How did the Klingons get anywhere? They seem pretty autistic

How did the Klingons get anywhere? They seem pretty autistic.

So were the Vikings.

watching TNG and i've been wondering this too. Not sure if it is explored more in original series or whatever.
yea and where are they now? certainly not in space. How does a war-obsessed culture make that jump?

I guess maybe they started as barbarians, warred with eachother for a while, managed to get through the nuclear age without blowing themselves up, constant warfare pushed them into space to get an edge over enemy factions, then encountered other lifeforms and shifted their focus outward before they glasssed themselves. Still, I rarely see any indication that science is valued anywhere amongst klingons. Every single one of them is an honor-obsessed goon. I guess they are just supposed to be space orcs and we were never supposed to think so hard about it.

As is the case with all great leaps forwards in technology, some Klingon physics nerd invested FTL travel to get laid

I think they were more or less a honor based society ( think China or Japan) who managed peak at the space exploring stage.

Then through encounter of other lifeforms or some major catastrophe , focus shifted more heavily onto a honor-warrior society over anything else in their society.

There was an episode I recall where there's an entire class of Klingon who are scientists

They're like their NEET population

Got any more info? I have always wondered how the fuck they have all that technology when they are all honour based idiots. I get they'd be a force to be reckoned with when they are out in space with technology, but actually getting it seems odd.

For some reason I had the idea in my head that the Ferengi sold it to them.

They are the sexiest race.

The Ferengi bought it from someone. I think the Klingons pilfered it from the Hur'q.

They got warp drive from the Hurq, and they scavenge technology from the races they defeat.

This. They basically beat up the smart nice guys and took their best shit.

From the time of their redesign in TMP on, they were basically Flanderized as a species. In TOS, they were really more like the Cardassians - militarist and expansionist, but not brain-dead brutes.

When Klingons take over a planet they install a governor, kill every last political official, and then enslave all the scientists and laborers. Everyone else can fend for themselves or die for all the Klingons care, so long as they don't leave the planet or fight back.

Their tech is built and maintained by countless off-screen slave-nerds.

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they stole their technology from aliens, the H'urq

There are Klingon scientists, but the Warrior caste is the most prevalent because they're the ones in space dealing with the Federation. we do meet some non-Warrior-caste Klingons though, like Kurak (pictured) from TNG: Suspicions. In DS9: The House of Quark we see Tumek who is an advisor to the House of Kozak and he seems very low-test, he's probably some kind of servant or sage caste, then in that TNG episode where they clone Kahless we see there are monks and holy men, which is probably another caste.

They never did properly explore them though, which I think is a real shame.

Klingon civilians are generally the same as Human civilians, they have regular jobs like trash collector, lawyer, scientist, etc. But they hide them away on the homeworld and/or colony planets while all the Klingons on the starships are warriors and brutes. Since those are all that other species see, they just assume that all Klingons are like that.

>I think the Klingons pilfered it from the Hur'q.
This comes from the game Klingon Academy and isn't considered canon, but it wouldn't surprise me to be honest.

They didn't beat the Hur'q though, the Hur'q invaded and kicked their shit and stole a whole bunch of stuff including the sword of Kahless (which Worf and co. recovered in the DS9 episode of the same name), but the Hur'q sustained losses in the attack, including enough of a warp drive that the Klingon scientists could create their own.

I think the reason a lot of the species in Trek have a high opinion of Hoo-mans' technical prowess is (other than the writers wanking) that most of the species they deal with didn't achieve their societies on their own:

>The Ferengi bought Warp drive
>The Klingons scavenged it
>The Bajorans were excused from needing it because The Cardassians broke the Prime Directive so The Federation could talk to them before they invented it
>The Cardassians built their empire on the backs of the Bajorans and Dominion
>The Dominion probably got their technology from species they conquered too seeing as The Founders don't need technology for space travel and all their scientists are Vorta clones
>The Borg don't invent, they assimilate

yeah but when it came to warp tech.
Vulcan made their own.
Cardassians made their own
Andorians made their own.
plus a bunch of others.

Always figured the reason humans did well was because they have no prejudice at all.

>lawyer
I can't believe I forgot to mention them . Lawyer cast is definitely my favourite because they act just like the warrior caste except dress fancy and only metaphorically kick ass.

Ch'Pok was my favourite, but a Colonel Worf is fine too

>Always figured the reason humans did well was because they have no prejudice at all.
The Vulcans were less prejudiced but they weren't the ones with a reputation for technological skill though

The whole cadence of the series is a mess. but it loves to stroke the human ego for those.

>Vulcan and humans were just discovering teleporters. Somehow Romulans have transporters and cloaking devices.
>flash forward. every other race has caught up to Romulans tech.

Humanity is just so damn flawless in star trek. even when they seem flaws they pull a "our weakness makes us stronger." meanwhile all other races have glaringly obvious character faults.

I definitely understand where you're coming from, there were hints of problems with humanity which were explored quite well, such as their being too idealistic. Section 31 was the best example of this, without them The Federation may well have lost the warm and even before that their leaders were portrayed as ineffectual bureaucrats easily walked over by Starfleet Admirals who were supposed to be under their control.

Eddington and The Maquis were also right in that The Feds handled the Cardassians stupidly, expecting them to act as honourably as they did, and leaving their citizens at the mercy of the Spoonheads, which was ultimately disastrous but they were never depicted as reacting to it at all.

But other than that, yeah, their flaws were trivial things and overshadowed by being moral and right just about every time.

>Humanity is just so damn flawless in star trek. even when they seem flaws they pull a "our weakness makes us stronger." meanwhile all other races have glaringly obvious character faults.

That's because of Roddenberry.

Ultimately, the whole thing is a not so subtle HFY thing.

Everyone else is flawed. Everyone else should want to join the Federation, whose leaders and key people are humans regardless of the fact that there's hundreds of species who are part of it.

Starfleet seems to be human-heavy (on-screen anyway), but every Federation President and most members of the council we see are aliens.

A lot of the problems with representation in the series is due to capitalism, they couldn't justify spending time and money putting extras into makeup just to make the universe seem more real.

>How did the Klingons get anywhere?
The Federation saved them all after the destruction of Praxis (the Khitomer Accords).

>There has been an incident on Praxis, however, everything is under control. We have no need for assistance. Remain outside the neutral zone and obey treaty stipulations. This transmission ends now.

Was this guy a terrible actor or was Chip Chalmers a terrible director?

Vulcans are supposed to have their emotions on a tight leash but in every scene this guy seems to be playing 'barely controlled rage', and Sisko was so Salty at the end. His only other fully directed episode was The Magnificent Ferengi which I think was pretty good, but it was also focused on some really great actors.

Also, people forget the reason why there's so many Klingon warriors around.

Both the Klingon and Romulan empire are on a constant war footing/economy, just so they could keep up with the Federation.

it's one part budget and one part audience relation.

Off screen the federation has a lot of key people who aren't human.

Hey, maybe you shouldn't get your history from movies

How did the Japanese become the first non European nation to industrialize despite being war like?

How did the famously war focused prussians create a german empire that was the intellectual center of the world until the great war?

Authoritarian governments

Right-wing deathsquads when?

i am literally on a Marathon of deep space 9 and just watched this episode.

i would say it is shitty directing and maybe even writing. I would say they struggled with Vulcan in DS9 in general. They came off snide and generally grumpy.

The Ferengi tho. wooooo i think i watch DS9 just for them.

>i am literally on a Marathon of deep space 9 and just watched this episode.
I'm about 2/3rds through it, I'm doing a full marathon and forcing myself not to skip terrible episodes like this one and The Muse to make sure I didn't just get rubbed wrong with them.

>I would say they struggled with Vulcan in DS9 in general. They came off snide and generally grumpy.
True, people have mentioned it before but I think it's definitely the case that after Roddenberry, Vulcans just became Spockians, they all have the same haircut and the same acerbic attitude that Spock only ever had when talking with Bones. Every scene on Vulcan in the TOS movies has loads of variation among them, but in the later series they're all just Spock, with the only variation being some are black.

The best chance they had to develop the Vulcans a bit was that one who was part of The Maquis that bought weapons from Quark and helped capture Dukat, they never explained anything about how she came to join them, or why she was so different from her fellows, and she had loads of screen time to do it in too.

Who is your favourite single-apperance Captain and why isn't it Maxwell?

He inspired loyalty in every member of his crew by honestly caring about them and socialising with them as equals, he was a master in the art of interstellar battle and was completely holding his own against the flagship of the Federation, he fought for the Federation with everything he had, and Picard railroaded him to maintain peace with the traitorous, warmongering spoonheads.

Captain Benjamin "Maximum Spoonhead Casualties" Maxwell was a hero and did nothing wrong.

Do you think he was let out of jail in time for the Dominion War? Do you think they even let him back into Starfleet afterwards? My guess to both would be no.

Because they are really honorable, except when they were dishonorable, which was all the time

They survived an alien invasion to their homeworld before they ever developed FTL technology.

Fighting them off is what made them into the warmongering species they are now. Before that they were pretty okay.

After the war they reverse engineered the alien tech and became a Warp society.

>Fighting them off is what made them into the warmongering species they are now. Before that they were pretty okay.
But all the heroic deeds of Kahless were before the invasion:

And Kahless was a lot more noble than the Klingons the Federation meets.

That does make sense, it also explains how Gowron managed to run roughshot over him during their invasion of Cardassia in DS9.

If you're into reading, a book recently came out about him. "Force and Motion."

>In 2367, Captain Benjamin Maxwell of the starship Phoenix ordered the destruction of a Cardassian warship and a supply vessel, killing more than six hundred crew members. Maxwell believed that the Cardassians were arming for a new attack on the Federation, and though history eventually proved he was probably correct, the Federation had no choice but to court martial and incarcerate him.

>Almost twenty years have passed, and now Maxwell is a free man, working as a maintenance engineer on the private science station Robert Hooke, home to crackpots, fringe researchers, and, possibly, something much darker and deadlier. Maxwell’s former crewmate, Chief Miles O’Brien, and O’Brien’s colleague, Lieutenant Commander Nog, have come for a visit. Unfortunately, history has proven that whenever O’Brien and Nog leave Deep Space 9 together, unpredictable forces are set into motion…

Sounds cool, cheers bro.

I've actually got a pile of Star Trek books but I haven't got around to reading them yet, I'll definitely add that to it.

Who "gold presses" latinum anyway? e.g. When Morn gave quark a bunch of liquid Latinum, what did Quark do with it? How did Morn pay his bar bill with it seeing as he left the bricks in-tact?

The only bank I recall being mentioned is The Bank of Boleus, but in that episode where Miles joins The Orion Syndicate, they rob the bank electronically which suggests they also deal with non-Latinum currencies.