THE GREAT DEBATE

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Why do people always pretend Pele was untouchable. He was good, the best once, but people always pretend he was the absolute GOAT ever.
He didn't really have a great footballing mind so how can he even be the GOAT? IMO Cruyff and Di Stefano are both better.

Zidane

>He didn't really have a great footballing mind

Holy fuck the things you read on this shitty board

Google "pele predictions". Guy's a total moron.

Also, 60s football was a joke, Pele was the best of his time but the standard was piss poor.

Pretty sure he was referring to his in-game decision making, not his current role as being the worst pundit in football history

lol what have we here. A moron, who doesn't know shit about football.

Before the '80s, football was way more brutal. Defenders literally broke legs, kicked and hacked, and the refs DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT about it.

Each time he played, Pelé had a big target "KILL ME" on his forehead. Guys tried to give him a career-ending injury each time they went near him. He even quit his NT for a while because of that. And still, he managed to win 3 WC and score a thousand of goals.

50 years from now people will call 10s football a "joke" and nobody will care about Ronaldo or Messi. At least according to your way of thinking.

Being able to hack doesn't mean you're a good defender or that it's hard to score against you. If it did then English pub leagues would have the toughest defences in the world.

A tactically organised defence is much harder to break down than a bunch of fat alcoholics who can't position themselves for shit but are allowed to kick you once in a while.

And they might be right. Your point?

Nobody cares about Ronaldo today, why would they care in 50 years.

Oh, I just saw your flag.

Messi could do what Pele could do plus more

praising losers is why you'll always be neverlands

Pele didn't have access to the best trainers and facilities the game has ever seen. There's a reason why messi will still be elite for another 5 years.

The game was different, just look at the brutality of those 80s games when you get a chance. Messi wouldn't last a minute.

Pele played against amateurs. It's like saying Babe Ruth is the GOAT.

Nuno Gomes is better than Pele ever was. The 1970 Brazil team would be relegated from the PL

Pelé was absolute trash. He played in the MLS lmao

No. Today Messi is protected by the refs and the rules which changed. Pelé wasn't, hard game was the norm then.

Yeah his world cup runs were against amateurs

Fucking retard

so did beckenbauer

Wtf are talking about... every player was pro, since 1930 at least. Soviets even put a lot of State efforts into the game

>irish "soccer" intellectuals

Unless there happens to be someone here that was alive in 1950s Brazil, this debate is pointless.

Football is pro in UK since 1880's

>more successful than anyone ever in his profession
>served in the military
>doesn't smoke
>doesn't drink alcohol
>heterosexual
>overcame unfavourable social conditions
>continues to work in commercials to maintain a high standard of living, deservedly so
>follows the bible ("be fruitful and multiply")
>will live at least 20 more years

that's why people hate him, because Pelé is the perfect role model.
they are jealous, people look at him and despise him because they can never be as good as him, at anything, in any aspect, especially Brazilians who are lazy and envious of others' accomplishments, always trying to diminish them, always trying to undermine people who are close in order to prevent them from leaving them behind in the favela, a metaphorical favela if you wish, that represents mediocrity and unwillingness to improve. The widespread distaste for Pelé is a sign of both his greatness and the people's pettiness. To appreciate that greatness you must abandon your mental favela, and admire people who are not like your failed and sad self. No, he doesn't have autism, no, he's not addicted to drugs, no he isn't a choker, he's the GOAT.

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>hack players and injure them
>legit tactics when no subs are allowed

Oh that's how France lost in 1958 btw (Jonquet PLAYING with a broken leg)

>uses viagra
>he's black

also don't pretend he's the only brazilian football player in history that didn't fuck a tranny. There's nothing wrong with that, but don't say 100% heterosexual.

Follows the bible....kk

Amateur standard of play you fucking autists. Go watch the games. Sunset League stuff

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>hack players and injure them
>legit tactics

Oh, that's how Acregate Lane LC lost the local Pub Cup last Sunday (Andy Banks playing hungover and with a sprained ankle).

That proves that the standard of football is good, right?

You got my point, Michal

>b-but he's totally gay

you're just proving my point. People can't find an actual flaw on Pelé so they just make shit up and plain reject him. Autists, chokers, drug addicts, homosexuals, or plain losers are more identifiable with for the plebs.

SCREENCAPPED

>france
>knowing about the sport

Stick to getting blown up by Muslims m9

>actual talent vs hoofballs and heroballs

Nice one, OP.

How is this even a debate? Pele's remarkable feature was his goalscoring, and Messi broke his record a few years ago.