Antichrist (2009)

I refuse to watch it because I heard there's a crazy scene where the one dude ejaculates blood or some crazy shit

yea. she grabs a piece of wood and hits him as hard as possible in his dick. he passes out then she fucks him and jerks him off until he cums blood

I was hoping the conversation wouldn't focus on the "wow so shocking" factor, but whatever lol, I'd prefer if you all would try and discuss why the controversial imagery was necessary and argue against it being "tryhard" as I mentioned in my initial post.

It's one of the few legitimately 1/10 films in existence

Eh, it's a bit too much on misogynistic side for me.

The penis cumming blood looked really fake, same for the cliterectomy and "hobbling".

They also clashed too much tonally with the rest of the movie, which is pretty much 10/10 aesthetically, you could pretty much take any shot from the movie and it's like a high-art painting. If the gore elements looked more real it would've been better, but especially the "I cum blood" moment just looked like a cheap dildo + ketchup - so I think it would have worked better to show a real cock and to have cut away than to show a fake looking cock.

This is the problem with Von Trier though, he nearly made a masterpiece and fucked it by trying to be too shocking :/

I laughed, I cried, I fapped, I became enlightened, over all it was a 2/10.

"1/10" suggests that the film has no redeeming qualities whatsoever - which is bullshit, Dafoe's performance alone makes the film worth watching.

Care to elaborate? I don't think the symbolism applies to EVERY woman... Von Trier is usually in favour of women in his films so that would be quite a weird route to take in my opinion.

I guess I need to re-watch it again (seen it 3 times already) but I never thought anything looked fake, I guess you're just really specific about special effects? If that's the only problem you have with the film though then that's not too bad, could still be seen as a "masterpiece" in your eyes. I think it's a solid 6 or 7 out of 10, probably a 7, I just need to re-watch it a few more times.

I have to say, I appreciate that you actually watched a movie you initially hated a second, and even third, time. I've always loved it, and it might stil be my favourite movie of Trier's that I've seen, but his movies do always feels pretentious and preachy.

>what was the symbolism exactly in her jerking Dafoe off while unconscious and her cutting off her clit?)
Cutting of her clit is a symbolism for how she deals with her feminine nature and the fact that she can't cope with it and all the stuff about being a mother anymore, she sees her sexual pleasure and appetite as the source of all bad things that happened in the movie, including the death of her baby.
It's her way of grieving, she can't get rid of the pain and neither can she get her son back. She doesn't only fail as a mother but she also fails as a representative of the female gender.
Antichrist is freudian at it's best even though it states that "Freud is dead" because Lars is a meme and can't into irony properly.

Thank you for saying that, it actually feels like we're developing a genuine discussion on this thread (which rarely ever happens when I try to start a thread like this - it just ends in talking about some foot fetish or whatever - which is funny at first but not so much when the whole thread revolves around it).

My favourite from Trier is 'Breaking The Waves' - honestly one of the most powerful films I've ever seen, and so clever in its structure, 'Dancer In The Dark' comes at a close second. I don't know about "preachy", but I can definitely see why some people would think his films are a tad "pretentious" - 'Melancholia' definitely evoked that vibe for me.

I did the same thing for Nymphomaniac (! & II) by the way, since I didn't like those two that much the first time around - I made a little video about it if you're interested in hearing my mumbled thoughts: youtube.com/watch?v=GKNdCBwRSGE
(please don't think I'm shilling or whatever - I never post my content on this board).

Kinda surprised that such obvious symbolism flew over my head, feeling kinda dumb now, thank you for explaining though - I guess I was just distracted by the "shock value" of the scene to really dig into its meaning.

Saw it in the cinema when it came out, was thoroughly engrossed, although I did think the fox scene, specifically the part with the dialogue looked puppet-y (and damn it when I get a dog I'm gonna spend all my spare time teaching it to say "chaos reigns")...

yeah, anyway, I actually lol'd in the cinema during the cock/blood scene due to how fake it looked.

Not quite a masterpiece.

>I don't know about "preachy", but I can definitely see why some people would think his films are a tad "pretentious"
What I mean is that there's a lot of stuff where even the characters in the movie will explain 'humans are like this' and whatnot, where the movie will pretty much outright state criticisms of human nature, rather than having it be a theme you need to read into.
I actually found Nymphomaniac to be even more like that, to the point where it kind of annoyed me, even as I guess a 'fan' of Trier. I might give it another watch some, though, and maybe I'll appreciate it more. I'll check out this video of yours and get back to you if I feel like I have anything worth adding.

>and damn it when I get a dog I'm gonna spend all my spare time teaching it to say "chaos reigns"
genuinely kek'd

Damn, I wish I had the chance to see it at the cinema, and yeah I don't think it's a masterpiece either (obviously, only 10/10 films imo I can consider masterpieces) but I thought someone else might think that, and I'd respect that.

>Damn, I wish I had the chance to see it at the cinema
It played at one film festival I know of in my country(and in a bigger city than mine), then I saw it 6+ months after pirating it on the shelves at my local rental store. I've barely seen it anywhere since, except occasionally for $10 among a swarm of other Blu-Rays.

Alright, thanks man. Yeah I definitely agree about the "preachy" aspect being a major flaw in the Nymphomaniac films, even though I kinda enjoyed it... (guilty pleasure?) and thought it sparked some genuinely interesting conversations, but yeah, I can't deny that it felt unnatural most of the time. However, I never really found this aspect to be as distracting or blatant in his other films.

The only time I really went out of my way to see a film at the cinema was when I went to see 'The Neon Demon' - drove like 3 hours with my friend to another city just to catch the last screening at midnight.

I'm tempted to get Antichrist on Blu-Ray but the UK release looks ugly and the writing is inverted (and the design differs from all my other Artificial Eye Blu-Rays) so it triggers my OCD. I'm fine with my DVD of it for now, the quality doesn't seem to be bad.

Von Trier is a proponent of Brecht. It's supposed to be artificial or stagey, because it's more about the message he's trying to say.

Dogville is great, definitely made me think a little about drama/theatre studies and its influence (I hated those classes, though, fuck college).

I'll be back in like 30 minutes everyone, so apologies for the lack of replies for that time - I need to get some breakfast (I didn't expect people to engage as much in this thread though, so that's a pleasant surprise).

Are there more movies like this that have an eerie and frightening atmosphere? I don't remember much of the movie but i remember that feeling and it's rare to see it done well

So... is this film against or in favor of misogyny?
I've watched it two times but I still can't figure out what it's trying to say

Yeah, while it constantly bugs me that characters are always explaining human nature, or even outright explaining what the other character they're speaking to is doing, it's still somewhat true about people in general. So many characters in his films have moments where they act like psychiatrists, saying "you only say that because you want X" or whatever, but I expect that from his films and it doesn't pull me out of the film too much.

I just finished watching your video and, despite the production qualities obviously being indicative of early work, it was fairly well presented. I'll check out some more of your videos at some point too, if I manage to get around to it.
I'd recommend recording closer to a reasonably decent microphone(maybe even what you used for that video would work) to cut down on reverb. It sounds like the whole video was recorded with you in front of the camera, and a few feet away from the mic', so recording closer up at a lower volume would mean it's more of your voice and less echo off the walls.

you're a fucking idiot if you think a pro misogynist movie would get distribution.

this isn't adult swim.

Dude you seem really excited. But nobody cares.

And you don't have to tag yourself as the OP.

I care. I don't see enough discussion about Trier without the thread being full of people who outright hate him. It's cool to see a thread without people discussing flaws and qualities at the same time.

>without people discussing flaws and qualities at the same time.
Fuck, I mean with, not without. I reworked my sentence and didn't proof read, my bad.

Holy shit. Kill yourself.

>explain
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>kek
>replying to literally every reply

>replying to literally every reply
He made the thread and every single one of those posts he replied to were responding to his OP. Of course he replied to them.

>explain
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Yes, such worthwhile discussion.

Yeah, god forbid he ask someone to tell him more about their opinion. What he really should've done is call them a faggot and tell them to fuck off for not thinking the same things he does.

>expecting people on Cred Forums to actually explain their opinion.
xD

>ACTUALLY asking for an explanation of an opinion based on a movie which you should be able to see yourself.

Gee, it's like you want to not be a pleb or something.

Alright everyone, I'm back, sorry for taking longer than I expected (I have a busy life).

In terms of what I've seen semi-recently, I'd say The Witch and Inland Empire evoke a pretty damn eerie atmosphere very well imo.

Thanks for watching and the nice words, man. I appreciate the feedback a lot too, even though I'm completely aware of the audio being pretty bad (I wanted to buy a better microphone but none of the more decent ones are compatible with my camera). I did try to improve my audio a bit by doing a few things differently and I think it's working better now (see my review for 'The Neon Demon' - I think there is a subtle difference, but it is better... or is it just me?).

Going back to Von Trier's films though, yeah, I guess it's just in his style - as I said before, it doesn't bother me in his other films and it works in his favour in Nymphomaniac in terms of communicating his message.

>"I don't care so therefore no one else cares"
...whatever you say, asshole.

Thank you! I feel exactly the same, whenever there's a genuine discussion on some film on this board it feels so refreshing - especially when it's centred around one of my favourite directors. So I'm glad you appreciate this thread buddy.

You're a fucking idiot... did you even read anything in this thread? I ask some people to elaborate when their statements are somewhat blunt and they intrigue me.

Exactly, those type of people are what make this board so cancerous sometimes... it's like all they can do is either meme, insult each other or discuss their fucking fetishes. God forbid someone actually initiates a discussion about a film, right?

Just fuck off you idiot, go call normal people "plebs" on some other thread so that you can feel a little bit better about your pathetic existence.

Hopefully some of you guys come back to this thread, because it feels nice to have a calm discussion with some genuinely smart people that aren't complete fucking idiots like these:

I'm still here, but half tipsy, almost falling asleep, lying in bed, and checking Twitter on my phone. I haven't really had anything else worth adding anyway.

Dang, it's only 16:57 here in the UK (no I'm not a britbong) but I get ya, I'm always staying up 'til like 5 am every night because it's one of the few times where I actually have some time for myself.

Yeah, it's 4am here and I have to be up at 9 to get ready for work. I get distracted by too much stuff every night.

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Damn man, I actually know the feels, thankfully I'm moving back to Poland so I can quit being a wagecuck for a fat Britbong at Iceland.

IIRC there's a "misogynism expert" credited.

Whoops.

>he re-watched antichrist
now why would you do that?
lars only made this movie because he wanted to a) annoy people with the "shocking" stuff in it, so they would talk about him and the movie b) get his pretentious fans to say "oh my gawd so deep dude bro its quintessential von trier"...
only thing that was good in it is the opening scenes. i don't get why people like it, when you don't find the edgy scenes that cool its a medicore horror with a confused story.
for me this film represents lars von trier's decline from a truly good film director to a pretentious pop star, or whatever he wants to be these days... its not as bad ans nymphomaniac but only because its shorter and doesn't want to say that much, so can't fail that horribly

Bumping a quality thread on Cred Forums. Hope this sort of thing continues into /film/ :^)

I watched Antichrist as a lover of horror movies, and in that regard it's totally excellent. It's visually more stylish than typical genre-fare and makes the old trope of a cabin in the woods LOOK different than it usually does. The actors are top notch. The film builds up tension in a smooth crescendo. The climax of the film has some of the most inventive and memorable gore in any movie. One of my favorites. 9.5/10

I still haven't seen Breaking the Waves but it's next on my Trier list. Loved Melancholia and Idioterne the most, but other than Dogville and Epidemic I liked all the movies I've seen by him.

Anyone here seen The Five Obstructions?

He's pretty much disowned everything he did before breaking and the idiots.

I know Von Trier is provocative as hell but I don't think the sole purpose of his films is to "annoy" people, he has more integrity than that as an artist and filmmaker.

Thanks buddy! Means a lot (whether you're being ironic or not, but I doubt it judging by the rest of your post). Breaking The Waves is my absolute favourite by Von Trier as I've mentioned a few times in this thread, it's an undeniable masterpiece in my eyes. I've got The Five Obstructions and The Idiots on DVD but I haven't seen it yet buddy (I'll continue my post in a sec, be right back - sorry).

(continuing my last post)

So you didn't like Dogville? What didn't you like about it? I thought it was pretty damn great and unique in its presentation - the writing proved to be great because I was so compelled by the story and the characters that I completely forgot about the stage/invisible props and theatrical aesthetic of the film.

That's because Willem Dafoe's penis was literally too big and Lars feared that the audience would freak out.

Learn how to use spoiler tags, newfag

Then you are a pleb.

OP here, thanks for contributing, but I'll be going now. I have some cocks to suck.

Is Lars Von Trier a hidden kinographer

What I took away from Antichrist is that nature is not some lovely place that's tranquil and harmonious like everyone paints it as nowadays. I think von Trier wanted to show that nature is brutal and unforgiving-- a place where 'chaos reigns'. We tend to forget about how animals and plants are designed to kill one another and to survive in a constant state of kill-or-be-killed.

So many missed the point of this flick. Nature isn't evil. It was about how perception changes. She went to the woods to write criticism on idea that women and nature are innately evil and ended up believing it. He went there with her and ended up doing the same thing.

The film isn't misogynistic. Rather the opposite. It's about the audacity of men and their attempts to "fix" things--the witch trials and in this case, He and his obviously mentally ill wife.

Are you new to life or something? Because you seem to know jack shit about filmmaking if you only just now heard of Lars Von Trier

>Implying
I'm Danish

you obviously haven't watched Melancholia. of course he is.

I'm sorry to hear that. :^)

why

>Dogville
I enjoy the visuals of his films so the deconstructive nature of the set, while a nice metaphor and inventive idea, bored the heck out of me. But the main thing I disliked about it is I have an autistic hatred of narration in films. The "show don't tell" meme criticism lodged itself in my brain years ago, but I think it's especially applicable to the nature of Dogville.

So he disowned the Europa trilogy and Idioterne? Why?

it wasn't really "him" according to his bff Stellan Skarsgard. he was imitating his idols with Europa and was too in love with style over substance. Idiots was the beginning of his true voice.

he said it in some interview

von trier is a god

Hey OP do you prefer this to Melancholia? Also where do you think Tarkovsky influences the film, or were the ending credits just icing?

kek

I don't think I need to clarify... but I will anyway, obviously this wasn't me.

I think both of these interpretations are interesting AND equally valid - I took away a bit of both at the end of my second viewing.

To each their own I guess (or however that saying goes, I forget honestly). I need to re-watch Dogville though, only seen it once (but I loved it just after that first viewing).

I kinda prefer Melancholia as a whole, re-watched that one a few times too and I think they're equally good films if you look at them critically (so I would say they're both 7/10) but I like Melancholia just a bit more for reasons I can't really explain, perhaps because I understood the main character so well and just found the way in which the "end of the world" scenario is being explored was quite refreshing. Don't bash me but I haven't seen any of Tarkovsky's films yet, I've pre-ordered the Blu-Rays for a few of his films though so I'll get around to watching them soon enough (ye ye I know I'm quite the "pleb" for not having seen any Tarkovsky yet).

Just realised there's another faggot posting with the "OP" tag, or maybe it was this guy again >>>