What happens when you vote trump

>A 65% estate tax is feasible?
What do you have against it?

All of these were forced by bernie. She was for 15 an hour, then went back to 12. She wont tax wallstreet, she was the one who bailed them out. She is for fracking everywhere which would be against climate change. She does have experience but its mostly negative.

Its a 15% increase. Just to spend on adding to the military complex.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=HXZQpXir4HA

So what? Clinton has agreed to them.

You're not going to vote for her because they weren't her ideas originally? That's really worth having Trump win?
>She is for fracking everywhere
bullshit
>mostly negative experience
which doesn't even make sense
never mind it's also probably bullshit

god you're a paranoid fuck aren't you?

Meh thats what I expect her to do. Whats the point of taxing more instead why not take from the military fund which is more than the next 12 countries combined.

The Dem and Rep candidates are two sides of the same coin: lust for power. Gary Johnson actually cares about people. People, dig?

>4 posters

kek

Because imposing a higher estate tax sends the message that the rich need to pay their fair share. You knew that was the real reason, right?
Not your tinfoil bullshit?

Gary Johnson is actually an idiot who thinks climate change isn't real, either.

Fracking.

politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/13/bernie-s/does-hillary-clinton-support-fracking/

Mostly negative.
Iraq war, emails, clinton foundation, pay to play, ect,

CTR IS HERE HIDE

There are far more ways to take money from the rich than giving it just to the government. Like more regulations.

are you seriously asking what someone would have against an estate tax? when your parents die and leave you the money they worked all their lives to save up, the government comes in and takes 65% of it just because your parents died That sounds OK to you?

Not banning porn is positive when the alternative is banning porn, her tax plan doesn't require 2.6 billion to magically appear and 1 billion from trade deficits (not how they work)

You mean Global Warming, right? Why did the name get changed again?

Oh right, because it's so inconsistent that it's unprovable. Just like radio-carbon dating.

OP you whiny little bitch. Why don't you tuck you're dick and balls between you're legs and cat walk back into you're safe space. Fucking cuck

That fracking article is from fucking April.

That's not the DNC position now.

>Iraq war, emails, clinton foundation, pay to play,

Clinton apologized for the Iraq War. Name even one Republican or Democrat besides her who's done that. And yes, it's a big deal, admitting you're wrong about something that big.

>emails, clinton foundation, pay to play,

stupid conspiracy theories are stupid

You have zero reason to vote 3rd party. Zero.

Keeping in mind, that money has ALREADY been taxed

Protip: they're still rich after you tax or regulate them.

>Not banning porn is positive
No, its really since you shouldn't be comparing them to each other and look at them by themselves.

>Just like radio-carbon dating.

Truth is a bothersome little bugger, innit?

...

Tell that to the other guy

>not the DNC position now
but it will change back as soon as she gets elected. To deny that would be to have your head buried so far up your own sphincter that you haven't seen daylight in months.

The tax is for estates worth more than a billion dollars you fucking faggots

>emails, clinton foundation, pay to play,

stupid conspiracy theories are stupid
HAHAHAHA

Despite some of her recent statements, Hillary Clinton can also be seen as long-time supporter of fracking. During her tenure as Secretary of State, her special envoy for international affairs launched the Global Shale Gas Initiative. Since leaving office, she has continued to support fracking while calling for “smart regulations” in speeches and her book Hard Choices.
thefiscaltimes.com/2016/09/13/Climate-Change-Fracking-Heres-Where-Trump-and-Clinton-Stand-Energy

found the Flat-Earther

Stupid poorfag, it is only for amounts over $500k. Get back in your trailer park a fuck your sister.

>but it will change back as soon as she gets elected.

you are one fucking paranoid faggot

and if you are OP, you have yet to prove that Clinton is on par with Trump.

Cred Forums doesnt vote
Cred Forums doesnt even vote

seeDespite some of her recent statements, Hillary Clinton can also be seen as long-time supporter of fracking. During her tenure as Secretary of State, her special envoy for international affairs launched the Global Shale Gas Initiative. Since leaving office, she has continued to support fracking while calling for “smart regulations” in speeches and her book Hard Choices.

Truth hurts, doesn't it? It's been shown that you can take a freshly-cut piece of wood, date it five times, and get a range of times from five hundred years old to five hundred years in the future. That's the definition of inconsistent.

But don't take my word for it. Do your own research, make your own decision.

Not really. Hillary an old school establishment politician. Walking around backwards with her hands out. Donald in new blood. That's the truth that even u have to face.

why does that make it ok?

I'd say not shooting yourself in the foot is positive too.

Faggot, you think the e-mail scandal is valid.

I don't think you're much in the way of credible on whether Clinton supports fracking or not.

You dun gooffed.

shut up

Ooh ooh do one for Clinton!

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA GET A LOAD OF THIS GUY

Meaningless.

They said Obama was going to support clean coal and fire up nuclear reactors, too. And now we have some of the strongest pro-environmental legislation and Supreme Court decisions in recent history.

Voting third party doesn't work in a first-past-the-post voting system. It only hurts the candidate you would otherwise favor, due to the spoiler effect.
You should vote. You should vote the same way Booth and Oswald did.

Oh those poor billionaires. Good thing they have anons like you to carry their water for them.

Kek.

Nope that would still be neutral. Shooting the ground next to your foot would be positive, The gun hasnt even gone off in this scenario.

Any day on those charges served against Clinton, faggot.

Yes her own book is pro fracking so she is anti fracking. Logic

Feel the Johnson

>What is averages
>What is a negligible amount of time compared to the time span that it's used to determine
>What is a time range that scientists actually use because they understand the percentage of error

No, shes clearly above the law.

not saying this as an endorsement of trump, but i don't believe anything that he says and neither does he

A third party vote might as well go to trump anyways

So, you don't believe in fact. You really want to deny the thing that is staring us in the face every day. There is a reason the permafrost in both Canada and Siberia melted for the first time in thousands of years, and why we've continually had the hottest years and months on record. Trying to deny it at this point just seems pointless. It's called Climate Change now instead of Global Warming because while YES the world is increasing in temperature due to the buildup of greenhouse gasses (including methane from natural gas and agriculture), it has affects that go beyond a increase in the ambient air temperature. We see more frequent and powerful storms, for their is more energy trapped in our weather system to create such events. Areas that were once rain forests are now deserts and areas that were once deserts creep ever closer to becoming inhospitable (I know, I live in one). The list goes on man, but please, you're not helping anyone by trying to deny it. I'm normally lurking 24/7 and I think I posted once before this, but I couldn't let this go unchallenged. It's a serious fucking problem.

A neutral candidate is better than a bad one. Hillary is the establishment. Trump is somehow worse than the establishment. I don't live in a swing state so I won't be voting for either candidate, but I'd probably vote for Hillary if I had to.

Yeah well that's still a pretty weak assumption.

Good to know that's the one thing you're hinging your proxy Trump vote on. :^)

Sure thing there Captain Tinfoil

No, A vote for a third part first, shows what polices people actually want. Second, you get to vote for who you want. If you vote for who you think will win, you are wasting your vote. Otherwise, chances are people wont vote. So its a wasted vote anyways. Instead, it gets people to vote who wouldnt have of before.

>spoiler effect
spoiler effect only occurs when 2 of the candidates are similar enough to only attract the same demographic
Johnson is pulling from 3 demographics
>Reps that oppose Trump
>Dems that oppose Hillary
>independents that would otherwise not vote
and he is pulling from the first 2 demographics equally
in polls that he is included in the amount he gets is divided evenly by the number lost by each of Hillary and Trump

tldr: Johnson is not a Teddy or Perot

>Thinks Trump's policy proposals are his ACTUAL policies

Read Art of the Deal, nigga. He goes 110%, only to pull back slightly later on to make it seem like he's made a compromise/concession. He's using the "no tax hikes on the rich" as a ploy for him to get something else done, like perhaps renegotiation on trade deals (he's already let slip that he's open to the idea of raising taxes on the rich). Also, his whole "Build a Wall and make Mexico pay for it". The conversation going on right now isn't about whether or not the wall is going to get built, but how much Mexico is going to put up for it, whether by a direct payment or a indirect payment via tariffs.

Trump phrases the conversation in a win-win scenario for himself.

HAHAHA yes its an assumption from a book she wrote.

And not voting for the lesser of two evils is the better idea

Utterly meaningless.

You're going to hinge your entire decision not to vote for Clinton on hearsay you believe was in Clinton's book.

k

Are you saying any other person would have gotten away with it as well? Do you really think that?

trump will make this country great again, Hillary is a typical Washington crony. Trump has no need to be president, he only wants to fix this country, Hillary has been hungry for it since she was first lady. and she will say ANYTHING to pander. scum. If you want to see real change vote trump, this is your chance to truly implement positive change and end this cycle of Washington politics. Viva Le Trump

Not if I want to vote strategically. Otherwise I'd just vote for myself and that's obviously not a pragmatic solution.

Raising minimum wage just causes inflation, "taxing wall street" uh huh try harder, climate change is an issue now lmao, also dealing with congress isn't hard and her time as Secretary was not a good one

I really think--know, actually-- that you are totally wrapped up in a conspiracy theory you can't prove.

This is not hearsay, only you are saying she is against fracking. Everyone else already knows she is since she says it whenever its brought up. Its never changed.

Who the fuck do you think Clinton is, user? Some Wizard? How powerful do you believe she is?

So you are voting for who you think is going to win?

>stop and frisk is a police state

Lol.

You Hillary shills are laughably desperate, you know that?

Like trump would/could ban porn if he even wanted to. stfu pussy.
You vote hillary you support massive nigger chimpouts. welfare niggers to move right into your neighborhood for free for affirmative action.
same applies with legit terrorists get a free pass, free housing, free healthcare at the expensive of average white people.

oh probably the decades of political favors and the billions of dollars she has made. Whens the last time a billionaire went to jail? The lady who was the ceo of wells fargo sure didnt. And they committed fraud

>Raising minimum wage just causes inflation,
bullshit
>taxing Wall Street
is part of the plan, yes. Try to keep up.
>climate change is an issue now lmao,
yeah it would have been considered earlier if social conservatives stopped loudly denyin git
>also dealing with congress isn't hard
sure faggot--you try it without knowing or having worked with the players
>and her time as Secretary was not a good one
more bullshit

go back to Cred Forums faggot

>If you vote for who you think will win, you are wasting your vote

All the alt-right stoners in WA voting for trump think he's not going to send the DEA in to shut down legal weed. They wrong.

I am voting under the assumption that one of two candidates will win.

Similar to a moment in a boxing match where there are two opportunities: jab or hook, because there is only an opportunity to throw a punch from the left and I am an orthodox fighter. Even if my cross is my strongest punch, it's irrelevant if it won't land.

Ultimately it's irrelevant how I vote because I do not live in a swing state, but if I did, I would probably vote for Hillary. If we had preferential or instant-runoff voting, my voting behavior would be different.

>Everyone else already knows she is
oh great, another bare assertion
>This is not hearsay
yes it is, faggot

post the exact quote from her book that says she "supports fracking" and compare it to statements she's made recently.

Protip: you can't.

Drop the point.

>oh probably the decades of political favors and the billions of dollars she has made.

The Clintons are not billionaires. You are a retard.

LOL, Obama expanded police state by leaps and bounds. Democrats are the bane of this country.

>Obama expanded police state by leaps and bounds.

prove it

BOO HOO I OLNLY GET 700 MILLION FROM MY DEAD DADDY.

Wake the fuck up faggot.

>Read Art of the Deal
You do know he didn't actually write that book, right?

Prove she doesnt.

R U FUKKING KIDDING MEEEE

drop the point faggot

He hasn't actually done anything, ever. Paying someone to do something isn't the same as doing something. How the fags voting for him don't see that I will never understand.

>You should vote the same way Booth and Oswald did.

get out of my country

Any other person and we would never have heard about it.

You are the one claiming she is against it, her book shouldnt matter since heres a video
youtube.com/watch?v=0josatIL_Oo

Now its your turn.

It is amazing, when you stack up what Trump has done against what the right wing noise machine claims Hillary has done, Trump definitely has the real baggage.

Not in your cuntry

No fuck you faggot. I asked you to specifically quote the passage in the book and compare it with recent statements and you

post a youtube video.

Hope you're not OP.

obviously
enjoy your thug logic

$hillary clinton

>ITT
>fanatics at work
>internet argue culture

Dude get you're head out of a book and read between the lines. Look at the past 8 years the people Hillary has done business and outcomes of her choices overall. Instead of debating on very specific points.

Do you think her brand new book that came out two days ago is fucking online? Dumb fucking ass. Yes that video is of her saying so.

implying you know how much must his own contributions are to the charity since he founded it.. like did you even conceive it to be more like him taking back money he gave?

Never mind the fact she made money off middle eastern wars while SoS. Or the fact she has profiteered off of crises like the Haiti earthquake and sold US Uranium to Russia.

Show specific examples of your claims or shut the fuck up.

He didn't even write his own book that he's so proud of

But none of that happened. None of it.

Let's just sum up our exchange, OP.

The only reason you don't want to vote for Clinton is because of something you heard about in one of her books.

How is your argument in any way credible?

Now now, we don't live in a tyranny. They're allowed to be belligerent and make mistakes.

You mean Breitbart's not a source?
Baww.

Yeah, she's a peice of shit and doesn't deserve presidency, but she's better than the alternative. Johnson would be the best case scenario, but we all know that ain't happening.

No that was a article stating that someone says she is continuing to promote fracking. The book has almost nothing to do with it, the focus should not be on the book. It should be on her political plans.

So liberal jealousy basically? No better reason than someone else is making more than you?

Why not claim welfare at this rate?

Fucking whiny lb.

>banning porn
Confirmed for uniformed voter. Just don't vote if you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Dubz bitch, I ain't gotta prove shit.

>huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/10/obama-police-militarization_n_3566478.html

>NDAA

>use of drones against citizens of the US.

>Unprecedented militarization of police forces.

Put the weed down bitch.

Johnson thinks climate change isn't real, so no.

Not "best case scenario."

Gary Johnson wants to ignore climate change because the sun will destroy the Earth one day

kek

motherjones.com/environment/2016/09/gary-johnson-climate-change

>muh liberal jealousy
>muh republican unconditional love

riasing minimum wage - businesses will adjust prices to the wage theyre being forced to pay
tax wall street - businesses will raise prices to makr their profit margins high enough to support the tax as well as pay their own taxes and earn investors a profit. FDI is what built this country in recent decades, point being if you artificially inflate people will recognize and adjust. they wont sit here and play by the old system and drown like you retards that are pro these things.. jesus fucking christ

Oh I'm sorry, 110 million.

>Clinton foundation :2 BILLION dollars/

He also... isn't the brightest or most informed individual either.

He's a bit of a deer-in-the-headlights guy. His VP is probably more qualified than he is... he did most of the speaking when they got their 15 minutes of fame.

The only immediate good outcome that could probably arise, is that for once, a third party managed to get a candidate to presidency.

But it fucking did.

% that goes to charity 9%

Trump has said Iraq was a mistake. He said it was a mistake before we even went to war. Go fuck yourself.
>That fracking article is from fucking April.
So Hillary is flip flopping like the kike she is. Just lost my vote again.
>emails, clinton foundation, pay to play,
Oh no they might find out. Just call them conspiracy theorists.
>conspiracy theorists
>bad
You know this is Cred Forums right shill?

>but it did user it did

If you still didn't have your head up your ass, you would know that one of Clinton's top goals is to install half a billion solar panels by the end of her first term.

also note the complete absence of the term "fracking" on this page

hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

It's best case because the two party system is killing America and getting a third-party candidate in office would change the political system entirely. He could believe in Scientology and I'd choose him over Hillary and Trump

haha keep carrying that water faggot

Trump is gonna make you RICH, isn't he?

Here's another one. These are things that happened while she was Secretary of state

The woman with a shit ton of political connections and backers who many rich billionaires are betting she will become the most powerful person in this world.
Yup, not very powerful just running for the leader position of the strongest nation in the world.

>The email scandals are conspiracy's
>The DNC chair didnt resign because of them

So you're just going to ignore the high-profile anti-porn pledge the GOP signed last summer?

k

It's always been climate change. People who were against it called it Global Warming

>bullshit
You can't just say something is bullshit and not say why.
>inb4 daily liberal talking points.

sorry you can't actually carry your end in a discussion

>a man who siphons money from his tax deductible charity fund to pay his legal fees.

YOU PREFER A GREEDY CUNT THAT USES A CHARITY TO TAKE BRIBES FROM MUSLIM DICTATORS THAT FUNDED 9/11

>You encourage a police state

$HILLARY WAS A PIONEER IN INTERNET CENSORSHIP. SHE WANTED TO BAN VIDEO GAMES. WE'RE GOING TO END UP LIKE EURO CUCKS WHERE THE POLICE ARREST US FOR SAYING NIGGER.

>hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/
>Reduce American oil consumption by a third through cleaner fuels and more efficient cars, boilers, ships, and trucks.
Yeah that sure looks like anti fracking. Nothing on that page says shes against fracking.

>/www.huffingtonpost.com/
lol

You mean Obama had to step up actual anti-terror protocols because Bush fucked up shit so bad?

Say it ain't so faggot.

Because the government needs tax money, why not tax the richest individuals who can afford it?

Good for her supporting these moderate muslims. They just want freedom to practice their religion.

You have absolutely no proof that minimum wage increases cause inflation.

Stop lying faggot.

>inb4 anyone's talking points
>for readers like you

>but she's better than the alternative

Shes really not

Of the two major candidates the only one to speak out against institutional corruption is

Trump

Who took a shit on Political Correctness?

Trump

Who spoke out against globalism?

Trump

And whats the argument against him? Hes racist for patching the holes in our immigration? As an immigrant I dont buy it because I know that its gonna bite my third gen children in the ass in the form of taxation if something is not done. This country spends about a billion a minute. An $86m wall isnt impossible like libs say and it does wonders for Israel.

Im not saying hes an altar boy but liberals were crying that hes just as bad as Hillary since the beginning of the election. Theyre still saying the same shit after all of Hillarys corruption was exposed. Its either he was bad as her then or hes bad as her now. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

Shes treasonous and invests against American interests. She should be hung and made an example out of.

When they say "It would be something dealt with in an administrative manner" and they had not worked for the State Department for years, then yes I do think so.

Actually no, you tried to push that lie in the last thread.

Drop that shit.

Why do you think Trump is part of the grand party when the they have been bashing him this entire time. Even right now they are still bashing him. He's more like an independent that cheated the two party system.

Republicans actually believe it'll trickle down to them.

hahahahahahhahahahahahahahah huffpoyou can't be serious. It mightas well be called, alwaysoffendedfeministandsjw.oppressed

She also wants stricter gun control
>inb4 muh common sense
There is no such thing.

The Democrats have already shown they only like that policy when they can use it as a taking point while shutting down anyone actually implementing it. The Wall Street billions fund Democrats.

>Trump has said Iraq was a mistake. He said it was a mistake before we even went to war

"There is no evidence that we could find, however, that he spoke against the war before it started, although we did find he expressed early concerns about the cost and direction of the war a few months after it started."

factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/

>flip flopping like the kike she is
wow such impressive debate skills

lol

57% of the money spent on taxes goes to the military. The US military is larger than the next 12 countries combined. The rich should be regulated, not taxed since the money just goes right back into their pockets. Shit look how much is given to xcel for free.

>btfo conspiracy fag
>calls other posters shills

kek

I dont think climate change is worth talking about in the political spectrum. As much as there are crooked oil companies there are crooked scientists that milk government grant money. I dont trust the research. Especially when the two nations pushing it (US, Israel) would stand to benefit from weakening oil and destabilizing the middle east further.

>the government needs tax money
Not really. Not nearly as much as they are taking already.
Our founding fathers were mad at 10% tax rates. Here i am sitting on a 40% income tax and more. Fuck yourself. When will the government ever not need more tax money?

Ok dude look she let isis spread and kill half the Iraq army that we trained and funded. Then helped fight a secret war in Syria that killed thousands and displaced a fucking huge wave on our nato allies. She helped destabilize Libya. Hell she let her husband glaze doughnut some bitch and didn't even break up with him. You fucking fiery little turd.

she is wall streets candidate, Goldman Sachs paid her tons for speeches and all the Wall Street billionaires support her

not really proof or a dealbreaker

worst case scenario Clinton will cave rightfully to environmental activism and the Republicans will be the ones pushing fracking.

Your arguments are weak, and you should be voting for Clinton.

GO BACK HOME TO CNN FAGGOT

>I am blinded by my status as a self-perceived misfit
>I am unable to take criticism or accept criticism of my favorite position/s
>I am a violent, arbitrary person
>I do not understand debt or national spending
>I refuse to acknowledge any other honest, integral arguments that won't come from this thread alone
>Trump is no saint
>But it doesn't matter that people for Hillary say the same thing about Hillary

>Nobody is going to change my mind
>Because I'm right
>And you're all faggots

Oh, cool. You know, you could replace the last few pieces of your post with Trump and Hillary swapped, and it would still have the same effect and have some modicum of truth to it. Remember, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

No saying "bullshit" is to force the hand of the person making the comment to prove it.

Because it would if globalist jews stopped outsourcing their production
>muh everything will be more expensive
But more people will have more money. The only reason you would be against this is if you are already wealthy and enjoy the low prices so you can stay wealthy.

If you're in a state that's for sure going red or blue anyway, then vote third party. Third parties need to get 5% of the popular vote so in the following election, they get easier access to the ballots in all states, federal election funds, and easier entry into the debates. Basically, we become a three party nation at that point. Ross Perot is the only candidate that has ever done it, and it didn't count because he was an independent. It's hard to do, and they made it hard to they can protect the two-party system.

It's not about winning, but whatever the fuck, you don't have to vote libertarian, just pick a third-party. Jesus Christ guys this is not brain fucking surgery

>Your arguments are weak, and you should be voting for Clinton.
Sir, you havent gotten one point across. Not a single point. You continue to move the field goals back when I prove you wrong, but you vote for who you want.

>Who took a shit on Political Correctness?
not everyone is a faggot raging from his mom's basement, user

js

>Global Warming
Lol nice try you retarded faggot.
nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

so we're all already doomed right? al gore said earth would already be uninhabitable due to being too hot by now

Who sued the onion and bill mahar for satire?
Trump
Hes a SJW for the alt right. Spreading fear tactics and nationalism behind bigotry.

There are no good candidates, so I'm going to support the one who supports my right to own guns. Since, you know, THAT right is really the one that bolsters all the other ones.

so we're all already doomed right? al gore said earth would already be uninhabitable due to being too hot by now, if we're already doomed what can we do about it? can't be reversed?

I know for a fact that he did say it before we went to war but it doesn't even matter because you claimed no GOP ever apologized for the war. You are wrong. Trump did.

VOTE NOW

strawpoll.me/11283026

Al Gore said he invented the Internet.

Every candidate is garbage, but Trump is the least garbage of them. Trump will give us at least 4 more years of the status quo, then maybe the next elections can put someone in office who will actually do some good.

...

They can bash away, they've yet to distance himself from him. They figure they can water down anything that's too corrosive.

As for the anti-porn pledge, that's Pence talking.
He is totally poised to be the next Dick Cheney style VP with more power than they're supposed to have.

the Ceo of walls Fargo is a man named John stumpf not a lady?

I think capitalism is great because you get what you put into your work. You put in effort and have a strong work ethic you get ahead, you fail to produce anything of worth then you fall behind with the rest of the bums complaining about "muh wealth inequality".

Sic semper tyrannis, bootlicker.

idk,,, this says otherwise

guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2014/311/580/2014-311580204-0c3ee98d-9.pdf

>Our founding fathers were mad at 10% tax rates.
The founding fathers also didn't owe trillions of dollars to the rest of the world.

Whos the lady that got let go and took a few million as severance then?

>I dont think climate change is worth talking about in the political spectrum.

You'd be in the minority. Scientists are telling us we need to address it now, or we're fucked.

>I dont trust the research.

Too bad. It's valid. And there are already measurable effects. like the Northwest Passage.

The theory that wealth trickles down has never, and will never, be proven because it's simply not how it works. The rich don't pay anyone any higher wages because of tax breaks. The rich don't create jobs because of it either. It's a failed ideology pushed by the corporations in charge of our politicians.

What other tidbits of titillating information did you learn over at Breitbart?

kek

Your arguments are weak
Your hands are sweaty
Getting ready to vote for Clinton already

She wants your vote but she's nervous, on the surface she looks calm and ready to drop bombs

holy shit the results

strawpoll.me/11283026

You mean the war hillary voted for that caused this debt?

I could not find a single argument amongst your pile of ad-hominems. Maybe you need to learn how a debate works?

>strawpoll.me/11283026
Holy shit! 15 people total!

So you think political correctness is good?

its about as good as calling someone a conspiracy theorist to end discussion.
Shills aren't real guys.

youtube.com/watch?v=JgNcnXsGUx8

thejidf.org/

appliedmemeticsllc.com/

correctrecord.org/

I have your addresses too from that one leak. If only you lived close to me.

yea and he got a Nobel prize for his work on global warming.........

ISIS detected.
Nigger i read bbc world news and ktvu fox 2 bitch. Whatever Breitbart is keep it to yourself.

Alt-right is a boogeyman term made this election to slant anyone whos anti-Hillary.

What is an example of something thats politically correct or not. One of both please.

>Trickle down economics doesn't work?
>B-but muh republican gods said I'd get rich if they got rich!
>It couldn't possibly have been a lie so they could get rich
>Must be the jews fucking everything up again
>Fucking jews

Seriously?

no one at Wells Fargo as far as I know, only female CEOs I can think of in the media recently are from mylan and theranos

Burden of proof is on you. You are the first one to bring it up and in a positive light.

Or people who are like alex jones, gleen beck, and rush limbaugh.

>strawpoll.me/11283026

half of b don't vote anyways. they're fucking edgy 14yo millenials who are only here for trap porn and gore

Does your version of Capitalism still work when those bums stratify those who earn their keep? Does your version of Capitalism punish those born into wealth? Does your version of Capitalism reward those who are born into dirt?

I don't remember every possible person with a penchant for being gifted/skilled at something succeeding at life.

People often just straight up die. Sometimes, of no fault of their own. The system isn't perfect.

I'm... not having a debate with you. I'm criticizing you. And there aren't only ad-hominems- there are barely any ad-hominems.
>misfit
>violent
>arbitrary
That's about it. It's telling how you responded, because you didn't address the criticisms- which are both valid and made valid by your reply.

You guys are completely man-handling the entire argument thing- it's a joke now. It's probably no fault of your own, but nevertheless, you're looking for a fight, where there is none.

Voting for a third party that will never win IS voting for trump. Hilary is a bad option as well, but she's better than trump. Anyone who thinks otherwise, is a faggot.

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Actually I asked you to post the exact quote from Clinton's book about her support of fracking, and then compare that to recent comments she's made about it.

You balked.

I then showed you where Clinton plans on pushing solar energy. You ignored this.

It was also pointed out to you that the term "fracking" did not appear on the page.

I'm not seeing a strong argument out of you, and you really need to concede the point.

No. There is definitely still something that we can do about it. And that's why we need to act. Just because there are a few supporters who exaggerate the affects, and/or were misinformed because it was in the early stages of understanding where there was only so much to go off of, does not mean you can discredit the entire argument. And honestly it's really not an argument anymore.

We can do a number of things about it. Obviously, the first and foremost item is moving away from fossil fuels. This includes natural gas for methane is significantly more potent of a green house gas than CO2. Obviously there will be times when we still need fossil fuels to cover what renewables can't, so we invest in Carbon Capture Technology (CCT). And on days where we produce excess energy for the grid, we divert it to plants to make hydrogen for hydrogen powered cars. They still perform like gas and diesel. We also need to consider what we eat and accept that meat is going to cost a premium for the resources that it requires to make. The math doesn't add up and we're realizing that we can no longer produce meat at the rate that we do. Not to mention animal agriculture is a significant source of methane and greenhouse gas emissions. Cow farts are no joke man. But I can go on if you're curious.

>the rich don't create jobs
Who employes you? A homeless guy?
>it doesn't work because I said so
Its been proven time and time again. Every single capitalist system in the history of man.

No, he actually didn't. He said he helped push legislation to make it possible, which is true.

WOW start arguing anytime.

see

No it isn't.

The other person made the claim that means they have to prove it.

>the joke
>10,000km
>your head

There's an argument?

The rich create jobs, the rich just don't create more jobs because of tax breaks.

Affirmative action and sucking niggers dicks after they fuck your wife is a example of politically correct. Apologizing to muslims when they shoot your people is politically correct.

Solar energy is for fucking pussies nuclear is the only solution. If you didn't have the liberal dick up you're ass you would already known that.

It's not 10000 km, it's just half the page

You havent given an argument. Your only reason for posting was to say that she wasnt pro fracking. Its over, you lost. The book has nothing to to with her standing points. Nothing. There is no point of continuing to walk around like a pigeon thinking you won when you shit on the board and knock over all the pieces.

Sorry faggot the link I posted says there is literally no proof of that.

have you seen those cars that run on only air? I saw it on shark tank once, they don't seem safe yet but cool idea

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You again? You are fucking brainwashed kohai.
nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/ozone-history.html

>I was told I would get rich from trickle economics
What are you retarded?
Trickle down economics isn't even real. Its a made up buzzword leftists use to denounce capitalism in general. Look i understand you don't like capitalism just don't pretend you do.

Lftr reactors>currently used nuclear power. Shit should be funded.

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Electric cars aren't bad either, user. To say otherwise is to buy into a meme.

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Literally the entire point of increasing minimum wage is to increase inflation. Are you retarded. Inflation is not always bad though. You are mentally challenged if you think circulating more money isn't going to create inflation.

Um, no. You made a claim that Clinton said in her book that she was pro-fracking.

I have yet to have your confirmation of this.
You can't prove it.

>You havent given an argument.

Yes I have. I said Clinton is pushing to install half a billion solar panels by the end of her term, and posted the link. What more do you want?

>There is no point of continuing to walk around like a pigeon

You were asked to provide SPECIFIC proof of your claim. And now that you can't, you're crying about it.

We're done. You're an idiot for helping the Trump Campaign via 3rd party.

>Banishment to death

I want to vote third party, but its a dumb risk because Trump might actually win.

found the Edgemeister

What is that supposed to mean? Why would you expect a argument when you gave none.

So you cant even name anything besides speculation. Yeah we sure needed to stop that mean old political correctness. You guys sound like complete tools when you say this. Political correctness is a term for "Dont argue against my opinions with facts. " it seems and "Stop yelling at me when I say nigger." We have the first amendment, there was no political correctness. People have been saying whatever they want in this country for as long as its been formed. Besides causing chaos of course, like saying fire in a theater.

Of course it takes somebody of at least moderate wealth to employ somebody. But no employer ever says "Wow, I just got this big tax cut and now I have more money than ever! I'm going to give all my employees a raise and hire a few more."
They say "Wow, I just got this big tax cut and now I have more money than ever! I'm going to get a boat! I've always wanted a boat."

>I said Clinton is pushing to install half a billion solar panels by the end of her term
Oh boy even less jobs! I hope she does this through my taxpayer dollars too!

Whats funny is I strictly remember being taught climate change in college and we were shown pictures of Californian lakes drying up. What the textbooks didnt show us was that they were man made dams and reservoirs. I was learning this in a Floridian Uni that also told us that we would be underwater in 20 years. After all of that climate research looked to me like Scientists were just flinging shit until their claims couldnt be provable or disproven. Secondly there are so many factors that could go into it like plate tectonics. Continents have moved over time and the effects of the northwest passage are actually pretty normal. Third I would prefer to believe the effects of space, radiation and magnetism are far more effective to this planet than cans of hairspray and vehicle exhaust.

Maybe once climate change passes enough scrutiny to become Scientific Law I remain unconvinced.

Electric cars might take a few oilburners off the road, but honestly we need to figure out how to do better mass transit, not make fancy luxury cars for people.

How is that edgy in the least?
Plebbit detected

You have literally no proof that minimum wage increases in the past caused inflation.

Shut up.

*for now I remain

Why can we vote to change our method of choosing a leader .what if 75% of voters dont want to vote in ethier party why cant usa stay free

>It doesn't take jobs to manufacture, install, and upkeep solar panels

I give up you win user. Hillary will be the best president ever I can't wait for isis to become my neighbor.

That assuming he won't treat the presidency as his own personal piggy bank like he does with his charities

right because solar energy is one of the fastest growing industries on the planet
that means less jobs

great reasoning user

> Yes I have. I said Clinton is pushing to install half a billion solar panels by the end of her term, and posted the link. What more do you want?
You said that like 3 posts ago out of the blue. Thats not the original argument or a argument. It wouldn't have even of been brought up if you could prove some how that she is anti fracking. Which is the whole point of the conversation. Not some book she wrote, I gave other evidence without needing to source the book. Its unnecessary to source the book since she hasnt changed her points sine the video.

To both of you,

Hydrogen powered cars are actually significantly more reliable than electric and compare to their fossil fuel counterparts. They are real, and they work. The problem is cost, for they're not in demand.

Your article is about the Ozone layer and how humanity put a hole in it through the use of CFC's (something Trump wants to allow again). This isn't an issue of climate change persay, it's more of an issues of keeping us from all getting skin cancer due to the depletion of O3 or Ozone. If anything, it proves that swift action can yield positive results.

If you don't belive me you can look at Shell"s (yes the Oil/Gas company) website on how this is a problem, what we can do about it, and why it's important. shell.com/sustainability.html

It's beyond me how people went from "Climate Change (or Global Warming) is a hoax" to "Well, there's nothing we can do about it now".

nobody cares about your purity test fam

Climate change is real and Obama was the first President to finally get the balls to admit it.

I don't have to prove it.

You made the claim, and you failed to present proof of it as asked a shit-ton of times.

I said we're done.

lol vote third party? Jill Stein isn't even credible and Gary Johnson is a statist. Johnson is now beginning to flip flop on his positions just like Trump and Shillary so this now makes him equally as bad. And Bill Weld, dear lord help us from that moron.

It seemed you were implying people were raging faggots for being against potical correctness. I thought it would stand to reason that you were for it.

I agree, I was just trying to mention even more alternatives that may not be your first thought, and to demonstrate the diversity that is already present in the green technologies industry.

I'm a mechanical engineer with a focus on sustainability in energy, transportation, and infrastructure, so I'd love to answer any questions.

forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2016/09/15/the-oil-and-gas-industry-should-take-mrs-clinton-at-her-word/#1767d18770f7
“I don’t support it [fracking] when any locality or any state is against it, No. 1. I don’t support it when the release of methane or contamination of water is present. I don’t support it — No. 3 — unless we can require that anybody who fracks has to tell us exactly what chemicals they are using. So by the time we get through all of my conditions, I do not think there will be many places in America where fracking will continue to take place"
Sept 15.
Your turn to prove otherwise.

They were idiots 10 years ago and still are. Why the call for a new label now?

It's easy when they are all stupid enough to swallow the shit he's constantly shoveling.

>he thinks trickle down economics means business men are going to be generous.
You don't understand trickle at all.
>globalism ends today
>suddenly rich people have to employ Americans to make their shit
>suddenly rich people are dolling out cash to American people not Chinese people
>Americans are not Chinses and thus will demand higher wages then Chinese slaves
>rich people have to spend more money to make products
>money goes to American workers not Chinese slaves
>working americans as a whole gain more money
>working americans fund other americans jobs with the money they now have
Its really not that complicated. Nobody claimed everybody is going to be a rich millionaire but its a great way to solve unemployment, which realistically isn't good right now.
>inb4 look Obongo created so many part time jobs
Why are you for globalism? Its literally impossible for an economy to work without production.
Service economies are a meme. Have you seen India?

Oh they still are idiots. But the idiots grew into a bunch of idiots. Thats why they got a name.

Most people saying shit about Hilary in this thread are making me kek

>pointing out Hilary's flaws
>completely ignoring what op is pointing out about trump

The sources i linked didn't talk about human interference in either link. It didn't say because we will stop fracking the ozone will close. They simply said that it has started to and will close up by 2050, we can assume they mean naturally. Stop beating around the bush.

Im just saying that its a bull shit ploy. People have always had opposing view point. So why do some people think this is a new age thing?

This presidential election is going to cause massive distrust in government like we've never seen before, no matter the outcome.

Your own link shows that Clinton doesn't have the strong position you claimed she had.

We're done. You are a sore loser and an idiot for supporting a 3rd party candidate when you should be voting for Clinton.

Do not reply to me unless you're willing to concede the point as asked.

VOTE JILL STEIN OR JOHNSON FUCK THE ESTABLISHMENT AND FUCK DOUCHEBAG TRUMP

What the fuck are you talking about. Yes they did. Do you think inflation just happens for no reason? Since the existence of minimum wage its done nothing but inflate. Do you even understand why raising the minimum wage is supposed to be a good thing?
The only reason minimum wage is supposed to be a good thing is inflation. Inflation is not inherently bad you fucking retarded nigger. Even people for minimum wage rises understand that it will increase inflation.

>Climate change is real
Yes, The earth goes through periods of warming and cooling naturally you stupid monkey.

And if you are voting for no one at all remember you have no fucking right to speak here

How much cartel money is behind trump. "mexico will build the wall" uh "cartel owned business from mexico will build the wall and tunnel under it and monopolize illegal immegration and all smuggling." All power goes to the cartels.

Stop replying.

>Anit-fracking
Thats what you said.
Shes not. A strong position on it is not against it.

Im starting to believe that there are some shills on Cred Forums. Or you just have an ego thats the size of trumps and feel you cant be wrong. This shits wrote down on this page, I can quote you.

wow man, thats quite a loss on your part if thats what you have to resort to

Wow I found another Flat-Earther, Alice.

What shall we do with him?

I said stop replying you sore loser

>Im starting to believe that there are some shills on Cred Forums.
YFW you realize half the people your arguing with are getting paid to shit post here.

No it means you are a retard who was asked to prove his point 3 times.

Shut up.

How would republicans know this if the earth is only 6,000 years old?

eliminate the scum

>anyone who disagrees with me is a paid shill

lol

I'm not beating around the bush. Also, fracking isn't responsible for Ozone depletion. It's responsible for climate change. Do not confuse the two. Ozone is what prevents the sun from cooking everything alive through radiation. climate change is the trapping of energy from excessive green house gases.

The reason why it can close is because the world banned CFC's in an Australia. It was understood by all world leaders that radiation is bad.

Let me make this clear, because obviously I didn't. I am not pro-Hillary. This is not a matter of political affiliation or interest. It is a matter of the planet we ALL SHARE. It's really on a macro level.

HAHAHAHA ok man, no skin off my back
>She is for fracking
>bullshit

Give me an instance of bums stratifying workers.

Also why should people be punished for being born into wealth? Do we not wish for our kids and their kids to be better and more prosperous than we were? Being born into wealth isnt a call to be punished because it says nothing about your qualities as a person, not all rich people are spoiled people you see on reality television. On the other hand the millenial gen expected so much and did so little for it. I think thats an instance where they deserved what they got.

People born into dirt can also succeed. I have said before in this thread, my family emigrated to the states without a penny or shoes. Effort DOES go far.

Even if you dont have a penchant you learn from experience. Get marketable skills over time that differentiate you from the rest. Its an effort problem.

And the last is not really a point nor does it have to do with capitalism. If anything I think people with disability deserve some welfare but I dont think career welfare queens that contribute nothing deserve any welfare.

>implying more people will be employed in maintenance then the coal industry.
>implying the wall won't be the biggest government works project imaginable.

different user here but
if you're not "pro-Hillary" then who do you expect is going to lead the country and work with other countries regarding the Paris Accords?
Trump?

You still aren't arguing. Please start any time now.

Programing is one of the fastest growing industries. Guess automation does?

faggot still can't admit he's wrong

enjoy helping the Trump Train

That's the thing. Electric cars don't have to be fancy luxury toys. That's a meme.

Being dead honest. Just think about the difference between a combustion engine whose work force depends on combustion and mechanical energy, which requires the harvesting or synthesizing of said fuel/s, maintenance for many moving parts, a loss of energy due to the nature of combustion (thermal energy), and a very analog way of handling the work force output of the entire vehicle.

What about an electric motor/s that can step-up and step-down their total work force in the form of mechanical energy only (originating from electricity)? And, before you mention batteries- that's also a meme. If you're still not confident about that, go searching for R&D regarding magnesium batteries.

And then think about how many electronics have been integrated into the modern day automobile. An everyday electric vehicle would result in low maintenance, more efficient work force output (which I imagine would suit civilian use greatly), compact nature, zero runtime emissions... seriously. I'd only really imagine that you'd need hydrogen cell systems for powerhouses like construction equipment. The vehicles don't all have to look like roadsters.

You can do mass transit with electricity, too. If anything, it'd be far easier, and potentially more safe, to power a train with electricity than hydrogen fuel cells or conventional combustible fuels.

All in all, however, I think it'd be more easier to breach the consumer market with hydrogen fuel cells than pure electric, simply because of the nature of the former.

Too bad the people who work on the wall won't be paid, like everyone else Trump hires

The only candidate who seems to understand the severity of our actions is Jill Stien. I'm not saying she's perfect either, but she would be the best bet. Trump would single handily kill this planet and everything on it. There is no doubt about that.

She has experience by being fucking beat to shit and pissed on by trey gowdy.

Its because Hillary shills immediately flooded this place before any real discussion could be had.