Which is more evil?

we don't know what communism is like cuz every "communist" state was socialist

>communism never had a chance
It didn't work but it had plenty of chances

Capitalism is like guns or abortion, they were meant to save lives not take them. The reason Capitalism is failing is b/c morality has left america. Look up a man named Charles Cannon. He was the model of Capitalism and may have owned one of the mills from whence the pic came. Kids worked in the old days b/c they had too. There was no birth control until the 60s.How else are you going to feed ten kids? You young people need to learn your history and you wouldn't be so damn ignorant.

Capitalism is not an ideology

Cuba.

China.

If that is your answer that's deep as shit.
If it's not then you can go fuck yourself.
I hope I get to quote you at some point in my life.

North Korea.

Those countries aren't communist, did the workerers seize the means of production?

Comunism for sure. Fucked sistem. Nobody misses it over here. Besides the ones who ruled and abused us. All old folks have tons of gruesome memorues from comunist times. Marxism is evil from lazy selfish jews.

Yes that was my answer. I asked because well, how am i to know where you live?

Fuck you all this shitholes is what marxism can create. Thats the real comunism, not what you dream about.

>doesn't realize that English isn't everyone's first language

It is, depending on the context.

They're both controlled by the Jews so what difference does it make?

you arelike a babby

how is babby formed?

Because there is no communist countries?
But soon..

Communism is most evil, because it doesn't let you even CHOOSE to be good.

you are a moron by the way China has nearly perfected the blend of communism and capitalism (hint: you need a lot of nationalism) and they laugh at your stupid ass

go back to your freshman soc 101 class

Это все СОЦИАЛИСТИЧЕСКИЕ страны.
Besides Korea. It's juche.
And China is more capitalistic than socialistic

The Chinese government is mismanaging their economy. They will soon have an epic Great Depression.

>Its okay to be wrong if its not my first language

>capitalism
>killed and enslaved billions
>communism
>killed and enslaved millions

honestly though capitalism isnt working im even prepared to try out communism at this point

capital

said the random user on Cred Forums. thanks I will wait for the news of that great economics swami

this is very much true. the same however, can be said about most major western economies as well.

soon what.. what kind of prediction is that? are you making a sad attempt at being edgy and mysterious? do you even know where you are? we demand proof of the highest caliber around here, although sometimes it doesn't look like it. but seriously, 'soon' isn't. communism is a failed theory and practice. it had its day and that time is over. china is failing, NK will fall, and cuba will implode. those aren't just my predictions, just read the news and advanced reports from the US security sectors. they're not always right, but on major things, they hit the mark.

so yeah, edgyness doesn't go far here.

RELIGION

Capitalism and communism are two beasts who feed each other by eating each other's shit.

Before this thread derails into a 300 post debate between Capitalism and Communism, I am going to make a few points so that anyone after this post who makes these mistakes will have a point of reference.

1) It is a FACT that Communism has never been implemented. Some countries were governed by a Communist PARTY, but Socialism is the transition period between a competitive market and Communism. This can't be disputed. Anyone who disagrees is uneducated or misinformed.

2) Socialism and Communism are not interchangeable, except in the sense that Communism can fall under the most broad umbrella word of Socialism.

3) The "no one will work under Socialism/Communism" argument was debunked decades ago with the advent of psychology. People want, more than money, three things from their productive labour: Autonomy, Mastery, Purpose. We see this clearly when we see people who make good money hate their job and people who love their job and are considered impoverished.

4) You can still have specialization in Communism. "There won't be any doctors if we can all have desk jobs making the same money" argument has been debunked in practice. In fact, Cuba has one of the highest doctor-to-population ratios in the world BECAUSE the access to that education and training is subsidized.

5) The argument that "no one will want to be a sewer worker or janitor" argument is stupid too. We're already automating many of those jobs. The reason we still have people doing them is because we have too much labour but EVERYONE needs a paycheck. These are quite seriously called "bullshit jobs".

6) The Soviet Union failed, but not because of their Economy. They were one of the first countries to implement paid maternal leave, reached 96% literacy, 100% employment, and had THE MOST STABLE economy the world has ever seen for over 60 years. Stalin killed millions, but he also turned a loose association of agricultural states into an industrial superpower in a matter of decades.

So when the redistrobution of wealth happens, how will you force the rich to comply?

>I'm even prepared to try out communism
you should try a plastic bag over your head

Nigga you retarded? Communism is complete shit, it requires EVERYONE to agree in order to succeed. That is just fucking stupid and you should be ashamed of yourself.

stfu you fucking faggot

(like one of those 8mil trash liners, they do very well under pressure)

oh, shut up.

>>capitalism
>>killed and enslaved billions
Um, no

Can the redistribution of wealth happen without force? If so, by what means of coersion?

Venezuela. Go ahead and Google it, I'll wait.

To continue,

Anyone in this thread that claims Communism failed in practice doesn't know what they're talking about and can safely be ignored. It was never implemented, so it couldn't have failed. The few Socialist states that failed did so mostly because of US intervention. See: Containment Theory and the Domino Effect.

Source: Undergrad in Philosophy and Master's in Economics.

Comunism had a fucking ton of chances, but certain country did sabotage all the leftist governments of south america, then its the very same dipshits from that "certain country" that say that "comunism does not work in theory" like, man, if it didnt work was because of THEM, and thanks to THEM the fucking of a redneck made us a neoliberal country, you were brainwashed to think that capitalism is the only option, maybe comunism isnt the best option but its better than having some millionaire dude getting all the money and the people starving, how can you support getting fucked in the ass?

>Socialism is the transition period between a competitive market and Communism. This can't be disputed. Anyone who disagrees is uneducated or misinformed.

well historically it has meant workers ownership and control over the means of production, not some centralised economy thats supposed to manage the proletariat while it waits for the future communist transition

Communism is moneyless, stateless and classless.

There is no "redistrubution of wealth", because there is no wealth to distribute.

Communism

>source: undergrad
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
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violence or with threats of violence probably

No, it hasn't. That's just the Westerner's layman concept of Socialism now.

Очевидно.

That may not be entirely true

My country is capitalistic since 1991.
Why are you so sure that communism shall not happen? Do you read Marx, Lenin, Trotsky or Engels? Or all your opinion is from your government propaganda?

Most people get one before they go on to get a Master's. Or did you stop reading?

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Socialistic.

>we demand proof of the highest caliber around here
kek

wow. i was trolled. ffs i'm getting rusty at this.

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So water will not need to be distributed to those who may need it? What happens to those who maintain a currency system?

no I think it is fucking hilarious you "source" your own undergrad.. in philosophy. and a master's in econ? lolz how is that working out for you so far?

>itt retards that think communism is a form of government
>retards who've never read the communist manifesto
>retards who don't realize that a true communism has no government or authority but just a bunch of tree huggers exchanging goods and services for other goods and services with an equal share for everyone under no authority but out of the goodness of your heart
Communism is literally the most beta economical ideology there is. Capitalism is survival of the fittest and if you have a problem with that then it means you're a failure

>income tax
>government
I can safely say that if you think this is accurate, then you're a dumbass.

There is no money, state or class in Communism. This is what we would call State Capitalism.

Where are you from, comrade?

Go back to Cred Forums you goddamn faggot and take your spammy thread with you.

>sage goes in all fields
>use your report function

so according to who did socialism imply some totalitarian state that sits and awaits the second coming of christ(sorry, the dissolving of the state) before the russian revolution?

Well.... communism isn't evil, but is a inferior economic system in the long run.
Capitalism is more succesfull, and gemerates a better standard of living... for most. But not all. And true capitalism would fuck over the poor big-time (no free school).

Capitalism = more evil, but also a better system for the majority

I can see college didn't do much for you - or you never went.

what does this have to do with Cred Forums? eat a nigger dick you fucking retarded chimp

Even if you dont like communism, americans should stop sabotaging other countries from going full marx, they should stop acting like the moral police of the world, i mean there is a reason why you gringos are hated by the rest of the world, you know there are other countries besides from yours right?

The US, actually.

This is not the kind of response I was looking for. That said, everyone in this thread is fucking retarded from what I can tell, no one is old enough to remember what socialist/communist/Marxist revolutions look like, and it sounds like they're blind to reading about it too

Neither is humane, neither works.
Alternatives must be found.

>quoting and not motivating shit

okay way to deflect. so you don't have some cushy 65/k salaried position crunching spread sheets to make some jew's pockets a little deeper?

has your philosophy classes told you nothing that philosophy doesn't mean shit but what you are trying to sell along with it..... relative to this thread capitalism and communism are literally two sides of the same shekel.. and you idiots will argue over it regardless

this

that feel when the american empire cumbles and the hundred million or so pissed of brown people over the world will extract their revenge on their former oppressors>>>>

Fuck you commie

Communism.

In theory, communism is pretty good. We're all working together toward a common goal and for the greater good. But we don't live in a theory. We live in a world run by humans. And the foundation of human nature is selfishness. So, you'll never have everyone working toward a common goal. In communism, you'll have everyone working for a common person for the greater good of that particular person. And generally it's people like Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc, etc.

With capitalism, you'll get crushed at some point by people who have more money than you, but at least you'll have something.

Neither provide absolute freedom, as there's no absolute freedom short of anarchy. But if we're talking about "less evil, " I'd go with capitalism over communism every time.

Oh. You're one of those people who thinks that Jews rule the world...

Yeah, I'm done talking to you.

>propagandized capitalists be like

I've seen both and communism sucks 100000000000000000000000 times more

>any practical application of my perfect ideology has mitigated the effect of my perfect ideology which is so great - dont worry about the fact that this inflexibility invalidates any value my perfect ideology holds

Neither, Evil is a judgement made about some activity or another. Economics is a theory applied to civil/political action a function of the social contract. Capitalism and communism are simply different expressions of that economic theory in application.

so you really think the upper class would just let go of their status?

Are Marxist-Leninist or Trotskyst?
I'm from Russia

I found the logician.

jews don't "rule" the world kek.
but the cause more problems than I would like them to. same as muslims same as christians.

>I am done talking to you
later kiddo. you can come back and converse with the adults later

>Neither provide absolute freedom, as there's no absolute freedom short of anarchy

so why not go for anarchy then? since we both admit capitalism and communism both suck ass

youtube.com/watch?v=lDQ7hXMLxGc

Do i need to say more?

>he says while trading (You)'s

how can fuckers deny the amazibg progress that has been made in average folks lives under capitalism/free markets? 150 years ago, us was an agriculture based economy that basically struggled to feed a much smaller population. Today, we have a global digital economy. Even welfare single moms living in the projects buy their kids smart phones and gaming consoles and are able to keep their homes air conditioned. Its fucking amazing progress, fastest in history by far.

no i bet theyd be pretty upset about the whole manner, but theyll have to adapt eventually

Where did you saw communism? ;)

Soshulism

Both are degenerate.

National Socialism is the only answer

youtube.com/watch?v=kzIRG525l6s

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ML.

No, I don't. But the only institution that has more power than money is the government. Get the right people in it and you can, quite literally, change the world. Beyond institutions, the majority have the physical force to back up nearly any movement.

k.

That's not a decent argument.

Communism has never been implemented. If I have you an apple and tell you it's an orange, what is it?

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>K
so you don't have a retort? you deflected because you don't have a job worth bragging about (possibly unemployed kek) to go along with your master's in econ (kek) and your philosophy undergrad

Oh, fight pictures, good...

I was being sarcastic if you couldn't tell. If so, carry on.

no ones denying that, and yes iphones are bloody cheap technoligical miracles. but when wages stagnate and the only things cheap are electronics while house and healthcare prices keep rising somethings obviously amiss

k

No, you're using a liberalized, probably European definition in which failed evolutionary socialism gets to still call itself "socialism". The socialist program in standard Marxist theory is to create the future communist society through socialism, but a society is not socialist until the means of production have been seized from the capitalist ruling class and a revolutionary transition from a capitalist economic substructure to economic democracy has been completed. Mixed-market economies, state capitalisms, and societies in revolutionary transition are not yet socialist even if establishing socialism is their intention.

Well, I'm sitting in my underwear on a new couch in my air conditioned home, watching HBO on my 60" television, eating popcorn and responding to shitposts on Cred Forums.

If we lived in anarchy, I'd probably either be dead or killing someone right now.

Clearly, there are varying levels of "suck ass."

not an argument.

A retort would be for something that deserves a response. Do you have anything to add worth responding to? If so, feel free to post. If what you post isn't worth it, don't expect a response from me.

I was being irreverent. I know you couldnt tell. Have fun evading the criticism

Thats because true communism is impossible to implement.

Communism. The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) likely still celebrates with glee ( I know China isn't really communist) Mao's Cultural Revolution, which destroyed many millions of lives via starvation, lynching, and cannibalism for some kind of "communist" utopia.

well I asked you a simple question and instead of answering you deflected like a moron. now I don't care what you do with your oversaturated goy degree

Why?

You're entitled to your opinion, but don't espouse it like it's a fact.

Holy shit, I never thought I'd see that quote again

that's like asking why greed exists, user.

>2016
>jew conspiracy theorist
>mfw

Has it been implemented?

So the ten planks of communism aren't true communism? Belief in communism is like beleif in the flat earth. I know no amount of proof to counter arguements will sink in as its held like a religon. Which is one of the planks, turn the state into the people's religon.

Communism is objectively evil, true capitalism does not exist anymore in the united states at least...

I might have it saved but with different (original?) background.
Funny to see it on a bread line pic

>I know China isn't really communist

So your entire point is irrelevant. Apply your reasoning to literally anything else and you'll see how absurd it is. "X is not Y, but the evilness of X implies the evilness of Y".

>100% employment
Hahaha, absolutely pointless to mention if you still have no productivity and no real economy neither. There's no difference between spending the day in a state factory doing nothing but drinking and being an unemployed, lazy-ass prick who strokes his dick all day long at home and watches movies.

Those aren't anyone's "ten planks" of Communism. And by your definition, science is a religion as well.

are you saying that jews are incapable of planning secret plans the same way that muslims and christians plan secret plans?
I don't understand

Okay, sure user.

>didn't pay attention in economics class
Are you retarded?

>ten planks of communism

Oh boy, let's find out what the bourgeoisie are teaching the people about communism now! You should definitely list these.

are you happy with all your thing or do you feel somethings missing?
>If we lived in anarchy, I'd probably either be dead or killing someone right now.
you just described the situation in most countries that capitalist nations have ravaged. anarchy means the absence of domination, not an endless contest for domination(that's capitalism!)

Can a pro communist address this?

no im saying you're a retard for saying shit like "goy" and "shekels"

kys

No, you are claiming that communism is impossible. So, be kind, justify.

lmao roasted

I saved the full green text first time I saw it, lost that computer though

>it's not happening if i close my eyes
enjoy licking your masters boot in a few decades

Fucking member of the bourgeoisie

are you one of those assholes who posts edgy memes about communism and socialism that you obviously dont understand on facebook?

if so pls stop, the only ones not sick of it are your SJW friends who wanna be different

In communism there's not government in the usual sense

people

>produced the largest tank army the world has ever seen to almost single-handedly defeat nazi germany
>no productivity
hurr durr. very unlike the highly productive capitalist post-industrialist economies who dont even produce thing, only shuffle around others people debts, sells services and invests in real estate

are you unsure of what a goy is? it's a general term for a non-jewish folk. are you jewish? if so it doesn't pertain to you.
shekels are israeli currency in case you didn't know.
because greed exists... someone will always want more than their neighbor and thus a true utopia cannot sustain/function.
>but user why does greed exist?
do you think I know that? chalk it up to human nature. there I said it... utopia cannot exist because human's nature does not permit it

Sure, but why?

I've been in these discussions at the sewer tier-level (Cred Forums) and in academia as well.

Here, it's a waste of time. People are poorly informed about anything other than Austrian economics, and even then it's questionable. The West is raised with the assertion that human nature is naturally greedy and evil. People can't see a way around it. And thanks to this is why we have these threads.

but you take no issue with the pro commies in this thread using the term bourgeoisie? typical commie doublethink

Communism is totally contrary to human nature and you know it. Maybe you guys are 'good souls' that look out for your neighbor and are generally benevolent. But people are fucking scumbags for the most part. Communism relies on everybody playing nice together. But people dont play nice with strangers, rather people want to hoard resources. Men want to get ahead so they can attract hotter women and provide for their kids so maybe they have a leg up. So long as there is scarcity, communism is an impossibly.

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At their core, saying "which is more evil" is entirely subjective. Communism wants the people to retain control and everyone to earn their keep based on their ability and their chosen profession, whereas capitalism looks at the value of an individual and either demotes or elevates based on their ability to further their own role. Privatization is probably a double-edged sword, too, because there are industries that are so niche that the barrier for entry is fairly high. On the other hand, if everyone can get into that niche industry without worry of failure, it becomes over-saturated and loses its appeal to future entrepreneurs. Capitalism is also about the individual ambition vs the needs of the collective whole, and while it's great for inspiring people to set themselves apart, it does create a "black hole" in its more successful industries wherein the majority get lost in jobs nobody else wants to do. At least with communism, there is no risk of becoming another number because it's established from day one in your chosen profession how far you'll go.

Both are inherently "evil", but for entirely subjective reasons.

Or socialism according to Lenin

Oh ya...

Please elaborate comrade?
I am more on the side of the left because of my government is neoliberal, they privatized our retirement pensions man , you have any idea what that is?

why are you even here then? To circle jerk?

Now address the criticism

>laissez-fairerepublic
Wow.

The way the leaders tell it, yes they did.

In case you didnt realize, US manufacturing is not dead or even declining. Google it. Its just automated and you have douchebags like Donald Trump railing against the decline of manufacturing when its totally different issues at hand

History's shown that communistic societies are no strangers to violence.

As for me, I believe in balance. Money isn't everything. If I ever feel like something is missing from my life, I'm confident I can go out and get it instead sitting around waiting for some boss man to hand it over.

true communism is impossible
Even if it was possible there would be no incentive to do much, meaning less labor and other resouces.
>master's in economics
What did you learn in that class
>undergrad in philosophy
Mfw

No, I'm here to correct claims that are untrue.

The nature of humans isn't something that is established as a fact anywhere. I'm overseeing to make sure people don't spread misinformation, not to change anyone's mind.

People have brought up a lot more than Austria, and you mentioning your academic participation doesnt impress ordistinguish you from anyone here. Your reading comprehensions sucks as bad as your argument

> someone will always want more than their neighbor
So, what interfere to be more successful than your neighbor? Or you think that in communism all are totally, ABSOLUTELY equal?

topkek

educated user BTFOs uneducated Cred Forums drones as usual

>ITT idiots confusing Stalinist and Maoist communism with true communism.

Actually, i dont know that much about your state but i think its not that good, the people should help itself, i dont hate you people, i really feel bad that you dont see a bigger picture

If it falls into the definition of religon it's religon. Money is the world's biggest religon btw. I absolutely see there is problems with the system that runs the world right now and also recognize there are huge problems with the communist ideologys. Until people fully understand and implement personal sovereignty were all manipulated slaves. Doesn't matter what belief system you subscribe to

>true communism is impossible
Burden of proof is on you

>Even if it was possible there would be no incentive to do much, meaning less labor and other resouces.
If you read my first post, you wouldn't have said this.

>What did you learn in that class
3 years of bullshit, to be honest.

>Mfw
Why? Are we still living in the 90s where people think Philosophy degrees are a joke? There's an argument for every liberal arts degree to be a joke except for Philosophy. So your point is what exactly?

>So, what interfere to be more successful than your neighbor?
I don't understand what you are asking
>Or you think that in communism all are totally, ABSOLUTELY equal?
No I don't think that which is why I told you it was impossible. According to the "marxist utopia" everyone is equal and has all their needs met.

this has never happened, most likely will never happen

samefag

Lenin's 10 planks?

> Stalinist and Maoist communism
Socialism*

So you don't know what Austrian economics is, but you say my reading comprehension sucks.

I mean, come on man.

This is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I dont see how that even refutes my argument. How are people not total assholes to one another? How can you deny that in this world? Murder, violence, war, rape, robbery etc etc are pervasive throughtout the world

About that.....

Not a real thing.

test

The concept of government itself

>History's shown that communistic societies are no strangers to violence.
which societies?

t. somalian nigger

I don't deny that people commit evil acts. The issue is why. Is it in their nature, or is it a product of their socioeconomic environment?

For instance, how can there be theft if there is no such thing as property?

That's not even quite it, it's historical necessity of industrialization and the existence of a proletarian class able to self-govern as a prerequisite to socialism and economic democracy. Russia and China could not become socialist (and definitely not communist) as they were at the time of their revolutions. State capitalism was meant to build them up until they reached the point where socialism would be possible, and they told the people that what they were doing was communism because they wanted them to feel as though the revolution had succeeded. In reality, they chose to have the party govern in the name of the future proletariat that did not yet exist BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THOSE NATIONS AT THE TIME.

Both is shit

damn... memes will help us reach class consciousness

Wrong again

> According to the "marxist utopia" everyone is equal and has all their needs met.
Ahah, no. This is not written there.

True. But Capitalist countries have killed far more people than Communist/Socialist ones.

This is an argument that just boils down to "well he did X" "oh yeah? he did X worse!"

>1848 Karl Heinrich Marx

HAHAHAHAHAHA you mean this? I 100% guarantee that those were thought up by some right-wing think tank in the late 20th century.

Oh, you've found out definitively what human nature is? Why, you've done what geniuses all throughout history have tried to find out in just a couple of decades! Good for you user.

/s

Okay ill ask a different way, because you are still ducking the question you said you would address. If it is true what is said, and the so called communism of the past was not communism, then is it unreasonable to suggest that this exposes an issue with communism that has been repeated multiple times - the fact that its inflexibility renders it incoherent as an ideology to put into practice effectively? Why is corruption somethnĝ that plagues what you comsider to be impure forks of the ideology?

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>Again
>Implying I didn't just open the thread

uhhh

clintonism is the worst by far.

written where? the communist manifesto? have you ever even read it you little fucking twat?

do you know what a UTOPIA MEANS/IMPLIES? do you realize we are speaking in GLITTERING GENERALITIES?
DID YOU KNOW YOU ARE A FUCKING NIGGER FAGGOT
>ahaha no

well fuck...how do I make that red a green screen in ms paint, HALP

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Yep. Right wing think tank

oh look you made a cute little comment that would be better suited for reddit. why don't you take the dick out of your ass and explain human nature to me?

in your own words, if you will

You didn't use this picture correctly.

Capitalism. It brings out the worst in humankind.

Ahah! Memes about communism! Ahaha!

I don't claim to know it.

But you do. What you just posted would be better suited toward yourself.

>projection

Nice meme, but you're forgetting that nowadays those people in your top picture work forty-hour weeks, go home to their families, fire up the grill on Saturdays and go to the amusement park on Sundays.

They don't have any interests in popping champagne bottles or shakin their titties on a yacht.

They're doing pretty good and don't need or want to be used as a springboard for two-faced politicians.

non sequitor and a conjecture. Somebody is getting nervous. Why do you insistant talking about Austrian economics now and not Venezuela?

and yes it gives up everything in return

Without capitalism we would be living with 50's technology and wouldnt even be able to have this conversation right now

citation required

is it wrong?

>which is more evil?
None are inherently evil. It's the implementation that makes it evil. Regretfully communism goes against human nature on a large scale that it requires to be totalitarian one way ore another. But it can work in small communities. Think of monasteries.

>"marxist utopia"

Also, anyone who uses this term is seriously misinformed; Marx explicitly rejects utopian socialism many, many times. The difference between utopian socialism and socialism post-Marx is as stark as the difference between Aristotelian and Newtonian physics.

yes, it is unreasonable. "True" capitalism has never existed. And yet, we still see the success of that ideology today. Communism is not inflexible. It has boundaries, yes, but less than Capitalism if you actually study the two instead of learning from propagandized memes on Cred Forums.

im sure north korea would be happy to recieve you

Lenin didn't write the Communist Manifesto. You are able to read it, I assume?

>What is theft when there is no property?
How about seizing the means of production by force...but thats rediculous, there will always be property. I want my own tooth brush and my own shitter and smart phone and all that shit. I dont see how you can convince people to share personal items like that. Another reason communism is a pipe dream.

Face it, wars (and most violence in general) are fought mostly over controlling scarce resources. There is enough to go around and provide for everyone at a very high standars of living, and there wont be for a very long time. Until we get there, people will not abandon hoarding thier own shit

Venezuela isn't socialist or communist.

>somebody is getting nervous
You're trying too hard. I'm not your usual Cred Forums pro-Communist fare. I'm a published academician. I know what I'm talking about, whether an anonymous person on Cred Forums believes it or not.

It's great for innovation, sure. I just don't think that's the most important consideration.

Do your own research.

Soviet Union, China, Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, etc. etc. millions upon millions have died at the hands of communist leaders. Not to mention that those leaders themselves came into power through violence.

yes user asked a question and I gave him an answer. the best answer there is as far as I am concerned.

so you don't think that my idea of human nature is objective truth? tough titties nigga
>I don't claim to know it
I know you don't. you don't claim to know anything apparently but still feel the need to critique or challenge the opinions of others.
do you know what that makes you? a fucking twat. look it up

If that girl wasn't working at the cotton mill, she'd be starving to death. In a successful capitalist economy, her parents would make enough to take care of her.
In Russia's communist revolution, the famine in the 1920s turned people to cannibalism.
That girl in the cotton mill has it pretty good in comparison.
Cambodia went from radical communism to radical capitalism in the 70s. In capitalist Cambodia, there's child exploitation in many ways, but in communist Cambodia, babies were killed by the communists so that their parents could pick more rice that the communists could trade with china for weapons and tanks.
I'd rather be a child in a sweat shop than be dead.
Communism is more evil.

There is NOT enough to go around

>How about seizing the means of production by force...but thats rediculous, there will always be property.
>mfw he doesn't know the difference between private property and personal possessions

Socialists don't want your toothbrush. "Seizing the means of production" means ending the private control of factories, mines, etc. that are used to produce necessary goods and letting these be controlled democratically by the people.

You are mistaking the prefix 'true' for the natural irreducibility of conceptual ideology in general. You shifted from 'x isnt communism' to 'x isnt true communism'

>I want my own tooth brush and my own shitter and smart phone and all that shit.
This is simple a matter of you not being educated about the topic. Marxists make a clear distinction between Private Property (the means of production - land, factories, mills, rivers) and Personal Property (toothbrushes, bathrooms, cell phones).

The second part is the "muh scarcity argument", which again comes from a misunderstanding of Communist theory.

Sorry cited wrong communist. Karl Marx was the writer of the communist manifesto and detailed the ten planks. The record has been corrected

Yes, I have read this.
I think that you understand not properly meaning of absolute equal.
This means that all we have similar chances to apply for a job you want, to have a home, to get added value to their own, and not give it to his boss.
My English isn't good, I'm sorry.

Yeah, people don't like it when their fragile worldviews start to crack. They fight back violently, irrationally. They make assertions based on their feelings instead of evidence and theory.

so you will takmy factory by force?

Neither communism or capitalism are evil for it is the people who are evil

I didn't shift. I used "true" from the post I replied to. You must be our genius logician.

but you have posited no evidence... no theory. don't you see the irony here? no?

okay

Support this statement with citations from the Communist Manifesto, then. Otherwise get yourself an education so you won't be laughed all the way back to Cred Forums.

>The record has been corrected

Socialists despise Clinton as just another bourgeois state puppet of the capitalist ruling class. I hope you realize this.

No, he didn't, and you believing that Lenin wrote the Manifesto just proves you're talking out of your ass.

The user before me asked how can there be theft when there is no property?

I addressed that pretty fairly, actually

Classic story. Will remember forever.

Something about a unique user who played TF2 and may not be alive anymore.

What if my house starts being a mean of production?
Fuck off communist thugs

Actually, I have. But you don't know it because you haven't studied it. You can't recognize the theory and think that everything I say is opinion. And yet, despite the massive hole in your knowledge pool, you still think you're in a position to make the arguments you're making.

I'll tell you the secret. It's bait u fucking faggots.

Right, so there is property that can be thieved and robbed. Get it?

Not if you recognize the historical inevitability of socialism and help us work towards a better future. If you hire thugs and start shooting at revolutionaries, then I guess they will.

>n-n-not fair

Then give the land your factory is on back to the British crown - you stole it from them in a revolution.

Same Evil in different colours

youtube.com/watch?v=vIrFpeEudLQ&t=0s ,;,

But you failed to understand what socialists mean by "property". You need to understand new ideas and come to terms with them instead of just having knee-jerk reactions based purely on preconceived notions. You are never going to learn anything otherwise.

1980-es. Socialism sunset

Look up this website or the actual document. This is pretty well known

So you can't support the ridiculous claims you've made?

then i have falsely attributed prior posts to you that werent you. sorry. Address the criticism of your confusing the prefix true with the irreducibilty of conceptual ideology

>you haven't studied it
>you can't recognize the theory
>everything I say is opinion ( it is )
>despite the massive hole in your knowledge
>make the arguments you're making
I don't think in the decade I have been on chanz that I have ever met such a faggot this full of himself this far up his own ass.

holy shit balls
you can have the last comment, friend. I am out. dab time

Typical Cred Forums "intellectual". "lolz i found a hole in his argument!!!!!!121 this will destyor him!!"

Think deeper. Muster what little power you can from the hamster wheel between your ears and think. Given what you know about Communist society (no money, free access to things), WHY would ANYONE steal your toothbrush, cell phone, or whatever? Without money and artificial barriers to products and services, WHY would anyone steal? You can't make a profit. You can't keep anything away from society in a meaningful way.

I mean come on, think first.

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>communist countries don't exist because it's a failed ideology.

Then why did you start the thread with this:

>which is more evil?

Since communism can't exist, you should have said "why is capitalism evil"?

You should give making threads more thought. Perhaps looking into finding arguments that oppose ideas of volunteer work for voluntary pay, bartering commodities in exchange of other commodities, individual and business property ownership, and money used as a tool in exchange for goods and services is an inherently evil idea. Asking people why something is evil without giving any reasons why you think it's evil is like asking why are you an asshole. This brings me to my point: why are you a faggot, idiot, and an asshole?

I'm aboriginal Australian, but tell me more about how I stole british land...

>gets rekt
>tries to play it off

This is what happens when you debate out of your league.

Marx wrote it. If you feel like attacking me over the fact I cited the wrong person then corrected that it's fine. It doesn't make the 10 planks any less real

>humankind is all rainbows and unicorns without capitalism
>humans aren't prone to act in self interest without capitalism

KYS

>Socialists despise Clinton as just another bourgeois state puppet of the capitalist ruling class.
Socialist here. Can confirm.

Capitalism because communism started with good intentions.

debating out of one's league
>Cred Forums
that's rich

shut the fuck up dude with your condescending shit. I made a fair point and you just stick your head up your ass.

Holy shit I didn't know abos used computers.

capitalism is definitely more evil, but you cant argue with its efficiency.

Economic systems don't have morals or feelings, so none of them is good or evil, if you're asking which one was more harmful to the world societies, was, obviously, the communism.

FOR THE KHMER ROUGE

to use a product, a form of revenge, a form of social control. Three reasons to steal under your proposed system, straightoff the top ofmy head

In Russia socialism is better than capitalism.

That is absolutely not what I said or meant to imply. At all.

because resources will still be scarce numb nuts! There will be a black market if there is scarcity in any commodity. You dont need banking to barter

Holy shit I didn't know commies were allowed to use computers. Nice deflection, though