fact, why don't you include a percentage of population who is black to your chart, or is that even necessary since all the bars would probably match?

Parker Rodriguez
Parker Rodriguez

then youre a MORON. lol. Knives are horrific. HORRIFIC. Bats, knives, cleavers and the such are a HORRIBLE way to die. lol.
anyone who has taken a self defense or fighting class knows the knives are scary as shit.

Connor Hall
Connor Hall

2016
trusting the fbi

So how much does Hillary pay you?

Jackson Rivera
Jackson Rivera

Is that Stephanie Hayden?

Adrian Morales
Adrian Morales

There are none because not once has an armed citizen stopped a mass shooting.

Cooper Morgan
Cooper Morgan

Actually I depise government

Also you still have to send men in to stop people and its difficult with guns legal

Isaiah Hernandez
Isaiah Hernandez

OK. Well I don't know about most people, but I do think handguns are a far higher priority to ban or heavily restrict. Handguns are made for shooting people. Rifles and shotguns not necessarily so much.

Christopher Smith
Christopher Smith

But most of them dont use it

Brayden Roberts
Brayden Roberts

Presumably the average citizen would be far less comfortable in a violent, high stress encounter than a police officer. And we've all seen plenty of videos showcasing how cops handle high stress situations.

So fuck off with this "well trained" shit.

Leo Ward
Leo Ward

hahahaha what?!?! make enemies?!?!? hahahahahahahahahahaha
also, not all life is precious. we're animals. Evolution dumbass. survival of the fittest. Use, acceptance and training with guns makes me better adapted to survive.
but seriously. . . .making enemies?!!?! hahahahahaha stop watching so many tv dramas. hahahahahahahaahahah

Jaxson Powell
Jaxson Powell

Holy fuck you can't be serious.

You literally don't even understand how the constitution was written. The sad thing is that you have no clue how fucking dumb you are making yourself sound. I should just keep letting you talk. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

The constitution, in it's first approved form, had the 2nd amendment included. It was never "amended" into the constitution at a later date.

Jacob Perez
Jacob Perez

You can't tell how a nuke works but you think you can tell people how policy around it should go?

Oliver Miller
Oliver Miller

If you read again, you'll see that I corrected myself. I had something else on my mind when I wrote this.
I went to a gun show and official dealers to buyers are not the only transactions you can do there. Some people exchange guns or sell their guns between the display stands. There are so many people, you can't check on what everyone's doing.

Ayden Russell
Ayden Russell

Injuring is an unproper use of cars. Killing people is the proper use of guns.

Ayden Peterson
Ayden Peterson

did you sleep through history class?
You can't really be this fucking dense can you?
I really don't think its him who is to be embarrassed here...

Jackson Baker
Jackson Baker

outliers disprove the trend

Brayden Hernandez
Brayden Hernandez

I don't though so ... try again?

Easton Clark
Easton Clark

People who have guns in their house think they're a safety feature. In fact they're a hazard.

Luis Gomez
Luis Gomez

Killing animals**
That's like saying the spear or bow was invented for killing you stupid fuck

Cooper Cook
Cooper Cook

all we ask is that you make nukes not so fast anymore or blow up a ton of people.

Landon Evans
Landon Evans

Random people won't break into your home
you've obviously never lived outside the suburbs

Jaxon Ramirez
Jaxon Ramirez

dude. The 2nd amendment isnt about weapons. its about self defense. If the weapon cant be used in self defense then it's not covered. So nukes, huge bombs etc arent covered as they take innocent life even in the most discretionary of use. DUMBASS.

Isaiah Powell
Isaiah Powell

It's real simple guys...you've got the liberal faggot pussies who are afraid of the big bad guns because they know nothing about them but they think legislating against them will magically fix the problem when the country is already completely saturated with firearms.

Then you have the gunfag morons who sit at home stroking their AR-15 in one hand and their puny little cock in the other whilst fantasizing about a big bad nigger who's going to break into their home and threaten their family so they can kill him and be a big hero just like Bryan Mills

You're all fucking imbeciles, seriously grow the fuck up already

Eli Gray
Eli Gray

drone
Yeah those sure have kept Afghanistan and Iraq under control haven't they.

And why the fuck do you assume that the military, which is made up of mostly pro gun conservatives, will be on your anti-constitutional side if there ever is a civil war. One thing is for certain, if there is a civil war liberal cucks like you will be the first to die.

Aiden Martin
Aiden Martin

Do I have to get the list?

Brody Murphy
Brody Murphy

murder doesn't happen, nobody will ever try to kill anyone ever ever ever

two seconds later

murder rate is too high! ban guns!
you're all advocating murder, murderers!

Fuck me sideways, holy shit.

Leftists are dangerously brainwashed.

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