ITT: Cred Forums Vs. reddit

Cred Forums: DC
reddit: marvel

Why is Saving Private Ryan considered a bad movie here? Genuinely curious. The only argument I ever see being used is that it's a pleb-tier shit pile.

Cred Forums = blacked
reddit = pornhub

Exactly this

Nah, Cred Forums would be Das Boot, if anything else because it's from the side of the Nazi.

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leddit •bernie sanders
4ch •bailey Jay

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wtf i love reddit now

this

and this

both those characters are pleb redditors for holding onto RT ratings

>good vs bad

what a quality thread

>Reddit
Drive
>Cred Forums
Only god forgives

The only reasons it particularly bothers me is because of general historical inaccuracy which is to be expected. It doesn't really represent any moral grey areas. Americans are always being the good guys, not to say that it piles on EBIL NAZI'S or anything. I just hate how they let the German go, and when they find him again at the end of the movie scrawny guy just shoots him even though he is surrendering on his knees with the other guys. Is the German guy a bad guy just for doing his job as a soldier? It's the scrawny faggots fault he sat there crying while he killed his friend. Does't give him justification to just break all moral conduct and rules of war to execute the dude.

Fuck Cred Forums

this is a true meme

That's a good point. Thanks for the honest answer user.

Cred Forums - incendies
reddit - predestination

>reddit

Whatever is popular.

>Cred Forums

Whatever is unpopular.

kys

kek, i love how a pretentious piece of shit can get praised here as long as :

-it got waifu/weird scenes
-Keanu is there

Cred Forums:Chicken Tendies
Reddit: Chicken Nuggers

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I'd say Letters from Iwo Jima is a superior war movie in my opinion.

Only god forgive is one of the worst movies I ever watched

its not a good point its retarded

you should be permad for this thread

Give us your insight user?

THIS

kys

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Cred Forums: Nolan
Reddit: JJ Abrams

only god forgives is one of the best movies i've ever watched

no mistakes

but it really is a good point though

>Cred Forums : reddit kids who invaded Cred Forums: the neon demon, Susidesquad, BvS

the thing is the first movie i watched because of tv spamming and i don't regret it one bit
alos alien > aliens

i hate it for the same reason

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this.

I have never reddited, and I value The Neon Demon as one of the major works of the decade, your theory is thus refuted.

2 years ago as of yesterday- RIP eric.

amidoingitright?

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you know what to do

if you love reddit so much why don't you literally fuck off back there

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kek

I mean he does have a point about /his/ it is a truly awful board.

literally this desu senpai

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finally omeone WHOFUCKCUNGGETINSIT

what are you going to do about it :^)

Does anyone actually enjoy those new Spider-man films for anything other than blonde Emma Stone?

wtf i hate Cred Forums now

Make me :^)

accurate (mechanical) webshooters

Cred Forums: The Pirates Of the Silicon Valley
Reddit: Steve Jobs

ITS THE

>Does anyone actually enjoy those new Spider-man films
I d--
>for anything other than blonde Emma Stone?
No.

Is that Winnie the Pooh on the left? :DD

>watched 2 steve jobs movies in 2 days to see if he was actually cool guy or not
>turns out i wasted my time on 2 shit movies and the result was as expected - he was a faggot

MOOOODDDDSSSS!!!!!

>2 shit movies
theyre good m8

Im sorry mate, one was too long and boring, the other one plain stupid.

Stupid ass

literally me

Cred Forums: Polanski
reddit: A loli

>anything by refn being reddit

Controversial, disgusting and better in every way.

Reddit: Bowling for Columbine
Cred Forums: Triumph of the Will

They're both good so don't get mad

hey there reddit

To be honest I find uphams character arc to be the most relatable

hey there reddit :)

yes

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alien was good, aliens was one of the most disappointing movies I've seen

I know I'm responding to lazy bait, but Cred Forums is a shithole and I expect Reddit is either the same or worse, I really don't get this tribal warfare thing that seems to be going on

>Soldiers don't speak and think like it's shown there.
And?

>aliens was one of the most disappointing movies I've seen

you saw 15 movies in your entire life ?

>Kino
Perfect Blue
>Reddit
The Neon Demon

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i can guarantee that reddit enjoys robocop over ai, go watch your dad movies faggot

>And?
not an argument

>animu

The difference is Cred Forums is edge and Reddit is sanitized edge. Like Trump vs. Bernie

well I have probably seen around that many movies that were hyped to be "good" and ended up being awful, so it's not an inaccurate thing to say. I had hoped it would have been good

yup

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/thread

You guys are making it very difficult for me to decide what I like and don't like

this board doesn't like tfa much

reddit doesn't mean bad all the time

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>implying Cred Forums is edgy

It's pretty tame, well either that or I'm desensitised. I never tell anyone that I browse here, or talk about the internet at all really, but that's just because other folk only hear about pedos and ebin hax. Browsing Cred Forums is just like any other timewasting pursuit.

Refn is the opposite of pretentious. He's a genius.

worst one so far ITT

drive is good but c'mon

Where would you put Forest Gump Cred Forums?
I know you already hate it for being popular and having Tom Hanks in it, but it's always comfy to watch and gives a neutral point of view around certainn american history events.
Even thought you all already know that.

Drive is adequate. Only God Forgives and The Neon Demon are his best films.

Fuck you.

Too mainstream and easy for people to get into and understand to truly be Cred Forums.

I remember everyone here loving Drive.

Cred Forums: Curb your enthusiasm
reddit: Seinfeld

>I identify with a website

Drive is better than 98% of hollywood shit.
Yet it's so inferior in comparison to OGF.

That tells you how kino is OGF.

>I spend my life on a website but I'm just doing it casually. No biggie. I could leave anyday... I think... right guis?

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nice paintjob faggot

IT'S

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No user. you are never on a website. You are looking at your browser which is connected via internet techno cables to the website.

go to bed nick

Well if you wanna get technical then I'm looking at a computer screen on which my browser is active and blah and blah.

But, bullshit appart, how long have you been lurking that website with which you do not identify?

I know, however the fact that it is a known movie and does go straight to the point most times doesn't automatically make it not worth of some credit or not being watchable. At least that is my opinion. Forest Gump is no "kino" or a master piece nontheless i think is good cinemea and deserves more love or atleast recognition. Once more it is just my honest opinion senpai.

>it doesnt represent any moral grey areas
>mentions a moral grey area at the end of the paragraph

Upham shooting an un-armed POW (especially after arguing for the life of the same man) is a moral grey area. Upham has been through battle/hell and is finally able to unferstand why they wanted to kill him at the sniper's nest.

Thay said, I think Fury shows war in a much more realistic way. And the scene with the family and the girl makes it feel like a European war film.

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it's true though

Nice try Nolanfans.com

Good, but not as good as The Young Ones

Jonah hill is not racist or edgy enough.

Appart from that good post.

fg is great but I don't think it constitues as "Cred Forums"

NUTSHACK

eh

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Well, Ellen, Ive been a Cred Forums for nearly 5 months now.

I personally believe (and know) I was born a Cred Forums. But it was hard growing up with a society that only saw me as a reddit.

I first started my trans-formative journey with drug supplements, taking a red pill twice a day after meals. These pills gave me what nature forgot to give me.

Today, as a trans-website 4chanamerican, I am finally comfortable with who I am.

>likes the prequels
>uses "dad movies"
A crossposting underage Cred Forumsfag with shit taste I see

Fuck off

Bottom is more 4channy though

I mean, you can't argue it's pretty.... pretty..... pretty..... pretty good.

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True

is it possible to filter words? Like no posts with the word 'reddit' come up?

What is an edgy place on the Internet?

Cred Forums: Nyjah Huston
reddit: Paul Rodrigues

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bravo, user

Reddit loves No Country...

r/askhistory is fucking awesome, I've had a lot of comments deleted from there because I'm a dumbass. They do a good job of modding.

it's the other way around faggot

the easiest way is click on the URL adress bar of your browser and type" reddit.com" then click enter and all your problems should be fixed.

I wasn't talking about the trilogys as a whole, just those two

>implying reddit watches old movies

Cred Forums = bantz
reddit = wikipedia copypasta

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>Cred Forums = bantz
how new are you

>Old fluck is Cred Forums
>Great chink owner is Reddit
You aren't making any sense.

Reddit doesn't necessarily mean bad. Kubrick, Spielberg and such aren't bad. They're just good starters. Cred Forums level stuff us usually good as well but considered slightly off-kilter for some reason and so it's hard for normies to enjoy.

>bantz

not as new as you

>reddit
Breaking bad
>Cred Forums
Sopranos

>reddit
Mullholand dr
>Cred Forums
Lost highway

>reddit
The fly
>Cred Forums
Videodrome

If you're going the musical route Cred Forums should be Umbrellas of Cherbourg or Threepenny Opera.

You are alk reddit kids who invaded, i've been here since 2009.

Made this one for you.

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Oh, and Reddit should be Mamma Mia or something.

>i know you are but what am i
can I see some ID, please?

>he unironically liked moot

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>putting Kubrick and Spielkike on the same level

You weren't even here when moot owned Cred Forums.

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I was here

Try harder

this is new Cred Forums, where everything pre-capeshit is in the same category.

>3
never, Blackadder best british comedy

>I was here
Sure you were.

Kubrick and Spielberg are more entry-level compared to films with more non-formal camera techniques and dialogues like Eisenstein, Tati and Wilder.

But now you're a smarter man and can freely trash those shitty movies and that hack.

Ive been here since 1999, stop trying to prove something newfag

Deal with it embryo.

both jews

>damage control

Mulholland drive was one of the most boring movies ive seen.

>desperate samefag

don't bother posting screencaps, I don't care

>But steel's heavier than feathers

Gaia online

I thought it was spooky and one of Lynch's better films.

pure kino, litterally our guy.
youtube.com/watch?v=jfectchNtQM

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Kubrick was a Jewish person. Spielberg is full-on kike.

This. Kubrick was o the same level as Bobby Fisher.

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Steven Universe is more Tumblr.

>5 months
I been here 8 years kiddo.

not saying that either are bad directors, but ya got a be a kike to be in the biz

we dont do stuff like that on Cred Forums, reddit has usernames and points and stuff though, check it out

But what if we are doing it all wrong. What if it's not the board that decides the movie but the movie decides the board?

and again wtf are you doing. you're just name-dropping to sound smart. Eisenstein and Wilder are nowhere near each other.

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did you just google random directors

It's not hard.
>Spielberg, Kubrick, Coppola
These directors are good but use really easy and noncontroversial techniques. Your average pleb has heard of these even if they are good. That's Reddit.

>Eisenstein, Tati, Demy, Tarkovsky, Wilder
These use different camera techniques, pacing, and dialogue. The average pleb can not stand more than 5 minutes without shutting these off. I'm not saying they are similar. I'm saying they have in common that they use techniques that the average person would not be able to decipher.

lel this is true

what techniques are you referring to?

Wilder used more complicated dialogue than normies would be used to. Eisenstein used montages in such a way normies wouldn't understand. Thru are used to action montages but one symbolizing the power of the proletariat they wouldn't get. Tati used complex sets and little dialogue that normies wouldn't be interested in. It's many things that add up.

Both of those are pleb shit though

Not everyone can be Refn.

>wouldn't
>understand
This is basically your whole post and then you just threw words like symbolize and proletariat, to make up for your lack of explanation. Can you do a better explanation about what techniques are those you mention?

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>that resolution

I puked

WATCH THE MONTAGE SCENE FROM OCTOBER, YOU STUPID FUCK. COMPARE THE FUCKING PEACOCK SHOTS WITH SOMETHING FROM FUCKING ROCKY. REDDIT = NORMIE STUFF THAT EVERYONE KNOWS IS GOOD. Cred Forums = THINGS THAT ARE OFTEN OVERLOOKED BY THE MASSES FOR THE TECHNIQUES THEY EMPLOY

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bahaha this thread is epic Cred Forumsros fuck redcucks

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wtf Imwithher# now

Cred Forums: The Chase
Reddit: Pointless

>Fury
>Realistic

The climax of that movie was literally video game tier

Cred Forums: Memories of Murder
Reddit: Oldboy

this i can agree on boys

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you just went full pleb.
never go full pleb.

Jewish oscar bait.
Nope.

How do you even get that fat? Seriously, i've been sitting on my ass for over 10 years and when i stepped on the scale in may i decided to lose weight. In the months since i've dropped almost 50 pounds. These cunts are rich as fuck and constantly in front of a camera, how can be so delusional and think "you know what? i look fine. i like my fat fucking gut and triple chin. i feel great!"

correct

actual pleb

underrated post

Literally what

Oldboy is 10 times more pleb than Memories of Murder

The guy they let go and the guy Upham meets later on different guys. I always made this mistake too, I blame the film maker for not making it clearer.

Refn is overwhelmingly redditcore.

oldboy is babby's first east asian cinema

memories of murder is like babby's 6th east asian cinema

memories of murder is an okay movie, nothing special. For some reason it's overated as fuck here.

Oldboy was a classic the moment it came out. The story is great, the visuals and cinematography are great, the music is great. It's just great.

please go be contrarian plebs somewhere else, like, for instance, reddit.

I was comparing South Korean thrillers specifically, not all east asian cinema

If you know a better SK thriller than Memories of Murder I'd love to hear it

check out the count of monte cristo

This

Refn cannot be posessed by either Cred Forums or reddit. He is beyond our petty turf wars.

Accurate.

thanks I will.

This. Would also work perfectly with Alien and Aliens.

It will always be a mystery to me how Aliens is so praised. The xenomorphs are clumsily shot to look rubbery and they definitely suffer from diminishing scariness returns when you show large numbers of them. And the dialogue between the marines is just...christ, it's toe-curlingly cringey, enough to make Anakin Skywalker roll his eyes.

this

Hello guys!

This

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Reddit is full of cucks who didn't like The Neon Demon. I haven't seen anyone praising it there while a lot of people on Cred Forums list it as one of the best of the year

so this thread can be summed up as
reddit: entry point for that given genre
Cred Forums: slightly beyond entry point for that given genre

>being on Cred Forums complaining about how Cred Forums isn't as good as reddit

there's a super easy solution

You do realize anyone actually praising TND is either joking or has awful taste right?

how was it bad? it accomplished everything it set out to do and looked fucking great doing it

+1. you sir just one the interewbs

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>saving private ryan
>bad
kill yourself my man

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Martin Scorsese is the man of Cred Forums VS Brian DePalma is Reddit dude, I suppose...

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raid 2 is shit

pleb

Just once I wish this topic can be genuinely discussed on Cred Forums

Cred Forums: A Clockwork Orange
Reddit: 2001: A Space Odyssey

Trips don't lie. In addition people want le upboats on reddit which is why you don't want to go agaisn't the popular opinion.

It is sad to realize that SPR was probably peak realism in American WW2 movies.

Cred Forums: Refn
Reddit: Kubrick

Hello rebbit!

Kill yourself my dude

>raw honest opinions

>go bak to redit cuck le pleb XD

>reddshit
m.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcx43AmAyY

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Vs Cred Forums
m.youtube.com/watch?v=zY-1Um1Gzzk

What do Redditards think when they see these kind of threads? Do they realize that we aren't joking, and don't want them here?

I mean why would you continue to hang out in a community who vilifies your existence? Why won't they go fucking back?

want a raw opinion?

People like you who lurk a site just to shit on it are the fucking most miserable manifestation of evolution on this planet. You remind me of people irl whose hobby is to complain, 90% of the time.

If your life is so shit just end it. If you don't like this website just fuck off. You won't be missed.

Helium tank is your future anyway, might as well embrace it sooner than later and save us the agony of reading your online complaints.

My man
OUATWW would be a good choice aswell

>What do Redditards think when they see these kind of threads? Do they realize that we aren't joking, and don't want them here?

Actually. Centering a community around things you hate is a giant red flag for everyone. Not just Reddit men. Everyone who values their sanity should leave or die trying.

wow Weisz got old

>it accomplished everything it set out to do and looked fucking great doing it

That's probably some of the most facile criteria for a film being good that I've heard. By that logic, every Transformers movie that cracks $1B is a great film.

Refn's films have been increasingly devoid of meaning in recent years as his focus has gradually shifted to an aesthetic appeal over content. The Neon Demon suffers from the same problem that OGF does, wherein Refn takes on a pretty simplistic issue (In TND it's the capriciousness of beauty and the overemphasis of the physical and aesthetic form in society, which is rather ironic), and then attempts to express this issue using the imagery of the scene.

It fails to work when Refn forgets his subtlety, making the camera focus directly on the object swathed in colour and shadow, than provide an objective viewpoint for the viewer, such as Drive and Bronson did. If you want an example of filmic objectivity done correctly, look at glacially paced films like 2001: A Space Odyssey, In The Mood For Love, The Assassin, Under The Skin. These movies use long takes as moments of reflection, allowing the viewer to develop their own interpretation of the emotions of the characters and scenery. Refn ignores this subtlety, he lobs a ball of glitter and fireworks into your face and then tells you to find the beauty in between the colours. To put it simply, he's become overwhelmed by his 80s aesthetic to the point of obfuscating the meaning of the text, he is making his style the centre of the film, rather than direct the viewer to their own conclusions.

>actually believing this

so edgy and raw xDDD

upboated

style is substance you fucking pleb

The irony is that you're posting this on a thread where everyone is patting themselves on the back for posting circlejerking opinions of Cred Forums-approved favourites.

Cred Forums only exists for unintelligent neckbeards to whine about everything. Kill yourself.

Wow that's a great discussion of film

How do I upmusk

true

only god forgives is an okay movie that I watched.

Cred Forums exists for people to have fun, not for fuckers to complain.

Fucking die.

No, style is a means of convening meaning.

Cinematography or set-design on it's own cannot convey meaning without the films plot providing the viewer with a means for extrapolating that meaning. That's the foundation of editing after all, try watching some Eisenstein and you'll see.

>Refn's films have been increasingly devoid of meaning in recent years as his focus has gradually shifted to an aesthetic appeal over content

Why should there be some great meaning? Does Beethoven's music have some "great meaning"?

>he is making his style the centre of the film

Yes, and that's what makes him great

>rather than direct the viewer to their own conclusions.

This I don't understand. Refn has never made it so there's only one way to look at his films, or that there's only one right interpretation. He certainly didn't do that with TND. He is explicitly not interested in making political/philosophical statements.

No, meaning is there to support style.

Perfect

>17-minute long light show is a noncontroversial technique
>using completely natural light and getting NASA to make you a lens just so you can do it is noncontroversial
>making a film that starts with a rape scene is noncontroversial
>shooting in a real abandoned city about to be demolished rather than making a set is noncontroversial.
Seriously educate yourself before you pretend to be educated.

I hate people like you more than the 'I love le films like pulp fiction and shawshank' redditor types. Eisenstein is literally the first thing you do in film studies and you're acting like he's this super underground inaccessible director. If you actually knew anything about film you'd know that a lot of normies WOULD understand Eisenstein simply because of how influential he was.

I agree with this.

Cred Forums exists for discussion without an identity tied to the posts, which makes it easier for people to shitpost and stay brutally honest

>No Repo man
Good morning, reddit

I agree, and I think that's a way to have fun. Complaining is not.

Reddit loves fucking everything. This whole thread is pointless

>Pointless
It's to trigger cross posting redditors, reinforce the notion that they and their culture aren't welcome here, and to establish what values Cred Forums has apart from "not reddit"

I'd say it's successful at all of that

>closeted redditor: the post

When did you start lurkingv Cred Forums? If you don't mind answering the question.

Threads like this wont change anything. Redditors will still think they are in the right and continue spouting "go back to Cred Forums" every time someone says nigger. They think Cred Forums is Reddit - Shitpost and Meme Edition.

2006

go back to Cred Forums then you fucking bigoted racist fuck

>Why should there be some great meaning? Does Beethoven's music have some "great meaning"?

Obviously this is a false equivalency since Refn is a narrative filmmaker and Beethoven was a composer, but yes, symphonies are usually based around some sort of organizing theme, but I don't really think the two are comparable.

Since you're second point is just something that I think we have to disagree on over a philosophical split over what constitutes a film, I'll slip right to this:

>Refn has never made it so there's only one way to look at his films, or that there's only one right interpretation

That's the problem, Refn is making his aesthetic means of expression dominant over the themes of the narrative, which would be fine if he was just an experimental filmmaker like Vertov, but he's not, he's written a script, hired a cast, and has them say specific lines in a specific order, for a specific purpose. If you don't mind that, then hey, power to you, but it's a failure as far as a work of expressive art.

Try reading some actual film criticism on TND, they can elaborate on this much better than I can

war films are fucking boring

Thanks.

>LAMO DUDE REQUIEM IS SOOO DEEEEP MANNNNN

>Waaaah he bein racist

Go be a cuck somewhere else.

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You don't even understand what "lurk" means in the context of Cred Forums. You are also bitching like a redditor. Sounds like you have to go back buddy.

thank god Hillary will deport you kind

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Fag

>Obviously this is a false equivalency since Refn is a narrative filmmaker

Both have the same goal, to evoke an emotional response in the viewer. I don't see how the narrative needs to have some kind of thesis in order to do that. You can achieve the goal through visuals/audio alone.

>he's written a script, hired a cast, and has them say specific lines in a specific order, for a specific purpose. If you don't mind that, then hey, power to you, but it's a failure as far as a work of expressive art.

A lot of the film was improvised and made up as they went along. I don't know if I'd go as far as to call him experimental, but his way of making films is quite similar to the way a composer composes music. I don't get how he is a failure in expressive art, he seems like he expresses himself through his films better than almost any of his peers.

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'no'

I think you confuse meaning and theme.

Beethoven has themes, for instance his 3rd symphony "Eroica" is reaching for an heroic, valiant, vigorous feeling.
But that doesn't mean that "Eroica" has a meaning. A meaning implies movement within a theme: a starting point, a development of thought and a conclusion. Art and meaning never were co-dependent.

The beginning of art is cave painting of horses and buffalos. Does the painting have meaning? It most certainly has style, it also has a theme (wildlife) but it definitely does not have a "meaning".

The conception that art must have a meaning is yours, and, even though it is shared by many people, it is not universal.

This is particularily what I like about Refn's work. It doesn't have a meaning. It has style, themes, but no meaning. Like the world. It has no clear good and evil, just a meeting of different forces that interract and then separate.

I wish more artists would follow his trend.

My main point, is, don't think your conception of art is universal or more legitimate than another.

>You can achieve the goal through visuals/audio alone.

Can you name a film that's done this successfully?

>trans-website 4chanamerican

Not him but:
Dog Star Man by Stan Brakhage.
youtube.com/watch?v=NAoTHILzheo

The most typical example of kinography, in the non meme sense of the word, meaning an adui-visual long length experience freed from the usual restrictions put on film, namely realism, plot, a timeline, etc.

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The Neon Demon
Possession
Under the Skin
Baraka
Koyaanisqatsi
2001: A Space Odyssey
Come and See

It was good, but Trainspotting was gudder. They are gonna make Trainspotting 2 tho, cant wait.

Can you give me a one-two sentence summary of what you guys are talking about? I cant be fucked following the post trail

You are completely correct. Wilder is definitely a very accessible director, I expect most of his classics anyone could enjoy on the first watch through, even if they hardly watch old films. This guy is the very definition of pretentious.

To be honest I've only seen The Neon Demon, Under the Skin, 2001, and Come and See of this list, but all of those had an underlying central plot, or motivation that gave the audio/visual representations a central meaning to the viewer. They have what you called a 'thesis' to the body of the film, that the aesthetic functions helped express, but did not replace

They come here to feel cool. But in all reality they are severely autistic and can't form there own opinions due to being normal fags.

I'm only here to shitpost so i don't care

style vs substance.

I listed films wherein my emotional responses didn't really come from the characters or the plot, but the audiovisual stimulus. When I watch Come and See I don't need to care about the characters or the plot on a personal level to be affected by the anguish on Flyora's face, or by the soulless eyes of the bloody girl who was just gang-raped. The image is enough to provoke a response.

>L I T E R A L L Y identifying with a website

Welcome to Cred Forums

I guess it can be boiled down to style v substance.

I'm saying that a film can't just rely on it's style alone, that cinematography, visual effects, music, etc., they are all present in a film with the purpose of enhancing the central narrative of the film. Films have a meaning after all, they're not just flashes of images and sound, they're bound by some driving principle that relies on the directors vision to represent through cinematic elements.

The other guy(s) is arguing that that style can replace narrative in a broadly speaking sense, that since a film is meant to evoke an emotion, it can use aesthetic techniques without a central plot and still be considered artistically valid.

Now art is obviously subjective, but we're talking about Refn as a narrative filmmaker, which I think we can all agree that he is. I'm saying that his focus on style that doesn't have a relevance to the expression of meaning in his films has rendered his recent films as nothing more than displays of what he finds beautiful, which to me makes them a failure of narrative filmmaking. These guys are saying that Refn's work is still good since his style is physically pleasing and expresses an emotional response without needing a narrative to bind it together.

Oh wait. I dont care.
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

His films do have a clear narrative though. They are just simple narratives.

>implying Cred Forums watches old movies

>you

This film (or, more precisely, piece of kinography) shows that a long length audio-visual media can rely solely on audio (which is silent here) and visuals to convey emotions and themes:

Dog Star Man by Stan Brakhage.
youtube.com/watch?v=NAoTHILzheo

Refn is at the border between film and kinography. And Gosling, a clear adept of Refn's touch, has crossed the border and released another piece of kinography when he made Lost River (2015).

If you think Refn's narrative quality is underwhelming, you will probably think Lost River is terrible, when, from my point of view, it's a masterpiece.

Have you seen it?

Ah, but your reaction to Come and See does have a direction doesn't it?

You've been on Cred Forums since what, 2006 you said? So I'm sure you're used to countless gore threads, images of rape victims, of head split open, eyes gouged, and organs splattered. But I'd imagine none have really affected you on a deeply cognitive way, they may have made you physically repulsed, but they didn't form an analytically and emotionally charged form of anguish, or how these people were personally impacted.

Whereas in Come and See, you did understand their anguish, you did create an opinion based on the actions of the characters that made your physical reaction to displays of emotion and violence turn into cognitive reactions.

Same thing with 2001: A Space Odyssey. We don't just see monkeys rolling around in the dirt, we see an evolutionary progress directly correlating with the monolith. And that's why the whacky effects are so impactful, because they're underscored by a subtle yet present narrative that we disseminate and form a basis of understanding about what the director is achieving with all the special effects and pretty visuals.

It's not the narratives I have a problem with, it's the means of expression he uses to represent the narrative

And the exact same things apply to Refn's films. They all have a narrative to tie the audiovisual experience into.

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did he die?

Of course they do, but the way he expresses that narrative through the audiovisual experience is flawed, and overly focused on that experience alone rather than the meaning it's meant to convey

the video stops just before he wrecks himself.

Best one

There's not much else to discuss here, this all boils down to the fact that we feel differently about it. I think Refn's focus on the aesthetic experience is just the right amount. I can feel what he felt when deciding to film it that way, all the while enjoying the experience itself.

watch Lost River (2015)

well yeah, i mean if you want to boil things down then yeah, youre just trying to stifle discussion as a medium of conversing filmic ideas. its a little insulting.

I will. Sounds interesting.

There's no way to win this argument because it is ultimately based on feelings we subjectively had. I'm just trying to close the argument because this thread is going to die soon.

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If I catched your taste right, we have the same taste in film, so I think you'll love it.

Don't go for a shitty rip though, I'd 3gb is a minimum for this piece. I got a 4.5 one and it's perfect for a small screen.

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now wait a minute, user. i said discussion. dont twist my words to fit your narrative.

Lessons of Darkness
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Sure, and I think I said this above that it essentially comes down to style vs substance. Obviously we're not going to convince each other to change the way we appreciate film, and that's a good thing because art woudn't be art if it was meant to be objective, but there is something to be said for the fact that Refn's last two films have probably been his most blatantly stylized, and have been his most negatively recieved

>Refn's last two films have probably been his most blatantly stylized, and have been his most negatively recieved

It's been pretty much a 50/50 split between hate and love. Which is what he is aiming for. Getting strong responses from people means it's generating emotion.

PTP should have a good blu-ray rip

I had assumed it was a bad Refn ripoff based on the reviews but now that I think about it, even if it is that it is still worthy of a watch.

Definitely not a Refn rip off, even though there's clearly an influence.

Some critic said that Lost River is "not a film to be experienced, but to be looked at". His review was positive though, exactly because he enjoyed what he was looking at.

I really like this touch, that Refn and Gosling have in common, but I think Gosling even took it to the next level in the sense that his film barely cares about realism and plot, you can analyse it symbolically if you want but I'm not even sure that's the right thing to do.

It's just a pure pleasure of aesthetical contemplation, with memorable scenes that I had honestly never seen before of even immagined would be possible.

I know it sounds corny since it's his debut film as a director, but I'm convinced it's a masterpiece.

Also, just so you know, Gosling used a lot of "experimental" techniques like, for instance, letting random pedestrians in the shots, trying to break whatever status quo was installing itself as soon as possible.

The result doesn't look messy at all, it's extremely profesionnal.

I honestly think he took all the best of Refn and surpassed his master, making him my new favorite direcor out there. Can't wait for his next film.

Sounds swell. If it is as good as you say I can't wait to rub it in everyone's face.

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