How old were you when you grew out of liberalism?

12... it was my older brother's

liberalism is center you fucking tard. have you even passed 8th grade socials?

13. When people elected the retard-ass nigger into office, I lost faith in liberalism. People voting some chimp for the sole purpose of having a black president. Been conservative since.

pretty old
too old
around 26-27

4. The entire mindset just didn't make sense to me any more.

20. It was my own fucked my back and shoulder up, kek)

>When did you become a reactionary who bases things off gut reactions and doesn't care about the world outside of their bubble
Never did, thankfully. I'm not a sociopath or incredibly selfish.

When everyone started realizing how stupid SJWs were and i stopped giving a fuck about anything. so, 20?

This is kind of hilarious honestly, the number of edgy rebellious conservative kids these days. That used to go the other way but I guess since your parents are liberals, this is how you piss them off. Maybe you'll wise up eventually but I don't guess I really care if you don't.

Probably around 17 right after getting accepted to college. (This was about a decade ago). I used to listen to npr and shit and then I started doing something no liberal is supposed to do: I researched the opinions and facts backing up the other side.

It was like walking out of the cave for the first time.

Needless to say my college idea went from getting a degree in a liberal art like music or art to getting a degree in STEM

sadly the "right" hates intellectuals. Sorry bro.

PS: please tell me more about the "global warming" conspiracy

14
No joking.

Thinking liberal is center. Socialism taught to this one early on I see

*fixed

Believing you're more intelligent based on political beliefs pretty much proves you aren't very intelligent

14, when I got my first paycheck. Fuck liberals...

the only thing worse than a conservative is a libertarian

>right is on the left
>left on the right

lol, typical libfag

Three. The lib-tard elitists that ran my daycare tried to get me to share my hard earned crayons with some nigger chimps from The Blue Table and that's when I knew it was all bullshit.

They didn't earn them. I'd skrimped and saved all those coins from under The Red Couch and given them to Mommy to buy me MY crayons.

I DON'T LIKE SHARING!

Lib-cucks make me cranky!

b&ted

i took that exact test and was placed as a left wing libertarian, which is stupid because i'm actually quite racist and don't believe that lazy poor cunts should be helped to find work, retards should breed ETC.

i think what scewed my results as they had LIKE A WHOLE FUCKING PAGE on gay rights, and obviously, being i fag i was like shit fam, gimmie deez rights

it's ok, I have nothing better to do right now

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what this picture does't show is that all these books are titled "MAYB ABW HUSSAIN LINCKIN WUS WRONG? Y U SHUD VOTE TRUMP - THE SOUTH WIL RISE AGEN FUK TE JUWS"

Sure... If it was the kid's fairy tale selection of books. No liberal adult I know reads anything more than fantasy fiction bull or gaming manuals.

I was an empty vessel who listened to conservative talk shows, lucky for me it was the correct ideology.

>people on Cred Forums pretending they aren't all 14 years old

8 or so when i discoverd the internet

>southerners
>fuk te juws

ooooookay

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That's the same shtick they say about atheism.Kids just did it to piss their parents off.The fact is the internet has made it easier to obtain and analyze information,thus more kids become atheist and more kids turn to the right.

I was a diehard liberal until the age of 16. I sometimes still have nightmares about what color my hair would be now if I didnt have intelligent people around me

>When did you become a virtue-signalling hypocrite who bases things off emotional reactions and doesn't care about the world outside of who HuffPo told them is oppressed

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Catholic priests = conservative

What can you take from this?

Conservatives fuck little boys

Yes, all conservatives are edgy teenagers, have an upvote my good sir

14. I went from browsing anti-feminist videos, then just anti SJW in general. I eventually found my way from there to videos on white genocide, and here I am today.

Neither did you apparently, so pathetic.

19. I'm 22 now. I still consider myself left-leaning but "liberal" is such a poisoned concept to me, now. I still believe in equity and liberty but no one deserves special treatment on the basis of their ancestry.

This to be honest.

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I wanted to know if I was gay, turned out it wasn't as much fun as I'd hoped it would be, neither was gay sex. Went home relieved.

green text it

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Only grew into it briefly, at fifteen, and was back out a year later.

everyone else grew out of accepting your gayness, why can't you

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holy shit this thread, literally this year. Im 24

if you're under the age of thirty, you haven't grown out of anything yet

Lmao you considered a liberal degree ? Your political affiliation isn't holding you back in any way. You just happen to have low functioning autism

>It's an "user Doesn't Know the Difference Between Liberalism and the Left Wing" episode

LoL and no one ever fucked you :^)

Or, alternatively, if you still browse Cred Forums.

Like seriously, I just came here for some porn, you guys do know this is the newfag containment board, right?

How do liberals react to science which reaches negative conclusions about minorities? Or did you not learn about that in Sociology of Diversity

>unironically claiming the media doesn't have a liberal bias

Interesting argument my friend

Interesting that you'd draw that out of thin air without prompting, almost like it was already on your mind. Really makes you think

Everybody uses the colloquial definition faggot

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>thinks politically right individuals believe climate change to be a conspiracy
Don't confuse bought and paid for cuckservative politicians and their sheeple with actual conservative thinkers.

Female and black politicians = Liberals

What can you take from this?

Liberals fuck over countries

Im a conservative and its sad to see how poorly educated my fellow conservatives are. I just wish we'd wake up as a community and focus more on education instead of fear mongering and religion.

>thinking that liberalism is the same as left

Never started.
Never been a liberal.

>everyone else grew out of accepting your gayness

kek it's not 2006 anymore fam sorry to inform

>Everybody uses the colloquial definition faggot

No, they don't. It's just idiot Americans, who consider even a moderate centrist to be a socialist.

You dont get too old for liberalism

Your bank account gets too big for liberalism

18. College really redpilled me and going from a 96% white state to a 65% one gave me first hand experience of how niggers really aren't like us and aren't deserving of equal standing.

Richest man in america is a liberal, but you tell yourself otherwise if it helps you sleep at night.

>Religious
>Hates homosexuals.

What kind of books does he have in mind exactly?

Better than having "conservative" parties like the CDU or Les Republicains. If Merkel and Sarkozy got married they'd probably adopt an Algerian

I live in a city that's fucking 75% nigger, and at least 75% of those are the kind of nigger who sit and smoke crack all day and let their houses go to shit while they drive Mercedes that other people are paying for. They really should be shipped out and back to Africa.

>thinks liberalism isn't the first step to socialism which leads to communism

Did you even read Das Kapital & Das Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei you wannabe commie hipster faggot?

you do realize that the majority of your family regardless of being black or not is probably too stupid to deserve the space they waste right ? I mean like fuck niggers yeah but you have to realize you're probably just as worthless.

15, my parents were divorced so I was around my dad more, the more he talked about his ideas politically, the more sense they made than libertarian ideas

It's not a dichotomy you fuckhead. There are books and arguments on a multitude of issues beyond the simplistic right-left debate.

I became Libertarian. I want smaller government and the right to exist without SJW landwhales making me feel guilty for it, but I hate Bible fuckers and ignorant rednecks.

that comic is backwards....
liberals are the retard cucks

15, and it was my own

why not - you fags are all on the same team, pushing the same shit agenda. Name 5 "top conservative thinkers" who believe in global warming.

go, I'll just wait here.

>How do liberals react to science which reaches negative conclusions about minorities? Or did you not learn about that in Sociology of Diversity

Yeah, they don't handle it well. But at least they _went_ to college. More than I can say for most conservatives. The only "book" they have on the right picture would be an unread bible, and some secret titty magazines they hide from their wife.

But he's right user.

How it works is you get your own house and a good job and savings and then you start getting worried in case you lose this stuff. You start putting your own comfort over what's best for society as a whole. That's why you start fearing change and reform, start hating taxes and start getting paranoid, which means you start turning on the outsiders, the minorities.

But not everybody who gets riches loses sight of what's best for society as a whole.

Everyone's a liberal until they have money.

nice to see communism is still a world threat.

>but I hate Bible fuckers and ignorant rednecks.
>and I love the religion of peace
Wow. You're such a fucking faggot god damn.

That's the problem with right though. Everything sounds reasonable until you are on the short end of the stick at some point. I know quite a few people who were strong rightwing voters for years, but then something unexpected happened in their life (lose a leg, very sick child, parents need intense health care) and suddenly they weren't so sure anymore. Not even making an argument against right here btw, I just think it's peculiar.

Why don't you stuck your conservative and liberal theories in your ass? Is it so hard for you faggots to spot that there is no perfection and you just have to stay for the good? Which is = help people in need.

If, no, than yes.. you are a true btard. Which is not something to be pround of.

But they are conservatives. What you have are crypto-facists and the mentally ill.

Spot the low IQ.

what's best for society is moot (and there is literally nothing that would benefit every single member of society)
the only thing that matters is what's best for me

17-18
saw a lot of shit transitioning from high school to college

this 100x this. just like everyone wants to be "tough on crime" and votes for mandatory sentencing. Then little bobby brings his dad's unloaded gun to school. They don't understand why he is going to prison for 5 years.

I was never a liberal. I was raised to believe that there's a right and wrong, the importance of personal responsibility, hard work, humility, not blindly accepting what hiveminds believe, caring for others, when government is necessary and when it's not, and standing up for my beliefs without being an ass.

Then you're a liberal.

15, when I got a job. Taxation is theft.

left
liberalism
pic one

>liberals
>smaller government

Well there are still Jews on this earth and Communism was founded by a fat, rich jewish bolshevik.

Yo is this dude fucking retarded

lmao nigger

This thread is a perfect example for a low-iq-test. Thank you, OP. You failed.

Angry liberal detected

no, not the pereson you are refering to, but "small government" means:

- cutting programs for the mentally ill
- cutting programs to give food to starving children in the US
- cutting regulation on banks ( enjoy getting robbed blind )
- cutting regulation on industry ( enjoy your cancer )

etc.

Your thread sucks and you should feel bad.

Lol seriously? My fears for the future, in text form

I really dont know, i mean, all my life i asked to my parents all the time all about everything, when i was 8 maybe, i stopped believeing in God, some years later i started to think that al the people have different ideas, and all of them can be questioned, but, the Left people... its just people with shit in his head. :v

>Lives in a world where liberalism and freemarket led to the fall of the USSR
>Thinks liberalism has anything to do with socialism
If you read anything about cientific socialism you would know that it was not libertarian socialism, so stop talking shit about books that you probably just heard about in your history class edgy fag.

I was always a Libertarian.

Asuming he doesn't hate islam more

>what's best for society is moot (and there is literally nothing that would benefit every single member of society)

Novody said what benefits every single member of society, I said what's best for society. Which usually means the greatest amount of happiness for the greatest number of people, within other ethical frameworks.

>the only thing that matters is what's best for me

An incredibly juvenile and selfish way of approaching life.

I'm a right wing non religious non homophobic man. I'm also an economics major

12 liberalism is retarded communism is the way to go. Join the good fight!

What's the bottom pic?

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Conservatives are the bane of humanity. Throughout every historical epoch, they've been responsible for untold amounts of suffering. Why, then, would someone grow out of its antithesis, liberalism?

I grew back into it tbh, i used to be top right square

please explain to me why other people matter as much as (or more than) I do

It depends man, in Canada being liberal is beinf center... In US liberal is far left... In Argentina a liberal is far right

Not OP, but are you just thowing insults at us or are you gonna tell us your shitty opinion?

Communism is still far superior to capitalism, you fat American cunt

Is because liberals BECAME "the man"they used to fight against.

You mean the richest man in America virtue signals with his wealth to assuage the guilt he feels from being wealth? Like how champagne socialists always promote left wing policies to offset their guilt about being rich?

The only information he provided about his family was that they come from a majority white state, which is enough for you to declare that they're "probably too stupid to deserve the space they waste"? Hmmm

Indeed, but we have a binary vote.

>admits higher education is biased towards liberalism
>"conservatives are just stupid for not going to college though"

Not in the slightest, this thread just sucks.

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and then I grew back into it when I was 17 and left my edgy teenager phase

mmm... love me some thesaurus in the morning

What part of LIBERtarianism do you not understand?

Keked

>Communism is still far superior to capitalism, you fat American cunt

That's why communism failed and capitalism is still around.

I prefer bottom right but as long as people are libritatarian I don't have problem with them
LIBERTY OR DEATH. DON'T MAKE ME PAY FOR YOUR SHIT

You cucks only came over when your party was over run by feminism and sjw

>capitalism hasn't failed humanity

Better yet, how old where you when you realized all of humanity and its many facets were all equally shallow, bland and one dimensional?

Because that's all I see from this thread.

Shallow, bland, one dimensional humans that are as boring as fuck.

Because being in a cooperative society increases your psychosocial integration, and consequently your psychological well-being. Fragmented, non-compassionate societies such as ours rob us of our potential for happiness.

Take your Ayn Rand fandom elsewhere

Exactly

Like who?

>understanding meme speak

>why do these pictures have that awkward nigger skull structure where the back of they head stick out farther than they neck?
You type like a nigger

Your whole comment is just so fucking stupid, user. I'm serious read a book once in your life.

Then you, sir, are not left leaning. In fact, i believe you'd be character assassinated by actual lefties

Lmao faggots claiming to be rightwing when they weren't their whole life until SJWs nearly sent them to prison with rape case threats, nice threads m9s xexehd

Sadly, the left hates reality.

P.S. Tell me how politicians care about you and want to help everyone. Talk about a fucking delusion. SUUUURRREEE they want to leave a better planet for people who won't be born for 100 years. Just so full of compassion. You are a fucking moron.

>Liberal = Left
>this is what burgers actually believe
unironically kill yourself

*tips moral high ground

>what's best for society is moot

When I started arguing with myself.
Proud I/E NTP here
>dmt and psilocybin helped open my views on a few things

Wat

Because we are a social species. We live in a society and the way we have survived and have thrived for the last 5000 years has been through the pooling of resources and through co-operation.

Human civilisation came about through people toiling in the fields so that specialist classes would have the time to make metal, draw up calendars, build walls etc.

And you're talking for him now?

Can we agree what the real problem is?

youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY

When I got the first pay stub from my first real job and saw all the taxes they took out to support this societies leeches.

Everyone is a liberal until they see their first paycheck.

Detroit or Chicago or st Louis. No?

Is there really this trend of edgy teens condoning conservatism? God I hate these stupid little fucks.

Nah. I'm projecting. Hoping he's not one of them.
We don't need more culture cucks
The west is best

>Ayn Rand

Nigga have you not played BioShock?

That's Nice,France. That day some radical muslim came over to spread the religion of peace. And the worst thing about that image is that it's true and no one seems gives a single fuck.

I would if i knew someone who could hear. 99% would just listen and then shit on me without even knowing what the fuck is going on. Which explains my first post.

Dude if your only argument is actually hurr durr read more you should end yourself for the sake of humanity.

never needed to, as I like to find problems to solutions. And there are so many solutions provided by both sides...

Underrated post

>need muh govt programs
How did we do it before FDR? Lmao you stupid welfare nigger

Why not argue that those people who suffer misfortune now have their perspective distorted by self-interest?

>muh fascism

You have let your politicians gaslight you into thinking any actual conservative policies will inevitably lead to genocide and war. Our ebil fascist government hasn't started the ethnic cleansing yet, Pierre.

"You're dumb" would be a more convincing argument if it wasn't riddled with grammatical errors.

Let's see yours faggot

Revolutionary liberal change really worked out well for the Soviets, huh?

You mean when your oneitis left you for Chad and you needed to be told that it wasn't your fault?

Lazy answer derived from being overwhelmed by the complexity of society

I live in Greece (poornigger), the vast majority of liberals here are anarchists/communists so it's either complete retards or extreme leftists (just as bad as extreme rights). Most of the people that grow up in a 1st world country without influence from religion or the past generations turn out to be in the center and left leaning.

Edgy niggers saying they're right leaning, you'll eventually grow out of it when your ass won't be in danger anymore.

Ich bin Deutscher du Schwuchtel.

Capitalism>Communism

mahnigger.jpg

I've been hard right my whole life. We need more guns in this country, less people a different color than me in this country because logic. We need to spend more money on the military, tax the rich people less so they can create all the jobs we have. We need more christian based laws, more christian freedoms, no taxing religious groups because they're obviously all modest fellows who only use their donations to help the less fortunate. We need to get rid of bigger government unless that bigger government is for military/surveillance purpose, because the only way to stop terror is through more military/surveillance.
The constitution is literal and should never be reinterpreted, just like my holy bible it is written by flawless humans with flawless logic that transcends any developments that could ever happen. Abortion is wrong. Stem cell research is wrong. Climate change doesn't happen. The media is wrong unless they are complimentary of the right and demonizing anything leftist.

I know everything is true because I thought it, and people I agree with agree with me.

Exactly. Living in a cooperative, compassionate society increases our psychosocial integration and thus our psychological/emotional well-being (i.e., happiness). Conservative politics, which condone the maintenance of our current social order, which is a highly fragmented one, robs us of our humanity and potential for happiness. Such politics are ethically justifiable and must be immediately, and indefinitely eradicated.

Just curious, what are the main things you're liberal about and what are the main things you're conservative about?

Whining until you get your way isn't a solution to a problem.

>liberalism led to the fall of the USSR

Yes led by our favorite liberal leader Ronald Reagan..........wait

Man, I just want the one that gives a one-world government

>Our ebil fascist government hasn't started the ethnic cleansing yet, Pierre

What do you mean? Your government had already been doing it for over 100 years by 1900.

How about we stop getting so damn butthurt over a few muslim terrorists. Thousands of Americans are killed by other Americans each year, yet we're not yelling about how terrible America is. Thousands of people are killed due to drunk driving every year, yet we're not yelling about how evil alcohol is. There are plenty of moderate Muslims out there that show that you can be a muslim and not be a terrorist

I've never been a liberal

Actually the root word portion is LIBERTarian. Meaning liberty. Faggot

I graduated high school last year, and was on the Sanders bandwagon with the entire rest of my class, totally against Donald trump. Then I watched a video one of his rallies and never looked back.

You have issues with your personality.

BUT MUH CONSERVATIVISM

Nobody gives a fuck faggots, once the fuckberals are defeated, a lot of people will depart from the so called "alt-right".

And cybernetic transhumanism, can't forget that

>crying about having to contribute to your fucking country

>so self centered like most rights that you cant see that our country is a group effort, and everyone needs to do their part.

it never was and never will be every man for himself. quit bitching and get used to being part of a country.

Oh wow I just looooooooove communism.

Stay mad libcuck

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ITT: poor people who think they'll be rich somehow, commies, and trust fund children arguing about their collection of berenstein bear books

You don't have the authority to force anyone to do anything.

Closeted faggot detected

No, they just need to understand how their system simply isn't that good.

Said the 13 YO teenager.

>Revolutionary liberal change really worked out well for the Soviets, huh?
This is the common error known as "false abstraction." You believe that a concrete example of a particular phenomenon defines it in the abstract sense, when in actuality, the opposite is true; abstractions lay the necessary and sufficient definitional groundwork for concrete forms.

Just because revolutionary liberal change has failed in the past, obviously doesn't mean that it's necessarily doomed to fail in all possible future instances. This is so obvious that it shouldn't have to be told to anybody, and it's a shame that false concreteness is still a major talking point in contemporary discourse.

.....he's right tho..

You were trying to tell me something about Communism without even reading Marx?

>hurr durr read more
You know what. Don't. Keep repeating the shit you heard somewhere without having an actual clue about it like all the other good goyim.

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the government has that power

nigger

The only answer

I am an anarcocapitalist. What does this means?

That's pretty scary bruh

...yes. The same root as the word "liberalism".

Libertarianism is a liberal doctrine. In fact, it is just about the most liberal doctrine out there.

"Might makes right" isn't a valid argument for the derivation of authority.

Prefer an imperial regime with an economy of capitalism, personaly

Prisons for the mentally ill, child labor, 14 hour workdays, widespread industrial accidents, a few economic depressions, and lets not forget the privately owned security that corporations used to beat the shit out of employees that even thought of asking for better workplace safety

>Thinking that any political party in the actual system is not liberal
republicans also support free market dude.

back then your kids worked in the coal mine, you worked in the factory and nobody went to college except the really rich people's kids

enjoy being a peasant again and starving to death when you get the flu because you couldn't afford a vaccine

Me too, nigger

Brofist

you dont know what the word moot means so dont use it

How? Lmao. K,nigger

Both sides of the spectrum are willfully ignorant, at least in the US. Most people need to pick a side in order to participate in 'educated' conversation, but they're just as bad as people who don't understand politics at all.

You forgot European

>tfw you can't prove your accusations and the libertarians not acting as liberals negates your point

>double nigger

You don't sound like an edgy teenager at all

>i like to find problems to my solutions

I could scarcely have asked for a better Freudian slip

You mean back when your governments were an order of magnitude more conservative than ours? And we didn't genocide the Native Americans, this is a meme

You don't have a counterargument

Hopefully you didn't write all that out just now, not realizing that changing like 6 words would produce an identical anti-liberal argument

Liberals policies are what rob us of societal cohesion. Diversity breeds mistrust. Google "Robert Putnam diversity", he's a Harvard researcher who proved my point.

They don't have to pose a literal existential threat to our lives in order to pose a literal existential threat to our societies

Underrated post tb.h

These guys know whats up

Ayn Rand is edgy teen shit and once you grow up you'll realize that

if OP failed the low-IQ test, does it mean he HAS high IQ?

I'm not either over anything, I think it's better to analyze each situation and make decisions later instead of knee-jerk "i'm this". You'd say I'm left however as I do believe a robust social welfare system to compensate for having a "liquid" workforce.

It means you should grow up. Anarcho-anything is extremely juvenile.

he didn't make an argument nigger, he just pointed out that the government has the power to do that thing you say that nobody has the power to do

No, conservatism is absolutely ethically unjustifiable in classist societies, whose social institutions are non-democratic and oppressive. Conservatism seeks to maintain the power relations that enrich the ruling class at the expense of the populace; this is disgustingly, and ABSOLUTELY ethically unjustifiable.

So wrong. Modern day liberalism is the opposite of libertarianism when it comes to public policy and fiscal policy. There are some similarities in the social arena

dont like it? go to a remote island and build your own roads, hospital, power source, etc. if you're going to enjoy the benefits of living in a constructed society you damn well better be ready to contribute to it. typical anti-tax-tea-party retard

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This is me. Am I a liberal to you people?

Sadly this is the correct answer. We have been successfully divided and conquered.
Elections are simply about which politician we can stomach the most (or most ignorant of their flaws)

Damn straight. One world, one leader, one law. none of that international bullshit and country hopping to escape punishment

22 or so
Pretty big late bloomer here

Propaganda to get the public to turn over all that power to the govt. Good i swear, what is the govt worship all about with libs these days?

I said authority, not ability

>Lazy answer derived from being overwhelmed by the complexity of society
No, really, I find zero interest in humanity's petty political squabbling and the simplicity of their contentions. Humanity is also still too primitive to understand morality properly, so your senseless arguments are equally vapid.

INTP as well, what a coincidence.

I'm more to the left and a closer to the green/red line but we probably agree on a lot more than we disagree on.

I would say you are more libertarian left. Welcome comrade. Here is your gun and your share of the company you work for. If you need anything, just ask.

A liberal is anyone who advocates liberty or freedom.

Libertarians seek to maximise the freedom of choice in society, free from the constrains of authority, or government. They advocate freedom of trade through laissez-faire economics.

They are liberals.

Yeah but liberals don't.
See Obama
See govt red tape
See govt regulation

They do everything they can to damper the free market

If you can tell me a believable way that fundamental muslims would be able to bring about Sharia law, then maybe I'll be worried

>Exactly. Living in a cooperative, compassionate society increases our psychosocial integration and thus our psychological/emotional well-being (i.e., happiness). Conservative politics, which condone the maintenance of our current social order, which is a highly fragmented one, robs us of our humanity and potential for happiness. Such politics are ethically justifiable and must be immediately, and indefinitely eradicated.

You sound like some sort of book nigger or something. Get the fuck back to tuskeegee.

joke's on you, you can't prove your claim hehexd

>You mean back when your governments were an order of magnitude more conservative than ours?

And what about Trump advocating ethnic cleansing today?

Hahaha

#709 here, wasn't a Freudian slip. Whenever I hear someone tell me "this is it, this is how it is", it's never how it is. I think it's better to find problems with solutions.

By societal infiltration

I consider myself right winged, but have to admit this is kinda true.
Pic very related.

Robbing someone and then using the money to "benefit" them is a poor excuse.

I could easily just pay to use private roadways, dipshit.

"It is a privilege to be robbed end masse by government, and to have them build things that we could easily build ourselves"

Anyway, no, I'm not leaving the US. I'll just help my anarchist friends kick the government out. Don't like it? Go live somewhere else.

Same.

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>Conservatism seeks to maintain the power relations that enrich the ruling class at the expense of the populace; this is disgustingly, and ABSOLUTELY ethically unjustifiable.

Sure, why not. But you just have to try and enlighten conservatives to this understanding. Forcing them only leads of a police state.

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I made a negative claim

Tldr Taxation is Theft

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I smell coffee, and, behold.
He brews.

See

>at the cost of the populace
How. Also, is there no benefit to the populace?

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I remember the guilty feeling of thinking that not everyone is equal. Not guilty anymore tho.

You just assumed that I didn't read Marx without no evidence of it, that's why everything you're saying is so stupid because you had to made up that who you were arguing to was culturally inferior to you.
Anyway, your own image should be obvious to show you why liberalism has nothing to do with socialism, Hitler was a socialist.
>inb4 read more faggot
Thing of a good argument or don't reply cunt.

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If you really believe all that is propaganda then you might as well go sit with the flat-earthers and moon-hoax people

The funny part is that all the international corporations have pretty much gotten to that point. They'll hire people anywhere in the world as long it's cheap, and sell shit anywhere as long as there's people willing to buy. They don't have any country alleigances

pretty much!

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>12... it was my older brother's

how old were you faggot op when you grew out of labeling yourself?

Ok so why are the liberals in this country trying to suppress liberty ay every turn?

>Taxation is Theft

Name a more childish political belief than this.

Protip: You can't.

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Ok I do whatever you say spidey.
Here have some of that loli you love so much before I leave.

>I learned from my social justice class what conservativism is and never bothered to leave my echo chamber
>muh soggy knees
>muh systems of power
>muh not knowing the difference between authoritarian and conservatism
>communist societies never make unjust ethical choices about keeping the elites in power

Seriously kid, here's a protip, if you hate power and authority, it means you lean libertarian, not liberal. The left has tricked you to believe that the political spectrum is left or right, good or evil. But guess what? It's not. It's a complex network of ideas and there is no right and wrong, the only dangerous people lie at the extremes, and every alignment is needed at some point for some country to protect, defend, expand, or better the state.

Your welcome.

So somehow they'll be able to slowly convince everyone that they're culture is better then ours, when they're the ones that are pissed that western culture has spread to the middle east

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>Liberals policies are what rob us of societal cohesion.
This is absolutely untrue. And more to the point, liberalism isn't reducible to governmental policies; it is a sociopolitical leaning. This means that, not only policies, but other macro cultural factors (e.g., institutions, cultural concepts, cultural artifacts) can be colored by liberal thought and thus serve to form a cohesive rather than a fragmented society.

>Diversity breeds mistrust.
Sure, in societies where conservative cultural concepts relating to race, ethnicity, etc. enjoy hegemonic dominance.

Psychology is cultural. A hypothetical society where conservative, bigoted ideals hold no sociopolitical power could potentially form, and such a society would not breed distrust in the slightest.

>Google "Robert Putnam diversity", he's a Harvard researcher who proved my point.
The problem with your point is most likely due to an error of conceiving of human psychology as being biologically determined. Biological determinism, though obviously false, today enjoys dominance over alternative, more verisimilitudinous conceptions, and its telos is to bolster conservative power relations at the cost of the populace.

You need to abandon conservatism. It is a cancer, and it is good for NO ONE.

Yes, I agree with you, and just because the Nazis happened doesn't mean conservatism / nationalism must be discarded forever. The decadence of Rome leading to its downfall is a better example

Go tell Chad that might doesn't make right when he's railing your oneitis. Tell him all about how the strong are actually the weak and vice versa.

If they have 6 kids each while whites adopt an African and buy a dog, they'll be the majority of the population in 100 years and vote for Sharia law

Is Trump advocating ethnic cleansing? Or are liberals just trying to paint the deportation of illegal immigrants as such in order to invoke the spectre of fascism to convince people that disagreeing with them is morally wrong?

"Be practical, don't try and change things when you don't really know how they work" - Hunter-Gatherer A observing Hunter-Gatherer B planting seeds

Leveling the playing field
Everyone is equal
$15 MINIMUM WAGE
SHALL I CONTINUE??

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No. They'll slowly become policy makers.
See London

It's childish to denounce stealing?

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Because if you approach it forcibly then people are going to feel threatened, and then they won't be receptive to your message, no matter what you try. And they you're going to have to deal with these people who just about will never see your way of thinking.

No, better to talk and persuade and wait. We've already come very, very far and it's only a matter of time before further advancement as we mature as a species.

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>Have you not played this video game that shows that an Objectivist society fell because the leader betrayed the very principles that he built the society on?
You've literally debunked yourself. His people turned against him because he began exercising force against his own people (murdering smugglers, cutting off trade) - an authoritarian act, in an otherwise libertarian society.

>throwing the product box away

I hate people doing this

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About 18 or 19 years old, and today I am 27. I am slightly ashamed to have voted liberal in my first election, though I don't think that Obama was terrible - Hillary will be on a whole other level should she win this election.

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This is why the right is fucking stupid -_-

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Because stupid Americans don't understand that liberalism≠the left wing.

They also don't really understand what the left wing is generally, and because they have such an incredible hard on for small government, anyone who is slightly less right wing than everyone else gets called a socialist.

It isn't stealing, retard. It's the cost of civilization. Also you literally agree to it in writing when you fill out hiring paperwork for your job. If you have one of those.

Yes i read Nudge by Cass Sunstein. I know how communism slowly infects society. There will always be a large portion of us that will never agree. That will never comply

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bkase aim neggir

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I was a far left liberal up until around a year or so ago. I got fed up with the absolute hypocrisy and nonsense coming from the left and decided to distance myself from it. I did my own research, looked into facts and realized it was pretty much one big lie the left seem to be proud of.

I'm not sure where I land on the political scale, but I am absolutely not a liberal any more.

after liberalism i degenerated into libertarian socialism, cause that teen edgelord phase and ANARCHY. then stopped giving a fuck for a little bit. after a while i found out about the european migrant crisis and the evils of mudslimes, and was re-educated at Cred Forums.

Well liberalism is synonymous with left wing. It's not that we're stupid. It's how it is here. Fuck off eurocuck

>Is Trump advocating ethnic cleansing?

Yes, he is.

How

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>if you hate power and authority, it means you lean libertarian, not liberal.
I never claimed I hate power and authority. Learn to read. Libertarianism allows for free market economics, which, due to its effects on society, is unacceptable. I'm not a libertarian.

And I'm not a kid, you fucking moron.

>The left has tricked you to believe that the political spectrum is left or right, good or evil.
This is actually the case. In classist societies such as ours, conservatism is ethically unjustifiable. Liberalism seeks to emancipate humanity from oppressive social structures. This makes it a force of good.

>only dangerous people lie at the extremes
This is untrue. Radical liberals are not dangerous.

>Your welcome.
>Your
You're a fucking moron.

I can't wait until you get fed up with right wing bullshit too and distance yourself from both insane asylums

Fun thing is that you know that almost 60% of people equating liberals with libertarians are fat.

40% of Americans are fat.
50% of people in Cred Forums are fat.

>REALITY
>CHECK
>FAT
>NIGGER

Well good, communism is a fundamentally flawed system. But that doesn't mean that all left wing ideologies are.

And yeah, that was a little bit autistic mate.

It's not theft. It's the tariff you pay for kicks in a decent society. It helps keep people out of the poverty trap. And strictly speaking, any progressive tax you could avoid by simply not taking a job that pays more than the minimum tax level. By taking a higher paying job, you're accepting taxation that comes with it.

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>It isn't stealing, retard. It's the cost of civilization.

This is the reification fallacy. Society is not an actual object with it's own unique cost. A road has a cost, a TV has a cost, etc.

It's weird how the market can provide so much, but not the technological marvel that are roads, or security.

>Also you literally agree to it in writing when you fill out hiring paperwork for your job. If you have one of those.

"Agree or you go to jail"

If I could get a job without agreeing to it, I would.

Not even a Randroid, but you niggas misrepresenting the "Man's duty to himself is his only moral imperative" aspect of Objectivism.

The idea is that man's duty is to maximize his own happiness to further his own existence through voluntary cooperation and trade with others. This applies to all people - live for your own sake; give to others and share what makes you happy for your own happiness.
This doesn't mean that giving to others is immoral; it means that living solely for the sake of others, at your own expense, is irrational and self-destructive.

>when you grew out
you sound like my Grandpa

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No it is not synonymous with the left. Liberalism can be used in right wing ideologies as well. Maybe if you knew what liberalism is in place of talking out your ass

Even when Hunter B plants the seeds in sand, and insists it needs blood to grow? Go ahead and expound on your righteousness with silly one liners though.

How does stealing from me help poor people?

>just because the Nazis happened doesn't mean conservatism / nationalism must be discarded forever.
This is true, in that that isn't the reason why they must be discarded forever. The reason they must be discarded forever is that they're ethically unjustifiable and a crime against humanity.

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being this retarded, If you can see how bias he media is do not vote, do not procreate and please suck start a shotgun

At some point rational analysis is just mental masturbation and you need to just make a decision. Voltaire wrote 50 years of extremely clever and well thought out letters explaining why he thought what he did; the Revolution started when someone took 5 seconds to make the decision to pick up a gun and march to the Tuileries

Yes, hierarchies are unjust, let's destroy the hierarchies. This has worked out every time it's been tried and it's definitely not the case that the power hierarchy-sized hole left open when the ebil conservashits have all been lined up against the wall isn't just immediately filled by another almost identical power hierarchy

What if the leader of that system is a tyrant? Or, imagine this, what if power is corrupting and such a system would always produce tyrants?

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>Well liberalism is synonymous with left wing

Yeah, amongst stupid Americans.

It's as if everyone in the UK started calling cars bicycles.

No, they are different things that's why they have different names.

Tariff=tax=taking money by force=theft

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Where are you getting your definitions, if not from out of your ass?

Well i guess I'm just a stupid American. Enjoy your impending caliphate, cuck.

>free market effects on society
>higher standard of living
>higher average income
>freedom to make your own choices of who to buy from and sell to

Yikes, sure sounds unacceptable

The $15 minimum wage is pretty stupid. You can barely live off that, and certainly not support the ridiculous health insurance taxes.

It's the 21st century. We've gone from 80% of the population working farms to provide food, down to 2%. Anyone who thinks you should need to work more than 40 hours a week to provide for your family is just living on a different planet.